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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 08:07:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Discovery

> get a Disco. We have been through the entire list of 4WDs, from
> Suzukis through Monteros (sp?) and have absolutely fallen for the
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> of requests for comments but folks here over the past couple of seeks,
> but I have not seen many reply comments. Any help would be great.
Well, this is probably not what your after, but I've driven all 4 of 
the main types of Landrovers (88/109, 90/110, Discovery & Range 
Rover). The leaf-sprung have the most charisma, but are the hardest 
to drive with their pretty rigid suspension. The 90/110 are great 
working vehicles, but lack a number of luxury items. The Dicovery is 
a great vehicle but I find the narrow, high body sways uncomfortably 
on the road (this could be just a perception thing -- the 110 is 
supposed to be a working vehicle and can therefor do without 
refinements ;-)  The Range Rover I find the best: It doesn't have the 
bucket seats of the discovery, so it's comfortable to sit in; it's 
wide, so you don't notice the body-roll so much; and it's got most of 
the luxuries the Discovery has. The 'Rovers only down side is it's 
image -- it's a toffs car :-(

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
#======================================================================#
Land Rover: A work-horse that was meant to survive the charge of an
 adult bull rhino and be field-stripped in the jungle with essentially
 a screwdriver and a crescent wrench.

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From: Robert Meredith <robm@hpman010.uksr.hp.com>
Subject: Any info on landies in Aus
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 13:38:10 BST

Hi,

I've got a friend who is going to work near Sydney for a year from the UK. He
has looked into shipping his 1976 109" 2.25l out but he thinks the cost is
prohibitive, about »1400.

What he would like to know is this,

1) The address of any land rover clubs, magazines etc in Australia.

2) The rough price of series IIa's and III'si and their availibilty around
the Sydney ares.

3) Anything else that a landie fan should know before going to Australia.

Cheers,

Rob Meredith.

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From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 15 Aug 94 10:58:43 -0600
Subject: those little models

the other day i was at the local swapmeet and found myself a mint condition 
matchbox series one with the matchbox box, identicle to the one in lrw. what a 
great find!!!! i suppose  the 18.00 seemed a bit much to pay for one little 
model until i got home and double checked the value of the thing against the one 
in the magazine.wow  what a difference the magazine suggested the average price 
for a mint car in the box was worth 25-35 pound!!! hope i can find a couple more

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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 09:14:14 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: clutch plates

> seems to me that someone on LRO is driving a SeriesIII with a 
> series IIA trans. ? I bought such a beast on friday...I could'nt
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> Thanks   David S.
> Antigonish, Nova Scotia

  The clutch is part of the *engine*. But maybe they changed the fly wheel 
too. In any case you're better off with the 9.5" clutch from the series III.

Regards, Bill G.

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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 11:03:47 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Test... please ignore

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SUBJECT: Test... please ignore
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:15:30 -0700
From: shibumi@cisco.com (Kenton A. Hoover)
Subject: Re: Land Rover 90 on CNN

At 22:15 11/08/94, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote:
>The Green Buyer's Guide just came out with a list of cars.  they were judged
>on 1)gas mileage
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> ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
> 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

Re: (4)

But since it will last forever, you'll never need to worry about recycling. :-)

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From: rsrose@cco.caltech.edu (Randolph Rose)
Subject: Re: clutch plates
Date: 15 Aug 1994 20:40:34 GMT

In article <00982E36.D263FEA0.7040@essex.stfx.ca>,
DAVID SPENCER  <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> wrote:
>seems to me that someone on LRO is driving a SeriesIII with a 
>series IIA trans. ? I bought such a beast on friday...I could'nt
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Thanks   David S.
>Antigonish, Nova Scotia

Determined by the throw-out mechanism, which is part of the transmission,
so I would guess to be IIA.  But to check, look for the clutch slave
cylinder.  It its bolted to a bracket on the right side of the bell 
housing, pushes down on a lever, the lever attaches to a shaft,
 the shaft goes into the bell housing,
and if you can see all this clearly on the outside of the bell housing,
then get IIA parts.  A series III slave cylinder will be bolted directly
to the bell housing in a front to back orientation, and no mechanism
will be visible; it's all in the bell housing.  Get III parts if this
seems like the case.  At this time, IIA and III used 9.5 clutches.
The disks are the same, but the pressure plates differ in that the
III is minus a collar attached to the diaphragm spring; this collar meets 
the throw out bearing.  I have ordered a IIA cover, and removed the collar
for a series III, but it is a chore and must be done not to damage the 
spring.

Randy

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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 15:43:49 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: clutch plates

> Determined by the throw-out mechanism, which is part of the transmission,
> so I would guess to be IIA.  But to check, look for the clutch slave
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> spring.
> Randy
  Sorry, but I disagree with this. The sIIa throwout mechanism will work the
diaphram clutch pressure plate of the sIII just fine*. This is the best of
both worlds; the sIIa throwout (runs in the trans oil, won't burn out, water
proof) with the sIII 9.5" diaphram clutch (less likely to slip).

R, bg

* Mine's been working for 50K miles

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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 20:04:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: whatsit

I haven't read all the replys in my mailbox since I have been on holidays,
but for the Quebec LR, why not check the spring shackle serial number on
the passenger side.  It will tell you exactly shat year you have.  Post
the number and someone from Europe (sorry don't have the name in front of
me) who bought the micro fiche info on the production runs will tell ;you
exactly when it was built and whn shipped etc. Dave VE4PN

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Subject: trouble in paradise
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 21:58:38 -0500

Ok boys and girls, here's some thing that I think we will see little of 
because of the furore it will cause.

According to what I understand, from a number of trade sources and from a 
litlle rooting around of my own there is an almighty stink at Solihull 
that the factory would like to keep under the carpet.

Apparently over the years a number of vehicles have dissapaeared from the 
factory in some way or another. Whether they were sold to a scrap 
merchant and supposed to have been destroyed or ones that have been 
spirited away, rumours of this kind of activity have been around for 
donkeys years. With marque such as Land Rover some one will always try to 
lift some thing eventuallly. Kind of li ke the Johnny Cash song, one piec 
e at a time.

Well good thiungs always come to an end, and through greed and stupidity 
or perhaps double cross and jealousy some body has been rumbled. 
Appararently a  White Dsicovery that was a "press" vehicle was the item 
that was recognised on the streets.

I can not mention names as all of this is before the courts as I 
understand. it will be interesting to see if the big two LRO and LRW do 
anything on this. It might be a bit close to home for them.

What can any of you in the UK tell us about this, I think for somebody 
accross the pond in the "mother land " there may be more info on the 
grapevine.

In other news I understand that Mike Hallett is on the move to 
International Off Roader magazine, he has been the technical man at a 
couple of "other" 4 X 4 mags in the UK for a long time, will be 
interesting to see what becomes of this.

Best regards

Robin Craig, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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