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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 26 Jul 94 01:53:53 GMT
Subject: Discovery on Motorweek

On Thursday, 7/28 at 8:00PM EDT on channel 50 (New Jersey Network), Motorweek 
will be testing the US Discovery.  If you have cable and are not in the NY 
metro area you may be able to catch it on another channel.  Check your local 
PBS listings for Motorweek (if they carry it) to see if it is broadcast 
another day and time.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Discovery on Motorweek

On 26 Jul 1994, maloney wrote:

> On Thursday, 7/28 at 8:00PM EDT on channel 50 (New Jersey Network), Motorweek 
> will be testing the US Discovery.  

Sneak preview:
  We here in Maryland saw it on Saturday.  Basically, they liked it very,
very much and kept stressing the competitive price.  The opening shot is
of the "Ruta Maya" version submerging into, then emerging from, a sea of
mud.  The one they tested was fully loaded (leather, sunroofs, rear seats,
CD changer, auto).  Although, as expected, its offroad performance was
excellent, I was surprised to see how composed it was with the high speed
slalom.  ABS worked well (?138 feet 60-0), 0-60 was 14 seconds with the
auto (5-speed should fix that), but they managed to get 16 mpg in mixed
driving despite 13 City/16 Hwy EPA rating.  They liked the updated
instruments (older panels were described as "quirky"), seating, and cargo
capacity.  
  Bottom line: excellent vehicle on and off pavement.
  I'm still waiting to get mine (5-speed).

Harry

_________________________________________________________________
Harry Greenspun
hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: RE: Range Rover tidbits
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 09:22:00 PDT

>The old magnetic CB mount is quite useless on aluminum. So
>I got to thinking, and realized that a cover plate from a 4" square
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>soft aluminum (and my wife) so I screwed it to one of the wood
>planks on the roof rack.

I like your solution.  I opted to go 'non-magnetic', and mounted it to the 
left rear bumper (note: the bumper end-piece is 'metal' on a '79).  This 
puts the antenna lower, but it keeps it from getting hung up on branches (a 
roof rack is out of the question for the same reason).  Reception seems to 
be fine.

>There is no good place to mount a CB radio in a R Rover.
>Cutting the wood grained dash is out of the picture (wife problems)
>and any other place interfers with the driver.

I have a fairly 'slim' bodied CB mounted to the left hand side of the 
'heater' portion of the dash (just above and right of the drivers foot) 
 This makes it very easy to access the controls, and does not interfere with 
the drivers foot (the case on my CB is about 1-1/4" thick).

John Rostykus
john@data-io.com

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Subject: notes from new member
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 12:47:29 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

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From: <DAVE@andataco.com>
Date:          Sat, 23 Jul 1994 16:11:16 PST

My rover took a 15' fall of a cliff prior to my usage of the vehicle 
for a Baja 1000 prerun.  It landed on its nose and then fell back 
onto its wheels.  After the prerun of the Baja 1000 and its 
subsequent usage as a support vehicle for my Ford F150 entry into the 
race, I submitted it to the dealer for repairs.

16k later it is somewhat o.k..  It needed a new floor board and new 
body mounts plus lots of other goodies.

It still has unwanted creaks, but other than that it is o.k..

My lwb ranger rover has been a chase vehicle for every race in teh 
score circut.  I have 30,000+ miles and 27,000 are HARD off road 
miles.

Not your typical usage!!!

Yours in Better Service,

W. David Sykes
President

Andataco
10140 Mesa Rim Road, San Diego California 92121
619-453-9191 ext 1200, 619-453-2676 (fax)
dave@andataco.com

The best kept secret in the industry??????

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 09:48:51 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: SF Bay Area get together?

In message <199407200348.AA22444@crl.crl.com> Roger Sinasohn writes:
> You mean, like, your Land Rovers work?  I didn't think there were any like 
> that...  <g>  (Sorry, couldn't resist)

The engine that Scotty rebuilt for me last year may sound like it is going to 
throw a rod at any moment, but it did survive 1250 miles of driving last week 
with no hitches other than a quart of oil a day.

> San Gregorio sounds fine, except I'm not sure where it is...  Is that south 
> on hwy 1?  I was actually kinda thinking of the Edinburgh Castle in the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> poles on the wall if we're feeling macho -- and great dart boards if we're 
> not stupid. <g>)

San Gregorio is just South of Pacifica on #1.  Open beach.  But parking lot 
isn't too senic.  I was thinking we could find a plkesent place, circle the Land
Rovers and cook up a meal, down a little brew & chat Land Rovers.
> P.S. TeriAnn - did I perchance meet you once up at Scotty's?  Do you have 
> one of those MG station wagon type things?  If so, howdy again!
> city -- real fish and chips, etc. (They've even got one of those telephone 

I have one of those MGBhard top hatch back thingies, in British Racing Green.  
Sounds like you did run into me at Scottys.  Sorry, but I do not remember which 
person you are.  A lot of people drop by Scottys.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                               
San Francisco has to be one of the worst places to drive in the US!  I went from
south of town to the foot of the Golden Gate bridge alternating between first 
gear and a full stop (Almost there were a few places where I got into second).

On the way South, I spent oven an hour creaping to get over the bridge again.

TeriAnn

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 10:01:26 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Sides and top...

In message <199407200348.AA22507@crl.crl.com> Roger Sinasohn writes:
> Spent a fair amount of the weekend at Scotty's with wrench in hand.  Got 
> the seat box out of my 109" so Scotty can work on the Transmission.  Also 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> seems far too thick to my non-mechanical eyes.  Any suggestions? 
> Thanks in advance!

Contact Moss Motors in Goleta CA.  And order the rubber strips for mounting an 
MGB petrol tank ('68 MGB should get you the right stuff).  They are thin and 
about the correct width.  It comes in a roll and as I remember is not very 
expensive.  I think two kits will probably do the job.  

If I can ever get my cars & the Land Rover's engine squared away, I'm rplacing 
the sides on my 109's hard top and will need to reseal it top & bottom.  I 
haven't tried the MGB mounting rubber (other than mounting an MGB petrol tank), 
but it looks like a good fit.

Take care,

TeriAnn

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 13:48:30 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Range Rover tidbits

Re your storage box-  sounds like a great idea! I didn't quite understand 
where you put it -- is it a replacement for the loadspace cover? Where is it
bolted?

I know what you mean about the relays, timers, etc -- there are always 3 times
as many wires as you think should be needed! I actually thought my headlight
washers were inoperative til I read the fine print and tried them with the 
headlights on!

Re the ham radio, I have looked into same for mine. My ham friends tell me
40 meters is the most reliable day and night long distance (up to 500 miles
fairly reliably) communication medium, but you need a full-blown ham license
for that. A lesser but simpler alternative is the 2 meter band as there are 
tons of repeaters, even a few in out of the way places. For that you only
need a simple license and the sets are compact. As yet, I have not installed
either one.

Anyway, it's good to see someone else using a Range Rover for its intended
purpose!

Regards

John

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 18:31:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: LR 88 wheel refinishing options

True, the parts of the wheel are cold formed,but, the rim is formed and 
then welded back on itself. The heat involved with hot dip is approx. 
850 degrees F. The heat needed to weld is twice that....The concern of 
the wheel being weakened is valid,but, as they say the proof is in the 
pudding and I have yet to suffer a failure (Oh lord do we try...see 
reports on OVLR birthday party...) the strenght lost by galvanizing 
cannot be as much as is lost by rust and the accompaning stress 
risers...I have seen several wheels fail due to rust..so...do*something* 
to protect the wheels,and if in any doubt.....BUY NEW!!!!! We as a 
group,are faced with a fairly unique problem...with many of our vehicles 
entering the 3rd or 4th decade of operation,we are entering an unknown 
world of duribility....the vehicles(and the wheels under them)are being 
pushed farther and harder than any reasonable engineer and his life cycle 
goal would have thought about.....if you think about it,the wheels on 
your car have lasted 4 to5 *times* what the "normal" wheel...and has 
likely be subjected to treatment that most cars only have nightmares about...
Case in point,We are all familiar with the photos of the land rover with 
the one set of wheels on the ground and the other set on the lift...the 
vehicle is tilted like,45 degrees from the horizontal....most of the 
weight is now being applied to the lower wheels and at an angle to boot! 
How many VW Rabbit/Golfs get *that* treatment!!!(Other than Mike 
Loiudice's...) :-)
The wheels are responsable for transmitting over 600 ft/lbs in low range!
(of course,the land rover wheels are spared any overwelming *brakeing* 
forces... :-)   ) In short....be 
careful,but 
don't be 
afraid....

steve.......                                                            

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Mon, 25 Jul 1994 16:19:21 +1100
Subject:       Radiators fo LR

Dear LR owners,

    Recently my 1968 LR 88 had some leaks in the radiator.  A local 
Spokane, WA shop stated that mine needed recoring at $250.  So I 
bought a used one from RoversWest out of Tucson for $165.  However, it 
is the newer thinner style which also needed the newer style top and 
bottom hoses.  This last weekend, our local Rover Group had a 
RoverRun near Canada in NW Montana.  It has also been unseasonably 
hot (104 F) for this part of the country.  I took the regular 
mechanical fan off and replaced it with a large thermostatically 
controlled electric fan.  The engine temperature during the run was a 
lot higher than when using the larger, older radiator - also with 
electric fan.  The fan was on continuously and was blowing the air in 
the correct direction.  I never had overheating problems with the 
older style radiator.

    My question is:  Do other LR owners with the thinner radiator have 
overheating problems and how can I solve this problem without looking 
for an older style radiator?

    Our RoverRun was a real success, especially when a new member 
showed up with his new 110 redesigned and built by Overland Services, 
Ltd. of England.  You owe it to yourselves to see such a Rover.  It 
is truly a world class traveler - a land yacht at its best!!  It is 
the flagship of Rovers!!

Thanks,

John R. Benham, Spokane, WA, USA

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 17:08:19 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Range Rover tidbits

Another tidbit that may be worth knowing about CBs and wiring etc; I found that 
a good place to wire the 12v line for the CB is to the load control relay
for the drivers side seat controls. This is a white wire with yellow tracer,
from memory (don't quote me) under the drivers seat -- easily accessible by
removing the plastic side cover from the seat support (one screw and some hook and loop
and loop fastening stuff). 

The advantage is that you have power to the CB when EITHER

1. the ignition is on, or
2. the driver's door is open (whether or not ignition is on).

So, to use the CB from outside the vehicle, when the engine and ignition
are off, all you have to do is open the door and grab the microphone.

At the same time, you won't accidentally walk off and leave the CB on
unless you are in the habit of abandoning your vehicle with the doors open.

I am sure there are many other ways of doing it -- why not connect it to the
heated rear view mirror circuit??!!??

John Brabyn
deRanged Roverer

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 20:49:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Radiators fo LR

The newer rad needs an overflow tank to work correctly...if you don't 
have a tank, the rad is low after the 1st heating/cooling cycle...The 
late and early rads that I've seen have the same size and thickness core..
the electric fan should have been running all the time under hot and 
heavy running...over 25-30 mph it should cool by forced air only..hence 
the economy of running an electric fan over a mechanical one...also the 
eletric is designed to run at one speed and can be calibrated to be most 
effective at that speed....sooo it most likley wasn't the fans fault...
check that thermostat and the ignition timing.....Is the fan pushing or 
pulling the air through the rad?????

steve....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re:  Range Rover tidbits
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 18:31:58 MDT

> Re your storage box-  sounds like a great idea! I didn't quite understand 
> where you put it -- is it a replacement for the loadspace cover? Where is it
> bolted?
none

Here is the framing dimensions
I hope it makes sense.

Backseat                tailgate
top
      32.5 in
 ____________
 |    |     |  16 in
 |          |
 |    |     |
 ____________

Top in hinged in the middle, backseat side is fixed

Passenger side
     32.5 in
a _____________
       |       |
       |       | 16 in
       |       |
      b_________
           23 in

Diagonal brace from a to b

drivers side

           32.5 in
 +    ____________
 +    |          |
 +    |          | 16 in
 +    |          |
 ________________
       40 in
Note the + are the back seat, and the one by two fits under the seat

view from tailgate
              28 in
       _____________
       |            |
       |            | 16 in
       |            |
       _____________  ======
                       angle iron bolted to body behind 
                       passenger tail assembly.

The top, and drivers side frames are covered with .25 
inch plywood, and Formica.
I am still looking for some thumb screws to bolt down the hinged 
cover while offroading.

  
Total view from rear of vehicle

   S   
   P   ______     _________
   A   |      |   |       |
   R   |      |   |       |
   e   |      |   |       |
        ______    _________

      electric        storage
       cooler          box

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:34:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: 88 vs 109

Are we not land rover GURUs (GURI?)....ok 109 vs 88 stuff 1st....
the 109 has more leg room than the 88....the distance between the rear 
cab bulkhead and the foot wells is greater in the 109....as 
evidence...the fuel filler enters the cab on the 109 and enters the rear 
box on the 88 (it does snake forward through the bulhead but there is not 
enough room to enter the body in front of the bulkhead and behind the door 
opening...also the cab roof on a 88 has to sit on an adapter plate behind 
the bulkhead where the 109 has the cab on the top edge of the bulkhead
15 inch wheels were standard on north american 88's from the early 60's on...
It is truly bad form to put them on a 109,partictualy a SW,as the greater 
weight of the 109 can overwhelm those wheels (the 90's are avalable with 
the styled "range rover" 16 inch wheels where the 110's are not for the 
same reason..)
Bug-eye stuff as I understand it...Lighting regs in the US and Australia 
took a dim view (yes it's bad) of the light location on the land 
rover...the lights should be closer to the outide edge of the car....
the first solution,put together overnight,it seems, was to put the 
"normal" land rover head lights on the *surface* of the front 
wings..theses were the standard lights with the chrome rings and all
the lights do give a "bulging" appearance, and may have earned the name 
"Bug_eye" We in N.A. were given this rig for the 1968 model year only. By 
1969, the lights had sunk in to be flush with the front of the wings,and 
thus to be some what better protected than the 68 "stand proud" lights.....

steve....

ps just wait 'till i pose the question on the 109 canaidian pickup i have!
then you can all wrack yer brains fer sure!

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re:  Extra fuel for range rover
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 19:08:32 MDT

> Sounds lioke a great idea! What sort of roof rack do you use?
> John
none

I have a CONFER one piece monster rack I bought for my isuzu
6 years ago. I am sure I stress the gutters on the roof as I
approach or exceed the capacities
   rack with floor      75 lbs
   8 gallons of fuel    48 lbs
   Hi lift jack         30 lbs
   8 gallons of water   48lbs
 Damn, I already have 200 lbs and no luggage.

I have often wondered why Rover did not design the door, and window
pillors with a steel flange to support the gutters. I could always
bolt some angle iron under the gutters.
Now what really confuses me is why the disco with a steel roof has 
a 110 lbs capacity verses 165 for the rover....
Any one know what a Range Rover roof panel costs, after I rip off
the gutters ???

russ

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Roof rack
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 19:27:37 MDT

> > Sounds lioke a great idea! What sort of roof rack do you use?
> > John
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> Russ
> Sorry if this is a repeat, e-mail has been crashing...

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 22:19:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: seals

Re oil seals.  I hope this is of some use.  U overhauled a series II
engine and put in lots of Ser IIA parts.  The original engine had the
older solid type seal.  I used the seal for the newer engine and it worked
fine.  I also converted over to a diesel crank so I made a few major
modifications and still the newer seal worked fine.  I don't have any oil
leaking after about 4000 miles, so I guess it is fixed.  The old seal
seemed to be a very rigid sort of thing and the new seal is much softer
and seems to fit just fine.  Maybe it is worth a try to see if the fitting
will work for you.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 22:33:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Range Rover tidbits

I am a ham radio operator.  I use two meters in all my vehicles but
remember you need a ham ticket to use these frequencies.  There are
repeaters in just about every place in North America, and this will let
you talk to people just as clearly as if you were on a telephone.  Failing
this type of rig, I guess a cell phone is your next best bet since CB is
really 11 meters, and it is very prone to skip problems and more
importantly poor operators causing interference.  I have a two meter 5/8th
whip mounted on the drivers side wing using the hole normaly used for
mounting the boomerang mirrors on the 88.  It uses a mount similar to what
you would see on a taxi, but stronger.  This set up gives a good ground
plane under the antenna so you get the best performance, however the
higher the better is a good rule when using VHF.  I have used a 5/8ths two
meter antenna mounted on the roof with a metal plate with suction cups and
cutter clips and I have mounted a plate across the corner of my safari
rack in the past.  The safari rack setup was the best because it was
highest.  I also use HF shortwave in the vehicle, and for that I use a
spring and ball mount like CB operators use, and it is fine.  I even have
mounted a 12 element beam (2 meter type) on the rig for emergency work. 
(I was in Hawaii running radio for the American Red Cross using these
frequencies and they work just fine) Dave VE4PN

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Subject: Re: LR 88 wheel refinishing options
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 23:46:20 -0500

Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> writes:

> True, the parts of the wheel are cold formed,but, the rim is formed and 
> then welded back on itself. The heat involved with hot dip is approx. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> pudding and I have yet to suffer a failure (Oh lord do we try...see 
> reports on OVLR birthday party...)

        Besides our wheels probably not being straight in the first place,
        the other thing to bear in ming is that many of these older rims
        are not double lipped.  Hence you *should* be using tubes with the
        tires.  Otherwise sideways forces, rather common while off-roading,
        could result in the bead breaking and a loss of air.  This is what
        happened to one of your two tires I believe.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

> How many VW Rabbit/Golfs get *that* treatment!!!(Other than Mike 
> Loiudice's...) :-)

        Mine?  :-)

> "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
> "        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
> "        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
> "        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

        Ohhhh!  Catching up I see... <grin>

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: 88 vs 109
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 23:38:42 -0500

Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> writes:

> steve....
> ps just wait 'till i pose the question on the 109 canaidian pickup i have!
> then you can all wrack yer brains fer sure!
none

        Lets hear all about it... :-)  What year et cetera.  I have three
        sitting here, two petrols and a diesel.  Two are to be sold, the
        third may just get the military ambulance frame (nicely reinforced
        all about) and a off-road oriented rebuild job.  First, however,
        the Little Earth Pig is about eight hours worth of works away from
        its safety.  The two front hubs are being changed, new seals all
        about, a little hammering on some bent body panels and all will be
        ready.  Not too soon either, the Rabbit is getting worse.  With
        difficulty I could use fourth gear, now it is all but impossible.
        Transportation around here is quickly evaporating... <sigh>

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        PS, expect a copy of the July OVLR newsletter in the mail soon...

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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