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1 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo24Re: Hard Reliability Data on DIscovery
2 maloney@wings.attmail.co17Vanishing fuel filter
3 sim1@cornell.edu (Steve 32Re: New car purchase decisions...
4 Randy Parker [rparker@wo14Re: British Car Day at the Museum Of Transportation
5 Randy Parker [rparker@wo24Re: Hard Reliability Data on DIscovery
6 hiner@mail.utexas.edu (G14Well not actually a Rover question but . . . .
7 ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.e31LR 88 wheel refinishing options
8 Steven M Denis [denis@o22Re: Pinion Nut
9 Steven M Denis [denis@o44Re: Well not actually a Rover question but . . . .
10 Steven M Denis [denis@o19Re: LR 88 wheel refinishing options
11 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus18Re: Well not actually a Rover question but . . . .
12 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus77Re: Pinion Nut
13 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus25Furgy bits
14 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000426Re: Pinion Nut
15 David John Place [umplac15Re: LR 88 wheel refinishing options
16 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn56Re: This Oil Burning Thing
17 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn29Re: 88 vs 109
18 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn22Sides and top...
19 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn23Re: SF Bay Area get together?
20 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn15Re: Leather seats vs. cloth...
21 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn16Re: Rover Names
22 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn25Re: This Oil Burning Thing
23 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn14Re: SF Bay Area get together?
24 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn16Re: Generator to alternator upgrade
25 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn17Re: Generator to alternator upgrade
26 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn17Re: British car meet in Hayward, California
27 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn16Defender = Investment?
28 Spenny@aol.com 26Bug eyed Rovers
29 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on33[not specified]
30 "Keith Coman" [BAKC@gira21 Re: Sides and top...
31 Craig Murray [craigp@ocs24Re: Furgy bits
32 "Keith Coman" [BAKC@gira30 Re: Oil Burning --> Diesel in Africa
33 "Keith Coman" [BAKC@gira18 Re: Bug eyed Rovers


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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Hard Reliability Data on DIscovery
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 09:08:11 UNDEFINED

>Since the Discovery has been available for a while in the UK
>(and elsewhere), has anyone come across any hard data on its 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>UK equivalent of Consumer Reports, but if there's any library
>in Atlanta that subscribes, I haven't found it.)

>I'd be happy to hear about personal experiences and subjective
>information, but hard data (objective, unbiased, and of statistical
>significance) would be best.

No numbers, but the latest AA mag shows the Disco as the 3rd most commonly 
stolen vehicle to break for parts........

Not a good omen.

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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 19 Jul 94 23:04:04 GMT
Subject: Vanishing fuel filter

Sandy,

If it makes you feel any better, the screen on Vince's pickup tube had also 
disintigrated.  It appeared to have been fastened on by some sort of tape.  
There was a thin strand of tape left hanging from the side of the tube 
attached to the remains of the screen.  I think the tape is what disintigrates 
and the screen gets lost when draining the tank.  Just a thought.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:38:13 -0400
From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: New car purchase decisions...

I think this is how car dealers send their kids to college and finance
their retirements.  It would be amazing if you even had a choice.  Most
dealers seem to do these things to new vehicles while they are still on the
delivery trucks. Did you ever notice that the first rust that develops (on
a car in the salt belt, at least) is where they drill the holes in the top
of the rocker panel to spray the liquid gold inside?  I believe I read in
Consumer Reports a while back that the paint protector applied by the
dealers for a couple of hundred dollars is no better than applying
semi-annual coats of Rain Dance or other good wax.  Of course, Consumer
Reports has also said that Peugeot Turbo Diesels were used cars to avoid. 
Mine had 264000 miles on it when it got rear-ended, and I reached 275000
before rust damage did it in. :-(
And I will find a Land Rover to pop that engine into. :-)

>FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>SUBJECT: New car purchase decisions...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>off? can I do the same thing by coating the dash with Armorall and
>scotchguarding the upholstery???

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:35:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Parker <rparker@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: British Car Day at the Museum Of Transportation

On Sun, 17 Jul 1994, John Hong wrote:

> Anyway it is Rover day there this August 28 - this is yacking and show and 
> tell only - no off roading...although there was a nice big dirt pile out back...

Anyone know of any New England off-road events scheduled for 
this summer (either BSROA or non-BSROA)?   Thanks.

-- Randy Parker

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:46:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Parker <rparker@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: Hard Reliability Data on DIscovery

On Mon, 18 Jul 1994, Stephen Thomas wrote:

> I'd be happy to hear about personal experiences and subjective
> information, but hard data (objective, unbiased, and of statistical
> significance) would be best.

No hard data, sorry.

When I was over in the UK earlier this year, I got a number of reviews of 
the new Discovery in the unbiased :-) UK car press.  They were 
unanimously favorable and none mentioned any reliability issues to date.

Of the handful of Disco owners I know of or have spoken to (including
mine), none report any immediate problems with the new US imports, and all
are also unanimously pleased.  (Non-scientific survey!)

I'd be interested in what you find.

-- Randy Parker

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 15:08:23 -0500
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: Well not actually a Rover question but . . . .

Wet clutch vs. dry clutch -

My friend has a motorcycle with a wet clutch and he was saying that they
are virtually indestructible and asked me why they don't use them in cars?
I have know idea. Can anybody tell me.

Best-

Greg

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: LR 88 wheel refinishing options
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 124 15:53:18 -0500 (CDT)

I am in the process of stripping the nato green paint
and sandblasting my qty=5 16 inch rims that I got in
used from the UK.  I will get it down to bare metal.
One down, 4 more to go.  Need some feedback on
refinishing -- should I:
-- paint 'em with 2-part epoxy primer and topcoat.
   This makes a tough finish -- I have done it before.
   The final color would be limestone white.
-- galvanize 'em.  Did any LR ever have galvanized
   rims.  Someone on the net mentioned earlier that
   he had done it -- let me know what the pros and
   cons are.  For those who feel authenticity is
   important, would this violate that code?

For me, the cost would be about the same.  $0.30 per
pound for the galvanizing, but the 2-part paint is
expensive too.

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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000

- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU)        - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)       - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                   - xx
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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Pinion Nut

what is the problem ol' buddy? can't ya just hold the yoke with yer' 
teeth and turn the nut with yer pinkie?
if holding the yoke is thge problem,OTC makes a special bar that slips 
over the yolk and gives you leveage ....if the nut is just too 
tight....(how did it get that way...hummmmmm?) you can use a hammer and 
chislel to *whack* it around...it'll end up looking like a beaver had at 
it and you will have to replace it,but it'll be layin' in your palm in no 
time...

steve...

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:08:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Well not actually a Rover question but . . . .

If you are running a 2.25 engine you should have a wet clutch by now! :-)
OK.....(you folks have to stop asking things that I feel I have to answer...)
Donorcycles are not cars....suprized?....there are several differences 
besides the bikes lack of wheels...(before I go on...A BMW R60/5 that 
I *love* ...OK?...dry clutch and all) a meteorcycle is all for 
performance...so a small diameter flywheel is used due to its low moment 
of inertia....(it accelerates faster)the lack of room on a bike is a 
secondary concideration...can you picture a 250cc bike with a 12 inch 
flywheel and clutch? the small flywheel also doesn't supply an unwanted 
gyroscopic effect on the whole rig as you wind up through the gears...a 
third reason....so,the flywheel size dictates the maximum diameter of the 
clutch...However the chance of a 5 inch,single plate clutch being enough 
to hold back a DOHC 16 valve 1100cc is slim....zinnnnnngggg*POW*....putt....
so enter the multi-plate clutch! TA-DA! This little gem has many many 
friction plates to grip and grab...they are stacked one on top of the 
other,with alternate plates being drive and driven...ok with this? Sooo 
everything is cool right?.......WRONG! On the land rover the heat 
generated by the friction of the clutch is absorbed and disapated by the 
big heavy cluch and flywheel...the heat only has to travel away from the 
friction surface and its on its way to to the"outside"and the cold cruel 
world. Suffer the poor multi-disc..the heat generated on one side is 
disipated through the disc and...OOOOOOPS!!!.meets the heat generated on the 
back side of the disc!........Those tricky engineers(*love* those 
striped suits and hats fellas) looked around for something to pour over 
the clutch to cool it and found....OIL! (Yea! whooopi! we're saved!)
soooo they bury the clutch in the transmission and fill the whole thing 
with oil....there are other reasons,such as cushioning of the driveline 
shock when "power shifting" (Yes,*YOU*!) and such, but that should give 
you the general idea....none of the weight and size things pertain to 
the rover(they*want* a heavy flywheel...) so no wet clutch in the rover....

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:12:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: LR 88 wheel refinishing options

no"cons"to galvinizing except the "original" appearance....
one could paint over the zinc if it was washed with a etching compound 
first..

steve....

all repainted wheels seem to rust where the rim and hub come togetather....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Well not actually a Rover question but . . . .
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 21:08:42 EDT

> Wet clutch vs. dry clutch -
> My friend has a motorcycle with a wet clutch and he was saying that they
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Best-
> Greg
Ah, maybe 'cause they contain multiple friction/pressure plates?  Ask him
why race-bikes most often contain dry clutches (also of the multiple
plate variety....boy are they loud when disengaged)!  As for indestructible,
I've seen 'em go, go, gone before.  Indestructible is a relative term, I
guess.

rd/nigel

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Pinion Nut
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 22:03:13 EDT

> what is the problem ol' buddy? can't ya just hold the yoke with yer' 
> teeth and turn the nut with yer pinkie?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> time...
> steve...

Ok, Ok, I am getting some flack, but surely I of all people deserve it.
The saga of my rear end (the diff, that is) began long ago.  Recall that
way back in april Nigel lost his second half shaft in six months (and
Nige ain't no smoke-blowin' torquey deezzyl either)....so began the
"I gotta fix dis clutch judder problem", and with your help, and hers, and
his, and lotsa Marcus' it got fixed up good (and I cannot even detect-
as if I should be able to-the slightest bit of imbalance to my flywheel
resulting from the unfortunate loss of both locator studs....).  In the
course of that operation I came across a deal I just could not refuse-
a brand new diff for $300 (RN usual cost is 4X that amount) to replace
the aged one that got Nigel through the first 34 years of his life.
I *thought* at that time that the LOUD rumblings I oftimes heard coming
from beneath my rear bed under off-load (in between accelerating and
decelerating, or while coasting in neutral or with the clutch in)
conditions was due to warn bearings in the rear.  (I now suspect this
noise comes from a warn output shaft bearing on me transfer case 'cause
it is still there with the new diff.)  So, we puts the clutch, tranny,
seatbox, floors, new rear diff, halfshafts, etc all back together, top
it all off with oils, and drives to town for pizza and brewskis.  All
seems fine (except for the persistant rumbling....) so me and danige
goes to work the next day.  On my way in I realize I have lost the 
abilty to see out the rear window (has nothing at all to do with the
pizza and beer the night before).....just gunk.  A glance underneath
reveals the culprit-the rear diff I got came off a model with a 
self lubricating chassis.

So, a few daze later the rear diff comes out again, a brand new
gasket is installed (I had re-used the six-month-old one), this time
with lotsa permatex, top off with oil, clean the rear windshield,
and go for a spin.....no dice, still leaking like a sieve, although
the exact location of the leak remains somewhat of a mystery (the
six-month old gasket was dry as a bone, incidentally, so I am sure
the leak didn't come from the junction of the diff and the axle casing).
....surely it must be the seal.  A call to RN got me lotsa apologies
(good folks, nothing against them here) and collectively we conclude that
in the twenty some odd years or more of storeage the seal must have 
dried out/cracked/killed by ground level ozone, etc.  They sends me
a new seal and .......... I struggle to get the damned pinion nut off.

The problem, you see, is one of adequate space.  I can get plenty-'o-
big breaker bar on there, but only have so far to turn it before running
into my leafspring (or the rear bed).  There is a certain amount of
"slack" (not really free play slack, but movement) in the system that
one has to traverse through before the brakes (operated by the resting
foot of a cooperative lil' lady who's up above reading a book....she is
soo good to me) kick in.  I also tried an impact driver with "the
persuader" but to no avail.  Have not tried heat yet (thanks Dave4EPEN)
but may shortly.  A tool to hold the yoke, if it does in fact exist,
would be most helpful.  But, bear in mind that nothing is corroded
together here-this is a brand new leaking f-ing rear differential
(that I probably didn't need anyway, dammit).

What I was hoping for was some advice comparable to the method we
all now use to get the front pulley nut off........something along
the lines of bracing an adequate spanner/socket w/breaker bar up
against the leafspring and either rolling or towing (this '39 Ford
9N loves this kind of stuff!) it.  Then again, this method could
cost me yet another half shaft, or maybe even this brand new rear
diff......maybe I should just find someone with air tools.

ugh,
gear oil gets expensive (good thing I ain't runnin' synthetics),
and I'm not making friends with any of my motorcylcin' buddies-

rd/that leaking nige thang.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Furgy bits
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 22:13:12 EDT

Snip, snip

> about an inch.  Also, there is no room in the engine bay to put an air cleaner,
> as the one of a 2l will strangle the motor, and have had recomended to me
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> I will be able to tuck the furgie air cleaner under the wing, and can run a 
> snorkel off it.

Dunno, but.......the air cleaner on our Furgeson TO30 (I suspect this is smaller
than a newer 240 is) is a tad on the small side.  It's is, however, very similar
to a LR air cleaner.....shapewise and it's a wire mesh/oil soaked type.  Also has
a "port" up top that should easily be adaptable to a snorkel.  I was just realizing
the other day how many bits on the Furgy look like they'd bolt right up to the
rover (yet another source for distributors, perhaps??), and used my LR handcrank
to turn the baby over during a tune-up.

Wonder what those big tyres would look like on Nigel.............

rd/nige/mid fifties TO30.

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Date: 19 Jul 94 22:46:54 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Pinion Nut

>What I was hoping for was some advice comparable to the method we
 >all now use to get the front pulley nut off........something along
 >the lines of bracing an adequate spanner/socket w/breaker bar up
 >against the leafspring and either rolling or towing (this '39 Ford
 >9N loves this kind of stuff!) it.  Then again, this method could
 >cost me yet another half shaft, or maybe even this brand new rear
 >diff......maybe I should just find someone with air tools.

That's exactly how we do it when we're "out of Africa" and have neither
the tools nor time for hanky-panky. If your rear diff is a Salisbury - 
*slam it* ! More likely the spanner will crack up.
With the regular rear axle I'd advise caution. Tow (or drive) into the
spanner-braced-against-the-leaf spring slowly, and just when you feel the
load coming on, press the clutch and let car roll into it by its own weight.
On negativ result, go for a bit more speed next time. If you've reached
a point where the cars jerks to a halt so hard that you would consider
putting on the seat belt and it _still_ won't come off, then stop there,
or *something* will give...

Stefan
LROC of Hessen

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 22:00:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: LR 88 wheel refinishing options

I am just doing a set of 15" wheels.  I have found that the same paint you
use on the top (limstone) is fine, but the trick is to go over the metal
first with an acid wash.  Navel Jelly etc. is a good substitute.  It makes
the bond to the metal so much better that the paint just doesn't come off.
 It is cheaper than two part epoxy and last as long.  One thing you want
to watch when sand blasting the wheels is that you get some kind of paint
or undercoat on them "fast" because I have found that they start to rust
before your eyes.  We are at our peak temps in Canada and humidity is
high.  I sandblasted the rims yesterday evening and today they showed
signs of rust so I gave them a spray with primer.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:32 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: This Oil Burning Thing

It's true that in many cases (widespread solar panel use, damming free 
flowing rivers, etc.) Electric power is just as bad as petrol, but here, 
especially in the San Francisco bay area, we get a lot of power from 
hydroelectric plants (a Damn in Yosemite National Park that should never 
have been built; it destroyed a wonderful valley at the beginning of this 
century. Unfortunately, there's nothing that can be done -- destroying the 
damn and draining the resevoir would only leave an ugly hole in the ground) 
and from wind power (Windmills).  

As for power/speed, I've seen electric sports cars with top speeds of 60+, 
which is as good as most Rovers.  There's a lot of electric research going 
on in this area.  There's even a race car powered only by solar panels.  

Horses aren't a viable option here in The City, but bicycles are.  
Unfortunately, I don't feel comfortable carrying a $4k laptop computer on a 
bike...  Getting hit by a car wouldn't bother me but it might damage the 
computer.  Mostly, I take the bus, but as I'm now working outside the city 
proper, a 10 minute drive by car takes anywhere from 30 minutes (in theory) 
to 2 hours +.  So as much as I don't like the idea of adding to local 
pollution and traffic congestion, driving is sure looking better (and 
cheaper) every day.  

(BTW, I'm not worried about the planet itself -- the earth can take care of 
itself no matter what we do to it.  I'm just concerned with my own local 
environment.  I prefer clear air, and don't really want to have to listen 
to warnings every morning that today breathing may be hazardous to my 
health.)

So anyway, some of these fuel-saving devices may be worth it to me too.  I 
think I understand what the pre-heater is for (warm up the engine so when 
you start it, it's like it's been running -- less energy needed to get the 
thing moving, etc.), but what does the electric fan do?  How is that 
different from the belt/engine driven standard fan?  How is it mounted?  

Pardon my ignorance...  I don't know much about cars and such.  (My dad was 
an accountant and I know all about bookkeeping and opera and antiques and 
such.)  I'm trying to learn, though.

I'm not as worried for the longer trips -- I don't do them that often.  
(Not as often as I'd like, anyway.)  It's the day to day commuting that I'm 
thinking of (20 miles round trip.)  Perhaps a pre-heater would be a good 
idea.

Thanks!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:02 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 88 vs 109

I have one of each (sIII 88" and sII 109"), and I like the 109" much 
better.  The series II is more utilitarian and seems easier to work with.  
The series III has the guages by the steering wheel, but having them in the 
center is not hard to get used to.  I definitely like the twist knobs for 
the vents over the levers in the series III, but I could live without the 
funky sII wiper motors.  

88 vs 109 depends on what you're gonna do with it.  I like the 109" because 
I can take it camping and it basically functions as an RV.  I've got a bed 
and cabinets that go in the back.  I don't go off-highway all that much, 
though.  It's also great for hauling stuff around.  

I think the 88"'s are better off-road, though, because they're shorter.  So 
if you're primary use is as an off-highway vehicle, that may be the way to 
go.  (Check with the experts here, though.)  

Either way, they're great.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:53 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Sides and top...

Spent a fair amount of the weekend at Scotty's with wrench in hand.  Got 
the seat box out of my 109" so Scotty can work on the Transmission.  Also 
got all the roof bolts out so we can swap the roof.  Next step is take the 
sides on and re-put them on because I don't think I did it right last time.

My question is, what do y'all put between the top of the truck bed and the 
bottom of the sides (if anything)?  I was using pipe insulation, but that 
seems far too thick to my non-mechanical eyes.  Any suggestions? 

Thanks in advance!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:13 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: SF Bay Area get together?

You mean, like, your Land Rovers work?  I didn't think there were any like 
that...  <g>  (Sorry, couldn't resist)

San Gregorio sounds fine, except I'm not sure where it is...  Is that south 
on hwy 1?  I was actually kinda thinking of the Edinburgh Castle in the 
city -- real fish and chips, etc. (They've even got one of those telephone 
poles on the wall if we're feeling macho -- and great dart boards if we're 
not stupid. <g>)

P.S. TeriAnn - did I perchance meet you once up at Scotty's?  Do you have 
one of those MG station wagon type things?  If so, howdy again!

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sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:49:09 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Leather seats vs. cloth...

I like leather, but as I have a rule of not wearing long pants on weekends, 
I think I might stick to it.  I suspect it might also be hotter when you 
get in the car.  On the other hand, it's probably easier to clean.

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sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:23 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Names

> If the Chevy was 'Seet Pea', how about calling the 109 "Ol' Sour-Dough" ?

That's a good idea!  I'll run pass the girlfriend and all and see what the 
consensus is. <g>

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sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:26 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: This Oil Burning Thing

> Sure, switch to a TDi !  (Oh no, there goes John Hong again...)
> Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
> LROC of Hessen
none

<g>  Can you put a TDi in a sII?  I was actually hoping for some tips that 
I could *afford*. <g>  But that's not a bad idea!  I'm hoping to (someday) 
make a trip from the top of Europe to the bottom of Africa and back, and 
that might be a lot more practical that the chevy straight-6 conversion I 
was considering.  

Diesel, as I understand it, is pretty common across Europe...  How common 
is it in Africa?  Especially in the less populated areas?

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sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:19 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: SF Bay Area get together?

If we had it in the North Eastern east bay, perhaps we could get the 
Sacto/Davis folks down for the shingding?

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sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:47 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Generator to alternator upgrade

Keep in mind that no car (even brand spanking new ones) never breaks down. 
 And if you compare the cost of maintaining an existing vehicle versus the 
cost of a new vehicle, the Land Rover suddenly looks *real* cheap.  
Especially if you do your own repairs.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:48:56 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Generator to alternator upgrade

I too have a marine alternator in my 109" after the generator died, and the 
thing I like is it is a standard, readily available part.  If it dies, I 
can get another one at Grand Auto or Napa or wherever and be on my way. 

Also, the fact that it charges at idle is nice.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:49:02 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: British car meet in Hayward, California

I expect I'll be there.   I won't have a Rover with me (They're both at 
Scotty's right now), but I'll most likely make it.  Look for a weird 
looking guy in shorts and sandals and a beard & moustache.  Probably 
becoming in a Mazda 323 lic. I TCH TAP.  (Or by bart if I can't talk Rachel 
into going. <g>)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:49:06 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Defender = Investment?

Okay, so they're selling the Defender 110 for $45K, and they bought it as 
an investment...  How much did they originally sell for, that they could 
make a serious profit?  (They must have paid cash, or the interest would 
kill any profit they might make.)  Weird!

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sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 00:55:00 EDT
Subject: Bug eyed Rovers

What can anybody tell me about bug eyes? I hava a 1969 SWB IIA
with headlights in the rad. grille & side wings, i know 96 was the first year
rover moved the headlights to the side wings for the NADA 
But someone told me that early in the model year rover shipped rovers with 
2 sets of headlights ostensibly to use up left-over parts, but this doesn't 
make sense because i dont think that non export rovers had headlights in 
the side wings until 71. so did someone just add the second set of lights or 
what?

2 what ever happend to the rover name list someone was compiling?

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Subject: Dwarves...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 13:58:26 -0500

        There be a pack of mad little dwarves hiding inside my poor
        underworked 2.25l of late.  When I go a bit faster than 30-35mph
        there arises such a loud clatter...  :-(

        Sounds like the big green beastie from the sleazy swamp has
        spun a bearing, three months after they were all changed with
        the rings.  (Did I check the crank you ask?  Of course not
        I respond...  'tis that I have just been procrastinating on
        rebuilding the original engine that this is slightly annoying.)

        Oh well, the "little earth pig" is about a week away from heading
        for a safety, so efforts will be made there before the 109
        gets some attention.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        (Guess this is what you get when you put modern technology too
        close to those advanced Lucas electrics.  'twas picking up
        a microvax 2 (16mb memory, 500mb disk, TK50's TA-90's, VMS
        4.2 installed, 5.1 in a box, ultrix in a box, complete manuals
        and licenses, the cost, free... :*).  Gotta love obsolescence...
        Filled the 109 completely, along wih part of an Aerostar...)

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:44:19 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re: Sides and top...

> My question is, what do y'all put between the top of the truck bed and the 
> bottom of the sides (if anything)?  I was using pipe insulation, but that 
> seems far too thick to my non-mechanical eyes.  Any suggestions? 

    See if you can find a used heavy duty rubber sealing ring 
(contains the air valve) for a light truck wheel rim.  (This is the 
"sortta" inner tube arrangement that fits inside the rim before you 
put the tyre on.)  The rubber used is pretty bullet-proof.  Take a 
pair of sharp cutters and snip off lengths from the circumference, 
about 1" wide.  Cut to fit and then stick it to the base of your 
Landies' sides with Pliobond or similar flexible "sticks anything" 
glue.    Inexpensive, easy and lasts for decades.....
Cheers,
Keith Coman     * Dept of Management, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa *
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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Furgy bits
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 15:46:01 EST

> Snip, snip
> > about an inch.  Also, there is no room in the engine bay to put an air cleaner,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
> to turn the baby over during a tune-up.
> Wonder what those big tyres would look like on Nigel.............

What are the dimentions for this air cleaner, the one I was looking at
was too large, it was 14" long and 7" in diameter, which is way to big.

        And about putting the tractor tyres on nigel, haven't you
seen the Forest Rover, the Canadian forestry service had a couple, but
they would be emensly under powered, and exreamly easy to do a diff or 
and axle. (Serious!!)

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Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:56:20 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re:  Oil Burning --> Diesel in Africa

> <g>  Can you put a TDi in a sII?  I was actually hoping for some tips that 
> I could *afford*. <g>  But that's not a bad idea!  I'm hoping to (someday) 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Diesel, as I understand it, is pretty common across Europe...  How common 
> is it in Africa?  Especially in the less populated areas?

    In line with the decline in Land-Rover market share over the past 
+15 years, I imagine the numbers of LR diesels out here have also 
dropped -- limited dealers, spare parts infrastructure, etc.  
Surviving Landies will often have been re-engined -- typically with a 
non-Landie petrol engine (more available and cheaper to buy and run 
spares-wise, etc.)
    Diesel fuel is widely available "off the beaten track" however.  
Don't expect a great deal of spares and technical backup for a LR 
turbo diesel -- in South Africa (perhaps one of the more "advanced" LR
regions: they are assembled here after all! -- there are perhaps no 
more than a dozen service centers that could help in case of a 
problem).  Dropping in (say) a Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu light truck 
diesel could however stack the odds heavily in yr favour -- the basic 
problem is that LR spares and service infrastructures are not what 
they were (say) 20-15 yrs ago.....
Cheers,
Keith Coman * Dept of Management, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa *
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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:59:50 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re: Bug eyed Rovers

> What can anybody tell me about bug eyes? I hava a 1969 SWB IIA
> with headlights in the rad. grille & side wings, i know 96 was the first year
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> the side wings until 71. so did someone just add the second set of lights or 
> what?

    Strikes me that a PO has simply twirled a few spanners and 
cobbled up a front-end using both S2 and S3 components -- personally 
I've seen quite a few of these "conversions" down the years: they 
look okay IMO  (:D)!!
Keith Coman * Dept of Management, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa *
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