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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:15:43 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Eratta

I know this isn't directly Rover related, but it might interest a few
members in the the UK.  Some friends just returned from a vacation in
Scotland...they actually (and quite by chance) met Prince Charles!  Turns
out they were all on the Scottish island of Islay where the Prince crashed
his jet.  It was hushed up and kept from the tabloids, though.  Seems that
he was told by the tower to "go around" and make another approach, but made
a downwind landing anyway, overshot the runway and put the jet into a peat
bog.  The impact apparently was enough to tear off the main gear and send
the nose wheel up into the cockpit, though all escaped injury.  The jet's
still there where they are building a hangar around it until it can be repaired.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:18:48 -0500
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: Alternative parts list - final

This is the final draft of the alternative parts list (though it can always
be added too). I have put a copy on the RoverWeb -
html://whitman.gar.utexas.edu:1500/

Best-
Greg

For Land Rovers

******************Distributor******************

FYI...the vw distributors work in the 2.25 landie..but the rotation is
backwards....mechanical"retard" not advance!....still might get ya' home some
night! Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>

MY ENGINE DIED AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF A DISTRIBATOR PROBLEM. COULD NOT FIND A
RELPACEMENT FOR MY 1966 109' WAGON WITH A 50'S ENGINE. FINIALLY SOMEONE
SUGGESTED GOING TO A JAGUAR SHOP.....GOT A LUCAS DDB117[54417212]
DISTRIBUTOR..WORKS BETTER THAN THE ORGINAL.
BENJAMIN - "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@CompuServe.COM>

actually the distrubutor is used on several english cars such as the austin
mini
for that fact any a series engine. on another note the four cylinder datsun
with
electronic distributors are the same diameter and length as  the minis and i
suppose the landrovers.thus making it a almost identical swap, the only
difference is the distributor drive which is held by a pin. a small
modification
is needed to fit the standard rover drive on but it does work. the datsun
distrubutor also has vacumm and centrifical advance, yippee...make sure the
distrubutor turns the same direction as your original rover.!!! one more thing
the electrical unit is all attached to the distributor and any moron can hook
her up... /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@amail.mot.com

Series 3 distributors will go into Series 2.

**********************Seals***************

Indeed. Case in point: Hub oil seals. Use National/Federal Mogul #410694
American-made, *double lipped* (so's not to ride on the distance piece along the
same path as the single-lipped OEM's or "GP's"), with sealing compound already
applied to the outside face. About $6 at any bearing shop. While we're mucking
about the hubs, lock tab washers: International Harvester #860291R1 have a
little "foot" to ride in the groove on the hub. <p>Sandy Grice, Rover Owners'
Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056

Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:37:27 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: Alternative Parts
X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII

Transmission oil seals;

These are National Oil Seal/Federal Mogul numbers

              Atlantic Britsh cat. number

CR16254           13   output shaft
CR19359           12   trans to transfer case
CR6143           573   speedo drive plate

Wheel hub seal;

410694           330

*************Master Cylinder*****************************

David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA> said that a 1970 something brake
master cylinder bolted up to the Land Rover and worked fine. The brake cylenders
I mentioned are from 72 Hornet, 68 Ambassador or 66 Classics. The work very well
on the power assisted brake units in the Land Rover.

***************Bearings*******************************

Bearings - readily available - just take the old one with you.

***************Shocks************************************

Shocks -  U.S. replacements are Gabriel Gas Ryder Ltd Shocks for your machine.
The numbers are G63494 and G63299.  The longer ones go on the back.  David John
Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>

************ Diffs ********************************

Rover car diffs from the 1950's P4 range (90's, 100's etc.) drop
in.

************ U-joints ********************************

U-joints AEC Brand

AEC 521 HD       286    U-joint 2 15/16" across (late)
AEC 504         3092    U-joint 2 7/32"  across (early)

************ Engines ********************************
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Southern Engine transplants.
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:35:19 +0930 (CST)
Cc: lro@stratus.com (Land Rover Owners Group)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20]

Robin  writes:
> it never ceases to amaze me as to the possibilites of engine transplants
> that our southern hemisphere friends can put out! the mind boggles as to
> what they must have tried that didnt work!
none

Cant think of any commonly available powerplant that doesnt have an adaptor
plate available from someone, somewhere down under.
The ones I can think of off of the top of my head which I have seen at least
one of over the years include:

Holden (GM) 6cyl and V8  (most popular)
Chev V8
Valiant (chrysler) 225ci 6cyl, OZ 215, 245 & 265ci 6cyl, V8 (273,318)
Ford 6cyl (x-flow and non-x-flow), V8 (windsor fits really neatly)
Rover/Buick V8 and derivatives (inc 4.4L P76 V8)
Rover 3L 6cyl
Perkins diesels
Nissan diesels
Diahatsu diesels

There must be some that I've forgotten.  In addition there used to be an
after-market turbo kit for the 2.25 diesel.

Once saw a turbo 3.3L Holden six in an 88" , accelerated like a scalded cat,
but not much use otherwise.

****************Wipers*****************

The windshield wiper motors used on most
boats ( can get the name of mine if you want it) work great for the
rear wiper set up on the stationwagon.David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>

****************Alternators*************

The best alternator repalacement is the
Delcotron which has a built in regulator so you don't have to worry
about the condition of the old Land Rover one. They are readily
available at any junk yard in the US.David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>

****************Soft Tops*****************

Parts to make soft tops are
always available at boat top places. The nylon slides, clamps etc
fit regular conduit. To make the front attachment for the
windshield, go to a trailer shop and order a piece of aluminum
canopy track. It is the kind roap slides into on the side of a
trailer. It is better than the original because it is not only
waterproof, but winds wont get under it when you are on the
highway.David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>

For Range Rovers

***************Hoses********************

For Range Rovers, I know from experience that there is a Gates
flexible radiator hose that works for the top hose, but none for
the bottom (at least 89 up, with the t junction hose).

***************Misc**********************

RR - I noticed the door lock mechanism had a GM stamp on it when I had
mine apart recently.

RR - The electric seat controls alledgedly come from Mercedes, but I
doubt if the prices are much different from them.

RR - The air conditioning is a Sandia unit commonly used in many makes
in the US, and parts probably a lot cheaper from a/c shops than LR
dealers.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Eratta
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:30:54 UNDEFINED

/ Eratta

>I know this isn't directly Rover related, but it might interest a few
>members in the the UK.  Some friends just returned from a vacation in
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>a downwind landing anyway, overshot the runway and put the jet into a peat
>bog.  The impact apparently was enough to tear off the main gear and send

Lucky for his PR department that he crashed _on the way to_ visit the 
distillery.............

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        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 09:34:37 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Dr Drip

     I had the same problem...it turned out that air was leaking in from
    the fuel switch.
    Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com

Dear Doctor Drip

My rover has been stalling out in the most embarassing places!  When this
happens, sometimes I can restart it and return to full power by goosing the
gas pedal.  Other times it takes much much longer.  Funny thing is it always
idles okay but full power is unobtainable.  There does not seem to be a
pattern... happens when the engine is cold, sometimes after a bump,
sometimes only after a looong drive.

I've checked the fuel pickup tubes (yes - two tanks), the sediment bowl, and
fuel pump delivery rate.   I've replaced the fuel filter - the original
style mounted on the firewall.
Go figure Doc.  Waddaya think?   Is it the coil?  Is the weber carb a piece
of "kaka" suitable only for a lawnmower?

Signed

gasping for gas in beantown

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:14:56 -0400
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Pinion Nut

Anyone out there got a sure-fire way to remove a stubborn nut on the
end of a rear diff pinion shaft for a guy *without* air tools and 
(almost) with a hernia?

rd/nige^[[A
^[[A

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:40:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark <mar2@cnj.digex.net>
Subject: jory bell in CA

Does anyone have an address for JORY BELL IN CALIFORNIA??

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 14:36:26 EDT
From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas)
Subject: Hard Reliability Data on DIscovery

Gentle Readers:

Since the Discovery has been available for a while in the UK
(and elsewhere), has anyone come across any hard data on its 
reliability? I'm thinking of something like Consumer Reports 
frequency of repair information. (I've heard that Which is the
UK equivalent of Consumer Reports, but if there's any library
in Atlanta that subscribes, I haven't found it.)

I'd be happy to hear about personal experiences and subjective
information, but hard data (objective, unbiased, and of statistical
significance) would be best.

Thanks in advance,

_____________________________________________
Stephen Thomas   AT&T Tridom   (404-514-3522)
email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 15:09:24 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Vanishing fuel filter

Despite my attempts at a permanent gas tank when fitting a new one five
years ago (etched, lined with epoxy on the inside; 3 coats of Rustoleum, 2
layers of undercoating on the outside), it started leaking the other day.
Rust had penetrated one of the welded lap joints.  Drained the tank and
found the inside to be clean as a whistle, no sludge/debris/etc., but the
pickup tube was missing its filter gauze!  I mean *totally* gone as if
dipped in acid!  The tube itself was perfectly clean...just no remnants of
the filter, nor was there any trace of it in the tank.
I know that fuels are much more "aggressive" these days...but to the point
of consuming metal/bronze?!?  What addatives are responsible?  I do add
ReLead to each tank, so if no one else has experienced this problem, maybe
that compound is the culprit.

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    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 14:36:49 MST
From: DEBROWN@srp.gov
Subject: New car purchase decisions...

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist
       AM/FM - PAB204 X-3544 - Pager:8800 then 6486
SUBJECT: New car purchase decisions...
Any "wisdom" out there on dealer additions to a new vehicle purchase? By
this I mean the "Desert protection package" which supposedly protects
the dash and interior from cracking or fading for 5 years) or a "Clear
coat" process to protect the paint? Are these services worthwhile? A rip
off? can I do the same thing by coating the dash with Armorall and
scotchguarding the upholstery???

Any experience or knowledge about such things would be greatly
appreciated!

Thanks,

   ***   ****   ****      "Some men see things as they are and say why?
  *     *  *   *  *   I see things as they never were and say why not?"
   *   ****   ****
***   * *    *                                        -Robert Frost

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 16:06:03 MDT
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Jory Bell

No and I thought I would hear from him first, I owe
him some dollars for a taillight and gas cap hasp.
So Jory if you are reading the list let everybody
know your address and I will send you some money.

Roy

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 20:20:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Vanishing fuel filter

Re vanishing fuel filter.  For what it is worth, I attended a seminar on
motor boat engine rebuilding and the Merc. fellow said that they suggested
only Shell Gold, because the other gas types were pitting the metal in the
engine.  It sounds like something in unleaded gas really is as you say
"aggressive".  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:01:45 -0400
From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong)
Subject: Free Bat Fastard Stickers and more...

So folks,

I've got some Bat Fastard Stickers if anyone is interested.  I got them for 
free so of course I'll give them to you for free - well send me an 
appropriately sized stamped self-addressed envelope.  Just email me (NOT THE 
LIST - ME - jhong@haiku.com) first so I can reserve one for you and I will 
send you the snail mail address.  International folks can do that 
international coupon thing. 
The yellow and green window stickers are 12 inches long by 2.25 inches high. 
They have an outline of Bat and BAT FASTARD in large letters with "landrover 
spares" in smaller letters.  I've only got about six of these.  This sticker 
is kinda bold/loud so scouts honor that you will put this on your rover if 
you get it.

The round (3.75 inch) white stickers have a outline of Bat with "Bat Fastard 
Land Rover Spares" around the top. This is a bit more discrete.

I also have a few BFGoodrich window stickers that say "Equip for Grip".  If 
you have BFs and want one let me know.

BUT WAIT - THERE IS MORE!  I have some DAP stickers.  They are yellow with 
dark green print have a line drawing of a 109 and the Bearmach and Landrover 
emblems.

Don't get your knickers in a twist if I run out - you could always order 
something from Bat's  (A SHIRT! They say "I Know Bat Fastard"  it is a real 
crowd pleaser!) and ask them for stickers - they give them away liberally.

Free stuff frenzy!

 John Hong 
(jhong@haiku.com 617-625-9469 voice 623-5253 fax)

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Hard Reliability Data on DIscovery
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 21:55:45 -0600 (MDT)

Stephen Thomas asks about reliability data (consumer info) on the
Disco.

Here is what turns up in an online consumer database:

The 1994 Disco is reviewed in:

	Petersen's 4-Wheel & Off-Road
	May 1994
	p. 86-89, 92

The 1990 Disco is reviewed in:

	Off-Road
	Oct. 1990
	p. 26

	Car & Driver
	Apr. 1990
	p. 30-31

	Popular Science
	Feb. 1990
	p. 33

The one-line abstracts are unequivocally favorable, like "quite
possibly the best 4WD in the world".

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: 2.25 in Series 1's
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 15:08:50 EST

Hi all fellow Rover nuts,
                          I was wondering, if any of you out there in 
Roverland had any experianceses with putting 2.25's into a series 1.
I have just about finished putting my 2.25 diesel into my 86".  But when
I was putting the block in, I noticed that I could not use the wedge that
goes between the chassie and the engine mount (rubber) on the distributor
pump side without drilling the chassie, so I used one of a six cylinder 
(Rover of course), and now to my dismay, when I nearly have my brick on the 
road after over six months, I find out that I only have about 2mm clearance 
between the bell housing and the crossmember!!!!!

        I was looking through the parts manual last night, and was wondering
if the engine mount bracket off a 2 litre petrol or diesel fit, I know that
if the bracket off the 2l diesel bolts onto the block it should lift it
about an inch.  Also, there is no room in the engine bay to put an air cleaner,
as the one of a 2l will strangle the motor, and have had recomended to me
the air cleaner of a Furgie 240 tractor, has any-one had any experiance with
these, my only other option is to put a donaldson air cleaner on the wing, but
I do not wish to do so as I think it would be to easy for my to damage it,
and apart from the fact that they look stupid! where as I have been told that
I will be able to tuck the furgie air cleaner under the wing, and can run a 
snorkel off it.

Any opions of the above menchioned stuff (If it makes sense to you!) will
be eargerly awaited for!!!!!!!!!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 desiel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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