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1 | William Caloccia [calocc | 37 | [not specified] |
2 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 19 | Re: leather vs cloth |
3 | llevitt@idcresearch.com | 19 | Re: No subject given |
4 | llevitt@idcresearch.com | 41 | Re[2]: Leather seats vs. cloth... |
5 | CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR | 20 | Seats, etc. |
6 | David John Place [umplac | 24 | Re: baby generators |
7 | David John Place [umplac | 19 | Re: Leather seats vs. cloth... |
8 | Harry Greenspun [hgreens | 15 | BMW influence |
9 | brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo | 11 | Re: Leather seats vs. cloth... |
10 | brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo | 15 | Re: BMW influence |
11 | WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbi | 15 | leather vs. cloth |
Subject: Re: leather vs cloth Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 05:01:02 -0400 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com> Mike Dryfoos <mikedr@microsoft.com> writes: (Mike please post directly to the list at lro@team.net) I have leather seats in my Range Rover, and previously had cloth seats in my Toyota, and I prefer the leather. It is much easier to clean than cloth and more comfortable generally. I haven't found it excessively sticky. It is colder than cloth on a cold day, until your body heat warms it up. I don't have long enough experience to comment on durability. ---------- | Anyone out there have any opinions on which is better, (leather seats or | cloth)? ... owned leather, is it hot and "sticky"? How's the durability | over long times, (10-20 years)? How well does it wear with heavy use? | I live in Phoenix Arizona (USA) where it gets from around 17-122 degrees | Fahrenheit (-8 to 50 Celsius). ("Yeah, but it's a dry heat!!") | Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, I've had leather seats in my XR4Ti (it was 6 years old when I got it), and they need to be taken care of, especially in climates where it gets hot, as the leather will dry out and shrink and get harder, at which point, if you're lucky, the seams give out instead of the leather ripping. Maybe you've got a garage, and maybe you'll always park in the shade of a giant cactus, and you'll faithfully clean it with saddle soap and Lexol, and put up with the annoyance of it being slightly oily for a while afterward. The leather itself holds some heat, so maybe you'd better keep a towel 'bout for those hot days when you're wearing shorts. I can't recall finding it to be 'sticky' in the way that vinyl is 'sticky', and I'd certainly would get it again. -- Bill ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: leather vs cloth Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 11:59:23 BST Leather,every time.*Much* more comfortable IMO,shrugs off dirt better than cloth,too.I've had a good many cars in the past with leather upholstery,and I never had to do a thing except sit on it!Mind you, Texas this isnt,although I suspect Bill C's interceding with the weather has produced us a nice heat wave(well done Bill!). I wouldnt use saddle soap on it,though.I dont even use it on the saddle.The product I use is Connolly Hide Food.Keeps the leather nice and supple,but isnt tacky like saddle soap.I have a colleague who treats the seats in his Lotus with it about once a year,and the seats are like new.So is the saddle:-) Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: llevitt@idcresearch.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 07:16:19 EST Subject: Re: No subject given Russell writes: > she wants to take Nigel next time (haven't figured out just > how I'll get Nige into a 16' canoe, though). Uh, Russell, take a look at the Camel Trophy clips. Seems the key to floating a Land Rover is *real* *big* pontoons, a tiny motor and no current...<vbg> Lee "If it's got wheels I'll ride it" ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: llevitt@idcresearch.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 07:16:06 EST Subject: Re[2]: Leather seats vs. cloth... In message <199407141603.MAA08889@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov > Computer Graphics Specialist [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] > I live in Phoenix Arizona (USA) where it gets from around 17-122 degrees > Fahrenheit (-8 to 50 Celsius). ("Yeah, but it's a dry heat!!") > Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, I'm with TeriAnn regarding leather, I think...I'm also considering the Discovery and have found, with limited seat time, that the leather seats appear to fit slightly differently than the cloth. If I remember the leather seats also come with a leather wrapped steering wheel.. Personally I think that LR missed the boat on the seating on this vehicle. Overall its excellent, but it lacks lumbar and heating elements (not a big issue in Phoenix...) My solution is sheepskin seat covers -- warm in winter, cool in summer. I have a set on my 1988 Volvo, which uses Connolly hides just like the British cars, and the front seats, when I take the covers off to apply CB Hidefood, look brand new. The rear seats, which get light wear, are also in great shape. Overall leather stands up better to stains and abuse than cloth. Smells better too...I doubt you'll be taking the Disco into mud upto your gunwalls (I could be wrong, happened before) so getting creek water sloshed on the upholstery may not be an issue. Leather... Lee Levitt llevitt@idcresearch.com If it's got wheels I'll ride it... ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 09:41:07 EDT From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Subject: Seats, etc. With regard to the thread on leather vs cloth seats (I couldn't resist that pun!) here's a tip from Chris "the Badger" Laws of Badger Coachworks on seat care. The vinyl is kept in best condition with WD-40! Forget the Armor-All stuff...it looks good for a while but it makes the fabric brittle. It also attacks the stitching. Think about it - vinyl is essentially processed petroleum (with the molecules rearranged and all) and what better to keep it looking good than another petroleum product? *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:11:52 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA> Subject: Re: baby generators Re generators and sub zero temps. Does -40 rate as cold enough. I was talking to my friend a retired communications officer from the high Arctic (Resolute Bay) and they had no problems starting brigs and Stratton type engines but only if you use senthetic oil. It cost about $7.00 per quart up here, but it is the only thing to start a small engine on a gold day. The other thing we do is carry a spray bottle of starting fluid. You give a shot into the air breather and they pull away. Don't put too much in however or you will blow the heads off. It works real well in the Rover. In my climate I don't go anywhere with out starting spray, battery jumper cables and the special oil. By the way a battery blanket is probably more important than the block heater but of course we use both up here in winter. I noticed that my diesel has a calrod element from a water heater brazed into the oil pan. Not a bad idea, but I think I mentioned two days ago that the Volkswagon pan heater from a "Bug" is the best way to go. In Winnipeg lots of people use recirculating hot water heaters and they swear by them. They also heat the interior since the warm fluid circulates through the heater core as well as the block. Have a "cool" day Dave VE4PN in sunny Manitoba. At least at this time of the year it is about 75-80 (your numberss) in the day and like you I have a canvas top. Dave VE4PN ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:25:43 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA> Subject: Re: Leather seats vs. cloth... Hi Deb. I live in a climate where it goes from -40 to +40, and if I was ordering new I would use cloth but only if I bought a vehicle that I didn,t intend to take the top of. In hot weather you get a better cooling with the cloth and perhaps a bead seat pad, but in Winnipeg or Selkirk where I live, the dew is heavy in the morning because of the large heat difference and the cloth just gets too wet to use. The leather on the other hand can be wiped off with a cloth and you are able to drive away. My 64 has the black leather seats (deluxe type as they seem to be called) and they have lasted very well. The only problem I have noticed is that the seams rot after 15 years or so from being wet. They are colder in winter, but with a parka on that isn't a real problem. Lastly, cloth in a real off road machine seems a bit like putting lace curtains up for me but perhaps the resale will be better. Whatever you decide, I know you will enjoy your new vehicle. Cheers Dave VE4PN ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:30:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> Subject: BMW influence I'm still waiting on my Discovery, which gives me lots of time to ruminate over serious questions... What's the likelihood that the Buick engine will be replaced by a BMW in the near future? Is this a reasonable concern with profound implications for parts, sercice, reliability, etc., or am I just going nuts from anticipation? Still waiting, Harry ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 11:34:19 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: Leather seats vs. cloth... To put in my 2 cents worth -- I like them both -- but I think leather wears better than cloth and is better from the dirt standpoint. My 89 RR has leather and so far it still looks brand new inspite of many trips with children and extensive desert use. John Brabyn ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 11:44:52 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: BMW influence No ida! But there are now so many 3.9's around that I don't think you need to worry about parts etc. for a very long tim I hear the new RR due this fall has a 4.5 liter 32 valve engine but I don't know if it's derived from the old one or not. It most likely is, since JE engineering who developed the 3.9 and 4.2 now make a 4.5 based on the se old Buick mill. John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:18:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: leather vs. cloth I got one of the first 5 speed Discoverys--base model with cloth. Initially I Was disappointed not to get leather but the cloth has grown on me with time. For one thing, it suits the interior atmosphere of this car (which was designed in Europe as a "sporty lifestyle vehicle" interior by Conran design) which never had leather available as an option until it had been out for 4 years in Europe. It was designed with cloth in mind and, especially with the rubber floor mats, looks rugged, sporty, and quite stylish. Leather is for the country club and you really can live without it (this being my first car with out), plus in the summer it's much more comfortable since it's cooler. ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940716 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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