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1 DEBROWN@srp.gov 24Leather seats vs. cloth...
2 "P.T. Anderson" [nosredn14Re: Misc & Defender $$$
3 Spenny@aol.com 18list??
4 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak51Re: Leather seats vs. cloth...
5 S|ren Vels Christensen [33Re: ohhhh theee heattt


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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 09:04:59 MST
From: DEBROWN@srp.gov
Subject: Leather seats vs. cloth...

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist
       AM/FM - PAB204 X-3544 - Pager:8800 then 6486
SUBJECT: Leather seats vs. cloth...
Anyone out there have any opinions on which is better, (leather seats or
cloth)? I'm going to be ordering a Discovery within the next 2 months,
and would like some opinions (with your reasoning please). I've never
owned leather, is it hot and "sticky"? How's the durability over long
times, (10-20 years)? How well does it wear with heavy use?

I live in Phoenix Arizona (USA) where it gets from around 17-122 degrees
Fahrenheit (-8 to 50 Celsius). ("Yeah, but it's a dry heat!!")

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks,

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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 09:30:39 -0700 (MST)
From: "P.T. Anderson" <nosredna@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: Misc & Defender $$$

On Wed, 13 Jul 1994, Andrew Steele wrote:

> I called phone # previously posted for the Defender 110 w/ 12,000 miles.
> The damage is $45,000.  I asked the woman (her husband was out showing it) why
> they wanted to sell.  She said no reason in particular; they bought it as an
> investment, and like it enough that they are reconsidering selling it.

There has been a Defender advertised in AutoWeek for the last month.  It 
has 13K and they want $38,000(firm).  It is in California.

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 12:32:22 EDT
Subject: list??

Hi, i've stopped getting mail is there something wrong with me , or with the
list, i assume its me. so this is sort of a test.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 11:44:18 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Leather seats vs. cloth...

In message <199407141603.MAA08889@transfer.stratus.com>  writes:
> FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>        Computer Graphics Specialist
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> I live in Phoenix Arizona (USA) where it gets from around 17-122 degrees
> Fahrenheit (-8 to 50 Celsius). ("Yeah, but it's a dry heat!!")
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks,

Opinions?  Did someone ask if I had an opinion!

I have leather seats in my MGBGT and TR3.  I MUCH perfer them to the plastic 
alternatives for those models.  The do not get sticky like plastic does in the 
heat.  BUT you need to treat them well & feed them periodically.  If you don't 
the leather will dry up and crack.  It looks and feels bad at that point.

I've never much liked cloth.  Last one I had with cloth was a '56 Ford w a y 
back when.  It seemed to get dirty easily, stain easily and looked shabby.  I 
had diamond tuck plastic installed to replace it.

For a Land Rover I like nagrahyde.  It cleans up easily.  Water doesn't 
penitrate it easily (wax the seams) when you hose out the interior.

I'm not sure ether cloth or leather would really stand up to hard use.  When you
are taking your car across a shallow river or deep creek, and the water level in
the interior is half way up your seat cushon, you might appriciate leather 
because it takes longer to soak through than cloth and you may get out of the 
water before it soaks into the cushons.  

If your out in the desert or any real dusty location, the dirt will sit on the 
surface of the leather.  Fine dust can penitrate cloth and stay with you for a 
long time.

For a 4X4 that does real work or actually goes off the paved road, I like 
nagrahyde upholstry and rubber mats.  You cann't hurt them with dirt, water, dog
slobber, goat or goose droppings, hay can not work its way through the cloth 
weave, and its easy to care for with a hose and a scrub brush.

If you are just into status, there is nothing like leather.  And with some care 
it lasts a while and does not get stcky in heat. But it will not wick away sweat
like cloth would.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 23:46:42 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: ohhhh theee heattt

On 11 Jul 1994 /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com 
wrote:

> does anyone of you vetran rover goers know of any  remedy to dissipate the heat 
> created by the exhaust under my feet. it has been unbearable the last couple of 
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> area??? any help would be appreciated. thx
> ben series 69 iia swb

Well, over here in Denmark we have had a heatwave the past 2 or 3 days. I
drove to work this early evening. There is about 10 km to the air base. Like
you I sit on top of the exhaust plus the bulk radiates a lot of heat from the
engine. And my uniform trousers are made of wool!

I have a 2,25 petrol pulling a 109. Whether it's cold or hot, my temp needle
moves quite fast to N and stays there. Even in Copenhagen where there's less
than a car length between trafficlights.

Have you checked your radiator lately? Try to spray the radiator with a
hi-pressure cleaner FROM THE INSIDE AND OUT. Also loosen the drain screw
and open for a second or two over a white cloth. See if any sludge comes out.

If everything looks fine, have your instruments checked.

Good luck
Soren Vels
velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk
'76 109

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