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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Jory's burning rubber smell.
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:39:01 +0930 (CST)

> I am occasionally smelling what seems like a burning rubber smell,
> but I cannot find anything amiss.  Anyone have any ideas? I stopped
> several times and checked everything...

Try the drive-shaft (propellor shaft) slip-joint boots if you have them
installed, I've had old ones rub on the chassis during "high-speed" running.
They make a spectacular noise when they finally let go.

Other posibilities I can think of include exhaust hangers, assorted hoses and
wires, slipping fanbelt etc etc.

Best of luck.
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: This Oil Burning Thing
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 10:52:34 BST

I *have* seen an article wherein a Range Rover was converted to
battery power,but never a Land Rover.Environmental-wise(ugh!)
though,IMO electric power is nowt but a cop-out.It just shifts
the pollution to someone elses backyard,unless you are fortunate
enough to be able to site your power station in a desert or
something.Speaking as someone living in an overcrowded island,
within sight of three of the damned things,you can keep your
electric power.Anyone *that* bothered about the environment
should either walk or ride a horse,the latter being the ultimate
off-road "vehicle".
We dont get any better MPG out of our Rovers than anyone else,but
that said,the fuel costs make fuel saving devices,such as engine
pre-heaters,and electric fans that much more viable in terms of
payback for initial outlay.To some degree,it probably accounts for
the popularity of the diesel engine,too,for although the initial
cost is greater,the built in fuel economy is a great incentive.
It is also,whatever the politicions say,a btter bet environmentally.
Granted,it suffers from particulate emmissions,but its CO output in
virtually nil.
The *actual* cost of a gallon of petrol,or diesel come to that,is
probably much the same in England as it is in the USA.What makes it
expensive is what the dratted "government" takes out of it(or puts
on to it).Fuel tax,and riding piggy back on that,VAT.That is to say,
every gallon has a fuel tax on it,and on the *total* thus obtained goes
17.5% Value Added Tax.Leaded petrol is way,way,up,diesel next(for some
unexplainable reason)then unleaded petrol.The difference between leaded
and unleaded makes an unleaded cylinder head quite an attractive
proposition,particularly if you are doing high mileages.Which,of course,
is another factor.You can undertake trips in the States(cant you Ben?)
which would have you quite firmly on the sea bed over here.Unless,of
course you happened to be driving Dunsfold Land Rover Museum's flotation
equipped APGP S11.Complete with propeller on its propeller shaft.(Where
else?).I would hazard a guess that our average annual mileages are much
less than typical American mileages,simply because places here are closer
together.Doesnt mean you can actually *get* there any quicker,oh no,
although we *do* have roads built for the military,as I beleive US
interstate roads were intended for?The difference is that *our* military
roads were built for *Roman* armies in about 5AD.
The best bloke to comment on that,though,is Bill C,who has been over here
for a cuople of months now,and who is therefore fully qualified to compare.
How about it Bill? I for one would be interested in your impressions.
As a matter of record,we are,I think,one of the few,if the only country
to reguarly use electric vehicles.They are called milk floats.They also
have the unique distinction fo being the only thing on the road that a   
2.25 diesel Land Rover can easily overtake.Which tells you a lot about
electric vehicles.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: marcus@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Subject: Re: MOT's and the Road Rolls On.
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:02:32 +0000 (BST)

> Steering must not have excessive play at the steering wheel,currently
> 1-2" free play,I beleive...

For vehicles with steering boxes, rule is 75mm regardless of the type of 
vehicle or the diameter of the steering wheel (which is a nuisance, since any 
given degree of angular play will translate into a greater degree of linear 
play with increasing wheel diameter...)

> But if it aint there,they cant test it,there is as yet no law that forces 
you > to carry a spare.

Are you sure?  I've a nasty feeling that carrying a spare wheel is 
compulsory...

> Older petrol engines are exempt from this(I forgrt *how* old)...

Pre-1974.

As for the schedule - for the princely sum of 16 pounds or thereabouts, HMSO 
(Her Majesty's Stationery Office - an official bookshop, for non-UK readers) 
will sell you a copy of the MOT testers manual - it's all in there, albeit 
phrased rather dryly.

Marcus. 

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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 9 Jul 94 00:01:03 GMT
Subject: Ben & Jory & Roy

Ben, 

I'll take a guess and assume you have a '72 Series III.  As far as I know, all 
of the '72s (in the US at least) have a solid plate between the dash vents and 
the passenger compartment to direct the vent air up to the windsheild.  
Unfortunately, this kills all of the cooling air to the occupants of the 
Rover.  I've seen some folks cut large rectangles in this plate (which works) 
and others where the dash was dissasembled and the plate removed (best but a 
big pain).  I may be off the mark in interpreting what you've described but I 
hope this gives you some ideas.  Oh, in '73 the plate was discarded or holes 
were made in it, I'm not sure which. 

By the way, when are you due back in NJ? 

none
	As another note when I visited Ben Freeman and saw hos Rover I noted 
that under the dashboard on his Series II I there were three holes (about 3in 
by 4 in) that were open to the vents.  My Rover has no sign of these. Jory's 
Rover also has these vent holes.  I thought that those holes would be really 
useful for driving in hot conditions (like by the Salton Sea or LA as I drove 
out (105 + degrees!)) So is this normal for early North American SIIIs?  (Mine 
is the ~400th US SIII.  
	In anycase I decided that I wanted these vent holes, so I used Jory's 
dremel tool and cut two of the three holes before darkness forced me to end 
for the night. >> 

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Jory, 

The first thing that comes to mind is that your parking brake shoes are 
rubbing against the drum and drum and shoes and oil and rubber start to cook. 
I had this happen in my 109 occasionally until I replaced and adjusted the 
return spring on the linkage (there was none).  Just an idea. 

>> Jory: 

Since I have to be in SF be monday, I've been pushing it (17 hours of uphill 
driving yesterday). The rover's been running pretty well, but I think I would 
enjoy some supplement to the uypper end power for climbing hills 
(turbocharged? gerbils in wheels? etc...) 

I am occasionally smelling what seems like a burning rubber smell, but I 
cannot find anything amiss.  Anyone have any ideas? I stopped several times 
and checked everything... >> 

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Roy, 

As for Rover names, I haven't come up with one for my 88 yet.  My 109 is 
"Lory".  Kind of a cross between a British truck and my ex-girlfriend Laurie. 
 Lory may not be quite as exciting a ride as Laurie, but Lory never complains, 
is more fun on trips, doesn't cost me quite as much, and treats me better than 
Laurie.  The only thing that Laurie had over Lory is that she didn't have any 
lubrication problems.  She got married a few years ago, and all I can say is 
that it's better him than me.  I'll have to work on the 88 name. 

Bill 

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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:27:46 -0400
From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong)
Subject: there I go again

"Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> write:

>Sure, switch to a TDi !  (Oh no, there goes John Hong again...)

TDI! TDI! TDI!  

 John Hong 
(jhong@haiku.com 617-625-9469 voice 623-5253 fax)

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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 09:13:56 -0500
From: hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (Harry Greenspun)
Subject: Should I buy the Discovery?

   I'm looking for some advice.  I have always wanted a Land Rover and was
delighted to see the introduction of the Discovery in the U.S.  It appears
to be far better than other SUV's, given its off-road ability and safety
features.
   While I'm waiting (and waiting, and waiting) for one to arrive at the
dealer, I would like to get some feedback on the vehicle concerning ride,
reliability, service, etc.  I'd also like to know what accessories people
recommend.

Thanks,
Harry

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: MOT's and the Road Rolls On.
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 14:46:08 BST

Thanks,Marcus,I ought to have asked you about how to get
a copy of the schedule weeks ago.No-one I *did* ask thought
it was available.Most of them mechanics!
I'm 90% certain there isnt any law about spare wheels being
carried,but I seem to remember vaguely something about having
radials on the road and croos-plies on the spare,or vice-versa,
which seems sensible.
Difficult thing for the fuzz to check up on in most cases,without
them getting the pretty blue uniform all yucky!
Cheers
Mike

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Subject: Fourfold bound mail...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 94 09:21:59 -0500

        'tis easier this way...  A site higher up has bounced all
        fourfold-bound mail from Monday to this morning.  (They
        have been updating the maps for the first time in a year
        and OCUnix is a huge uucp domain in the National Capital
        Region, with a lot of cross-feeds and redundencies etc.)

        If anyone had sent mail to any users (ie: Robin, Dale, Dave,
        Ted, Rob, Fred, Yves, Michel, etc) on this system, it would not
        have arrived, and probably bounced back (This includes the LRO
        mailing list from Monday am on to the last six messages).

        Please resend.

        Thx

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 10:17:57 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  SF Bay Area get together?

That might be a good place.

John

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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 13:32:06 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Various subjects, replies

FWIW- Land Rover has just announced a new powerplant for us on this side of
the pond to covet: the 300 Tdi.  If it is a good as the earlier version, it
should be a real winner.

BTW- The "Highlander" name is "owned" by Volvo who were going to use in for
an off-road freight hauler.  Unless Rover has bought the rights, the new
vehicle name will be something else.  "Pegasus" is being used for the prototypes.

Jory (writing from Roy's) asks about an occasional burning rubber smell
with nothing apparently amiss. (I'd describe it more as that of a
smoldering match head.)  I worried about the same thing...until I realized
that it was coming from passing vehicles, especially ones flogging the
engines hard and dumping fuel into overheated catalytic converters.

Harry G. writes about waiting for a new Disco.  I went mud bogging in one
two weeks ago and the performance of that machine (even on with
non-aggressive tires) is amazing.  Best four wheel drive I had ever driven,
that is, until I swapped and drove the 90!  About the only place you
couldn't drive it is up the face of an overhanging sand dune!

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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From: whitmerm@netcom.com (Mark Whitmer)
Subject: Land Rover Mailing List
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:38:10 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings.  A message was posted recently in rec.autos.tech that one 
should send mail to this address (land-rover-owner@stratus.com) to join 
the mailing list.  As you might have guessed, I wish to do so.  My email 
address is "whitmerm@netcom.com".  

Thanks,
Mark Whitmer
whitmerm@netcom.com

--
"It's a shame that a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a 
pack of wild dogs." - Unknown

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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:55:02 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Gidion's

Ludovico,

  Can you help me find out if this company still exists, so that I can get
some parts.

        Air-Camping
        Gidion's
        Milano (Italy)
        Via Archimede, 101
        tel 723.196

  I have a tent, made by above, that attaches to the top of my Rover, and
unfolds so as to sleep up away from prowling lions and creeping crawlers.

  I bought this tent used and have no idea how it got to the US. There is a
picture of a 109 displaying two of these tents in "...Work Horse of The
World". 

Regards, Bill G.

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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 22:48:32 -0400
From: Andrew Steele <ad158@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject: 300Tdi in the US?

Sandy,  

Please, please, please tell us more about the availabilty of the 300Tdi
engine.  I drove such equipped Defender 110 and Disco on Land Rover's
Experience courses back in April.  A truely wonderful engine.  (Much nicer
than the petrol in my 87 RR)

Anyway, I've made it a habit to call Land Rover in Md every so often to
"inquire" about the availability of the 300Tdi.  Coinciddentally, I called
earlier today before seeing your note. 

The answer I got was not at the current time, but the woman promised to check
with Engineering to see if any tests are in process to certify the engine with
the EPA. She will be calling me back Monday.  This was enough to get me
excited anyway.  Every previous call has been answered with something like "In
the US, there is no demand for Diesel Engines; therefore we will not be making
any effort to import such.  [Hence the reason I call every couple of months--
don't want them to forget about us diesel lovers]

Now the tragedy, to afford a Defender 110, I would have to wait until some
used ones show up on the market.  I would perfer a 90; but my dog (Great Dane)
I am sure would perfer the 110.  Incidently, if anyone stumbles onto an
available LWB diesel, please let me know.

Andrew Steele
Dayton, Ohio

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