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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: 2 wheel rolling road?
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 08:49:46 UNDEFINED

>transfer case in 1989, replacing the LT320 or whatever it's called
>which is still used in other models. It seems to work pretty effectively
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>manually! As you say, RRs before 89 (in the US) had the manual lock too.
>I don't know when they switched in the UK but it may have been after 89.

Damn! Should have waited longer to get my 90!

The question that now springs to mind is - if theyve gone for viscous central 
diff, why didnt they do the job properly and put em on both axles as well. 
Or were they just being humane to the competition?

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:45:09 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: A Landrover ride. "Inclinometers"!

I've got a couple of those inclinometers, and I agree that it's not the 
best thing to be looking at when driving off-highway (that's my 
girlfriend's job), but they are interesting, and living here in The City 
(San Francisco, Ca) the one on the side provides some interesting 
information (and can be somewhat distressing when you know you have to work 
the clutch sitting on a 22 degree hill with a beemer sitting on your tail.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:45:06 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: SF Bay Area get together?

Since it sure seems like there are a *lot* of Land Rovers here in the Bay 
Area, maybe we should plan a picnic or BBQ or something so we can all get 
together and meet each other?  

Being a City boy, I'd prefer somewhere in SF, but I would show up in the 
east bay as well.

Any thoughts?  
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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:44:52 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Standard CB Channel?

Okay, so you're speeding down the freeway in 4th Overdrive, and there going 
the other way is another Land Rover that you've never seen before.  So you 
switch on the CB and start interrupting conversations on all channels 
trying to get the attention of this person.  But they're on channel 40 and 
you start off on 1...

Is there a standard Land Rover CB Channel?  When up in the desert with 
Scotty, we used channel 7, and at the national rally 2 years ago, we used 
ch 4 & 7.  

If there is a standard channel, what is it, and if not maybe we should pick 
one?  (7 sounds good to me.  That's what I've been using.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:45:12 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Names

I've not really settled on a name for my 109" yet...   I thought of "Judas, 
a chariot", but that was voted down...  "The 5-cent beast" was liked, but 
seems a bit unwieldy (that story will show up in the Aluminum Workhorse one 
of these days).  I kinda like Monticello, both because my nickel mishap and 
because I'm a big fan of TJ, but I think that's kinda presumptious, no?  

So far, it's been INDY 1, as that's what the plates say.  

Haven't even started to think of a name for my 88".  (Have to wait until 
the battle for possesion between my brother and girlfriend is settled 
first.)  

If it's any help, the Chevy Van I used to have (and loved) was named Sweet 
Pea...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu,  7 Jul 1994 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How about the Land Rover Defender

Some people just have no idea:

>Defender 90 is smaller and has a soft top.  Basically, the Defender 90
>is a large Jeep (CJ/Wrangler Style).  When I was at the dealership, the
>salesman described the Defender 90 as "a Jeep on steriods."  This
>description is somewhat accurate.

Put Quite simply, Land Rover outclasses any thing else on this Planet.
Bar none.
nuff said
Jon

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:42:57 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Sign.

Michael Bertrand writes:

> Well, hello everyone! Just got home from a great Rover shopping day. 
> Went to Rover's North and bought a whole bunch of goodies (they have 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>         I'm thinking of installing it on the ceiling in my bedroom right 
> over my bed. Hmmmm, I wonder what my girlfriend will say.

Sounds like a great idea!  Make sure she knows what's *really* important!

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Uncle Roger                          "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:45:23 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: This Oil Burning Thing

> In my experience, of my visits, teh fuel is so much cheaper than EUROPE, 
> AND THE INCOMES FOR A PARTICULAR JOB ABOUT TWICE AS GREAT IN REAL TERMS 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> completely happy with 15mpg from a car that would bankrupt us!
> Fuel costs are so trivial as not to be a concern.

I wouldn't say we're "completely happy" with 15mpg...  Some of us do care 
about the environment.  Unfortunately, though, Land Rovers do get about 
10-15mpg... or do they?  

I'm sure that if you guys on that side of the pond have to pay a lot more 
for petrol, you must get your gas mileage pretty high up.  How do you do 
it?  Any tips on improving gas mileage?  

And while I'm thinking about it...  Has anyone ever heard of a Landie being 
converted to electric?  I'm thinking about this fate for an 88" for 
commuting...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:44:55 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Advice?

T. F. Mills writes:

> Speaking as the owner of the fastest Rover in the West (1966 109"),
> I'd say don't even think of getting by without overdrive if you plan
> on much highway driving (unless, of course, you have all time in the
> world and don't mind dirty looks as you hold up traffic much as a
> tractor would).

How fast does yours go?  What kind of engine do you have?  My '59 109" 
cruises comfortably at about 70;  I could probably get it up to 75 on a 
steep downhill.  I know of a guy with a V-8 in a sIII 88" that has 
reportedly done over 100mph.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 09:26:09 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: SF Bay Area get together?

In message <199407071445.AA00692@crl2.crl.com> Roger Sinasohn writes:
> Since it sure seems like there are a *lot* of Land Rovers here in the Bay 
> Area, maybe we should plan a picnic or BBQ or something so we can all get 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                               

A LAND ROVER meet in a CITY????  I can just picture a line of off road cars 
sitting along Van Ness, or at Fisherman's warf.

How about moving it a little outside the city?  say San Gragario beach?

I can see it now, a circle of Land ROvers with the barbees cooking away in Fan 
Francisco's famed china town, followed up by a little off roading through the 
Golden Gate park rare plant collection ;^)

I'll be camping out of my Land Rover along the Oregon coast between July 16 and 
24 (out taking pictures).  I will be happy to join in in a local Land Rover meet
any other time outside a big city.

Slight change of subject.  Land Rover is the featured Marque at the Portland All
British Field meet on the labour day weekend.  I will be car camping up a couple
of days ahead of the meet.  Anyone South of Portland interested in going to the 
meet as a group?

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 07 Jul 1994 09:49:49 PDT
From: Bret Marquis (via RadioMail) <bam@radiomail.net>
Subject: 90 RR thoughts

Hello Folks..

I have a 90 Range Rover with 65k miles.  Its had some minor problems over the 4
years I've had it.  A few bizarre electrical problems during the first couple
of months (with the cruise control on, driving at exactly 61mph, the air
conditioning compressor would shut off - replaced computer).  Otherwise no
major out of pocket expenses. Land Rover did endear themselves to me by
replacing the transmission a couple of months ago at mostly their expense 30k
miles out of warranty (first shift of the day was slow).

I've been considering trading it in on a newer vehicle.  The new RR at $54k
does not appeal to me and the other models don't seem like a step up.

My concerns are mostly maintenance ones.. If I continue using the one I have
off road, am I likely to start seeing major expenses on a regular basis?  Whats
real world expectations for the next 5-8 years?

Pointers and thoughts appreciated..

Bret Marquis
bam@bang.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 11:52:43 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  SF Bay Area get together?

Sounds like a good idea -- but having it in a civilized place like the City
might not be optimal???

John

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:31:51 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re:  SF Bay Area get together?

How about a beach on the pennisula or one of the East Bay parks? Chabot,
Sunol, Mt. Diablo? No wait,! The Pelican Inn at Muir Beach! it's a real,
genuine, British pub.

R, Bill G.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:22:41 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Serial Numbers

Gang,

Is there someone out there in Roverland that can give me the year of
manufacture for these serial numbers? My manual stops at 1961.

244 07108a    (registered as 1964)

244 19257B     ?

I know the 244 is; SIIa 88 export.

Regards, Bill G.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 13:37:46 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  90 RR thoughts

Another thought would be to trade it in on a newer but still used RR such as a 92
92 with low miles? Personally if it is used off road I'd stick to the non-swaybar
models such as the 91 Hunter or 92 regular (non-County) model but your
preference may be different.

Supposedly in 91 (I think) they replaced many of the lucas sensors with
Siemens ones to increase reliability. 

I can understand the price of the new RRs being a bit off-putting -- they are 
certainly way out of the question for me! I am hanging on to mine until it
dies!

Another factor in considering a new one is that I know there is a new RR model about to
coming out at the Birmingham Motor Show this October (4.5 liter 32 valve engine,
rounder body shape but same basic chassis) and some people might wish to
wait for the model change -- the first major one in 24 years. Personally,
from the photos I've seen they've spoiled the look of the vehicle by
making it too much like all the other sport utilities -- pretty boring.

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, Ca
89 RR

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 13:42:06 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: SF Bay Area get together?

I second TerriAnn's suggestion about not having it at Fisherman's Wharf.

John Brabyn
Mill Valley

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Date: 07 Jul 94 17:11:16 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Names

 >I've not really settled on a name for my 109" yet...   I thought of "Judas, 
 >a chariot", but that was voted down...  "The 5-cent beast" was liked, but 
 >seems a bit unwieldy (that story will show up in the Aluminum Workhorse one 
 >of these days).  I kinda like Monticello, both because my nickel mishap and 
 >because I'm a big fan of TJ, but I think that's kinda presumptious, no?
 >
 >So far, it's been INDY 1, as that's what the plates say.
 >
 >Haven't even started to think of a name for my 88".  (Have to wait until 
 >the battle for possesion between my brother and girlfriend is settled 
 >first.)
 >
 >If it's any help, the Chevy Van I used to have (and loved) was named Sweet 
 >Pea...
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 >Uncle Roger
 >sinasohn@crl.com   

If the Chevy was 'Sweet Pea', how about calling the 109 "Ol' Sour-Dough" ?
(:->

Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen

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Date: 07 Jul 94 17:11:10 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: This Oil Burning Thing

 >I'm sure that if you guys on that side of the pond have to pay a lot more 
 >for petrol, you must get your gas mileage pretty high up.  How do you do 
 >it?  Any tips on improving gas mileage?  
 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >Uncle Roger
 >sinasohn@crl.com  

Sure, switch to a TDi !  (Oh no, there goes John Hong again...)

Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen

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Date: 07 Jul 94 17:11:21 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: diff locks,coil suspension

Craig Murray from Down Under <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
wrote:

>To fit coil springs would be a major hassle, first I would have to find
>a Rangie chassie, and the money to buy it, then I would need to cut it up to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>when he fitted his v8.  In Australia, and modifications have to be checked out
>by an engineer.

In England someone makes galvanized ready converted 'rolling' coil-sprung
chassis (i.e. with axles, wheels, brakes, springs etc. fitted) for series III
Landies (I suppose by drilling a few extra holes you could just as well fit
a S.IIa) for around 3,000.- GB-Pounds.

Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen
Wiesbaden, Germany

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From: llevitt@idcresearch.com
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 94 17:16:43 EST
Subject: Re[2]: 90 RR thoughts

John writes:

> Another factor in considering a new one is that I know there is a new RR model
> about to coming out at the Birmingham Motor Show this October (4.5 liter 32
> valve engine, rounder body shape but same basic chassis) and some people might
> wish to wait for the model change -- the first major one in 24 years.

This new model is positioned above the current Rangey. Can't imagine what 
they're going to charge for it...

However, the changes to the current Rangey (dash, airbags, etc) and the new 
models being introduced, both the Highlander (rumored name) and the Discovery 
have an effect on prices of late model used cars. '92s and '93s are going cheap 
in my area! Everyone wants to upgrade to the latest and greatest...good news for
the few of us on a budget...

Lee

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: diff locks,coil suspension 
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 9:08:11 EST

> Craig Murray from Down Under <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
> wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
> LROC of Hessen
> Wiesbaden, Germany

        You would not need to change the chassie at all to get a series IIA
body to fit, as they are the same, but I own and 86" series 1, and there are
big differences in chassies to the later vehicles.  ie. I would have to cut
(never never never never!!!!!!!) the bulk head and put later model pedals in,
and I would have to fit a hydrolic clutch like the series II. 
And still you need the money to buy it.

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
Land Rover Owners Club of Victoria Inc.                 2.25 Desiel (Soon!)
mail: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: diff locks,coil suspension
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 9:20:51 EST

> Craig Murray from Down Under <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
> wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
> LROC of Hessen
> Wiesbaden, Germany

        I think the series IIA body will fit on a series III chassie, but
a series 1 has a snow flakes chance in hell of fitting onto a series III
chassie with out modification, especially since mine is an 86".  Some of the
major differences are, the clutch on a series 1 is mechanical.  The pedals 
are set up so that you push them down onto the floor (feels weird at first) 
which twists a shaft that go through one of the main bearers of the chassie 
and straight into the bell housing, so there would be major work needed in 
that area, as well as the fact that a series 1 is a couple of inches thinner 
than the later models.  Besides, if it has coil springs, it would not be a
series 1, and the engineer would make me put seat belts in!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
Land Rover Owners Club of Victoria Inc.                 2.25 Desiel (Soon!)
mail: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: How about the Land Rover Defender
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 10:57:51 +0930 (CST)

Jon Writes: 
> Some people just have no idea:
 
No Kidding!

> >Defender 90 is smaller and has a soft top.  Basically, the Defender 90
> >is a large Jeep (CJ/Wrangler Style).  When I was at the dealership, the
> >salesman described the Defender 90 as "a Jeep on steriods."  This
> >description is somewhat accurate.
none

90's are not available in OZ to my knowledge (OK Craig correct me now :-)
An ex pat pom in the local LR Register has a 3.9efi auto 90 ute.  This thing
is truely awesome.  Granted he knows how to drive it.

At a club run a month or so ago he got bored with  "follow the leader" and
took a short cut...   Straight up the side of the quarry wall.  I could not
have walked up this thing.  Loose gravel and clay, washouts, side slope  no
problem!   What about the ~2 foot (60cm) vertical bit in the middle???   No
problem either, bury the throttle just before it then lift right off, 90
rises on coils, "jumps" the lip, then back on the throttle and over the top.
 

Now I'd like to have seen a jeep try that.

After the rest of us picked up our jaws one of the younger less conservative
(more stupid??) members tried it in an 88.  With a big run up, lots of wheel
spin and a big slide to the left about half way up (couldnt jump the lip) he
made it ... Just.  The rest of us were left wondering why the '88 hadnt rolled!

> Put Quite simply, Land Rover outclasses any thing else on this Planet.
> Bar none 

Showing my bias I'll second that.

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: How about the Land Rover Defender
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 12:05:15 EST

> Jon Writes: 
> > Some people just have no idea:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 42 lines)]
> -- 
>   Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

Actually you are correct, but I have seen some one driving one around
Melbourne, which the dude probably imported.  I have heaps of rumors
that the ninty is coming out to Australia, including way back in
1986.  Personally I think that it is stupid that the 90 has not
been released in Australia.  Australia is so desperate for the 90
that I have seen 3 home made 90's.  I have heard a rumor that they are going to
be released late this year or early next year, but I wouldn't hold my breath
if I was you.

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
Land Rover Owners Club of Victoria Inc.                 2.25 Desiel (Soon!)
mail: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 21:41:48 MDT
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Isolated Ground

Michel,

I do beleive that your comparisions to other Rovers
is valid.  All the electrical theory I learned made me 
start questioning how the wiring is grounded.  And started
me thinking about the isolated ground that the phone
industry uses.  I don't think changing the positive
ground was really needed, but considering the alternator
you re-fitted it was clearly the right thing to do.

You did just what I will be doing with my 62.  When the
new/old frame goes under her, all new wiring goes in also.
My other two will just have to get along with better grounds
and some being isolated.  Working on that with the 58 right
now.  Anything other than how Lucas originally had it will
be an improvement.

The stronger sound from your starter is not an illusion.  If
you got under there and measured the amps going to it I am
sure it would be a higher reading than a non-isolated ground
Rover.  Luminisity is indeed a word but is usually used in ref.
to the amount of light an object reflects.

Go show on your wire job.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - Montana the Big Sky Country.

PS - Your email address bounced for me.  I was also considering
a main battery cut out.  Just a thought.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 23:58:36 MDT
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Gretting From the Travelers

Hello folks,

Ben has made it to Montana and sitting next to me.
And Jory  made it late last night and is sitting on 
my left.

So far so good for me (this is Ben).  The Rover is
running well despite being so loaded.  Just about every
large bump (like the boundary between some bridges and the`
firm ground) results in a resounding thump as the axle hits 
the frame (and a groan from me).  I'm really considering
replacing the rear 88 springs with 109 or  military springs.
I'm not really carrying all that much mass.  (6 passengers 
would weigh more). 
	As another note when I visited Ben Freeman and 
saw hos Rover I noted that under the dashboard on his
Series II I there were three holes (about 3in by 4 in)
that were open to the vents.  My Rover has no sign of these.
Jory's Rover also has these vent holes.  I thought that those
holes would be really useful for driving in hot conditions
(like by the Salton Sea or LA as I drove out (105 + degrees!))
So is this normal for early North American SIIIs?  (Mine is 
the ~400th US SIII.  
	In anycase I decided that I wanted these vent holes,
so I used Jory's dremel tool and cut two of the three holes
before darkness forced me to end for the night.

Jory:

Since I have to be in SF be monday, I've been pushing it (17 hours
of uphill driving yesterday). The rover's been running pretty well,
but I think I would enjoy some supplement to the uypper end power for
climbing hills (turbocharged? gerbils in wheels? etc...)

I am occasionally smelling what seems like a burning rubber smell,
but I cannot find anything amiss.  Anyone have any ideas? I stopped
several times and checked everything...

After driving 31 hours in 2 days, arriving at Roy's (with
it's ever-exciting concept of showerage) was a godsend.
After regaining some semblance of cleansed humanity, we
talked rovers, and l;ater Roy showed us his collection of 3
rovers, including his 1958 ser I 88" He also has two garages,
which seems kind of criminal to someone who is looking forward
to someday having a driveway!

Anyway, I'll ber trying for SF in the next couple days, with a
brief stop at the salt flats (we'll see how fast the rover goes on
the flats... probably no land speed records...).

-jory/ben/roy

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