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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: tires
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 6:15:31 MDT

I have installed 230/70 r16 BF goodrich tyres on mine, and have
not had any issues. I did have it off road in Big Bend Texas
and they performed well.

Russ
> other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers? 

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none
> other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers? 
> John

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 09:53:41 +0100
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Subject: Re: tire advice
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 08:55:54 -0500

Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> writes:

> My advice on tires????  DONT LET MIKE L. DRIVE YOUR TRUCK!!!!!!
> (just kidding folks,I would have blown all 4..Mike is an"ace" driver,it
> was me shouting"GO! GO! FLOOR IT!!!!!....)

        So, I gather that you enjoyed the Birthday Party... :-)

        Next year, to save on the time that was spent at some of the mud
        holes, and assuming that we use Dolan's property again (the
        swimming hole makes it very appealing) the heavy off-road will
        be done in one of several fashion.

        1.  Vehicles like Harry's will be politely suggested to stick
            to the light off-road that we did Sunday morning.  Some
            vehicles are just too heavy (Harry with 1/2" plate welded
            around his frame, though not on the front horns), or just
            not prepared with inadequate tires (Earnie by his own
            admission.
        2.  People will be told that if they do go on the heavy off-road,
            expect damage.  While every effort is made to keep things
            nice and safe for us and our vehicles, shit happens.
        3.  The mud run, assuming thirteen vehicles again, will go in
            one of three formats, which one to be determined at the time
            depending on the condition of the course:
            a.  All vehicles with winches go first.  The first vehicle
                winches itself through, and then stays and helps all
                of the following vehicles through.  A disadvantage now
                that you have a winch in the back, but...
            b.  Go in groups of four vehicles, a vehicle with a winch
                in the front of the other three.  It gets through, pulls
                the rest through.  The three following vehicles pull
                off into the woods to allow the winch vehicle back in
                front.
            c.  The vehicles with winches leave 1/2 hour in advance.  They
                set themselves up, one per off-road hazard.  The disadvantage
                here is that the driver of a vehicle has to sit around for a
                while.

        So, what are your impressions of the little gathering?  Might as
        well get Russell's too (See, we didn't have a BMW pull... :))

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: RE: tires
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 08:08:00 PDT

>While on the subject of tires, has anyone had experience with anything
>other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers?

I've had good luck running 215/85-R16 Bridgestone Mud Duellers on mine. 
 They faired well in an recent LRO tire comparison (early '93?).

John Rostykus
john@Data-IO.com

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: RE: tires
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:26:57 UNDEFINED

>>While on the subject of tires, has anyone had experience with anything
>>other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers?

I have had Goodyear Wranglers on for the last 35000 miles, and it looks like 
they'll stil be there in another 350000 since they still have 8mm tread 
on em!!!!! They are adequate off road for mild occasional stuff, and I cant 
fault em on the road - particularly with that wear rate......

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 09:30:42 -0600
From: Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com>
Subject: Re: rovers in new zealand

Thank you, David, for posting those NZ Land Rover prices.  The most  
expensive LR you listed was US$3025.00.  This Sunday in the Salt Lake  
Tribune there was a Series IIa 109 Station Wagon in average condition  
for US$8500.00, and that was the first LR that I've seen advertised  
in Utah in over three years.  So, you can see that both price and  
availability point to New Zealand.

The one that caught my eye was the "1964 LWB H/top, execellent  
condition for $3750."  That is exactly the sort of vehicle that I'm  
looking for.

I'm calling around to travel agents and auto transport companies to  
get pricing on airline tickets and shipping.  Hopefully, the budget  
will allow an exotic car safari soon.  Of course, it is winter in New  
Zealand right now, isn't it?...

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 08:33:52 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Bash

    TeriAnn wasn't the only person who was tired of the 'beer' discussion
    going on...she was only the 'vocal' one.  The rat hole that developed
    about 'beer' had noting to do with Land Rover's and was a waste of
    internet bandwith for those of us who are on this list for Land Rover
    information/adventures.
    Bruce Harding

Now, as a side note... TeriAnn... quit complaining about all the banter about
the beer. It's an important subject to our neighbors in the north. No matter
how deep the trucks got mired or how slow the winches moved you could always
count on someone to say "How about a beer, eh." Granted, we only went 7/10 of
a mile in 7 hours but everyone did have a good time.

Cheers...
Mike Loiodice

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:23:55 -0700 (MST)
From: "P.T. Anderson" <nosredna@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: tires

On Mon, 20 Jun 1994, John Brabyn wrote:

> While on the subject of tires, has anyone had experience with anything
> other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers? 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers? 
> John

I replaced the OEM tyres with 225/75-R16 Wrangler ATs.  They handle 
better offroad then the Michelins did.  The tread wear has been better, 
but I got the Load D rather than the Load C.

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From: "Bryan White" <brywhite@quagmire.corp.sgi.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 11:16:18 -0700
Subject: Tires

Has anyone tried to put 31x10.5x16 B.F Goodrich Mud Terrains on
a Range Rover?

I wonder what happens to ride quality? (on road?)

How about a set of 33x12.5x16 Super Swamper TSL's with 12"x16"
alloy wheels, fender flares and a 4" Suspention Lift?

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Date: 21 Jun 94 15:55:53 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Parts, serial number

 > frame and the number is 244364266 not 144 as I mentioned in another
 > letter. If you can check out the year for me I would appreciate it. I

Howdy,

it so happens that we are in possession of a complete stack of genuine
old British Leyland microfilms picked up at a bankruptcy auction (they
were stashed away in the drawer of a desk we took along!). So, courtesy of
(now defunct) BRANDO Automotives of Holland, here are the details for
your serial number #244364266 :

* 1964 ser.IIA 88" swb (non-station) 4 cyl.petrol lh-drive export version *

Will that do?

    So long,

Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen
Wiesbaden, Germany

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Date: 22 Jun 1994 11:26:31 +1200
From: DAVID DEAN <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: RE: rovers in new zealand

>From:           Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com>
<snip>

>I'm calling around to travel agents and auto transport companies to  
>get pricing on airline tickets and shipping.  Hopefully, the budget  
>will allow an exotic car safari soon.  Of course, it is winter in New  
>Zealand right now, isn't it?...

Tie-down (open) shipping is usually less expensive than containers so you 
might check those options.  Yep, its winter.....I went skiing yesterday 
and may go back tomorrow.

Cheers,

------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) -------
----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) -----------
--- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ----

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:50:43 -0400
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>

FOLOWING MESSAGE CONSISTS WHOLLY OR PARTLY OF BANTER.
BANTER IS KNOWN TO CAUSE NAUSEA, FATIGUE, VIRTIGO, AND
BLINDNESS.  YOUR SUSCEPTIBILITY TO THE SUBJECT OF BANTER
IS DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO YOUR MOOD AT THE TIME OF ITS
READING AND HAS NOTHING TO DO AT ALL WITH WHAT YOU MAY 
THINK OF ITS AUTHOR.

Having said that, and having thence put forth an adequate
warning, I shall now break my pledge of a day or so ago-
but just this once.

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   A NAIEVE AMERICAN'S IMPRESSIONS OF AN OVLR EVENT

*******************************************************

Before you start reading this I suggest you find that old
record of national anthems you thought you'd never need
and put on "Oh Canada".  Say you don't have one??  Then
put on an Expos or Jays game and tape the first few minutes
of it. For those of you in foreign lands, well, I guess you're
SOL, but maybe you've got an old tape of an Olympic event that
a Canadian won (does this *ever* happen?). In any case,
play the record (or tape) fifty times or so, at
78 speed even, until you feel distinctly Canadian-aye?

Canada is an absolutely marvelous place.  No sooner do you
cross the border from the US than you are hit with a fifty
foot wide sign reading "METRIC CONVERSION: 60 EQUALS 100".
Boy do I like that concept. It applies to everything from
the money in your pocket to the speed at which you travel.
Such a deal.

Canadians themselves quite naturally come in all shapes
and sizes, each one breaking the mold from which they were
formed. Consequently, you'll find that no two canadians are
alike, but a common thread sewing Hospitality (with a big H)
holds them all together.  Canadians share a most open and 
friendly attitude towards others, even us americans, that
allows you to stike up a coversation with anyone at anytime
about anything at all. I had a most enjoyable time just
listening to the banter (all banter) that was going on 
around me....listening as I let my mind float along with
the accent.  They KInd of TAlk like THIS, YaNO, and it 
really is fun to listen to.  It has the dance of a sweedish
accent, which most of us probably despise, smoothed out
with some of the french, which we all probably despise even
more, but something distilled from the two results that is
not at all offensive.  I do wish I could say the same for
us americans, but alas, I cannot.

This OVLR birthday bash was everything it was cracked up
to be: FUN AND MUD. In an OVLR member's mind the two are
inseparable....fun goes good with mud, and mud goes really
good with fun.  Others on this list have given you glimpses
of the "play by play" that may be getting the message across.
I'll only add a few (just a few) comments to set your
impressions well in stone.

I arrived with the sig other at about 12:30 in the afternoon
just in time for the off-road event.  Quickly paid my fees,
signed my life away, and met uncle Steve "Not A Jeep" Denis
and his partner in crime, Mike Lunetc (Landrover.awol.com),
and two companions whose names escape me right now.  We six
americans gravitated towards Not a Jeep (methinks they needed
the extra weight, but they were only getting about 240 lbs
between the two of us) and started off towards the bogs.

Soon enough we got to the first hole and watched the first
few OVLRs in action. Robin Craig (whom I met minutes earlier
with smiles and handshakes but no bloody noses) earlier described
this and stated that Dale in his spiffy SIIa sans top with
the windscreen down was the first through. My recollection
is different, however, but hey, at that point in time I
wasn't too sure who anybody was.  I thought it was the 
SIII/SI conversion that made the first plunge....in any
event there were a couple of things that immediately 
impressed me:

1) Canada mud has lots of water on top of it.
2) Canada mud has lots of logs and rocks underneath it.
3) OVLR members are DETERMINED to get through the mud.
4) There is beer awaiting at every mudhole.

Now, doesn't this sound like a good recipe for fun?  It
was a blast just to watch it. Soon enough the first rover
was through, turned around, and ready to pull the next.
Dave, a Brit from Toronto, was next through the bog and
up the steep rock face emerging from it.  Here was done
the first bit of wing damage as his Landy reared up from
the face of the rocks and parked itself against a tree.
"Oh pity, I just painted that wing" as he shrugged it off
while his kids gave him hell ("What's Ma gonna say now, 
Dad?"). Little did they know at the time but there was much
more to come.   Wasn't long before a most contemplative Dixon,
canadian-rolled Benson and Hedges in hand, decided we'd
best take the "easy" route.

So we turned back and moved on to the next hole....a straight
shot about 100' long at the edge of a swamp.  This is the
hole that cost us eight (I thought it was only six) tires.
In any event, myself and the sig held on for dear life as
Steve, the owner, shouted at Mike, the designated driver,
"More Willie, More Willie, Lots.....".  We bounced, we plunged,
we got some mud on us, but we got through.  No sooner did
we come to a stop than we heard a bang.  Initially I glanced
upwards to see if gasoline was spewing forth from a limb-
poked and well shook jerry can, but soon realized as I saw 
the horizon rising that the left side rubber was punctured.
No matter, we had a spare, but then discovered we needed two.
Apparently, the beavers in this territory are so fed up with
OVLR antics that they've taken to using the tricks you used
to see in old Tarzan flicks.....putting submerged sharp
objects in the well worn path of the offending jungle beast
so as to cripple it, thence track it down, hack it to death,
and feed it to the natives.  Dixon forked over his spare
spare that with added air got us out (and the Not A Jeep 
home).

Onwards the convoy of a dozen or so moved to rendevous with
those that made it through the first hole.  We then arrived
at the "4-hour hole" that wasn't much longer than the others
but lots deeper and with more surprises.  One by one these
crazed OVLR pilots plunged into the hole, like brazen 
cowboys riding iron pigs, rearing, squeeling, bucking their
way through the muck and mire.  Dear mother earth was flying
everywhere, but with one good rain it'll all end up back
where it used to be and the swamp will look as it was-just
like it had been driven through.  Few of the Landys made it
through un-winched.  Tom, a non-netter who oughta be, was
the first to make it through unscathed in his 109.  Tom
used the most admirable "just don't let it stop" technique
and went forward, reverse, forward, reverse, and OUT as
cheers erupted from the mud-soaked crowd. A few winchings
later Doc Watson in a dingy SI cruised right through so
fast and sure I didn't even see it (was on my way for a
beer at the time and couldn't believe my ears as cheers
erupted again).  Only one or two others made it through
without help, and several got "well and truely stuck" as
advertised.  One of the highlights for me occurred while
attempting to push Harry (aka Headwound Harry) out of the
hole.  I asked, in all seriousness, "what is he on?" referring
to what he was stuck on, and Ernie, in equally serious tone,
replied "'e's got a headwound".  I looked over at Ernie,
who wasn't even smiling-the guy was completely serious!

It was at that point that I started to wonder if having
a headwound was a prerequisite for this event, or for
OVLR membership at least.  It occurred to me that an OVLR
member's idea of a *really good time* would be to get
youself neck deep in mud with your landy in the midst of
a downpour with nothing at all but a can of WD40 and enough
bug dope to make it 'til daylight.  These people aren't
just crazy, folks, THEY'RE NUTS!

Anyway, by now I've bored you with this account but I've just
one more highlight to offer.  Eventually Dixon and his
Benson and Hedges made the decision to turn the remaining
rigs back (there were about five more to go, dinner was on,
and the bugs were biting).  Me, the sig, and a few others
stayed behind to untangle Dave's (the Brit from Toronto)
winch and thence catch a ride out.  Upon emerging from the
bush he looked over at me and the sig and politely asked
"Go for a wash?"  We assumed he meant take a ride to the
swimming hole we'd heard about all day long and with ourselves
covered in sweat, DEET, and mud in that order we obliged.
I, having a keen sense of direction, soon realized we were
not heading back to camp, and as as we passed by a lake I
began to get nervous.  Oh boy, good thing me and the sig
can swim.  Wasn't long before we, in his SIII 88 followed
by Tom, the skillful driver in his 109, started into the
lake.  No big deal, I thought, we'll just be going straight
across-about 80 feet or so.  Then Dave turns 90 degrees north
and takes a leisurely drive the long way through the entire
stretch, water up to the tops of the doors.  The sig put her
hand out the window and played in the water as I dreamed of
the possibility of trolling from the back of an 88. A hundred
heartbeats later we made it out, opened the doors to drain
it, and laughed like hell.

Back at camp we washed up and dined on a splendid feast of
bbq chicken, pork, taters, and cole slaw, all canadian style.
Many, many thanks to Bates, Eve, MC, and the others whom
I didn't catch for putting on such a wonderful meal and for
feeding us an equally hearty breakfast the next morning.  Thanks
also to Dixon, Dale, Robin, Tom, Dave, Harry, JJ, Roy, 
Michelle, Ted, and all the rest of the OVLR members for 
showing us a really good time.

Rgds,
rd/eg/gretchen (the rotting 318 you spared)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:03:51 PDT
From: Vance Chin <vance@xnet.ssl.Berkeley.Edu>
Subject: Leaking Rochester

	My newly rebuilt rochester seems to be leaking gas around
the gasket.  I have have tried torquing the screws down a little
each week but it still leaks.  One interesting thing is that
I get theses microscopic bubbles around the gasket.

Vance Chin Series III 88 with leaking carb

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:21:35 PDT
From: Vance Chin <vance@xnet.ssl.Berkeley.Edu>
Subject: Series III NADA Schematic Found!

	I was having trouble with brake light switch wiring a 
while back and I really needed (wanted) a schematic for it.  The
ones in the books did not match at all.  Just recently I found
in one of the books I received from the previos owner the
schematic.  It was in the "Owner's Instruction Manual Supplement
To USA Specification" (PN 605737), this one is particular to
the 88 station wagon.  The pictures show a series IIa though.
It also has the Hazard switch shown that has been removed and
I will probubly not put it back.

Vance Chin Series III with Leaking Carb

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 22:42:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Parts, serial number

Thanks for the info on my 88 Stefan.  It has had so many modifications
that I was no longer sure what it was.  It has had the outer fenders with
recessed lights added but it kept the IIA inner lights as well.  It has
power assisted brakes and an update to the dash.  It has the newer black
leather seats.  I went to an earlier engine because the old one threw a
rod through the block, and I used the heaver IIA transmission than it came
with.  It has had a new loden green paint job and new wheels in sand as
well as the stationwagon top in sand with safari rack, winch in facing
single jump seats.  It looks showroom.  The next work for it is a rebuild
of the running gear and brakes.  AT this point I will have a new Land
Rover. Thanks for the info.  Dave VE4PN

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Wed, 22 Jun 1994 07:32:45 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re: tires

> On Mon, 20 Jun 1994, John Brabyn wrote:
> > While on the subject of tires, has anyone had experience with anything
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> better offroad then the Michelins did.  The tread wear has been better, 
> but I got the Load D rather than the Load C.

    Might be a good idea to replace the Michelins on a Range Rover 
anyway.  The details are a bit hazy in my mind but there was a series 
of pretty dreadful accidents caused by tyre blow-outs on R-Rovers a 
few years ago.... combo of high speed cruising plus loading the 
vehicle.  Apparantly, the Michelins in question were (a) not properly 
speed rated and\or weren't designed to take the vehicle's laden 
weight.... probably the former -- semi-off road tyres that couldn't 
take prolonged 120-140kph motorway speeds. YMMV, a'course!
Keith Coman

 * Dept of Management, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa *
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