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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Scope of List
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 11:50:50 BST

Sorry,Teriann,but I have to disagree with your suggestion that
OVLR club members go elswhere to talk.For these reasons:-
Club activities are to a large degree what keeps the Land Rover
world going.All the LR mags (well,both of them,anyway)feature
club news in each edition.And after all,it *is* interesting to
hear what people actually *do* with their vehicles.Mine,by
comparison leads a very boring life,going "offroad",if it can
be called such,only to get down the farm track each day to check
whether my horse still has her full complement of legs,etc.The
reason for this limited off raod activity is that the thing is run
on a shoestring,and I just cant afford to incur self inflicted damage.
But I *do* find it interesting to read of those who do,and submit that
there *is* a plce on this list for such.
Secondly,I would not like to see the list become merely a catalogue of
repairs,along the lines of"how do I replace my starboard thrupple nut
using only my left thumb and a fire hardened stick"sort of thing,for the
Nth time.Usefull though this is,(and it is *very* useful)it is not,IMO,
the sole reason for existance of the list.
As for toys and models,well,I dont collect them myself,although I will
admit to the ownership of a Corgi 110,but being a Model Engineer(lapsed,
but still interested),I can appreciate the pleasure this activity can
give.
I've always been surprised at the restraint shown by the anarchy.Lovely
word!Bit of the old buck now and then,agreed,but it never seems to go on
too long,to me anyway,and it livens thing up a bit.Lets face it,if you
*really* want an instance of irrelevancy,how about Mr Dimbleby doing a
complete page article in LRO about his *coat*,no less!Compared to that
the merits or otherwise of various beverages are essential data:-)
The coordinates of this place are well known for the inevitable artillery
stonk after I've siad this,no doubt,just PLEASE dont hit the bar....
Talking of LRO,has anyone in the UK got this months issue yet?I'm
interested to know,because I got last months on the 30th,and this months
was *supposed* to come out on the 16th.I want to establish whether it is
LRO itself,or my,possibly dozy,newsagent.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 20 Jun 94 23:33:30 GMT
Subject: Nuts, Videos, & Blondes

This weekend's projects included washing, vacuuming, and cruising back roads 
with the top down.  I didn't even turn a wrench this weekend.  Boy, I really 
enjoy driving the 88 sans top in warm weather.  Anyway, it was too hot to 
attempt the spring replacement (high 90s).  I'll have to think up some other 
excuse for next weekend.

Hub Nut Wrenches:

Someone wrote the week before last about JC Whitney carrying locking hubs for 
Land Rovers (#85XX1338A @ $71.95).  When looking it up I noticed that they 
also carry "British Land Rover Spindle Nut Wrenches" (#75XX3337T @ $8.98).  
That sure gave me a start.  This was the first time I had seen that listed.  
Phone 312-431-6102.

Tread Lightly Video Package:

I just received my 2 video tape package from Tread Lightly (1-800-966-9900).  
For $20 ($25 w/o a membership) I received:

"Tread Lightly - Where the Pavement Ends".  Fairly educational.  Provides 
common sense tips re treading lightly with dirt bikes, 4x4s (Jap only) 
mountain bikes, ATVs, and snowmobiles.  Not enough to get your blood going, 
except for the delicious blonde commentator that we'd all like to have helping 
pitch our tents out on the trail (except maybe for Jan & Terri Ann.  You two 
may prefer the male commentator).  When she first appeared, I got so exited, I 
almost dropped my Series III parts manual!

"The Great Divide Expedition".  This is all Range Rovers and one 110 Station 
Wagon travelling through the Colorado Rockies.  Fantastic scenery and great 
off-road footage.  Even more than in this year's Camel Trophy Video.  Got me 
really psyched to go off-roading in... New Jersey?  Hmmm...  Hey Jan!  You 
used to live in NJ.  Where did you take your young guys a-courtin' when you 
wanted to have your way with them???? :-)

Bill Maloney
maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:52:25 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Rover on the telly

Andy Warhol once said that in the future, everyone will be famous for 15
minites.  Well, over the weekend, my Rover achieved that level of fame, if
only for 5:47.

Seems that the Discovery Channel was filming in rural Suffolk on Sunday,
and they needed a prop for several segments of their "Archaeology" series.
My Rover figures prominently in three segments: one dealing with Antietam
Battlefield, another with Angkor Wat and a third with the Sphinx.  John
Rhys Davis, the heavy-set Welsh actor best known as Indiana Jones'
companion in the "Raiders..." movies ("Indy, why does the floor seem to
move?..."), narrates.  He also owns four Land Rovers, three on the Isle of
Mann, one in Kenya.  In three 'teasers,' 15 sec. cutaways introducing the
upcoming segment ("...coming up next on Archaeology."), the Rover is just
over his shoulder in front of a tent supposedly on location at a dig.  In
three or four other scenes, John Rhys either starts the narration leaning
on the passenger door or finishes it there.  Yours truly didn't get on
camera, though I almost did have a go with the executive producer ("I need
the jeep moved now....")  By later in the day, it had become a "Range
Rover!"  Maybe the director was becoming a bit addled by then, as we spent
a full day in the hot Suffolk sun to get less than 10 min. on film.

The segments are scheduled to air on the Discovery channel sometimes in September.
    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:30:03 +0100
From: Robertslab<rjrlab@neb.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:48:18 -0500
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: Re: tire advise

>plunger.  I haven't used it on my machine because I am using a cylendar
>from an amarican motors car quite successfully and I am just building this
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>and it bolts right on.  It has the right fluid volume and everything.  I
>have run mine for two years without problems.  Dave VE4PN

Though this might only be of interest to those in NA - I would like to see
a concise list of those american parts that can be used on Rovers. Nothing
against original parts (I have used plenty of them) but it is nice to have
some backup. If you like - send me the things you know about - and I will
put them in a list and post. I will also archive it on the RoverWeb.

Best - Greg

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Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:49:28 -0400

Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com> writes:

> Now to see if I can get off work for a month...
> P.S. 109's are somewhat hard to come by in England.  Are they any  
> more prevalent in NZ?
none

        Keeping the first line in mind, in eastern Canada the distribution
        of Land Rovers in terms of what is most common to least would be
        the following (from Ted Rose who knows a lot more about
        availability of vehicles than I do):

        swb hard top with the sealed windows in the rear
        lwb station wagon
        swb station wagon
        lwb pick-up
        swb pick-up

        Hmmm, maybe I should go through all of the OVLR membership renewals
        and get a tally of what vehicles are owned by the club.  The only
        slight drawback is that it is incomplete.  I only have five or
        six lines for vehicles and there are a few in the club with
        more than ten Land Rovers.

        Rgds,

Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: Ma says NO!
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:47:14 -0400

"TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> writes:

> Dixon, Any chance you or someone from your club can set up an Ottawa Land Rov
> club & friends mail list for local gossip?  I'm not trying to toss you guys o

        I will see what is involved in setting up a mailing list here.  Not
        sure what software or scripts need to be developed.  Will keep you
        informed...

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Oil Coolers

Oil "FOOLER" huh?.....I have grave doubts about the land rover set
up.....here is how it SEEMS to work... the oil comes out of the engine via
a sandwich adapter * between the oil filter adapter and the block...(all
items marked with a "*" mean extra oil leaks)this leads to me asking if
this is now an adapter adapter.....from here a threaded adapter * is
attached to a steel line with a commpression fitting * the steel line goes
around the engine to the left side and meets with a flexible line with a
compression fitting * ...The flex line goes to an adapter bolted to a
bracket on the left inner fender and meets it with a compression fitting *
in a threaded adapter * in the adapter! it the side of this bracketed
adapter is a compression nut fitting * for the capillary tube used by the
oil temp. gauge...the outlet of the adapter has another thread adapter *
and a comptession fitting  * to another steel line....this steel line goes up
to the oil cooler and attachs to the oil cooler * But WAIT!!! the fitting
on the inlet of the cooler is a muli-part affair conataining the oil
pressure relief valve..so add **** ! the oil drains through the cooler and
leaves the cooler through a steeline w/ fitting * and joins an armored
flex line * that returns to the oil pan (sump) with a banjo fitting ** (2
*'s for both sides of the banjo bolt!) Whew!!!!!!
is it any wonder that they LEAK!!!!!!!
the operation of the cooler is this.....the original oil pressure relief
valve is set to a higher pressure than normal to act as a safty valve only.
The oil that is excess to the engines needs is normally dumped back into
the sump(actually back in to the inlet of the pump...don't jump down my
throat Mr Maloney! I'm telling a story not making an engineering analisys!)
but in the oil cooler set up,the excess oil goes through all
the pipes to the oil pressure valve in the cooler which now allows the
excess oil to return to the sump via the oil cooler....this oil in the
cooler is not under pressure and returns under the pressure of gravity.
The oil pressure valve only allows oil to "dump" when the pressure exceeds
the preset level...approx. 50-60 psi.   Those with pressure gauges will
notice that at low rpm the oil pressure will not reach the level at which
the relief valve opens and even more to the point, when HOT.may NEVER
reach the point of relief! In cold wearher, the oil thickens and MORE oil
will go through the relief system......are we doing something STRANGE
here folks?????? so in cold weather we get oil cooling and when the oil
gets hot it will never get a trip to the cooler....was this invented by
the same department that designed the HEATER??????? Cooked toes in
July,frozen toes in February.....really.........
This is not a "full flow" system meaning that the oil from the pump has a
choice between the relief system or the engine,with the engine taking
presendence over the cooler....
I do not feel that You are apt to ever need an oil cooler and that the
added complexity and chance of engine failure due to leaks is enough to
prevent me from recommending one to you. 

be cool...
steve.....

HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP"

Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu>
PO BOX 61
Erieville,NY 13061

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From: Richard Worthington <richard@hqrim.sedd.trw.com>
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 10:00:04 PDT

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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 21 Jun 94 04:54:33 GMT
Subject: Newsletter Stuff

Sandy Grice shared with me: 

>> Bill...don't waste time/money on the Whitless spindle nut wrench.  Bought 
one eons ago, only to find out it's made of sheet metal with a hole in one end 
you pass a screwdriver thru to make a spanner).  It failed on the first really 
tight nut.  By comparison the "official" RN unit is made of tool steel, with a 
3/4" square drive. 
>> Bill...don't waste time/money on the Whitless spindle nut wrench.  Bought 
   
Sandy, 

Thanks for the lowdown on the JC Whitney spindle nut wrench.  You just saved 
me a few bucks. 

Bill Maloney 
maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 10:41:48 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Unsubscribe

Please unsubscribe me from the Land Rover list.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:29:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: tire advice

My advice on tires????  DONT LET MIKE L. DRIVE YOUR TRUCK!!!!!!
(just kidding folks,I would have blown all 4..Mike is an"ace" driver,it
was me shouting"GO! GO! FLOOR IT!!!!!....)

As you and I both will need tires (thanks Dixon,we made it on your spare)
I will give you my plan and insight on the matter....I am stuck with 16
inch only option...a 109sw really will not work with anything less...I was
running 7.50-16 Goodyear wrangler AT's(All Terrain) The thought was that
the handling with the radials would improve on the road(it did) and with
the radial"flex" the offroad(mud)performance would be good(NOT...hence,go
go floor it etc....) The same tire is offered in a 235-16 and is the same
diameter but a smige larger across...the reason I special ordered the
7.50's was that the 235's will hit the frame on full lock where the 7.50's
will not...you can adjust the steering stops,but the turning radius is bad
enough now....these tires are very quite on the road,and if you have a
winch(WITH the driveshaft...)to get you throuogh the REAL mud,I can
recommend them....I did run these very tires on an 88 an found them to be
fine......I would however, recommend the "MT" version of the same tire as
it also is silent on the road(well,you can't hear it over the roar of
everything else) but seem MUCH better in MUDDDY MUDDDDDD!
The trouble that we had at the B'day party was the side walls on all
radials are VERY flimsy(check the specs. on the tire side wall,often ONE
ply side walls) and can be torn by nasty canadian rocks and sticks....
If I had to have my life depending on NO side wall punctures I would go
with 8 or 10 ply bias ply tires....they have as many plys in the side as
under the tread...BUT WOW DO THEY RIDE HARD!!!!!!
I will still run radials as I do not intend to cross the Sahara any time
soon...
One final thought on the punctures...We were the heaviest vehicle there,I
think,the only other 109sw was Dixon's with only 2 on board(no rear seat
Dixon? what ever were you thinking lad.....)where we had 6 and full jerry
cans etc. . We were running 55 psi in all tires and the max. inflation is
80 psi...the side walls on the road were not bulged out,but they most
likley bulged out when we took the BIG bounce in the middle of the mud.
lesson? try the max inflation pressure next time...may work,may just make
a bigger BANG......
AND.....I have taken ABUSE for years for carting two spares....well you
see what happens when you leave them home....they had done duty the
weekend before to replace the "charcoal" tires on the towed 109 2dr...
AND for some reason, the bolts on the bonnet are not long enough to hold
down the 15" spare that we DID bring.....any Ideas here???? that is why we
lost it on"boggy bounce blvd."

'nuff
steve.......

HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP"

Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu>
PO BOX 61
Erieville,NY 13061

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 14:28:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Please delete me,let me go.....

HEY! NO FAIR! I asked before TeriAnn did! and it best not be ladies FIRST!
on 2nd thought I'll stay...ok ...I want to stay to see how this comes out....

THEN unsubcribe me.....
Thanks...

HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP"

Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu>
PO BOX 61
Erieville,NY 13061

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Subject: tyres
From: ludovico.magnocavallo@galactica.it (Ludovico Magnocavallo)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 12:32:00 +0100

_________
  Dear Fellow Members
I just received from the UK [Warwick 4X4] a rebuilt 1962 88' wagon which has
bad re-capped tires.Is it ok to put on 750x16 radials on this car? I live in
orlando fl and I am having a most dificult time finding a store that sells
this size.Also wht brand is best? I will be driving 90% on the road and
approx. 10% off road.
Also I find the front seat to close for my comfort.....I'm 73  inches tall;is
there anything simple i can do to add to my comfort.
Thanks for the help. Benjamin g. Newman
PS My LR has been restored to a series 111 condition.
_______
 
 I have recently changed my badly worn tyres with a set of 7.50x16 Kelly 
Safari AWR. Apart from being the only affordable tyres I could find here in 
7.50x16, they seem to be good quality radial M+S tyres for general use, on 
road and off-road. I'm not an expert, but I can tell you that now my 88 is 
a driveable car on-road. Kelly is a US manufacturer, owned by Good Year (so 
I'm told). I had my tyres for approx. 130 US$ each, they should be cheaper 
in the US. The big plus with 7.50x16 tyres is a little more speed and 
ground clearance. With an overdrive, I can push my 88 diesel at 100-110 
km/h (if the road is flat....).
 I have your same problem with height. I'm 188 cm (74 inches), and I had to 
get accustomed with My Landy's driving position.....I think there's nothing 
you can do apart from trading your car for a 90....:)
 I have fitted hi-back front seats with a headrest, and they make a big 
difference. I bought them from Birmingham Land Rover Services for 49.95 u 
each, but a cheaper way is to adapt used seats (I'm told that Volvo seats 
fit well). I had an accident some months ago with my mother's car, and 
without a headrest I would still be wearing a neck collar....
 
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 11:33:52 PST
From: Brad Krohn <Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: A new LR owner

Text item: Text_1

I've been lurking for a couple of weeks now, without enough time to say 
HI, so here it is:

My wife and I recently purchased a '69 IIa 88 ('Bug Eye'). I think I've 
seen someone else with a similar model, but what can anyone else tell me 
about it.

It appears to be one of the early "federalized" models -- apart from the 
bug-eyes (no recesses for the wing-mounted headlamps), it has a couple 
of emissions stickers in the engine compartment. From what the 12/93 LRO 
mag said, these actually were made in '68 and the recesses were added a 
year later. Is that right? 

Brad Krohn & Deb Shannon
Hillsboro, Oregon

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Date: 20 Jun 94 18:50:49 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Still no luck with LRO Digest

 >I've received a host of different errors but what I'd really like to do is 
 >subscribe to the lro-digest.

...same here, buddy (wish I could say something more encouraging).
I also sent a subscribe-request straight to Majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com
forgoing the lro-digest-request@whatever - business, but to no avail so far.
Looks like old Majordomo is a real no-go. I mailed Bill Caloccia on this
a while ago, but no reply yet. Guess he's out enjoying one of Englands rare
spells of fine summer weather they're experiencing over there right now
(can't blame him).

See you around,

Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen
Wiesbaden, Germany

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 18:39:26 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: tires

While on the subject of tires, has anyone had experience with anything
other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers? 

John

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From: LandRover@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 01:28:23 EDT
Subject: OVLR Birthday Bash

Whoopee!! we made it back alive..
I'd like to take this oppurtunity to thank the OVLR for a very memorable (if
not a bit itchy) time at thier birthday party.
I would have sent this out last night but I was "too tired"..  :)
You guys sure know how to have fun in the mud. Even with all the heat and
bugs (mosquitos the size of crows!) I'm still smiling.

Russell... I hope you and your lady enjoyed the ride in the back of the 109.
I don't usually romp on it that hard but Steve did say "lots of Welli". 

To everyone on this side of the border who could have gone but didn't... you
missed a good time..  Ha Ha!

Now, as a side note... TeriAnn... quit complaining about all the banter about
the beer. It's an important subject to our neighbors in the north. No matter
how deep the trucks got mired or how slow the winches moved you could always
count on someone to say "How about a beer, eh." Granted, we only went 7/10 of
a mile in 7 hours but everyone did have a good time.

Cheers...          
Mike Loiodice

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