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From: Dave Cattell <cattelld@prl.philips.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:44:32 BST
Subject: Please remove me from list

Yes I know this should go to land-rover-owner-request@stratus.com
but my previous requests were ignored.

PLEASE remove me from the list.

Dave.

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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 10 Jun 94 00:32:31 GMT
Subject: Springs

Greg wrote:

none
Anyway they gave me a quote which included $110 for camber shims (special
order and all)! Now I have done most all the work on my truck and looked at
parts books and such and I have never seen camber shims before? Are there
any? Where do they go? Are these guys on the wrong page?

I have also looked at the instructions for removing springs in the Haynes
and LR manuals. Do you really need to support the axle and frame on stands
or can you just raise the frame high enough so there is no weight on the
springs and then just chock the wheel on the axle (to keep the axle from
moving)? Well perhaps before I ramble on with questions could somebody give
me the quick and dirty about how they have done it?
none

Greg,

Skip the camber shims (and that shop).  The camber on a solid axle is 
non-adjustable.  Theoretically the castor could be adjusted by using shims 
on the U-bolt plates to rotate the axle but the Rover manuals don't discuss 
this and you'd have to be pretty creative.  Toe-in is the only alignment item 
you can adjust.  The bushings are a press-out press-in affair (or burn out, 
hacksaw, hammer the living $#!+ out, then hammer the living $#!+ back in 
affair).

You can leave the wheels on and support the frame.  I have seen this done but 
Rich Zeigler formerly of ABP recommended that I do one wheel at a time, with 
jacks under the frame and supporting the axle with the wheel off.  He said 
this makes the job much easier.  Either way watch your brake lines.  

I've got 4 new springs in my basement and I'm debating with myself whether to 
visit Bob Fischer in Mechanicville NY, do the job right having new frame 
bushings pressed in or chance it myself.  I can't make up my mind.  If I do it 
myself I'll do one at a time removing the wheels.

HMMM... if that quote for $110 included changing all spring AND frame 
bushings, that wouldn't be such a bad quote.

Good Luck!
Bill

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Date: Thu, 09 Jun 1994 10:04:10 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: T-shirts

What a response!  Say...that gives me an idea....I've got this piece of
waterfront land in Florida I'd be willing to sell...such a deal!

For those of you who want T-shirts, the address below is the club's mailing
address (also mine).  Make the checques out to the club or simply
"R.O.A.V.".  Only two of the XL's left; so far, Mike F. and Ludovico have
spoken for them...state if you *CAN'T* wear a large.  (I'm 6' and 205# and
a large still fits after several washings).

Ludovico- Airmail to Italy will cost an additional $4.33.  Send me a
check/money order/whatever in US funds for $24 and it's yours.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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From: rsrose@cco.caltech.edu (Randolph Rose)
Subject: Re: CD-2 and saving money
Date: 9 Jun 1994 15:02:18 GMT

In article <199406082357.TAA00251@transfer.stratus.com>,
Russell G. Dushin <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> wrote:
>Snipsnip
>ps on another note, this brand new rear diff I recently bought from 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>warning with a bit of a clarification??  Mine is from a 109, supposedly.)
>ugh.

If it was my quote about 10-day or 10-year diffs, I was referring to the 
singular diff supplied with 1967 NADA 109 6 cyl's.  This was a positraction
type ( a little too positive, me thinks) and is easy to spot.  The 
carrier is different; the spider gears are enclosed.

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From: "Jan Beckwith" <BECKJAN@elixir.isu.edu>
Date:         Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:25:12 +0700
Subject:      T-shirts

Sandy:
If you have an XL left I would like one.  If not, after your description of 
the large, I could probably make do with a L.  I will send a check today.

JAN
----------------------------------------------------------
Jan Beckwith                       beckjan@elixir.isu.edu
Idaho Drug Information Service     (208) 236-4689
Campus Box 8092                    FAX (208) 236-4687
Pocatello, ID 83209                Idaho State University
-----------------------------------------------------------

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Subject: Spring frame bushings.
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 1994 08:27:27 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Howdy,

	I've been watching this thread on spring bushing
replacement and thought I should weigh in on the subject
as I just replaced all of mine. To put it bluntly, there
is an easier way to do it. It just has one small catch, you
need to have access to an air compressor. The way I managed
after much cursing with hammer and hacksaw was to go down
to my local department/hardware store, anyone who handles
air compressors and related equipment, and for $16.99US, buy
an air chisel. These little guys are for the do it yourself
body mechanic who has some serious cuttin to do, they rip
through sheet metal like a hot knife through butter. Anyway, 
these come with an assortment of cutting, munching, ripping 
implements, and the one that applies to our little bushing 
problem is the 1/2 inch punch. It's just a pointed spike,
1/2 inch in diameter and about 3 inches long, with a large
shoulder where it mounts into the air chisel itself. All you do 
is get the appropriate bushing in position, (ie. unbolted, 
frame jacked up to let the spring hang neutrally, rotate the 
shackle out of the way) then take the punch/air chisel without
its retaining spring and mount a 1/2 drive impact socket of
the appropriate diameter over the spike so that the shoulder 
of the spike rests against the socket where the ratchet would
normally be. Slightly smaller than the bushing
outside diameter is perfect. Then lay it on the bushing, lean
on it, and pull the trigger. In about five seconds the old 
bushing will be rolling on the floor. The spring may clamp
onto your socket, no biggie just stack another smaller socket
on it and use the air chisel again. The punch fits right into
the inner bushing, acting as a centering guide for installing 
the new bushing, just use the same or SLIGHTLY larger socket
to drive it in. Clean the spring or frame hole and put a light
coat of grease in the hole and on the outside diameter of the 
new bushing before pressing it in. As you drive it in, friction
heats things up and it expands the metal, causing things to stop
momentarily. Just have a sip of an adult beverage for a minute
till things cool down and the continue till its driven all the 
way in. Once I got the hang of it, I was able to do each bushing
in 15 minutes, start to finish. 2 hours a night for two nights
and I have all new bushings in spings and frame.
					Rgds
					Mike Fredette
					mfredett@ichips.intel.com
					72 Ser lll 88
					Portland, Oregon 

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:04:08 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: for sale? (+my trip prep)

In message <9406081607.AA10655@MIT.EDU> jory bell writes:
> i keep thinking of playing around with weird gearbox arrangements.
> Anyone have any words of advice? I guess I can just UPS all my belongings
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> amenities (BOSE active noise cancelling headphones?  ;)
> -jory

When I moved from Seattle to the Monterey bay area, I loaded the back of my 88, 
pulled a smallish covered trailer and shipped everything else consolidated 
freight in old trunks.  If you have semi indistructable containers, steamer 
chests, sturdy wooden boxes & the like, a nationally known freight company is a 
cheap way to ship unbreakables, and things you can pack very well.  You can save
big over a moving company and have less to carry.  Stay away from fly by night 
carriers though, most may be good but I have heard too many horror stories with 
broaken & missing stuff and being unable to collect  for damages.

When packing your Land Rover, load the heavy stuff low.  The higher you raise 
the centre of gravity the more unstable the LR will be on corners & cross winds.

If your selling your overdrive, let me know the condition & the price you want.

Have a safe trip,

TeriAnn

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:11:45 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Compuserve user still needs help

In message <9406081431.tn969702@aol.com>  writes:
> If you read the previous messasge, I was given a Compuserve address for Ben
> Newman who couldn't make his way into the net from Compuserve. I gave his
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> no luck yet.
> Hope someone can help

The dumb question about Compuserve.  Since they charge $$$$ for connection time 
it is in their interest for people to connect as long as possible.  As a 
commercial group, don't they have a help service for people who want to use 
Compuserve more?  When in doubt contact your sysop

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: Spring frame bushings.
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:36:20 -0500 (CDT)

Mike Fredette was bold enough to point out...
>Howdy,
>       I've been watching this thread on spring bushing
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>air compressors and related equipment, and for $16.99US, buy
>an air chisel.

For the springs, mine were off and I pressed the bushings in.

For the frame, I welded up the equivalent of a c-clamp and
used a 12ton hydralic jack placed on its side and pressed
them in.  Overkill, yes, but that was my solution.  The
air-chisel method sounds better for this occasional task...

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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000

- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU)        - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)       - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                   - xx
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Subject: I sent this fellow a copy of the FAQ
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 94 15:27:34 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Don't know if anyone can give him additional details...
Please be sure to CC him, as he is not on the list.
 -- Bill

------- Forwarded Message

Date: Thu, 2 Jun 94 01:31:54 CDT
From: jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu (Janice Hoffart)
Subject: Land Rover 

Hi! This is Benjamin Freeman I'm  to contact you in hope 
that I you will be able to network information that is greatly 
needed you can contact me at this address or my mailing addressee
6328-18th Ave. N.E., Seattle, WA 98115 (206)524-7473.  
Also!!! I at this time am in dire need of a complete 2-1/4 petrol
engine there is a container leaving the UK soon I'm hoping that
someone could be of help in both locating one and arrangeing 
the papers for it to be shipped if possible? HELP!
But if not I'm still quite interested in buying and or trading
spares, vehicles. I have a desire for a RHD will trade for?
Sincerely,
Benjamin J. Freeman via my fiancee's internet account.
P.S. Please excuse my error's, I am using this computer
for the first time and my fiance' is instructing me. 

- --
KRIZIA KRIZIA KRIZIA
I'M BACK!
Beware all you lame bbs geeks!
hahahaaaha!

------- End of Forwarded Message

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Subject: Re: Sale Items available 
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 94 15:35:01 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

forwarded:

    For Sale: '72-Series III alpine white, 88 well maintained, small
    amount of rust in the usual spots but easy fix. In great shape.
    Has Fairley OD 6 tires 15', owner asking for 7500 us $ OBO call
    at (206)733-4097 Bruce it's located in Bellingham,  WA owner needs
    too sell Land Rover to make room for a sail boat. today's date 6/3/94.
    end
    ***

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Subject: Re: lro-digest
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 94 16:02:59 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Has anyone tried and not been able to reach or subscribe at 

  lro-digest@chunnel.uk.stratus.com ?

 -- Bill

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 18:35:41 -0400
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: parts forsale

I have the following parts in my basement that i'd like to unload (sell):

ser III heater core and blower unit (works fine) [i think i have all the
pipes/hoses with this still]

ser III door tops (steel) fairly good condition, replaced tracks 4 years
ago, good glass, some rust/small hole on lower inside front.

misc galvanised bits from an 88" bed (removed them from my 1974 bed when i
did the frame up and replaced the bed)

maybe some door latching hardware (both ser III and ser II I think)

Prices are up for discussion!

-jory

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Date: 10 Jun 1994 10:42:05 +1200
From: DAVID DEAN <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: lro-digest

>Date sent:      09 Jun 1994 16:02:59 -0400
>From:           William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>
>Subject:        Re: lro-digest
>To:             lro@team.net

>Has anyone tried and not been able to reach or subscribe at 
>  lro-digest@chunnel.uk.stratus.com ?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>  lro-digest@chunnel.uk.stratus.com ?
> -- Bill

I've tried to sign up for digest with no response (automatic or other)

If you subscribe to the digest, does it automatically delete you from the 
"live" listserver?

Cheers,

------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) -------
----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) -----------
--- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ----

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 15:59:03 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: parts forsale

Jory,
I could use some door lock mechanisms.  Please mail me privately at
    Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com

>maybe some door latching hardware (both ser III and ser II I think)

-jory

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 16:32:39 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Introductory Message

Hi folks -- as a new member I just wanted to introduce myself.

I have a 1989 Range Rover which takes me on off-road desert and ghost town
exploring trips -- my other hobby is photography. I DO wave back!

As a New Zealander now resident in the US, I was used to having Land Rovers
as THE off-road vehicle for farmers and outdoors folks, and when researching
all the available 4x4's in the US was unable to find any other make that is
seriously designed for off-road use. When I got my Range Rover, other Land
Rover models were still not available here.

My truck is basically stock (as we all know, Land Rovers don't need the 
modifications others do in order to survive off the pavement), but I have
installed such things as a CB radio and fire extinguisher and am about
to install winches front and rear as soon as I can decide on the best
mountings for them. I also carry, permanently stowed out of sight in the vehicle
, the basics such as a full-sized shovel, axe, pick, pry bar, tow strap, and
sundry spare parts. 

One question for which I would like a solution is a way to carry extra gas 
without resorting to the roof; it can be a long way between gas stations in the 
Calif and Nevada deserts and the Rover's thirst is prodigious.

Anyhow, I look forward to exchanging messages and views with all of you. 

Regards

John Brabyn
Mill Valley
California

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 16:39:24 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Brush bars

Does anyone know where to get hold of the bumper/brushbar sold as part of
the Great Divide Edition winch/brushbar combination for Range Rovers? The
dealers here seem only to be able to obtain the package as a combination.
I assume the bumper is made by someone in the UK or possibly Australia.
Any help would be appreciated.

John Brabyn

(PS if anyone knows of a used one that would be even better!)

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 19:29:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: More Spring Cleaning

CAMBER SHIMS?????? Run AWAY Run AWAY!!!!!!! The camber shim is a device
used to angle the vehicle in such a way as to cause money to fall from
your pockets!!!!!....A camber shim,which you DO NOT need,is a simple wedge
inserted between the spring and the axle to CORRECT the front axle
camber....So why is it wrong????? It AIN'T!!!   We use to shim out the
bottom of the front axle tubes on the VW bug drag cars as at speeds in
exccess of 100 mph, the aerodynamic lift on the rear of the car would
cause the caster to go negative,which is the effect you get when you back
up at high speed in any car....the car would get sideways due to the
instability....the lift on a bug at 100 is nearly 75 percent of the weight
of the (stock) vehicle when going foward,and increases to over 100 percent
when presented to the air flow sideways....We're FLYING!!!!!!  Somehow I
don't think any of the above applys to the landrover...what with the
power(?) to weight ratio and the areodynamics of a shopping mall...save
your momey!!!!!!

HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP"

Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu>
PO BOX 61
Erieville,NY 13061

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Introductory Message
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 17:13:22 MDT

John,
I also have a 91 RR and am looking for a way to carry extra gas. I have
seen second gas tanks. bur am somewhat wary of all the extra plumbing.
My latest thought is to install a real rear bumper and carring a couple
of jerry cans there. I wm willing to put up with the tailgate interference.
The last trip I put a 6 gallon marine gas tank on the roof rack. It only
spilled a little.

let me know what you come up with.

Russ

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Date: 10 Jun 1994 12:28:58 +1200
From: DAVID DEAN <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: Introductory Message

>From:           brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
(Stuff Deleted)
none

>One question for which I would like a solution is a way to carry extra
>gas without resorting to the roof; it can be a long way between gas
>stations in the Calif and Nevada deserts and the Rover's thirst is
>prodigious.

Why not hang a couple of jerry cans off the back like the NZ Army does 
with their 110s?

Cheers,

------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) -------
----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) -----------
--- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ----

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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 20:58:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: uncle

plz remove me from list

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 94 21:14:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Parts, Parts, Parts

jory

Will the door Tops fit a IIA? If so I'm interested.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

It's nice to see Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway

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From: llevitt@idcresearch.com
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 94 21:40:15 EST
Subject: Re: Introductory Message

John Brabyn writes:

> Hi folks -- as a new member I just wanted to introduce myself.

> I have a 1989 Range Rover which takes me on off-road desert
> and ghost town exploring trips -- my other hobby is photography.
> I DO wave back!

Hey John, welcome aboard. I'd recommend that you also 
consider joining the offroad net at 
offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu. Send your request to subscribe 
to offroad-request@ai.gtri.gatech.edu.

The offroad group discusses a variety of offroading issues, 
including what kind of winches to use, and how...

BTW, you're in God's country when it comes to mountain 
bikes. So let me know when you need the location of the 
*bicycling* net!

Lee

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