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1 philippe.carchon@rug.ac.16digest
2 uf974@freenet.victoria.b14Where is the digest?
3 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE24Re: LRO SHOP E-MAILS
4 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 343.5 Freshen Up
5 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn19Re: antique insurance/State Farm
6 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn21Re: Hot Water (was Pumping up)
7 "fisk.spencer" [fisk@gen13Is Anybody Out There?
8 Simon Barclay [sbar@jna.8RE: Removal of bolts?
9 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e8List Problem -- Or is it me?
10 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e23Diagnosis
11 Allan Smith [smitha@mail32Caribbean LR
12 iharper@afm.org 23Ignition Wires
13 gpool@pacific.net (Granv42LR/BMW rumor
14 iharper@afm.org 27Vapour Lock
15 Sekerere@aol.com 14messages


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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:36:30 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: digest

Hi all,
I don't know what's wrong but I'm recieving the digest very irregular. I 
recieved it whitout any problems till 15/04/96 then I missed 16,18,21,22 and 
23 so I unsubscribed and resubscribed. The digest was back on 24 till 27, 
but disappeared on 28 and 29, was back on 30 and again no mail on 01/05/96.

??????????????????????  

Philippe Carchon
'81 Lightweight
Ghent, Belgium

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 01:31:46 -0700
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Where is the digest?

Is the digest down?  I haven't recieved one since last Friday!

Clinton

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 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:01:18 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: LRO SHOP E-MAILS

You write:

> I think we owe a few people an apology.  We are new to the web and didn't
> fully understand the way things are done.
snip
This is almost verbatim what you replied to me when I responded to 
your first mass mailing. I hope this time it *really* means you won't 
continue doing it.
If so, apology accepted.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:17:04 -0400
Subject: 3.5 Freshen Up

Jim Dolan enquired about 3.5 parts. Sorry Jim I dont have any heads laying
about. If you need a replacement heads two additional places, besides the
usual ones, are Eight Parts (AKARovers west) in Arizona and T&.S Imports in
Pandora, OH. Or contact Famous Four in the UK. Ive had good results from them
- less than 1 week turn around after faxing my order. Buick heads may work, I
have no experience with them, but they wont have the hardened valve seats for
unleaded so I dont recommend them.
I had similar problems when I first got my 83. The left head gasket blew.
Pulled both heads, and the right side was not far behind. The guys at RN said
this was common on high mileage 3.5 V8. Poor gasket material. Both heads were
lightly skimmed ( they both need to be exactly the same for the intake
manifold to fit properly), new Gen. Parts gaskets fitted. The block was OK.
No prob.s 14K+ miles later. No exhaust pipe donuts were used, but there are
individual gaskets for the ex. manifold to head join. While the heads were
off I also had new rings and conn.(big end) bearings installed, both standard
size. Even after 110K miles the bores were almost like new. A new valley pan
gasket and end seals are installed, using a good gasket sealer. This part is
a bit tricky, as everything wants to slide around, and the manifold with
carbs is not that light. Take your time (but dont let the gasket seal
harden!) All this was done with the engine in place.To do the main bearings
the crank must come out, which means take the engine out. Ow! When the clutch
goes I intend to do this job, plus the timing gears and chain, which also
must be removed to take the crank out. I am no pro mechanic,but ive heard
tales about removing the main caps on big bore V8s, dropping the crank (after
disconnecting the transmission and pulling it back far enough for the pilot
bearing to disengage the flywheel) just enough to slip in new bearing shells.
Sounded to me like the worst sort of shade tree bodge, all on your back too.
No thanks! Good Luck. Andy. 

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 07:53:26 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: antique insurance/State Farm

> As I understand it the State farm antique policy is only good and in
> force while using the antique vehicle at rallies or parades this would
> include traveling both to and fom, but not for any other purpose.

I don't doubt it.  I have a regular policy on mine.  I was really just 
responding about the appraisals, which I had to get when I bought mine, 
in order to get a loan for the purchase price.

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 07:53:42 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Water (was Pumping up)

> Or even better.  A 4wd accessory place here produces a hot water 
  heater that uses your engines waste heat to heat the water.  It 
  consists of a pump and a heat exchanger that connects into the 
  car heater's pipe.  The pump pumps enough water to run a shower and the 
> tempreture is controlled in a similar manner to how the car heater's 

This indeed sounds interesting.  Do you have to have the engine running 
when you run the shower, or does it store the hot water somehow?  How 
much do they want for the set up?  Thanks!

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: "fisk.spencer" <fisk@gene.COM>
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:26:41 -0800
Subject: Is Anybody Out There?

Hello fellow Rover Owners,
  I have not received anything from the list for almost a week now, and
was wondering if I had been removed, or it it had shut down.

Spencer Fisk

58 SER I

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: Removal of bolts?
Date: Fri, 03 May 96 07:55:00 EDT

Have you tried a gear puller (reversed - to push).  These usually get them 
out!!  A small socket and a 5lb hammer can also to the job.

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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 12:07:15 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: List Problem -- Or is it me?

Like others I have been receiving only a few list messages a day (LRO
real-time).  I can't imagine everyone's gone mute, so let me make sure I'm
on the right list.  I subscribed to majordomo@land-rover.team.net -- correct?

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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 12:07:12 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Diagnosis

Well, my 109's problem was a loose carburator jet that was just about ready
to fall off.   Not so far from the diagnosis received on this list.  I
suppose had it occurred "in the field" and had I not been in a business suit
I would have checked the fuel pressure, fuel filter (for clogs), fuel line
(for clogs), then pulled off the air hose from the ait filter and poked
around in the carburator throat looking for something awry, and hopefully
would have seen the problem.  The gas leaking from the carburator body was a
clue that there was a "too much" fuel problem, I guess.

Carburators scare me, there is so much going on inside, lots of little
pieces waiting to be lost, and little of it seems amenable to field fixes.
But maybe that's just ignorance talking.  And maybe I've been intimidated by
my other truck's Holley 4-bbl and shouldn't be so timid with the cute little
Solex.

Do more mechanically savvy LRO's carry any carb parts in their spare parts
bag on offroad trips?  A spare jet, nuts and bolts, etc.?  What about fuel
pump parts, fuel line, etc.?

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 21:19:19 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@mail.CandW.lc>
Subject: Caribbean LR

>Is it those joyriding Caribbean ants again, or was the driver from Newcastle?
> Tom

Shhh! Don't even mention the a-word - I think they've forgotten. I'm still on 
the island of St. Kitts, so if they crank up the 90 now it'll exit my garage and 
50 yards later it'll be in the surf, and I won't even be there to conclude that 
it might need more than dismantling the dash and ignition switch that settled 
their hash last time.

But while I am here, I have to report that LR is quite well represented, which 
is significant as this region is flooded with you-know-whatsu and the rest. 
There are lots of Series vehicles, from the barely holding together daily 
workhorses to the well-maintained/restored, some very nice looking Defenders - 
and not just the generic aid-programme type but a number of personal statements, 
 like a particular metallic blue/green 90SW that I kept seeing, with just enough 
presence to be noticed and in its understatement simply outshining the poser 
Pa..ro & Tr....r uglies that abound. 

Considering the quote "Nobody ever lost a dollar underestimating public taste", 
P.T. Barnum could well have been a Land Rover owner looking around now at what 
some people think is a good purchase.

Allan Smith
St. Lucia
 

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From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Ignition Wires
Date: Thu, 02 May 96 19:57:27 EST

I was in my local Canadian Tire store today and noticed that they had 
spark plug wire sets on sale.  On their brand they have that lovely little 
sticker that says "Lifetime Warranty".  Obviously it's perfect for a car 
that never dies!!   Has anyone used these, and if so, what is the CT 
number for a S3 2.25?  They come in those plastic sealed packs, so I can't 
go through and match the sizes (although there were only a few for 4 cyl)

Also, I was going to get shocks at my local UAP/Napa dealer, and they had 
ones (81273UNS) that seemed identical to the old ones, as well as being 
inexpensive (around $25 each)   Anyone had any luck with these?  What else 
should I use?

Thanks, Ian
iharper@afm.org

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:26:16 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: LR/BMW rumor

I got mty June issue of _Road_&_Track_ magazine today.  In the Ampersand
section was the following:

"Rover clone as BMW's 4x4?"  by Ian Norris

"With Mercedes' AAV sport utility well on its way, rumor has it that BMW is
formalizing plans for its own 4x4 for the U.S. market.  Not surprisingly,
the off-roader will have its roots in Solihull, the home of Land Rover,
rather than in Munich.  The basis for the new sport ute will be the
replacement for the current Discovery, due to make its debut in 1997.

"Based upon the running gear of the existing Discovery, the 1997 version
will be available only as a 4-door and will come with a new Rover diesel
engine and the venerable Rover V-8.  The newcomer will be built at Solihull
and sold throughout the world as a Land Rover, but it will also be made in
South Carolina for sale in the U.S. as a BMW.

"The U.S. vehicle will be visually different from those sold under the Rover
badge with a BMW-influenced grille and front end.  Inside, it will be more
in keeping with BMW's ergonomic traditions.  Under the skin will be less BMW
input, since the German engines are less suitable for use in off-road
vehicles than the Rover V-8.  The ex-Buick unit has been the mainstay of the
Land Rover range for years now and has been well adapted to its purpose.
Although a sport utility would fit in well with the existing BMW range and
customer demographics, this plan has been officially denied, but don't be
surprised if there's a change of mind come next year."

Hmmm, lots of tidbits crammed in that little rumor (which sound rather more
than a rumor to me).  New Land Rover diesel engine?  Does this mean to
include the U.S.?  Sounds pretty clear hear that rumors that BMW engines
will soon replace the Rover ones are probably unfounded.  Replacement for
the current Discovery?  Does this mean the new CB-40 or something else
that's in the works?

Fud fer thot.

Granny

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From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Vapour Lock
Date: Thu, 02 May 96 19:57:28 EST

Finally caught up to date with the digests, and followed the vapour lock 
issue as it unfolded.  I have had a similar problem, but the fuel line 
setup on mine is different (though it looks factory installed!).  The line 
runs up to the firewall, where it goes through a diesel type cannister 
filter, then down by the brake servo, past the WW bottle and makes a 180 
to the carb.  

This seems contrary to all the advice of keeping it in front of the engine 
and lower than the carb.   Should I ditch it and run a regulation line 
across the front by the thermostat housing and straight to the carb?  BTW 
I was also advised to ditch the Weber refit and reinstall a new Zenith, 
which I did, because that was compounding the situation.  (It never had 
alot of power anyways)  

HELP, it's starting to get warm out again....

Thanks, Ian
iharper@afm.org

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 01:09:03 -0400
Subject: messages

Is there anyone out there???? The messages have been decreasing daily until
there are none now. I tried to unsubscribe from the LRO-Digest, but did I
also unsubscribe from the Land-Rover-Owner real time list??????? Anyhow it
would be nice to see the land rover stuff back on the computer.

Cheers

Chris

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