Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #205 - 27 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Special deal for listers, is it allowed? (Jean-Leon Morin)
   2. LR ownership and breeding (Rob MacCormick)
   3. Re: ME262 restoration (no LR content) (Bill Adams)
   4. RE: Paint in Spray Cans (Sergi, Michael)
   5. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (Alan J. Richer)
   6. Accelerator Pedal (Sergi, Michael)
   7. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (marko.cosic)
   8. Re: Accelerator Pedal (Alan J. Richer)
   9. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (Paul Oxley)
  10. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (Alan J. Richer)
  11. Re: Special deal for listers, is it allowed? (Tim Czajka)
  12. Re: Series Tcase Strength (Tim Czajka)
  13. Re: ME262 restoration (no LR content) (Paul)
  14. Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?) (Adrian Redmond)
  15. Re: Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?) (Jim Laurel)
  16. Re: Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?) (Brian Horner)
  17. Re: Malingnant mail and spam (off topic but relevent?) (Mark Pilkington)
  18. Land Rover 4x4 in England (Mark Pilkington)
  19. Re: Land Rover 4x4 in England (Mark Pilkington)
  20. Re: Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?) (Richard Joltes)
  21. Malignant mail and spam (off topic but relevent?) (Adrian Redmond)
  22. re: Airplanes (Monika & Steve Rochna)
  23. was Me262 now B-17 (no LR content) (Rich Williams)
  24. Re: Malignant mail and spam (off topic but relevent?) (Stephen West-Fisher)
  25. Re: was Me262 now B-17 (no LR content) (Hope Peter)
  26. Series question for those of you that own 1971 trucks (Rich Williams)
  27. Re: was Me262 now B-17 (no LR content) (Rich Williams)

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Message: 1
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Special deal for listers, is it allowed?
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:34:12 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The list should not be used for commercial sale, in my opinion, but when a
Land-Rover owner can get a good deal on something that is USEFUL and
RELEVENT to Land-Rovers, I would agree to seeing this info posted.

I would just be careful as Landcruiser and Land-Rover owners are a very
different breed in most cases...

J-L

>
> Hi gang,
>
> I'm putting together a wholesale deal on a specialty vehicle product
> for my friends on the Land Cruiser list. Can I do that here?
>
> It would involve me getting the stuff in bulk and offering it here at
> lower than local prices. I'm doing it at cost, basically for the fun
> of it. I'm not sure if it would be practical for anyone outside the US
> or Canada due to shipping costs.
>
> If this violates list rules, I'll just be quiet.
>
> Andy Litkowiak
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:57:28 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] LR ownership and breeding
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yeesh! I agree but I'm right handed, have a land cruiser and a land rover, and
I've never been a pilot....Maybe SWMBO is right.....I DO need my head
examined......As for the time being I' keeping a close eye on our son and
daughter......

Rob M
Concord, MA USA
Jean-Leon Morin wrote:

> The list should not be used for commercial sale, in my opinion, but when a
> Land-Rover owner can get a good deal on something that is USEFUL and
> RELEVENT to Land-Rovers, I would agree to seeing this info posted.
>
> I would just be careful as Landcruiser and Land-Rover owners are a very
> different breed in most cases...
>
> J-L
>
> >
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > I'm putting together a wholesale deal on a specialty vehicle product
> > for my friends on the Land Cruiser list. Can I do that here?
> >
> > It would involve me getting the stuff in bulk and offering it here at
> > lower than local prices. I'm doing it at cost, basically for the fun
> > of it. I'm not sure if it would be practical for anyone outside the US
> > or Canada due to shipping costs.
> >
> > If this violates list rules, I'll just be quiet.
> >
> > Andy Litkowiak
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:26:11 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ME262 restoration (no LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There's a gen-yoo-wine ME262 right across the street from me at the
NASM. 8*)
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 4
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:46:57 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I like that.  For the short term I bought the aerosol sprayer with the small
screw on glass jar.  I will try the idea next time.  I am finally at the
point where I am starting to paint some aluminum.

> FIll the BF jar with whatever amount of paint you
> need, put the lid w/grommet over the  spray tube then
> screw on the jar. Jar and all goes in the spray pot
> (don't forget a small hole in the BF jar lid for air
> to get in).

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:53:59 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Paul Oxley <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> "Alan J. Richer" wrote:
> 
> > Works really well with most types of gun 
 
> Brilliant idea..., really.
> 'cept with a gravity feed :-{>}

Picky, picky, picky......

Seriously, i've never used a gun of that type so it
didn't even occur to me. Gravity-feed guns are rather
small in any case, aren't they?

Personally I'm at the other end of the spectrum lately
- I need to paint everything in sight....

             ajr

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Message: 6
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:01:00 -0500
Subject: [lro] Accelerator Pedal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've searched the Green Bible but don't see any reference to accelerator
pedal adjustment.  How high off the bottom of the floor board should the
pedal be?  The book gives dimensions for both the brake and clutch pedals
but not the accelerator pedal.  It looks like this is adjusted by spinning
the pedal on the shaft it rides on.

Mike

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Message: 7
From: "marko.cosic" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:56:14 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Seriously, i've never used a gun of that type so it
didn't even occur to me. Gravity-feed guns are rather
small in any case, aren't they?

----

I've a #60 ITW Devilbiss Finishline gravity fed gun, holds 0.5 litres, and will
carry on spraying until there is literally no paint left in it, unlike some
other suction guns.

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:30:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Accelerator Pedal
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It should be set so that the throttle is at full open
with the accelerator pedal on the floor adjustment
bolt. The reason there's not a spec for this is that
it's got so many linkage bits - not really possible to
set it by measurement.

Yes, you are right on the adjustment - loosen the
clamp bolt, rotate as necessary, retighten the clamp
bolt.

           ajr

--- "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
wrote:
> 
> I've searched the Green Bible but don't see any
> reference to accelerator
> pedal adjustment.  How high off the bottom of the
> floor board should the
> pedal be?  The book gives dimensions for both the
> brake and clutch pedals
> but not the accelerator pedal.  It looks like this
> is adjusted by spinning
> the pedal on the shaft it rides on.
> 
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:40:53 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Alan J. Richer" wrote:
 
> Seriously, i've never used a gun of that type so it
> didn't even occur to me. Gravity-feed guns are rather
> small in any case, aren't they?

Hmm, my Binks is about a 1 litre (~2 pints) job. If that's small...? I
would probably be quite uncomfortable with anything bigger/heavier.
 
> Personally I'm at the other end of the spectrum lately
> - I need to paint everything in sight....

Where I can I have 'everything' hot dip galvanised.
 
Regards

Paul (soon to expire from zinc inhalation poisoning) Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:59:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

AfricanAdrenalin.com wrote:

>Where I can I have 'everything' hot dip galvanised.

I hate you.....8*)

If I could, I would. New England Winters are one of
the nastiest environments around bar none for
corrosion...except for maybe the North Sea. 
Unfortunately the People's Republic of Massachusetts
has driven all of the small galvanizers out of
business - and the big ones won't even talk to me.

Hence, my current love affair with epoxy galvanising
paint.....8*)

         ajr

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Message: 11
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:16:58 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Special deal for listers, is it allowed?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

J-L wrote:
>I would just be careful as Landcruiser and Land-Rover owners are a very 
>different breed in most cases...
>
Do you think so?  I have found that owners of older 4x4s have
quite a bit in common - regardless of make.  There is a shared
experience in owning an old truck and keeping it on the road.
Many a parking lot conversation I have had with FJ, CJ, and
Bronco owners.  Last year I pulled over to check out a Pinzuar
parked in a field, when the owner showed up and invited me home
to check out his Unimog restoration.

Now I know there are some decent owners of new Land Rover
products out there, but I am not sure what I would say to most
of them.  How do you like your CD changer?  When I worked in
Denver, the new Discos and Rangies were thick as ants - usually
lined up in front of office buildings waiting for valet parking.
I doubt any of them would have known my Series from a Yugo:)
Yet I almost always get friendly waves from Toyota FJ owners
when out on the road.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 12
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:49:27 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Series Tcase Strength
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>The one behind my 302 is doing just fine.  There are a number of Rovers 
>running around with hi performance Chevy 350s in them.  As I've said, I've 
>yet to hear of a breakage caused by too much power.
>
Thanks for the info.  I searched around the web last night,
but could find no pattern of Series tcase failures.  Usually if
a tcase has a failure point, you start to here about it, but I
couldn't find anything regarding the Series.  Of course the stock
4cyl power is not much of a test for stamina.  It's good to know
your tcase is holding up fine with the added equipment weight
and V8 power.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:07:34 GMT
To: [email-masked], Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ME262 restoration (no LR content)
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, Bill Adams wrote:
> There's a gen-yoo-wine ME262 right across the street from me at the
> NASM. 8*)
>
Been there, Seen it, Done it!

The NASM is a fine museum, and I particularly liked the entrance fee...

($0 for those who have not been there!)

Paul Lonsdale

EX-H.M.Coastguard SIII SWB
B895 OJT "Dougal"

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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:48:14 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Considering the number of IT professionals on this list, I'd be
interested in hearing how others best protect themselves from
unsolicited email (spam) and mails carrying malignant code. (The V word)

I am really tired of the 50 or so spams we get each day - many of them
highly pornographic - often received by my staff, wife and daughter.

I am also fed up with spending a few hours a week eliminating v's - most
if not all of which get caught manually as they usually are obvious. But
following even a succesful elimination, the value and importance of our
media data (video and audio mostly) requires a complete scan just to be
sure. With over 1.5 terabyte of storage, this is timeconsuming.

Most of our workstations run applications which do not like co-existing
with v-scanner programmes, so auto scanning is not an optiuon due to
such overheads.

We run about 18 platforms all W2K or W98SE in a peer to peer network,
with one of these WS's as a file server. Our media server is separate-
using gigabit NIC, and not normally accessed by other WS's, but this has
to be possible, so there is also a 100Mbit connection. The data server
runs Norton AV2001.

We use Netscape 4.9 for our mail to avoid the traditional outlook
weaknesses (most of the v's which we catch manually could provoke an
auto infect via outlook.

But all in all, the benefits of the internet, networking and mass
storage are sometimes overshadowed by the increasing burden of mail
which I don't want to read (usually trying to sell me stuff I don't
want) and the proliferation of malignant code.

I am just about to upgrade to Netscape 6 which allows multiple mail
accounts, so that we can migrate our email to another ISP under our own
domain, and still have mail from our existing ISP relayed via the new
one. The new ISP runs scanning on all mail, so this might help a lot.

But before I start using our new domain mail adresses, I want to get the
benefit of other's experience, so that we minimise this problem as much
as possible.

Whilst some LRO's might find thius interesting, thetre's probablfy a lot
who won't, so relies are also welcome off-list to us directly.

I'd be interested in any veiwpoints, ideas, tips and tricks which others
may have to offer. Happy new year!

If you reply to the list, I understand from Bill that we mustn't use the
V word as this will result in our mails being trashed by the
major-thing...
 
Adrian Redmond

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Message: 15
From: "Jim Laurel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:44:27 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Adrian,
Unfortunately, this is very difficult problem to solve, but here are a few
things that may help:

1. Establish a "junk" email account on a free service such as yahoo,
hotmail, or similar that you use when you need an email address to give
someone who is likely to sell it as part of a list.  This would include any
financial institution, online vendor or store of any kind, website
registrar, technical support, etc.  Give them the junk email account.  Also,
enable any junk mail features provided by your email provider.  This will
reduce the number of junk emails you get, but not stop them completely.  For
example, I have enabled the highest level of junk mail protection on my
hotmail account, short of disallowing mail from anyone who isn't in my
address book.  However, that account still gets around 40 junk mails a day.

2. Establish your primary email accounts on a private domain.  If you are a
small organization, as you describe yours to be, you are a less likely
target for spammers.  Using yahoo, hotmail, or an email account from any of
the large service providers such as aol or earthlink will almost guarantee
spam.  Earthlink, in my experience, has less spam than others, I've noticed,
while Hotmail has got to be the very worst.  If you are a large, high
profile organization such as the BBC, Microsoft, or such, you will no doubt
be a target of spamming, but then again, organizations that large will have
a full-time IT staff dealing with these issues.

3. Use a separate email address (or the aforementioned "junk" address) for
subscribing to mail lists like this one.  Often, the archives of these lists
are scanned and used for spam.  For example, the alias you see that I use
for this (LRO) list is not my primary alias.  However, those of you who ahve
received off-list replies from me may have gotten them from my primary
account.

4. Only give your primary email address to "trusted contacts" - people whom
you do business with, or that have a genuine need to contact you.  Be
careful, becuase once it gets out there in circulation, the alias become
pretty much worthless, as you will start spending 30 min each day purging
all the offers for fisting videos from your inbox.

The simplest and most effective thing you can do is to be careful about
letting your email get out into the open, just the same as your home phone
number.  I've been using the strategy above for years and my primary email
accounts almost never receive any spam.  There is the odd one once a month
or so, but no more than that.

Good Luck,
--Jim

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:06:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?)
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

This is what I have been preaching for a while now.  One of the reasons I
established RoverMe.Org Free Web-based email service was to get people away
from Spam advocates like Yahoo and Hotmail.

Another thing about Junk mail that people don't usually know is that most of
the time - junk mail is illegally generated and thus they do not have to
comply with your request to unsubscribe.  In fact, usually when you request
to unsubscribe you are actually verifying to someone that you are a real
person that that read their mail - this usually results in more junk mail.
Most of the time, email senders jump servers month to month praying on
unsecure backend servers that are not setup correctly - and let me tell you
- there is a lot of them.  The best thing you can do, without getting too
geeky, is use email filtering and, like Jim suggested, use two email
accounts. 

Brian

On 12/28/01 11:44 AM, "Jim Laurel" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> Adrian,
> Unfortunately, this is very difficult problem to solve, but here are a few
> things that may help:
> 
> 1. Establish a "junk" email account on a free service such as yahoo,
> hotmail, or similar that you use when you need an email address to give
> someone who is likely to sell it as part of a list.  This would include any
> financial institution, online vendor or store of any kind, website
> registrar, technical support, etc.  Give them the junk email account.  Also,
> enable any junk mail features provided by your email provider.  This will
> reduce the number of junk emails you get, but not stop them completely.  For
> example, I have enabled the highest level of junk mail protection on my
> hotmail account, short of disallowing mail from anyone who isn't in my
> address book.  However, that account still gets around 40 junk mails a day.
> 
> 2. Establish your primary email accounts on a private domain.  If you are a
> small organization, as you describe yours to be, you are a less likely
> target for spammers.  Using yahoo, hotmail, or an email account from any of
> the large service providers such as aol or earthlink will almost guarantee
> spam.  Earthlink, in my experience, has less spam than others, I've noticed,
> while Hotmail has got to be the very worst.  If you are a large, high
> profile organization such as the BBC, Microsoft, or such, you will no doubt
> be a target of spamming, but then again, organizations that large will have
> a full-time IT staff dealing with these issues.
> 
> 3. Use a separate email address (or the aforementioned "junk" address) for
> subscribing to mail lists like this one.  Often, the archives of these lists
> are scanned and used for spam.  For example, the alias you see that I use
> for this (LRO) list is not my primary alias.  However, those of you who ahve
> received off-list replies from me may have gotten them from my primary
> account.
> 
> 4. Only give your primary email address to "trusted contacts" - people whom
> you do business with, or that have a genuine need to contact you.  Be
> careful, becuase once it gets out there in circulation, the alias become
> pretty much worthless, as you will start spending 30 min each day purging
> all the offers for fisting videos from your inbox.
> 
> The simplest and most effective thing you can do is to be careful about
> letting your email get out into the open, just the same as your home phone
> number.  I've been using the strategy above for years and my primary email
> accounts almost never receive any spam.  There is the odd one once a month
> or so, but no more than that.
> 
> Good Luck,
> --Jim
> _______________________________________________
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> [email-masked]
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:10:54 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Malingnant mail and spam (off topic but relevent?)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Far more easy than this, just install Norton Anti virus and it kills all viruses
as they come in.  I get 50 to 75 e-mails a day and one or two are the bad "v"
word things.  It arrives as an empty e-mail with a note saying that it was a
v----- and Norton killed it and quarantined it.  Then you can go into quarantine
every now and then and delete the little sods.  It updates automatically off the
internet so it is always current.  I never worry about v-r-u-s-'s because of
this.  It is particularly important for me because I am always online.  If the
computer is on, it is online.  As far as the porno stuff goes. I just set the
filters in Netscape mail to not let them in.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Jim Laurel wrote:

> Adrian,
> Unfortunately, this is very difficult problem to solve, but here are a few
> things that may help:
>
> 1. Establish a "junk" email account on a free service such as yahoo,
> hotmail, or similar that you use when you need an email address to give
> someone who is likely to sell it as part of a list.  This would include any
> financial institution, online vendor or store of any kind, website
> registrar, technical support, etc.  Give them the junk email account.  Also,
> enable any junk mail features provided by your email provider.  This will
> reduce the number of junk emails you get, but not stop them completely.  For
> example, I have enabled the highest level of junk mail protection on my
> hotmail account, short of disallowing mail from anyone who isn't in my
> address book.  However, that account still gets around 40 junk mails a day.
>
> 2. Establish your primary email accounts on a private domain.  If you are a
> small organization, as you describe yours to be, you are a less likely
> target for spammers.  Using yahoo, hotmail, or an email account from any of
> the large service providers such as aol or earthlink will almost guarantee
> spam.  Earthlink, in my experience, has less spam than others, I've noticed,
> while Hotmail has got to be the very worst.  If you are a large, high
> profile organization such as the BBC, Microsoft, or such, you will no doubt
> be a target of spamming, but then again, organizations that large will have
> a full-time IT staff dealing with these issues.
>
> 3. Use a separate email address (or the aforementioned "junk" address) for
> subscribing to mail lists like this one.  Often, the archives of these lists
> are scanned and used for spam.  For example, the alias you see that I use
> for this (LRO) list is not my primary alias.  However, those of you who ahve
> received off-list replies from me may have gotten them from my primary
> account.
>
> 4. Only give your primary email address to "trusted contacts" - people whom
> you do business with, or that have a genuine need to contact you.  Be
> careful, becuase once it gets out there in circulation, the alias become
> pretty much worthless, as you will start spending 30 min each day purging
> all the offers for fisting videos from your inbox.
>
> The simplest and most effective thing you can do is to be careful about
> letting your email get out into the open, just the same as your home phone
> number.  I've been using the strategy above for years and my primary email
> accounts almost never receive any spam.  There is the odd one once a month
> or so, but no more than that.
>
> Good Luck,
> --Jim
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:21:29 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Land Rover 4x4 in England
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If anyone is intertested, here is the website of the company I used to work for in
England called "Drive it all" who has a large number of Land Rovers.  There are
90's and Lightweights.  When I was there I was paid $150 a day to take people in
teams around the various courses and trails in Land Rovers.  We had 7 Lightweights
and used to rent the 90's as we needed them.  Have a look it was great fun.  They
call it "work" Drive It All - Corporate Events 4x4 Team Safari
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:38:57 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover 4x4 in England
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry,
    That was not a live link.  Here it is again.
http://www.driveitall.co.uk/teamsafari.html

Mark Pilkington wrote:

> If anyone is intertested, here is the website of the company I used to work for in
> England called "Drive it all" who has a large number of Land Rovers.  There are
> 90's and Lightweights.  When I was there I was paid $150 a day to take people in
> teams around the various courses and trails in Land Rovers.  We had 7 Lightweights
> and used to rent the 90's as we needed them.  Have a look it was great fun.  They
> call it "work" Drive It All - Corporate Events 4x4 Team Safari
> Kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:39:55 -0500
From: Richard Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Malingnat mail and spam (off topic but relevent?)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Brian Horner wrote:
> 
> This is what I have been preaching for a while now.  One of the reasons I
> established RoverMe.Org Free Web-based email service was to get people away
> from Spam advocates like Yahoo and Hotmail.
> 
> Another thing about Junk mail that people don't usually know is that most of
> the time - junk mail is illegally generated and thus they do not have to
> comply with your request to unsubscribe.  In fact, usually when you request
> to unsubscribe you are actually verifying to someone that you are a real
> person that that read their mail - this usually results in more junk mail.
> Most of the time, email senders jump servers month to month praying on
> unsecure backend servers that are not setup correctly - and let me tell you
> - there is a lot of them.  The best thing you can do, without getting too
> geeky, is use email filtering and, like Jim suggested, use two email
> accounts.

Definitely do _not_ reply to any of those 'unsubscribe' requests. Brian
is absolutely correct that they're just used to verify valid accounts.
The spammer then adds these to their next round of trash, or sells the
list to someone else.

The next two paragraphs are excessively geeky...

One thing I tend to do is unpack full headers on any spam I receive
and use them to track down the open relay or falsified account data.
I then send a nastygram with the full message (all headers included) to
the sites that are hosting the spammers.  Generally this takes 3-5 min.
per e-mail; I've gotten hundreds of spam accounts closed in this way
and pointed out open relays to lots of sites.  The worst offenders by 
far are the Korean or Chinese IT people who don't seem to understand 
mail relays and that they need to be closed down.  But if we don't 
tell them about the problem, it'll just persist.

Something to remember is that spammers forge their 'mail from' and 
'reply-to' address headers.  Forwarding a message to Yahoo's abuse 
address because it looked like it originated from Yahoo is often
useless since those headers are probably faked.  You need to unpack
full headers and find out the real source before notifying an abuse
manager.  Most people don't have the time to do this, though.

</end geekiness>

A tool a buddy pointed me to is http://www.mailwasher.net.  It's 
supposed to be a pre-filter that cleans out virused mail or spam from
any active POP3 account.  I haven't tried it yet but will soon.

For virii, the best thing to do is to DUMP your copy of Outlook or
Outlook Express, since they're the fave vectors for virii these days.
Any idiot script kiddie can write a quickie virus for Outlook.  Get 
a copy of Eudora (http://www.eudora.com) and Bob's yer proverbial 
Uncle.  It's free, and probably one of the best mailers around...
small and fast.

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:56:07 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Malignant mail and spam (off topic but relevent?)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks for the replies Guys!

The multiple email reply-to's is difficult as we are a company, and
several people are using the mail accounts.

We do not (ever) reply to or remove spam. We sussed that con years ago.
Still the stuff keeps coming!

We do not use Outlook for precisely the reason given by many replies -
and we already have Norton AV on the server, but as mail downloads are
often invoked via  workstation which due top other applicatuon
considerations cannot have auto AV scanning installed, the v-mails only
get scanned when they get saved on the file server (though we have
usually manually deleted them by then).

I use a few newsgroups but none as regularly as the lro's. I did wonder
if the lro server could be set to strip the sender addresses (reply
to's) in such a way that only list members could reply to these
addresses? Maybe C. Bill knows if such tricks are possible.

I have not yet discovered how to use Netscape's mail filter so that it
effectivly trashes all (ort even most) spam - AFAIK it is great for
blocking or routing specific mails on the basis of sender/domain/suject
or content, but none of these possibilies are suitable for blocking
senders/domains/subjects/content which you don't know beforehand.

I'd love a filter which allowed me to block/trash any mail which did not
have a subject and /or content but which has an attatchment - this is
the profile for about 80% of our v-mail.

What is needed is a worldwide blacklist, to which all ISP's subscribe,
so that every new spam can be reported by any one user - validated by
some validator, following which all participating ISP's will update
their blacklist and simply trash that mail - and the originating ISP's
will also know whose account to terminate. My guess is that such a
service would a) earn a fortune b) be popular c)save more collective
bandwidth worldwide than all current technological efforts to increase
bandwidth combined. Maybe there's a good business concept here?

Better still, given the advent of digital iD.s, ISPs should only give
accounts to people who can be traced and held responsible for their
cyber behaviour.

I think that addressing spam and v-mails will become the most important
hurdle in IT development in the next decade.

In the meantime, I think we should not underestimate the bandwidth of a
postage stamp...

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 22
From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO Submissions" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:51:51 -0800
Subject: [lro] re: Airplanes
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The search was to resume this morning.

>This has to be one for the books, or has it happened before?

I used to have a 1946 J-3 and an ex-girlfriend had a similar thing happen
but it just taxied into a ditch and was totaled.

Steve

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Message: 23
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] was Me262 now B-17 (no LR content)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:21:51 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> There is at least one B-17 under restoration (rumored to belong to Paul
Allen)

True.  I did a little digging when I first heard this rumor and found that
it was a B-17E, serial #41-9210 and is part of the Heritage Flying
Collection - with some/all ownership by Paul Allen.  This B-17 currently
resides at the Arlington Municipal Airport, in Arlington, Washington.  The
word is that it is in it's short strokes of a full restoration and will be
flying soon.

This is one of only 5 surviving 'E' airframes and the only one to fly until
the other rumored 'E' is finished (somewhere in the upper mid-west).

An important note here is that there is a rebirth of interest in these
marvelous aircraft and a few more are flying today then have been in past
years.  If anyone gets a chance and has the inclination to take a ride, do
so.  It takes a fools-lot of money to ride in one but if you love the
aircraft the money really doesn't matter.  I got the opportunity to fly in a
B-17G a year ago last summer.  The plane had been sitting for a few hours
before our flight and when it was time to go they had the 7 of us (paying
customers) "turn the props" by hand.  Walking from No. 1 through No. 4 and
rotating the props as we went.  It was a thrill, stupid as it sounds.  And
sitting in the fuselage (I had the right waist gunner position) as the
magnetos whine before the Wright-Cyclones cough to a start - OH MAN OH MAN!

As a side note, I have the whole thing on Hi-8 tape.  Is there any way to
capture stills off of the tape?

Rich

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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:13:15 -0500
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Organization: Coastal Data Systems
To: [email-masked]
CC: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Malignant mail and spam (off topic but relevent?)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> 
> What is needed is a worldwide blacklist, to which all ISP's subscribe,
> so that every new spam can be reported by any one user - validated by
> some validator, following which all participating ISP's will update
> their blacklist and simply trash that mail - and the originating ISP's
> will also know whose account to terminate. My guess is that such a
> service would a) earn a fortune b) be popular c)save more collective
> bandwidth worldwide than all current technological efforts to increase
> bandwidth combined. Maybe there's a good business concept here?

You can get close, but you would need to set up a mail server and run
sendmail. It is available for Windows as well as UNIX. Then go to
http://mail-abuse.org/rbl and read how to configure sendmail to work
with the Realtime Blackhole List.

Steve West-Fisher

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Message: 25
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] was Me262 now B-17 (no LR content)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:50:05 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> As a side note, I have the whole thing on Hi-8 tape.  Is there any way to
> capture stills off of the tape?

Rich,
I can convert the whole thing to digital format and/or create stills.  The
AVI or MPEG can be burned to a cd or placed on the web.  I do not have a DVD
burner yet, but if you know someone with one, you could rip a DVD from the
avi very easily.
Pretty easy to do.  Have all the software and hardware, plugs into my
laptop.

Pete over in Silverdale

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Message: 26
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>,
  <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:21:08 -0800
Subject: [lro] Series question for those of you that own 1971 trucks
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi everyone, 

Anyone out there have 1971 LR's?  Bryan Hoult - you copy?

When was the change made from IIa to III?

What were the differences from the last IIa's and the first III's

Rich 
Seattle

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Message: 27
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] was Me262 now B-17 (no LR content)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:27:53 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Pete,

Let me take you up on this.  I've got about 40 minutes of this B-17 flight
on Hi-8 tape and would love to extract some stills from it.

We'll have to get together one of these days.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: Hope Peter <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] was Me262 now B-17 (no LR content)

>
> > As a side note, I have the whole thing on Hi-8 tape.  Is there any way
to
> > capture stills off of the tape?
>
> Rich,
> I can convert the whole thing to digital format and/or create stills.  The
> AVI or MPEG can be burned to a cd or placed on the web.  I do not have a
DVD
> burner yet, but if you know someone with one, you could rip a DVD from the
> avi very easily.
> Pretty easy to do.  Have all the software and hardware, plugs into my
> laptop.
>
> Pete over in Silverdale
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