Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #204 - 29 msgs

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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:05:54 -0500 (EST)

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Today's Topics:

   1. new toys- new (or more) hazards (Rob MacCormick)
   2. RE: Re: Me262 restoration in Seattle (way off-topic) (Easton Trevor A)
   3. Paint in Spray Cans (Sergi, Michael)
   4. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (William J. Rice)
   5. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (asfco)
   6. Re: Series Tcase Strength (TeriAnn Wakeman)
   7. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (TeriAnn Wakeman)
   8. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (David Scheidt)
   9. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (Rich Williams)
  10. RE: Paint in Spray Cans (Sergi, Michael)
  11. CB Radio Question (Brian Horner)
  12. Airplanes but no Land Rovers (G. Mugele)
  13. Re: Airplanes but no Land Rovers (Gerald)
  14. Re: CB Radio Question (Richard Joltes)
  15. Re: Airplanes but no Land Rovers (Rob MacCormick)
  16. SELF DRIVEN ROVERING (Adrian Redmond)
  17. Re: Airplanes but no Land Rovers ([email-masked])
  18. Thanks for the clutch help ([email-masked])
  19. Car Talk ([email-masked])
  20. Hand Throttles (Elwyn FS)
  21. RE: Paint in Spray Cans (Alan J. Richer)
  22. Re: Airplanes but no Land Rovers (Mark Pilkington)
  23. Re: Hand Throttles (Alan J. Richer)
  24. Vintage Land Rovers in Tennille, GA (RON WARD)
  25. Sears Diehard batteries (Bill Fishel)
  26. Special deal for listers, is it allowed? (Andrew H. Litkowiak)
  27. Jan. 5th - Hollister, CA. (Brian Horner)
  28. ME262 restoration (no LR content) (C. Marin Faure)
  29. Re: Paint in Spray Cans (Paul Oxley)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:22:40 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] new toys- new (or more) hazards
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"I ready to make some sparks ......"

As we get ready to play with our newly acquired tools and toys lets not forget
to evaluate new or additional hazards associated with their
use/presence........Can you say Fire detection/suppression? I thought you
could.....

Rob "Why does everyone keep calling me Mom?" M
safety geek

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Message: 2
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'C. Marin Faure '" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked] '"
  <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Re: Me262 restoration in Seattle (way off-topic)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:53:04 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html resulted from a quick search.
It looks like they are getting close to ground tests.
And yes there are FIVE.

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Message: 3
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:10:55 -0500
Subject: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anyone know where I can locally source some Marine Blue paint in a
spray can?  I have some small bits to do to complete the steering column.
Can I go to any auto body supply store and get it?  I know we talked about
this a few months ago and have the website of someone that does this, but I
would like the paint for the weekend.

Mike

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Message: 4
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:22:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mike,
I think the best way to do this quickly is to get some paint mixed up at
your local paint shop, and purchase glass jars w/ spray and pressure bits
that screw on the top--I think any paint shop will have them.  I looked
into getting custom mixed regular spray paint cans made up and it's just
about impossible.

bill

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:10:55 -0500 "Sergi, Michael"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> Does anyone know where I can locally source some Marine Blue paint 
> in a
> spray can

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:20:59 -0500
From: asfco <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"William J. Rice" wrote:

> Mike,
> I think the best way to do this quickly is to get some paint mixed up at
> your local paint shop, and purchase glass jars w/ spray and pressure bits
> that screw on the top--I think any paint shop will have them.  I looked
> into getting custom mixed regular spray paint cans made up and it's just
> about impossible.
>
> bill
>
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:10:55 -0500 "Sergi, Michael"
> <[email-masked]> writes:
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can locally source some Marine Blue paint
> > in a
> > spray can
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

call TOWER PAINT   1-800-779-6520  they are in Wisconsin and will make up
whatever you wish in a spray can.. just give them the LR paint code I think
they list them under Atlantic British Ltd.
Rgds
Steve Bradke  '68 lla 88

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Message: 6
Subject: Re: [lro] Series Tcase Strength
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 01 07:13:31 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>With this talk about various gearing options and low range
>gearboxes added upstream of the tcase, which would increase
>the torque input into the tcase, I am wondering if anyone
>has info on the strength of the stock Series tcase?  Over
>the years I have heard people state that the Series tcase
>is fairly strong, but no hard data on this.  Does anyone
>have torque input rating figures on the tcase?  How about
>owners who have subjected their Series tcases to increased
>torque input through engine conversions - how are the tcases
>holding up?

I suspect Timm Cooper would have the best data on this since he 
engineered the first adaptors I'm aware of.  He once had a big block 
cadallac engine in an 88 in front of it and played it rough.  I first met 
him while he was waiting for a trailer to take that particular 88 home.  
The front axle housing bent when the 88 landed after a flight at the top 
of a hill (overzellous hill climb).

I'm unaware of any that have died from overstress. The one behind my 302 
is doing just fine.  There are a number of Rovers running around with hi 
performance Chevy 350s in them.  As I've said, I've yet to hear of a 
breakage caused by too much power.  That said, I suspect the A suffix 
would be the weakest and a C suffix or newer box is probably the best bet 
for putting behind a engine with any real HP.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 7
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 01 07:59:00 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I looked
>into getting custom mixed regular spray paint cans made up and it's just
>about impossible.

All depends on where local is.  There is an Auto parts store in 
Watsonville Calif., about a 15 minute drive South of me, that will mix up 
paints and put them into spray cans.

I had some made up with my Land Rover's colour (1972 Jagure british 
racing green) to be used during my engine conversion.  As soon as the 
bulkhead work was done it got cleaned, primed and resprayed with the 
correct colour before the engine went in.  Handy stuff that.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:19:46 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> 
> >I looked
> >into getting custom mixed regular spray paint cans made up and it's just
> >about impossible.
> 
> All depends on where local is.  There is an Auto parts store in 
> Watsonville Calif., about a 15 minute drive South of me, that will mix up 
> paints and put them into spray cans.

There are fewer paint shops that are willing to make spray cans than there
used to be.  I suspect it's that they've had to replace equipment for
environmental reasons, and many places haven't bothered.  If you can't find
someone locally, call tower paint (someone else posted the number).  They
can make you cans with whatever color you want in them.  I've bought from
them, and was quite ahppy with the paint and their service.  If you need the
paint quickly, get your local shop to make up a pint or quart of DuPont
centari mixed for brush application, and put it on with a brush.  

David

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Message: 9
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:47:16 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Actually, at the local auto paint store I have never had any trouble having
them do a custom mix and then loading the rattle cans with that paint.  I
guess it just depends on the quality of the store or something.  The one
major caveat to this is that paint that is put into rattle cans DOES NOT
have any hardener in it.  So you'll match color but not durability.

If you require the hardener then you'll have to go with the setup that Bill
was talking about.  Have them mix the proper pigment for you then mix in the
additives yourself (hardener, etc).  If you still strike out with your local
shop, email me off list and I'll put you in touch with my shop here.
They've sent paint to a few LROs for me without any problems.  I guess they
are "licensed" to ship hazardous materials or something.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: William J. Rice <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans

>
> Mike,
> I think the best way to do this quickly is to get some paint mixed up at
> your local paint shop, and purchase glass jars w/ spray and pressure bits
> that screw on the top--I think any paint shop will have them.  I looked
> into getting custom mixed regular spray paint cans made up and it's just
> about impossible.
>
> bill
>
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:10:55 -0500 "Sergi, Michael"
> <[email-masked]> writes:
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can locally source some Marine Blue paint
> > in a
> > spray can
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 10
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:14:28 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I guess this is what I will do.  I have the paint, hardener, reducer
already.  But to mix enough to fill the spray pot would be a waste.  I've
seen the small sprayer which incorporates an aerosol canister.  I'll try
that.  Thanks.

Mike 

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:58:53 -0800
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] CB Radio Question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, my brother got me a swell new CB and 10 foot antenna whip for
Christmas this year (sure beats another tie!). Before I run out and install
it I was wondering where most people mounted their antenna from?  I assume I
should install it to the rear bumper area on my 88" and bend it over and
above the passenger door with a gutter clamp but my assumptions usually get
me into trouble so I thought I should check with the "List" first.

Thanks and happy holiday!

Brian.... "Over!"

-----------------------
http://www.roverme.org
"Land Rover community, links and email services."

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:53:11 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Airplanes but no Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Since so many Land Rover Owners here are concerned with flying and 
aircraft I thought you might enjoy hearing about a major oddity of a 
happenstance here in Sonoma County, Calif.

Yesterday, at about 3:00 PM a man landed his 55 year old Aeronca 
Champion in a farm field west of Petaluma, in an area known for high 
winds.  (The farm belongs to his son.)  Ten minutes after landing he 
attempted to restart the engine but flooded it.  After several 
attempts he turned the prop and it caught but the throttle was 
forward and the plane took off.  Yup.... with no one on board.  He 
and his son chased it in a car until they lost sight which was after 
about ten minutes.  They called the sheriff who notified everyone who 
might be at risk.

But despite an immediate aerial search the plane can't be found. 
They searched until dark and assuming that it crashed somewhere 
Northeast of Petaluma after two hours, localized the search from the 
air.  Based on the weight of the craft, the wind and the amount of 
fuel remaining on board two hours appears to be the maximum time it 
could have remained aloft.

The search was to resume this morning.

This has to be one for the books, or has it happened before?
Cheers,
Gerry Mugele    --  ("Peat" '95 D90 SW)

***  They say  "Great Discoveries are made by not following 
instructions."   Does this explain Land Rover assembly line practices?

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Message: 13
From: Gerald <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Airplanes but no Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:11:45 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Funny store. It was found
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011227/us/unmanned_plane_1.html and it
has happened before (see same article for a few instances).

How far could a Land Rover go by itself?

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:53:11 -0800, you wrote:

>
>Since so many Land Rover Owners here are concerned with flying and 
>aircraft I thought you might enjoy hearing about a major oddity of a 
>happenstance here in Sonoma County, Calif.
>
. . . .
>
>This has to be one for the books, or has it happened before?
>Cheers,
>Gerry Mugele    --  ("Peat" '95 D90 SW)
>

--
Gerald
[email-masked]

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:11:55 -0500
From: Richard Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] CB Radio Question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Brian Horner wrote:
> 
> Well, my brother got me a swell new CB and 10 foot antenna whip for
> Christmas this year (sure beats another tie!). Before I run out and install
> it I was wondering where most people mounted their antenna from?  I assume I
> should install it to the rear bumper area on my 88" and bend it over and
> above the passenger door with a gutter clamp but my assumptions usually get
> me into trouble so I thought I should check with the "List" first.

>From what I recall of vehicle-type CB radio antennae (it's been about
15 years since I did this), most use the body of the car as the 
ground plane.  Thus you get better reception forward of the car if the
antenna is mounted on the rear, and vice-versa.  There was also some
suggestion that mounting on the right-rear corner was best all around
since this gave you a 'forward-and-to-the-left' dispersal pattern.
This was one of the reasons the real fanatics mount(ed) twin sticks
on their cars -- it evened out the pattern.

Of course, antenna design may have changed somewhat since then.  I'd
expect the instructions to contain some suggestions regarding the
best location for the beast.  They should also tell you to tune the
antenna for the best SWR reading (1:1 being the ideal), which is 
quite important.

Cheers,

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:32:46 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Airplanes but no Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> How far could a Land Rover go by itself?

Good question, my land cruiser drove itself twice:
1) In a traffic jam - I put in it low range and got out and got a beverage
from the back as it idled along.

2) stuck on slick ice - low first, I got out and pushed until it unitl it
got some traction and then jumped in and drove away

My rover hasn't driven itself yet....driven me batty? sure, but not yet
driven itself..

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:25:53 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] SELF DRIVEN ROVERING
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That's the beauty of the hand throttle in the series. Drop it into low
ratio, jack up the had throttle and let it crawl, then hope out and load
bales of hay onto the bed or into the trailer behind, then jump in at
the end of the field and turn round. Works almost every year!

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 17
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:52:54 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Airplanes but no Land Rovers
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> How far could a Land Rover go by itself?
> 
> 

The Aeronca champ which took off from Redding, or Red Bluff was a standard 
model more or less (it was in the sixties or so, so throw me a bone.) flew 
some 4 or 5 hours. Book cruise fuel flow is something like 4 gallons hour, 
and it had full fuel.  Warm starts can be hell to achieve, so part throttle 
is a standard technique. The temptation is to then use just a little more, so 
then the thing goes off like a chainsaw while you're face is at the business 
end. Commonly this occurs on cross country flights when refueling and 
preparing for the next takeoff at some unfamiliar location with the warm 
engine. The thing flies better without the added weight of the pilot, and 
then performs slow circles in the surrounding area, gaining and losing 
altitude dependent on the trim set and power set. The incident I mentioned 
shut down all general aviation in the Sacramento Valley at the time. The part 
throttle setting increases the duration beyond the normal cruise duration.

Zack

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Message: 18
To: [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:00:11 Canada/Eastern
Subject: [lro] Thanks for the clutch help
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'd like to thank those of you who helped with my clutch problems.  To 
summarize, the flexible hose connecting to the slave cylinder rubbed against 
the firewall until it wore through.  I ordered a new hose from Paul Safari at 4 
PM on Boxing Day, and it arrived in Ottawa at 10 AM the next day!  With the new 
part in, and all the air bled out of the clutch system, I'm on the road again.

I think that the clutch is still dragging a little bit, as it did before all of 
this happened.  It has a tendency to spin-up the front of the gearbox when in 
neutral with the pedal pressed.  It makes a bit of a whining noise when it does 
this, even though the gearbox itself is silent in neutral.  I shall look at 
adjusting it when I get back to Toronto -- tomorrow if the Rover gods are good 
to me.

Doug

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Message: 19
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:01:07 EST
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Car Talk
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sunday, on Car Talk my wife tells me that they discussed a Series Land Rover. 
The discussion was regarding an unfortunate individual who had taken some 
pounds of butter to point B in the dash, of his Rover. Subsequent heating, 
microbial action and the passage of time had created a smell which surpassed 
the normal 90 weight miasma. Oddly the driver noticed the odor above the 
normal stinks.  He wished to obtain advice as to how to remove the foul 
smell. The Click and Clack Brothers didn't have a lot of advice for the 
tenderfoot. 

Chumps, have they no lakes or carwashes?

Zack

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:38:02 +0000
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
From: Elwyn FS <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Hand Throttles
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How easy is it to set up/install a hand throttle on a Series. I actually 
have a lightweight, but the cab is similar to a series 2 with the flat dash?

Cheers

Elwyn

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:51:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
wrote:
>  But to mix enough to fill the spray pot
> would be a waste. 

Simple fix for that - a baby-food jar with a hole in
the lid, with a grommet the size of the spray tube on
your gun.

FIll the BF jar with whatever amount of paint you
need, put the lid w/grommet over the  spray tube then
screw on the jar. Jar and all goes in the spray pot
(don't forget a small hole in the BF jar lid for air
to get in).

Spray, then discard the jar or clean it. THis way you
mix a small amount and the jar keeps it in check.
Works really well with most types of gun as the
pressure in the pot will be the same inside and out of
the jar - no pressure variations to shatter the glass.

Simple, no? 

             ajr

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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:06:57 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Airplanes but no Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

They found it crashed in woods about 55 miles from where it took off on
the edge of Lake Baressa. The maximum hight it attained was 10,000 feet
because they had it on Radar.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

"G. Mugele" wrote:

> Since so many Land Rover Owners here are concerned with flying and
> aircraft I thought you might enjoy hearing about a major oddity of a
> happenstance here in Sonoma County, Calif.
>
> Yesterday, at about 3:00 PM a man landed his 55 year old Aeronca
> Champion in a farm field west of Petaluma, in an area known for high
> winds.  (The farm belongs to his son.)  Ten minutes after landing he
> attempted to restart the engine but flooded it.  After several
> attempts he turned the prop and it caught but the throttle was
> forward and the plane took off.  Yup.... with no one on board.  He
> and his son chased it in a car until they lost sight which was after
> about ten minutes.  They called the sheriff who notified everyone who
> might be at risk.
>
> But despite an immediate aerial search the plane can't be found.
> They searched until dark and assuming that it crashed somewhere
> Northeast of Petaluma after two hours, localized the search from the
> air.  Based on the weight of the craft, the wind and the amount of
> fuel remaining on board two hours appears to be the maximum time it
> could have remained aloft.
>
> The search was to resume this morning.
>
> This has to be one for the books, or has it happened before?
> Cheers,
> Gerry Mugele    --  ("Peat" '95 D90 SW)
>
> ***  They say  "Great Discoveries are made by not following
> instructions."   Does this explain Land Rover assembly line practices?
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:02:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Hand Throttles
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Pretty simple, if the dash has a flat bit you can bolt
the quadrant to.

Most folks who don't have an original Series one use a
hand throttle cable  with an external lock. Not too
fond of these - they do work, but I'd be fariad of it
jamming at an inopportune moment.

The Series one as you've seen in other cars comes in
basically two sections. The interior bit is the
quadrant, which bolts to the panel under the gauge
cluster. A pull-rod then goes through a grommet in the
dash to a throttle rod that extends across the
firewall side, This takes the place of the short
throttle pivot on the bulkhead above the accelerator
that the pedal works off.

This way, a rotation of the lever on the quardrant
pulls the rod like pressing the accelerator pedal
would.

             ajr
--- Elwyn FS <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> How easy is it to set up/install a hand throttle on
> a Series. I actually 
> have a lightweight, but the cab is similar to a
> series 2 with the flat dash?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Elwyn
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:08:10 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Vintage Land Rovers in Tennille, GA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone ever dealt with John Dorr at Vintage land Rovers in Tennille, Georgia?

Thanks,

Ron Ward
Columbus, GA

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Message: 25
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:04:34 -0500
Subject: [lro] Sears Diehard batteries
Reply-To: [email-masked]

RETAIL 
Sears settles gov't battery case
The firm will pay $63 mil over bad car batteries. It'll take a Q4 charge of 12 cents a share. The U.S. attorney's office for the Southern District of Illinois said Sears (S) defrauded consumers by selling defective DieHard batteries in '94 and '95. Exide Technologies (EX) made the batteries. It pleaded guilty to fraud in March and agreed to pay $27.5 mil. 

This might explain why some of you had bad batteries.
Bill

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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:25:27 -0600
From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" <[email-masked]>
To: Land Rover List <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Special deal for listers, is it allowed?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi gang,

I'm putting together a wholesale deal on a specialty vehicle product
for my friends on the Land Cruiser list. Can I do that here?

It would involve me getting the stuff in bulk and offering it here at
lower than local prices. I'm doing it at cost, basically for the fun
of it. I'm not sure if it would be practical for anyone outside the US
or Canada due to shipping costs.

If this violates list rules, I'll just be quiet.

Andy Litkowiak

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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:50:43 -0800
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Jan. 5th - Hollister, CA.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi Everyone,

If you free and willing, a few friends and I are heading down to Hollister
for a little fun on Saturday, January 5th.  If you are interested in joining
or meeting up with us on this informal adventure, please contact me off-list
and we can set up a meeting place.  So far, I am the lone Rover and it would
be a welcome site to have some others around!

Hollister Hills State Vehicular Recreation Area
http://www.hollisterhills.com/parkinfo.html

Ciao!

Brian

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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:22:57 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "C. Marin Faure" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] ME262 restoration (no LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For those of you interested in what this project is, check out this URL
that was supplied by Trevor Easton-
http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html

It will tell you everything you want to know.

Basically, this project is not the restoration of any actual ME262s but a
re-creation project.  It sounds similar to the GeeBee R-2 re-creation that
was built several years ago, but in this case five Me262 replicas are being
built.  A museum's non-flying but genuine Me262 was used to determine
dimensional data and construction methods, and the five new planes are
being built as close as possible to those specifications.  Obviously, some
things cannot be duplicated, like the original airplane's Jumo turbojet
engines.  A newer GE engine of similar dimensions is being used instead.

The project was started in Texas, but has shifted to Washington State.
There are a number of retired Boeing people involved in the effort, and I'm
assuming that they are using the Museum of Flight's restoration facility at
Paine Field.  So this project does not appear to be an undertaking by the
museum but a private effort.  Perhaps what I heard being discussed in the
meeting I mentioned earlier was whether the museum wanted to let the
Stormbirds group use their facility, and how much they (the museum) wanted
to get involved.  Or perhaps the museum has made a deal to keep or display
one of the planes in return for letting the group use their facility.

I don't know what actual museum restoration projects are currently
underway.  They have done a Boeing Model 80A (non-flying, in the museum),
and a Boeing 247 (the only one flying, it lives at the Paine Field
facility).  The absolutely gorgeous Boeing Model 307 Stratoliner
restoration completed this year was not a Museum of Flight project.  It was
restored by Boeing volunteers and it flies, but is the property of the
Smithsonian Institute's National Air & Space Museum.  It is the only
Stratoliner in existance (I believe only 11 were ever made before WWII put
an end to production).  I believe the Museum of Flight also has a de
Havilland Comet that may be under restoration at Paine Field, probably not
to flying status.

There are a lot of restored or under-restoration airplanes in this area.  A
friend of mine just bought a Grumman TBM Avenger, and there is another one
in Olympia.  There is at least one B-17 under restoration (rumored to
belong to Paul Allen), a very nice Spitfire, which I've seen (also Paul
Allen), a whole host of AT-6s and T-28s, a privately owned Vought Corsair,
and it's rumored that there are a number of other interesting planes in a
locked hangar at Arlington airport, which is supposedly where Paul Allen is
assembling his collection.

The Museum of Flight has been given an impressive collection of restored
warbirds that formerly belonged to a wealthy collector in, I believe,
California.  When these planes, all of them flyable I have been told, will
start appearing here I have no idea.

Just today, I was driving my SIII on an errand near Auburn, south of
Seattle, and I noticed two Antonov AN-2s parked on the ramp.  Huge
airplanes for this little general aviation field.  Both had identical white
and blue paint jobs, but I have no idea who owns them or why they're here.
The AN-2 is the great big cabin biplane with the single radial on the nose.
They are still used in Russia and the other former Soviet Union states as
short range commercial transports.  Very good planes, I've heard.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:06:10 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Paint in Spray Cans
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Alan J. Richer" wrote:

> Works really well with most types of gun 

Brilliant idea..., really.

'cept with a gravity feed :-{>}
 
Regards

Paul (there's just no pleasing some folk) Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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