Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #202 - 14 msgs

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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:06:49 -0500 (EST)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: test (Frank Elson)
   2. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays (Rob Modica)
   3. Merry Christmas and a Happy Holidays (Rob Modica)
   4. Redline (A. P. "Sandy" Grice)
   5. Re: Redline (TeriAnn Wakeman)
   6. Me262 restoration in Seattle (way off-topic) (N Forbes)
   7. Mechanic in Ottawa ([email-masked])
   8. Merry Christmas - Clutch problems (Nick Danger)
   9. Re: Me262 restoration in Seattle (way off-topic) (Andrew H. Litkowiak)
  10. Re: 2.25 redline (Keith Tanner)
  11. Re: Merry Christmas - Clutch problems (William J. Rice)
  12. Re: Merry Christmas - Clutch problems (Keith Tanner)
  13. Re: Mechanic in Ottawa (Keith Tanner)
  14. Re: Redline (Keith Tanner)

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Message: 1
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] test
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:39:58 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

you write:Maybe Frank got a new 'puter for Christmas??<<<

no, been off-line for four days, still got the shakes...
I really, really, didn't need that on top of everything...

... thanks Datalas for coming out, late Xmas Eve, to help... (he got his
donuts!) and Phil Norris for long-range advice

Merry Xmas everyone

Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:31:40 -0700
From: Rob Modica <[email-masked]>
To: azlro <[email-masked]>, Mendo_Recce <[email-masked]>, LRO
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Merry Christmas and a Happy Holidays to the entire worldwide Land
Rover community.

To everyone a prosperous and peaceful New Year.

May all your drips be 90wt.

        Arizona Land Rover Owners
Rob Modica     '51 Series I  80"  16136629
Tucson AZ      '60 Series II 109" 16400620
[email-masked]   '94 Disco 5 spd
   A Land Rover owner/driver since 1973

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:39:41 -0700
From: Rob Modica <[email-masked]>
To: LRO <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Merry Christmas and a Happy Holidays
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Merry Christmas and a Happy Holidays to the entire worldwide Land
Rover community.

To everyone a prosperous and peaceful New Year.

May all your drips be 90wt.

        Arizona Land Rover Owners
Rob Modica     '51 Series I  80"  16136629
Tucson AZ      '60 Series II 109" 16400620
[email-masked]   '94 Disco 5 spd
   A Land Rover owner/driver since 1973

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:07:46 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Redline
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]> wrote:

>I do not think LR ever published a redline for the engine.  I've seen 
>factory power specs on a fresh engine for as high as 4250 RPM, so I would 
>suspect the real redline is higher than that but probably not all that 
>much higher.

Jim Allen found (from personal experimentation and with negative outcomes)
that a 2.25 grenades at about 5,200 RPMs....

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Message: 5
Subject: Re: [lro] Redline
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 01 15:23:10 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

So that pretty much insinuates that the redline is in that 950 RPM range 
between 4250 and 5200 RPM. I would guess that the HP peak is probably 
fairly sharp and would guess about 4350 RPM as a practical redline on a 
healthy engine.  Not much use going into an area with the HP dropping and 
an uncertain grenade point nearby.

>>I do not think LR ever published a redline for the engine.  I've seen 
>>factory power specs on a fresh engine for as high as 4250 RPM, so I would 
>>suspect the real redline is higher than that but probably not all that 
>>much higher.
>
>Jim Allen found (from personal experimentation and with negative outcomes)
>that a 2.25 grenades at about 5,200 RPMs....

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
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Message: 6
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 02:46:02 +0000
Subject: [lro] Me262 restoration in Seattle (way off-topic)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin, do you know anything about the Me262 restoration being conducted in 
Seattle? I think it's being done at Boeing.

Thanks,

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 7
To: [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:13:17 Canada/Eastern
Subject: [lro] Mechanic in Ottawa
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Can anybody recommend a good Land Rover mechanic in Ottawa, preferably one who 
works on Boxing Day?  The clutch in my SIIA has just failed, leaving me doing 
all of my starts with the starter motor in low first.  I just drove down for 
the holidays, and would like to get myself, plus rover, back to Toronto soonish.

Doug

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Message: 8
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: LRO <[email-masked]>
Date: 25 Dec 2001 22:54:41 -0500
Subject: [lro] Merry Christmas - Clutch problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Merry Christmas to everyone!

Driving to the grocery for Xmas to get a few last minute items when I
couldn't shift into second. I let the clutch back out, pressed it in
again and all is fine. Weird and I kept driving. On the way home in
happened a few more times and I had to kick the mat out from under the
pedals to get enough travel of the clutch pedal to disengage so I could
shift without griding gears. Sometimes all worked well and other times I
had to either lean really really hard, or double clutch, or just coast
in neutral and pray for a few seconds and try again before it worked. 

I just checked the fluid and all seems well (1/2 between min and max,
where its been since every other time I've checked). The Haynes manual
says the clutch should only need adjustment when its changed.Maybe I'm
leaking fluid? I checked around the engine compartment and I didn't see
any leaking fluid. Its dark and I was not dressed for crawling around
under but I'll check that tomorrow.

Anyone have suggestions? Things to check? I usually avoid anything like
this and refer to experts but I don't think I could drive this to the
mechanic in current condition (hes about 1 hour away) and if its
something really stupid (like an adjustment of a screw and addition of
fluid) I don't want to feel too dumb. So I'll feel dumb to all you
instead :-)

Merry Xmas Everyone!!

-Nick

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:28:26 -0600
From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Me262 restoration in Seattle (way off-topic)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Aiiieeeeeeeee!!!!!!

Pictures! Links! Web Site!

GIVE!!

Sorry. I'm calm now.

Errr....ahem. Well, this sounds like an interesting concept. I may
have a passing interest, were I able to free up a few moments to
peruse any available material.

Thanks,

Andy Litkowiak
WWII Combat Aircraft Fanatic

N Forbes wrote:
> 
> Marin, do you know anything about the Me262 restoration being conducted in
> Seattle? I think it's being done at Boeing.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
> 
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:28:28 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 2.25 redline
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When I had my 2.25 (7:1) on the dyno, it reached max power at around 3200 
rpm. While I didn't spin it above 4100, it was definitely declining.

Keith

At 17:10 22/12/01 -0800, you wrote:

>My owners manual states that the petrol gets max horsepower at 4200rpms, but
>no mention of redline.

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Message: 11
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:25:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] Merry Christmas - Clutch problems
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nick,
If it came on suddenly I'd suspect your master cylinder, flex line, or
slave cylinder.  It's unlikely that it's merely an adjustment problem if
it started quick-like.  It's also quite possible for you to have a faulty
cylinder w/o losing any fluid, and I think (this is just a hunch) that
the fact that you've lost no fluid points to the master cylinder--it's
seal could be bad and just not pushing any fluid (though this would
probably result in some fluid on the pedal).  A faulty slave would
probably leak, I think.  

So finding a local rover pal w/ some master cylinder rebuild kits would
be great--it's not a long job to rebuild it, though it likely will
involve removing the wing.

Where are you located?  Do you know how to drive w/o the clutch?  It's
not too hard to do, and if your mechanic is an hour away, it wouldn't be
impossible at all, especially if there are few stops between you and him.

I once had a flex line die while offroading about an hour from home and,
though I had a spare on board didn't want to mess with it in the woods,
and I drove home by starting the truck in first gear, then shifting
through the gears carefully w/o using the clutch at all--just listen/feel
for the normal shift points and it pops right in.  When approaching
stops, downshift a long way out, try to avoid stopping completely, but if
you have to do so, just downshift into first and turn off the ignition
switch just as you brake to a stop, restarting it in gear to get going
again.

bill

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:31:17 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Merry Christmas - Clutch problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What model?

Keith

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:33:16 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mechanic in Ottawa
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sounds like a hydraulic failure - yes? I might be able to help you out as 
I'm in Ottawa for the holiday. Give me a call at 276 2466. I don't have a 
lot of spares kicking around town here, but I know a few folks who might.

Keith

At 22:13 25/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Can anybody recommend a good Land Rover mechanic in Ottawa, preferably one 
>who
>works on Boxing Day?  The clutch in my SIIA has just failed, leaving me doing
>all of my starts with the starter motor in low first.  I just drove down for
>the holidays, and would like to get myself, plus rover, back to Toronto 
>soonish.
>
>Doug
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:37:24 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Redline
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>So that pretty much insinuates that the redline is in that 950 RPM range
>between 4250 and 5200 RPM. I would guess that the HP peak is probably
>fairly sharp and would guess about 4350 RPM as a practical redline on a
>healthy engine.

Actually, the HP peak was sustained (more or less) on my engine from 3000 
to 3600 or so. Very flat. Peak torque was available at idle or slightly above.

http://keith.miata.net/landy/Basil_dyno.pdf

Note: 38 hp at the wheels, but it doesn't run any slower than a stock 
Series. That power is absorbed by the transmission...

Keith

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