Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #195 - 14 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air. (Edit 2)
   2. Re: LR trailer ([email-masked])
   3. Re: Pilots and Land Rovers ([email-masked])
   4. Re: Spark plug leak on NADA 1969 and oil pressure gauge (David Scheidt)
   5. Pilots and Rovers (Monika & Steve Rochna)
   6. Re: Pilots and Land Rovers ([email-masked])
   7. Re: Strange Land Rover ([email-masked])
   8. Re: Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air. ([email-masked])
   9. Re: Re: LR trailer (Hope Peter)
  10. Re: Strange Land Rover (Faure, Marin)
  11. Re: Strange Land Rover (Faure, Marin)
  12. Re: Strange Land Rover (Faure, Marin)
  13. Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air. (Faure, Marin)
  14. Chicago Land Rover Club Article (Tim Czajka)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:38:34 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
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To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As they say, there are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold
pilots

:-)
 
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Message: 2
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
cc: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:20:06 +1000
Subject: [lro] Re: LR trailer
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter,

be sure to put a plate over the 'hogs head' as suggested as this is an integral
part of the strength in the axle housing - ie otherwise the axle housing will
bend.  Rotating the housing will require you to change the spring mounts - If I
were going to this amount of trouble I would do the staem pipe thing as
mentioned below - neater and probably easier.

I got a friend to make up a solid 2" square tube with axle housing end
equavelents welded on (I've heard of a piece of heavy steam pipe being used with
actual axle housing ends), The stub axle and brake backing plate was then bolted
up, the standard hub, drive flange and end cap were used.  As you have
suggested, the bearings were packed in grease - several (6) years later, still
as good as new - I've removed the wheels once, about a year ago to check the
bearings and everything was fine, put some new grease in for good measure.

There is no need to use the brake backing plate nor the brake drum if you don't
want to, just make sure your wheel studs are threaded deep enough to hold the
wheel on properly, some studs have a longer 'blank' section which is usually
taken up by the brake drum

Richard C

Aloha,
I am replacing the stock rear axle on my 88 with a salisbury.  I am also
switching over to parabolics at all corners.
I was thinking of taking the old springs and axle and building a small
trailer.
Am I right in thinking that I can remove the axle shafts, all brake
components and the hogs head?  i know with a c-clip type axle if the shaft
breaks the wheel comes off.  Rover is full floating, so I can remove all of
the above components and not need to worry about the wheels coming off?

I was thinking that after removing the hogs head I could just bolt a flat
plate in it's place, I could even go as far as rotating the axle 90 degrees
so this flat spot is at the bottom of the mounted axle, thus increasing the
clearance a bit.

I could drill and tap a drain hole in the plate and drill and tap the
breather larger for a fill hole.  Or should I just grease the wheel bearings
and recheck em yearly/seasonaly?

Thanks
Pete

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Message: 3
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:25:28 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Pilots and Land Rovers
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Pilots appreciate functionality, no "fluff"....plus we pilots all like 
turning wrenches, figuring out why things work the way they do.  Thats what 
makes owning a Series vehicle so rewarding.  Simple, functional, 
durable..."If it aint Boeing, I aint going"....

Rob Phillips
747 Pilot/'67 109 SW
ex-Navy Pilot
Northwest Airlines
Seattle
[email-masked]

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:33:26 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Spark plug leak on NADA 1969 and oil pressure gauge
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Doug Sinclair wrote:

> 
> I could use some advice on how to fix exhaust gas leaks around the spark
> plugs on my 1969 NADA 109 (6 cyl, with Westlake head).  I have put in a new
> set of Champion N4C plugs, installed as-is with the little metal sealing
> washer present.  When I fill the depressions around the spark plugs with
> water, I see bubbles from cylinders 1, 4, 5 and 6.  Tightening the plugs as
> far as I dare does not seem to help.
> 
> Is this typical behaviour?

No.  Spark plugs should provide a gas tight seal.  It's possible that you
have defective spark plugs.  It's also possible that you have erosion on the
threads around the spark plugs.  Since it's not happening on all cylinders
you have at least one non-leaking plug.  Remove the plugs, inspect the
threads for damage, inspect the tapped holes inj the head for damage or
erosion, and put the known-good plugs in a differtn cylinder.  If the
problem goes away with the new plug, your spark plugs are defective, get
some new ones.  If it doesn't it's the head.  It's possile to repair these
threads.

> Should I remove the sealing washer?
> Should I add some gasketing compound?
> Is the Champion N4C the right plug?  The tappet cover calls for Champion N4.
> 
> Also
> 
> My oil pressure light is on most of the time.  Just after starting, during
> idle, it tends to be off.  Revving in neutral will turn it off.  During
> highway driving it is almost always on.  I'm using recently changed 20W50.
> My truck has the sender for an analog oil pressure gauge, but the dashboard
> dial itself has been removed at some point in the past.  I was thinking that
> it would be a good idea to hook up an ohmeter to this sender so that I can
> see if it is the gauge that is at fault, or the oil pressure itself.  Can

Put a real, mechanical oil presswure gauge on this engine, and see if yoyu
have proper pressure or not.  If you've got low oil pressure, you ruin it
very very quickly.

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Message: 5
From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO Submissions" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:45:26 -0800
Subject: [lro] Pilots and Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I sent Sandy Grice a photo of a jet with a Rover club sticker on it when I
was on my first Tomcat cruise with the quote:  "The F-14B is much like a
Land Rover.  It leaks constantly - often to excess, requires constant
tweaking, has a stiff suspension, take abuse well,  will almost always get
the job done and burns gas like your mother-in-law was buying."  Maybe
that'll answer for some of us.

Personally I have always liked the no B. S.,  fix it anywhere design.

Steve Rochna - Fallon, NV
1972 88"
1968 110"

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Message: 6
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:05:34 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Pilots and Land Rovers
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/18/01 9:46:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

Mark, is Wardens the Toyota series copy guy? If it is , he does good work.

What brings pilots to Rovers?  Good sense.

Bless our feet, for they carry us to sin.  Bless our Rovers, because we're in 
a hurry, and the pub will close soon.

Zack

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Message: 7
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:17:24 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/18/01 1:09:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email-masked] 
writes:

> $28,000 invested? In what?
> 
> 

Hype, powder coating, and Rolls Royce engine naming research.
In short a market study for people just like us, but with larger wallets
Zack

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Message: 8
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:32:46 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/18/01 5:08:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> When did an emergency landing to a full stop get removed from the flight
> test for a private pilot?
> 
> 

Long time ago.

When my instructor pulled the gas all the way back in flight one time in 
1979, he was looking at a nice long field ahead. With a tractor quietly 
pulling a landplane. I immediately altered course for a shorter field that 
also had a tractor driver calmly leveling away.  After we set up for landing 
and quietly made the approach, etc., he added the power back, and we wandered 
back to the field to shoot landings. In the after action, he wanted to chew 
me out about choosing the shorter (but still very serviceable) field. I told 
him that the long field was being leveled by Jose, who was illegal, and would 
run away rather than provide any aid if we biffed the landing. I also told 
him the shorter field saw being planed by Humberto, who was legally in the 
country, loved airplanes and knew first aid. He left me alone after that.

Never did the full stop in practice, only in anger. There are no atheists in 
foxholes, but it gets very quiet in the airplane when the engine quits.

Zack

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Message: 9
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: LR trailer
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:39:58 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I got a friend to make up a solid 2" square tube with axle housing end
> equavelents welded on (I've heard of a piece of heavy steam pipe being
used with
> actual axle housing ends), The stub axle and brake backing plate was then
bolted
> up, the standard hub, drive flange and end cap were used.

So if i understand correctly, I could weld a plate with the stub bolt
pattern to the end of a beam and then use the stub, hub, flange and bearings
and have a trailer with the same wheel bolt pattern as the towwer?
Great idea. thx
Pete

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Message: 10
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:32:27 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>What the hell is this engine in this Land Rover.  Anyone seen the likes of
it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599295519&
r=0&t=0

If this is indeed a military "Completely Knocked Down" vehicle, 
which means it would have been shipped to some other country 
for assembly, Lord knows what kind of engine it might have had.  
If it was sent under contract to India or whatever, I suppose it's 
conceivable that that country's military might have specified 
a different engine than the normal Rover powerplant.

I suspect, though, that it's a re-engine job of an original 
vehicle.  Assuming the photo is not flipped (I can't tell 
by the writing on the tires), there appears to be a carburetor 
or a carburetor mounting flange of some sort on the right 
side of the engine.  It also does not appear from the photo 
that the top of the engine will clear the underside of a stock 
bonnet.  It seems to be a much larger engine than the Rover
engine.  It also appears to be in much better condition 
than the vehicle it's sitting in, which makes me wonder if 
it's a recent attempt at a conversion.  So who makes big, 
red, four-cylinder engines?

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 11
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:58:15 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>What the hell is this engine in this Land Rover.  Anyone seen the likes of
it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599295519&
r=0&t=0

I wrote my earlier posts before I realized there was a whole 
lineup of photos below the first screen at the URL.  What is 
the significance of the "UNE" on the rocker cover?  Is this 
a designation that Rolls Royce used?

Also, can anyone tell if this is a RHD or LHD vehicle?
In one of the shots of the transmission, what I assume 
is the handbrake rigging is sitting on the ground behind 
it.  Now I'm not familiar with the handbrake rigging for 
a RHD vehicle, but does it incorporate the same 
"transfer" rod that runs across a LHD vehicle so a
lever on the left side of the transmission hump can pull 
the rod coming out of the right side of the drum?  The 
attachment for the handle looks to be at the 
extreme left end of the transfer rod, where it is 
on my LHD vehicle.  However, what I don't know 
is if the parking brake handle is ALWAYS mounted 
on the left side of the transmission hump regardless 
of the position of the steering wheel.

Also, the steering relay is on the left hand side of the 
vehicle.  Again not knowing the exact layout of a 
RHD Series, wouldn't the steering relay have to 
be on the same side of the vehicle as the 
steering wheel and box?  I can understand how a 
transverse tube can be used to accommodate a 
left or right mounted accelerator, and I can 
understand how a similar transverse tube could 
be used to accommodate a left or right mounted 
parking brake lever, if that's what they did.  But 
I'm having a tough time envisioning how the 
rotational movement of a steering wheel can 
be transmitted across the vehicle to become 
a fore and aft movement of  the relay arm.  
I would think it would be a hell of a lot easier 
to simply mount the relay on the same side as the 
steering wheel.

If that's the case, and this is a LHD vehicle, would 
any of these so-called "special" Rolls Royce-engined 
Series I's that were built for the British military have been 
LHD vehicles?

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 12
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:48:17 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:37:28 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>first thing that comes to mind is one of 
the Rolls Royce powered SIs that Rover 
built for the military in the 50s.  It says the 
engine can be replaced by the one of the 
aircraft that transported it, so that would 
lead me to believe that it is a Rolls.  
VERY VERY VERY rare indeed, let 
alone in the USA!

If I read this correctly, and you are saying 
that the engine in the special SI could be 
replaced by an engine removed from the 
plane that transported it, I cannot imagine 
any aircraft engine, particularly from the 
1950s, that would be so small and have 
so little power.  Rolls Royce aero engines 
are damn near the SIZE of a Series I.  An 
aircraft having the ability to take off, let 
alone carry something like a vehicle, 
would have to have a whole wingful of 
Land Rover-sized engines.  Even 
the Cessna 206 I used to fly, which is 
not large or powerful enough to carry 
a vehicle, had a 300 horsepower, 
six-cylinder engine.

By the 1950s, liquid-cooled 
engines were "out" because 
they could not develop the same 
power-to-weight ratio as the 
large radials from Pratt & Whitney 
and Wright.  Jets and turboprops
were on the way in.  I can't imagine 
any aircraft company even considering 
a relatively heavy, liquid-cooled, low-
powered engine as a powerplant for 
any kind of aircraft.  There were 
all sorts of nice air-cooled four and 
six cylinder aviation engines available 
in the 1950s from Lycoming and 
Continental, plus I'm sure European 
manufacturers as well.

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your post.  
But even if that four cylinder engine in 
the photo put out 200 horsepower, I can't 
imagine anyone wanting to use if for an 
airplane, no matter who made the engine.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 13
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:13:08 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:24:20 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The decision to fly a commercial airliner without properly functioning fuel

guages or supposedly malfunctioning fuel gauges was an unsat. decision.

Actually, it happens more than you think.  The electronic fuel gauges are
not 
the only way to accurately measure the fuel being pumped into the plane. 
All jetliners also have fuel tank dipsticks, which are not dipsticks per se,

but devices that come down out of the wing and indicate exactly how 
much fuel is in each tank.  So the plane can be fueled without the 
use of the electrical fuel quantity system.  Commercial jetliners are 
not filled completely filled with fuel for each flight.  Only sufficient
fuel 
for the flight plus a 45 minute reserve is loaded.  Depending on the 
length of the flight, this means that a lot more people or cargo can be
carried, as there's no point carting around several tons of fuel you 
aren't going to use. (This is why the 9/11 terrorists picked the 
flights they did- they were all transcontinental flights, which 
meant the planes would be carrying more fuel than the same 
kinds of planes going from the east coast to the midwest, southeast, 
etc.).

All airplane types have an MEL, a minimum equipment list.  
This list contains the items that MUST be operational when 
the airplane is dispatched.  A functioning fuel quantity 
measuring system is on the MEL, but it can be the dipsticks 
if there is a problem with the electrical quantity system.  In 
the air, there are other ways of telling how much fuel the plane 
is using, fuel flow displays, etc.  Also, remember that the 
Gimli Glider incident occurred in the early 1980s when 
glass cockpits were very new.  There have been many, 
many changes since then, and today's electronic fuel 
quantity systems are not only more reliable, they 
are more redundant.

But a plane can be dispatched on some kinds of flights 
without a functioning electrical fuel quantity system.  
Interestingly, one of the items on the MEL for many 
planes is the toilets.  
A non-functioning toilet can keep a plane from being 
dispatched.  Also, if it is raining within five miles of 
the departure airport, the windshield wipers must 
be able to function.  If it isn't raining within five 
miles of the departure airport, the plane can be 
dispatched with non-functioning wipers.

The fuel tank
dipsticks are absolutely fool-proof.
The error on the Air Canada plane occurred as a 
result of a human miscalculation between the way 
fuel was measured at the pump and the way the 
dipsticks are calibrated.  I don't remember the 
exact details anymore, but the error occurred 
in the conversion between pounds, gallons, 
liters, or kilograms.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 14
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:07:22 -0700
Subject: [lro] Chicago Land Rover Club Article
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The February 2002 issue of 4WD and Sport Utility has an
article about a Chicago Land Rover Club off-roading event
at a ranch.  The article is a bit dated as the event took
place last February - but if there are any Chicago guys
out there the story is on page 36.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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