Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #194 - 58 msgs

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:41:05 -0500 (EST)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Spraying frame/etc. as anti rust (Andy Woodward)
   2. Re: Clutch MC overhaul (Alan J. Richer)
   3. Re: Clutch MC overhaul (Bill Adams)
   4. Re: Clutch MC overhaul (Alan J. Richer)
   5. Alternative brake stuff... (Bill Adams)
   6. Re: Alternative brake stuff... (Alan J. Richer)
   7. Jeffrey Dahmer bucket... (Bill Adams)
   8. Re: Alternative brake stuff... (Rob MacCormick)
   9. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket... (Alan J. Richer)
  10. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket... (Alan J. Richer)
  11. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket... (Bill Adams)
  12. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND! (Bill Adams)
  13. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND! (Alan J. Richer)
  14. Steering Arm Removal (John Trotter)
  15. RE: Steering Arm Removal (harald74)
  16. Re: Steering Arm Removal (Alan J. Richer)
  17. RE: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket... (harald74)
  18. Re: Steering Arm Removal (Edit 2)
  19. Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #193 - 35 msgs (David G. Russell)
  20. Re: Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #193 - 35 msgs (Alan J. Richer)
  21. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND! ([email-masked])
  22. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket... (Hope Peter)
  23. In a clutch (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  24. More clutches (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  25. Re: Steering Arm Removal (Ian Stuart)
  26. Charity Auction for John Cranfield (Dave Risk)
  27. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND! (Richard Joltes)
  28. Re: Charity Auction for John Cranfield (Jeff Berg)
  29. Jeffrey Dahmer bucket (marko.cosic)
  30. Re: Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND! ([email-masked])
  31. Pilots and Land Rovers (Mark Pilkington)
  32. Land Rover Stories (Mark Pilkington)
  33. Re: Land Rover Stories (Rich Williams)
  34. Re: Land Rover Stories (Lonn & Rhonda)
  35. Re: Land Rover Stories (Rob MacCormick)
  36. Re: Land Rover Stories (Mark Pilkington)
  37. rover axle question (Hope Peter)
  38. Main Bearing Spanner question? (RedRover)
  39. Re: SV: [lro] Re: Brake upgrades (Mark Pilkington)
  40. Strange Land Rover (Mark Pilkington)
  41. Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air. (Faure, Marin)
  42. Re: Strange Land Rover (Keith Tanner)
  43. Re: rover axle question (Bill Adams)
  44. Re: Strange Land Rover ([email-masked])
  45. Re: Strange Land Rover ([email-masked])
  46. Re: Strange Land Rover ([email-masked])
  47. Re: Strange Land Rover (Hope Peter)
  48. Re: Steering Arm Removal (Jim Hall)
  49. Re: Strange Land Rover (Alan J. Richer)
  50. Re: Strange Land Rover (Peter Ogilvie)
  51. Re: Main Bearing Spanner question? (Alan J. Richer)
  52. Re: Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air. (Peter Ogilvie)
  53. Re: Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air. (Mark Pilkington)
  54. Spark plug leak on NADA 1969 and oil pressure gauge (Doug Sinclair)
  55. Re: Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air. (Gerald)
  56. Re: Steering Arm Removal ([email-masked])
  57. Re: Pilots and Land Rovers ([email-masked])
  58. Re: Strange Land Rover (Edit 2)

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Message: 1
From: "Andy Woodward" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:39:32 -0000
Subject: Re: [lro] Spraying frame/etc. as anti rust
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> motor oil all over the undercarriage. Some prefer Waxol or a home made
> derivative.

WD40 is hopeless.

Waxoyl (the black stuff with bitumen) cut 50/50 with deisel..

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:00:33 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Clutch MC overhaul
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Is grease acceptable, or must you sue oil?

Actually, a thin grease might stay in place better - I
don't remember the bushings being sintered bronze or
Oilite.

Mr. C's pedal boxes need to get disassembled and
repainted, so I'll have a look then.

             ajr

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:06:16 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Clutch MC overhaul
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Having JUST last week redone both brake and clutch pedal assemblies,
along with their respective master cylinders...
The pedal towers were in good nick after having been soaked in my
Jeffrey Dahmer bucket overnight, save for small bits of surface rust. I
POR-15'd the hell out of them, and inspected the pedal shafts for wear.
There wasn't much after thirty-five years.They wiggled only slightly.
The wear was in the holes for the push rod cross shaft. These had
elongated slightly, giving a bit more front to rear play. I did the
filling with 140wt thing and I think they should be good for another
thirty.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:16:20 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Clutch MC overhaul
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Bill Adams <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The pedal towers were in good nick after having been
> soaked in my
> Jeffrey Dahmer bucket overnight

Bill, what hellbrew did you soak 'em in? I have two I
need to de-paint and recondition...

           ajr

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:31:06 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Alternative brake stuff...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

While we're on the subject of brakes, I recall a discussion about using
other-than-Rover bits. Did someone say they'd used a booster and mc from
a cadillac or something? I guess one would have to change pedal towers
to do this given that one had the CV brake MC as OE. Seeing that the
Girling(?) booster is such a rare bird and expensive to R&R....
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:37:35 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Alternative brake stuff...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Bill Adams <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> While we're on the subject of brakes, I recall a
> discussion about using
> other-than-Rover bits. Did someone say they'd used a
> booster and mc from
> a cadillac or something? 

Remember someone mentioning an older Volvo booster
that bolted on - don't have it on file, though.

The dual master from a Crown Vic has been fitted in
place of Girling bits on boosted dual-master systems -
requires an adapter plug to deal with rod length
issues to the brake pushrod, though.

           ajr

I guess one would have to
> change pedal towers
> to do this given that one had the CV brake MC as OE.
> Seeing that the
> Girling(?) booster is such a rare bird and expensive
> to R&R....
> -- 
> Bill Adams
> 3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
> International Broadcasting Bureau
> Washington, D.C.
> 202-205-9638
> [email-masked]
> 
> 
> '66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
> '81 GoldWing
> '69 Le Sabre Convertible
> '63 Pearson Vanguard
> "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:51:48 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a five gallon drywall bucket:
3 cans Red Devil Lye, 3 cups of Simple Green or the Castrol purple
stuff, or All. There is nothing that will not soak off using this
mixture; paint, sealers, grud, dum dum, undercoating. Usually everything
soaks off overnight. Some light grease will come off in a matter of an
hour. I must occaisionally top up the water level and eventually it gets
so bad I have to chuck it for a new batch, but it really lasts a long
time and can be used over and over. Obviously, larger parts have to soak
on one end and get flipped over to do the other. Rinse parts under hot
water.

DO NOT PUT ALUMINUM OR MAGNESIUM PARTS IN THIS BATH. You'll find it eats
them up quite rapidly with lots of gassing and bubbling. I'm sure that
the gasses aren't healthy. Use it for steel and cast iron bits to be
safe. Rubber bits will be destroyed, as will gaskets and anything else
not steel. If you're not sure about it, remove it before dunking. Many
plastics hold up, but I don't like to soak plastics as I'm never sure if
they undergo any chemical attack.

Keep a lid on it to reduce evaporation and keep out the critters. It
will burn unprotected skin, so use big rubber gloves.

I haven't tried adding Phosphoric acid for rust removal. Perhaps some of
our chemically minded friends can lend an opinion as to whether this
would blow up or gas you to death. If it's benign, then I'll try that
next batch.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:53:14 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Alternative brake stuff...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Our rig is infused with alternativeness. I have hand written notes from a PO
that suggest that the v-assist on our dormobile is bendix related and
commonly available in US....I'll see if I can find any other info.

Rob M
Concord MA

Bill Adams wrote:

> While we're on the subject of brakes, I recall a discussion about using
> other-than-Rover bits. Did someone say they'd used a booster and mc from
> a cadillac or something? I guess one would have to change pedal towers
> to do this given that one had the CV brake MC as OE. Seeing that the
> Girling(?) booster is such a rare bird and expensive to R&R....
> --
> Bill Adams
> 3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
> International Broadcasting Bureau
> Washington, D.C.
> 202-205-9638
> [email-masked]
>
> '66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
> '81 GoldWing
> '69 Le Sabre Convertible
> '63 Pearson Vanguard
> "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:57:07 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks, Bill! Great idea, and likely a Helluva lot
more  environmentally benign than methylene chloride
or any of the nastier goops.

All - you mean the  detergent?

                Alan

--- Bill Adams <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> In a five gallon drywall bucket:
> 3 cans Red Devil Lye, 3 cups of Simple Green or the
> Castrol purple
> stuff, or All.

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:05:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Phosphoric acid in that might not be a good idea -
considering this is a hellish-strong alkalai solution
it might get ugly.

I am thinking, though, that a dip in vinegar or very
dilute acid of some sort before the hot water rinse
might be a good idea just to bring it to a neutral Ph
- ever tried it?

             Alan

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:13:42 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes, All the detergent. Any brand will do.
This mess can go down the drain. I've checked it out with the WSSC. It's
just drain cleaner, and after the greases have been broken down, they're
OK too.

I think I failed to mention that I try to scrape off as much as possible
before dunking, saves time in the soak.

One more note: a layer of sludge builds up in the bottom, so tossing in
small bits like nuts and bolts can lead to a nasty game of go fish. I
have a coffee can with drain holes in the bottom for the small stuff
which hangs on the side with a wire.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:17:18 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Fill the bucket FIRST and add the chemicals TO the water, NOT the other
way. 
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:22:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND!
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Bill Adams <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Fill the bucket FIRST and add the chemicals TO the
> water, NOT the other
> way. 

Errrr....definitely. Can you say serious exothermic
reaction?

Yeehaaaa...melted bucket and boiling water all over
the floor.....

Good caveat, Bill! Thanks again - ajr

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Message: 14
From: "John Trotter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:49:30 -0500
Subject: [lro] Steering Arm Removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm taking the steering box apart, and removed it from the truck (a IIa),
but I cannot seem to budge the arm from the box.  It ends up twisting the
sprocket pullers I have (they are not great quality I have to admit).  I've
also tried a sledge to support the arm, then some hits on the end of the
shaft to try and dislodge it.

Any suggestions on other ways to remove this thing?  (hit harder?) If
heating is a good idea, how hot should I let it get (I always worry about
damaging other bits from excess heat).

Thanks,
John

63 IIa

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:01:57 +0100
From: harald74 <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Steering Arm Removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>===== Original Message From "John Trotter" <[email-masked]> 
=====
>I'm taking the steering box apart, and removed it from the truck (a IIa),
>but I cannot seem to budge the arm from the box.  It ends up twisting the
>sprocket pullers I have (they are not great quality I have to admit).  I've
>also tried a sledge to support the arm, then some hits on the end of the
>shaft to try and dislodge it.
>
>Any suggestions on other ways to remove this thing?  (hit harder?) If
>heating is a good idea, how hot should I let it get (I always worry about
>damaging other bits from excess heat).

While pulling, hit on it sideways. Always a god idea, IMHO.  That's the way 
I finally got my steering relay out of the frame.

Harald

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:02:04 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Steering Arm Removal
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

This is called a pitman arm - get a pitman arm puller
for it. This is a nasty little beast of a tool
specifically designed to budge these almost-impossible
parts.

Heat applied to the pitman arm with respect for the
seals in the area might not hurt either.

             ajr

--- John Trotter <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I'm taking the steering box apart, and removed it
> from the truck (a IIa),
> but I cannot seem to budge the arm from the box.  It
> ends up twisting the
> sprocket pullers I have (they are not great quality
> I have to admit).  I've
> also tried a sledge to support the arm, then some
> hits on the end of the
> shaft to try and dislodge it.
> 
> Any suggestions on other ways to remove this thing? 
> (hit harder?) If
> heating is a good idea, how hot should I let it get
> (I always worry about
> damaging other bits from excess heat).
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
> 63 IIa
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:03:18 +0100
From: harald74 <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

===== Original Message From Bill Adams <[email-masked]> =====
>In a five gallon drywall bucket:
>3 cans Red Devil Lye, 3 cups of Simple Green or the Castrol purple
>stuff, or All.

My parents once used the same general mixture to clean out the engine
block of a '26 Chevy something-or-other.  And boy, did it _ever_ boil and
make fumes...

Does it eat zink, BTW?

Regards,
Harald

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:11:53 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Steering Arm Removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There is a LR tool for this - though I haven't got one. After 20 years
rovering I still forget, and when the time comes for removing this
beast, I suddenly remember what i should have acquired by now!

Like so many hard to budge LR components, fitting the arm with plenty of
copper grease does help removal 2 years later. But it's still a hard nut
to crack.

I have a handly cold chisel, the taper of which is about right to jam
between the end of the steering box axle collar and the arm - it loosens
it nicely. though it's hard to get to both sides of the arm as the metal
bracket which stiffens the whole assembly to the firewall gets in the
way. A long crowbar is also a great help.

I did this job two weeks ago so the method is still fresh in my mind, as
the sores are still on my knuckles.

One day I'm going to buy that LR tool - its smaller than a usual floppy
sprocket puller - just a U shaped block with flanges which grab behind
the arm, and a pointed bolt which locates in the centre punched hole in
the steering box axle, And its small enough to fit and work with between
the axle end and the engine. I bet its one of the cheaper tools as well.

Good luck

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:11:47 -0500
From: "David G. Russell" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #193 - 35 msgs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 12/18/01 at 3:04 AM, [email-masked] wrote:

> From: [email-masked]
> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:09:02 EST
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] HEATERS
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
> 
> Here's a link to the heater I put in my 109. 
> Cheap and easy compared to what's out there and it's seasonal.
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/glrainfo/heater1.html
> 
> Scott

Thanks for posting the link. Looks great for my work truck.

Has anyone ever tried an electric heater?

-David Russell

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:33:11 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #193 - 35 msgs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Has anyone ever tried an electric heater?
> 
> -David Russell

Not unless you have a VERY big alternator.....8*)

Seriously, there's not enough amps in a stock Series
truck to get away with one for more than spot-clearing
windshields and the like.

This is why coolant-transfer and gasoline heaters were
always popular - electric just takes too big
equipment.

                 ajr

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Message: 21
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:36:51 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND!
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/18/01 9:18:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] 
writes:

> Fill the bucket FIRST and add the chemicals TO the water, NOT the other
> way. 
> 

I believe the pneumonic goes, "Acid into water, that's the way you ought'er"

Same goes for alkali.

Nate

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Message: 22
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:42:25 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> In a five gallon drywall bucket:
> 3 cans Red Devil Lye, 3 cups of Simple Green or the Castrol purple
> stuff, or All. 
> I must occaisionally top up the water level and eventually it gets
> so bad I have to chuck it for a new batch, but it really lasts a long
> time and can be used over and over. 

So how do you dispose of it when it's worn out?
Pete

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:00:17 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] In a clutch
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Paul Quin <[email-masked]> wrote:

>I did manage to overhaul the clutch pedal tower.  Interesting that there is
>actually a little oil reservoir built into the pivot trunion (right word?)
>with its own little filler plug bold.

Really?  I was just in the clutch tower last Sunday (had to re-remove the
wing and adjust the nuts on the clutch master after a hydraulic rebuild the
previous weekend) and didn't see any such accoutrement on the Series III.
Wonder when it was discontinued?   I remember thinking how nice it would
have been to have a Zerk fitting there for greasing....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	*------ 1972 Series III 88"------ 1996 Discovery-------*

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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:00:18 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] More clutches
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>

>The continuing rehabilitation of the Series, well continues.  I am almost
>ready to drive the frame around the neighborhood.    The clutch is stuck
>though.  The thing has not been driven for over a year.  I've tried to
>unstick it by spinning the wheels in 4WD while on jack stands and stabing
>the brakes real fast.  Any other ideas?

Same thing happened to me...the clutch has become rust-bonded to the
flywheel, especially if you had the flywheel machined to get to good new
metal.

Aim the vehicle in a safe direction.  Engage four wheel drive (to spread
the load out amongst the axles).  Put the vehicle in gear (second high) and
start 'er up with the clutch depressed.  It'll buck and lurch forward.
Work the clutch pedal if it didn't break free the first time.  Use third if
second didn't work and be ready to kill the engine.  The clutch will snap
free with the same chilling sound as made by a fracturing layshaft. :-0

Cheers

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Message: 25
Subject: Re: [lro] Steering Arm Removal
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 18 Dec 2001 16:09:20 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 14:49, John Trotter wrote:
> 
> I'm taking the steering box apart, and removed it from the truck (a IIa),
> but I cannot seem to budge the arm from the box.  It ends up twisting the
> sprocket pullers I have (they are not great quality I have to admit).  I've
> also tried a sledge to support the arm, then some hits on the end of the
> shaft to try and dislodge it.
> 
> Any suggestions on other ways to remove this thing?  (hit harder?) If
> heating is a good idea, how hot should I let it get (I always worry about
> damaging other bits from excess heat).
This is the one that hangs down just on front of the footwell, yes?

The best thing to do is to make a puller yourself:

Go to a scrapyard and get some 1/2" thick steel flat bar (about 2 or 3"
across, and in lengths of roughly 6", 4", 4", 2" & 2" [check the lengths
with your own measurements])

Drill a hole in the middle of the longer bar, and tap for a big meaty
bolt (M10 or bigger)

Now weld up the flat bar to make a 'U' shape, with feet to tuck under
the lugs on the arm (You did measure it all before you welded it, didn't
you?)

Now screw in the bolt to pull off the arm...

Next, lend it to all your friends, who will be ever-so-thankful that
*someone* has a doobrie for taking the damn thing off..

-- 
--==++
Ian Stuart: Edinburgh University Data Library.
I build things: computer programs (with code); or cars (with metal)

 Personal web site: http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ 

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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:10:26 -0400
From: Dave Risk <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Charity Auction for John Cranfield
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi

This is a reminder to all those on the list about the charity auction in
support of John Cranfield.  It is currently underway at the Maritime
Organization of Rover Enthusiasts' website.  www.maritimerovers.org  As
many of you know, John was injured in an off-roading accident several
weeks ago, which has left him with significant debts.

There are only 5 BIDDING DAYS LEFT!  Bids on many items are still
hovering far below market value.  An example of some prices (in US$):

29	new marsland galv grille from RM
35	RM spin on oil filter adaptor
1300	series III rover
23	new, small fault zenith carb
10	D110 side steps
17	restored Series trailer hitch
26	7:1 Head
70	4.7 Diff
130	Full ARB Roof Rack for RR Classic
13	John Cranfield S.E. T-shirts
40	Bag from UK collection of LRE magazine
13-55	Super high detail large LR die-casts (some rare!)
50	Nigel Hemming framed Land Rover print.
450	4 Disco Steel Wheels with almost new BFG M/Ts

There are many many more items, most of them going for a song!  Please
have a visit and help out a valued member of the Land Rover community!

Thanks, Dave Risk
------
for the steeing committee of the 
Maritime Organization of Rover Enthusiasts (Canada)

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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:21:21 -0500
From: Richard Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] wrote:
 
> > Fill the bucket FIRST and add the chemicals TO the water, NOT the other
> > way.
> >
> 
> I believe the pneumonic goes, "Acid into water, that's the way you ought'er"

I think you meant 'mnemonic,' Nate.  Or does it have a cold? ;-)

'Always Add Acid To Water' is the one I was taught (emphasis on order
of the alphabet:  A comes before W).

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:29:21 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Charity Auction for John Cranfield
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A reminder that the link for the Cranfield auction is 
<http://www.maritimerovers.org/auction/john.htm>

jeff

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Message: 29
From: "marko.cosic" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:34:18 -0000
Subject: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Another one to try is mixing 50/50 20% HCl and Hammerite Rust Remover Dip (Don't
know if this has a different name in the States?).

Hammerite rust remover dip comes in 1 litre bottles and you dilute to 10 litres.
You get a mild degreasing rust-removing dip with an inhibitor, but its slow and
used up quickly. Adding the HCl gives it some 'bite' (but 20% conc. diluted with
the Hammerite to make 10% is relatively safe) AND makes it last longer, but the
mild degreasers and the inhibitors of the hammerite still work with the HCl.

Marko

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Message: 30
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:28:10 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Jeffrey Dahmer bucket...OH AND!
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/18/01 11:32:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> > I believe the pneumonic goes, "Acid into water, that's the way you 
> ought'er"
> 
> I think you meant 'mnemonic,' Nate.  Or does it have a cold? ;-)
> 

A little too much inhalational anthrax (pneumonic form).  Yeh, I meant 
mnemonic.

Jeez!

Nate

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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:47:32 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Pilots and Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It seems from the last few days posts that there are a lot of pilots on this list.
What is it about Land Rovers that attract pilots?  They are opposites in that a
plane is fast and efficient and a Land Rover is not, but they are both bloody good
fun and cannot be economically justified so what the hell. Own them anyway.
I dropped my Yellow 67 V8 in at Wardens of Placerville yesterday to have a number
of items taken care of, the biggest of which was the installation of Power
Steering.  I'll let you all know how it comes out.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:49:32 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Land Rover Stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I was thinking of recounting a Land Rover related tale for anyone who wants to read
one, but cannot remember which I have told already. Is it a hassle to ask to to
remind me which I have told so that I do not bore you with a repeat??
Thanks.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 33
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Stories
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:53:08 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark,

Your stories are enjoyable enough that I wouldn't care if they were repeats.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: [lro] Land Rover Stories

I was thinking of recounting a Land Rover related tale for anyone who wants
to read
one, but cannot remember which I have told already. Is it a hassle to ask to
to
remind me which I have told so that I do not bore you with a repeat??
Thanks.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington
_______________________________________________
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Message: 34
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Stories
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:04:48 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Pilkington" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: [lro] Land Rover Stories

>
> I was thinking of recounting a Land Rover related tale for anyone who wants to
read
> one, but cannot remember which I have told already. Is it a hassle to ask to
to
> remind me which I have told so that I do not bore you with a repeat??
> Thanks.
> Kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:18:24 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tell the one about providing financial sponsorship for a an East coaster who wants to
catch up with the leaks, the ailing brakes and electricals on his dormobile and to
pursue owning a daily driver 88......

Mark Pilkington wrote:

> I was thinking of recounting a Land Rover related tale for anyone who wants to read
> one, but cannot remember which I have told already. Is it a hassle to ask to to
> remind me which I have told so that I do not bore you with a repeat??
> Thanks.
> Kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 36
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:37:57 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Aaahhhh yes, I remember!  OK, Once upon a time in the land of Land Rover dreamland where
the daily runarounds are Defenders and 130's are free to good boys and girls at
Christmas..................etc etc etc

Rob MacCormick wrote:

> Tell the one about providing financial sponsorship for a an East coaster who wants to
> catch up with the leaks, the ailing brakes and electricals on his dormobile and to
> pursue owning a daily driver 88......
>
> Mark Pilkington wrote:
>
> > I was thinking of recounting a Land Rover related tale for anyone who wants to read
> > one, but cannot remember which I have told already. Is it a hassle to ask to to
> > remind me which I have told so that I do not bore you with a repeat??
> > Thanks.
> > Kind regards,
> > Mark Pilkington
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 37
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: "lr LRO" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:31:08 -0800
Subject: [lro] rover axle question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Aloha,
I am replacing the stock rear axle on my 88 with a salisbury.  I am also
switching over to parabolics at all corners.
I was thinking of taking the old springs and axle and building a small
trailer.
Am I right in thinking that I can remove the axle shafts, all brake
components and the hogs head?  i know with a c-clip type axle if the shaft
breaks the wheel comes off.  Rover is full floating, so I can remove all of
the above components and not need to worry about the wheels coming off?

I was thinking that after removing the hogs head I could just bolt a flat
plate in it's place, I could even go as far as rotating the axle 90 degrees
so this flat spot is at the bottom of the mounted axle, thus increasing the
clearance a bit.

I could drill and tap a drain hole in the plate and drill and tap the
breather larger for a fill hole.  Or should I just grease the wheel bearings
and recheck em yearly/seasonaly?

Thanks
Pete

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Message: 38
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:53:26 -0800 (PST)
From: RedRover <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Main Bearing Spanner question?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have an overdrive on the way and I don't have the
Rover main bearing spanner.  Does anyone know of a
standard part or wrench at say NAPA that would work???

Any suggestions to get around having the proper
wrench?

All advice is appreciated.

Thanks

Todd 
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Message: 39
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:57:53 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: SV: [lro] Re: Brake upgrades
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Fredrick,
    Have you driven one of these Series Land Rovers with this front brake disc
conversion?  How much better are they.  My drums are pretty good now, but discs
are tempting for only $700 and bolt on.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Fredrik Hedstrvm wrote:

> This company in The Netherlands sell disc converison kits if anyone need it.
>
> http://www.ticonsole.nl/
>
> Fredrik Hedstrom
> Stockholm, Sweden
>
> > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> > >Fren: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]Fvr
> > >William J. Rice
> > >Skickat: den 15 december 2001 21:10
> > >Till: [email-masked]
> > >Dmne: Re: [lro] Re: Brake upgrades
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >TAW said.
> > >> I only have two problems with 109 brakes off road.
> > >>
> > >> 1. With 2 leading brakes on the front it is REAL hard to
> > >hold a 109
> > >> stationary nose up on a steep hill (Not an 88 issue)
> > >
> > >A-men, TA.  I've never been able to hold my 109 (even w/ boosted dual
> > >circuit brakes) on super-steep uphills without LOTS of
> > >pedal-pushing AND
> > >assistance from the transmission brake.  And the water
> > >crossing thing is
> > >a liability too.  I'm planning on going to discs in the next
> > >6 mos., as
> > >soon as my mad-scientist friend here finishes his caliper
> > >mount/ rotor
> > >hat designs for the Wilwood components he's putting on his Uber-Wagen
> > >(109SW w/ EFI 302 and all sorts of other mods you don't even
> > >want to know
> > >about).
> > >
> > >But I have no qualms whatsoever about offroading w/ my
> > >truck--I'm just
> > >aware of its limitations and use techniques to compensate in
> > >tough spots.
> > > If the brakes are so bad that you can't imagine people
> > >off-roading w/
> > >them, then your brakes ain't right.
> > >
> > >bill
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >[email-masked]
> > >http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 40
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:03:52 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What the hell is this engine in this Land Rover.  Anyone seen the likes of it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599295519&r=0&t=0

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Message: 41
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:08:00 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:09:48 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Probably the reason that that Canadian flight crew didn't realize they had 
fuel problems till it was nearly too late.

Actually, the Gimli Glider crew didn't realize they were running out of 
fuel because they had been told the airplane's fuel quantity displays 
were not functioning properly, and so not to trust them.  The 
displays HAD been acting up on the previous leg of the flight, 
which was why the ground crew "stuck" the tanks to measure 
in the desired amount of fuel.  Ironically, the mechanical method 
of measuring fuel was messed up in the numeric conversion, while 
the electronic quantity displays elected to begin functioning 
properly again.  So on the next leg of the flight, the fuel quantity 
display on the flight deck was accurately showing the crew 
that the plane was going to run out of fuel, but because the 
crew had been told to ignore the display and trust the mechanical 
computations that had been done back at the airport, they ignored 
the display.  When the display said no more fuel, the 
engines stopped, much to the amazement 
of the flight crew.  So it wasn't crew inattention that caused the 
plane to be flown until it was out of gas, it was ground crew 
error.
_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Message: 42
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:01:29 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

$28,000 invested? In what?

Keith

At 13:03 12/18/01, you wrote:

>What the hell is this engine in this Land Rover.  Anyone seen the likes of it?
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599295519&r=0&t=0
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Message: 43
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:06:21 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] rover axle question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Grease should be just fine. drill a hole in the hub for a zerk.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 44
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:37:28 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

first thing that comes to mind is one of the Rolls Royce powered SIs that Rover built for the military in the 50s.  It says the engine can be replaced by the one of the aircraft that transported it, so that would lead me to beleive that it is a Rolls.  VERY VERY VERY rare indeed, let alone in the USA!

adam

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Message: 45
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:40:53 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

DEFINETLY Rolls powered.  Looking at the pictures closely, in teh shot of the owners manual, there is a small, water damaged, card that clearly says "Rolls Royce Engine".  BID BID BID!!!  i would if i had the space and if i was closer to WA!  One very rare beastie- one of the Mags did an article on them a while back.

adam

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Message: 46
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:43:00 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Some Land Rover gusy are dumb (me included).  See fourth sentence of desciption- 

"Hello, This Is a 1952 Land Rover CKD (complete knock down. All aluminum body. Very rare wood top. Rolls Royce engine wih O miles (Have paperwork. I was told it runs on kerosene, diesel, and gasoline. And that the engine was replaceable with the engine of the aircraft which transported it. "

case closed : )

adam

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Message: 47
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:39:25 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> $28,000 invested? In what?
>
> Keith

Crome plate drive shafts, rear cross member grab handles, tail gate chains,
and a bunch of the galvy pieces.
Powder coating on frame, brake drums and axle housing?
Boy what a piece of work.  Looks like a great deal if the sell it for the
800 it is at now.  Specially if someone just happens to have a 2.25 laying
about :-)
Pete

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Message: 48
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:56:30 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Steering Arm Removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Or go to your local auto parts store and buy a pitman arm puller.

Ian Stuart wrote:

> The best thing to do is to make a puller yourself:
> 

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 49
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:58:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Keith Tanner <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> $28,000 invested? In what?
> 
> Keith

Dunno - but whatever it is it is very unlikely to be
original with that Rolls engine if it is a CKD Rover.
Those engines (per Taylor) were only done as a set of
prototypes when the MOD was trying to rationalise its
engine spares and sizes - they were never done as
production equipment and certainly not as a CKD
shipped Rover.

Don't believe the MOD went in for CKD at all - that
was a foreign-shipment dodge to avoid taxes on
shipping fully built vehicles into spots that weren't
tax-friendly.

There is something very odd going on here - and to me
it sounds like an old one-off drivetrain that was
hacked into another Rover. An examination of the data
plates and the bonnet would reveal much. 

                ajr

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Message: 50
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:59:26 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

According to my Series 1 book, the Rolls Royce engine was used in 
approximately 50 trucks around 1950.  It was an effort to get commonality of 
parts as RR made the engine in 4, 6, and 8 cylinder versions so it could 
power a bunch of different vehicles.  Commonality was near 90% in the 
engines.  During trials, the 1.6 liter Rover engine was found to be a much 
better engine so the RR engine was dropped and the trucks converted back to 
the 1.6.

I would guess that the RR engine picture was not stock to this vehicle but 
something that came out of a warehouse.  The picture of a remaining vehicle 
does not show an Electronically shielded engine as this one is.  Any one out 
there know when the military went to the shielded systems.  Don't think it 
was as early as 1950.

Close ups of the bulkhead are missing but from the pictures, it would seem 
that there is rust in the footwells, at a minimum.  The windshield frame has 
had the flat panels removed and some half assed repair to one side.  Would 
expect a close inspection to provide a few surprizes.

This looks like some bastard truck that has been cannabalized from a bunch 
of different vehicles.  Value is in getting it out of the guys yard.  What's 
he offering to pay to have it removed.

Aloha
Peter O.

>From: [email-masked]
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
>Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:40:53 EST
>
>
>DEFINETLY Rolls powered.  Looking at the pictures closely, in teh shot of 
>the owners manual, there is a small, water damaged, card that clearly says 
>"Rolls Royce Engine".  BID BID BID!!!  i would if i had the space and if i 
>was closer to WA!  One very rare beastie- one of the Mags did an article on 
>them a while back.
>
>adam
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Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Message: 51
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:01:20 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Main Bearing Spanner question?
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- RedRover <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I have an overdrive on the way and I don't have the
> Rover main bearing spanner.  Does anyone know of a
> standard part or wrench at say NAPA that would
> work???

A socket with the requisite notches ground in the edge
has been known to work...I'm a proponent of the pin
punch and mallet, myself....<grin>.

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Message: 52
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:24:20 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The decision to fly a commercial airliner without properly functioning fuel 
guages or supposedly malfunctioning fuel gauges was an unsat. decision.  The 
airline, the executive, the crew and/or whoever made the decision to use 
that plane should never be allowed near an airport again if they aren't all 
expense paid guests of the government.  Could see taking off in a simple 
private aviation plane without passengers or in an emergency but never in a 
commercial airliner.

We occasionally Navy flew planes weren't completely functioning, but never 
would have gone on a long overwater flight, or any flight, for that matter 
without a functioning fuel gauge.

Aloha
Peter O.

When the display said no more fuel, the
>engines stopped, much to the amazement
>of the flight crew.  So it wasn't crew inattention that caused the
>plane to be flown until it was out of gas, it was ground crew
>error.
>C. Marin Faure

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Message: 53
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:03:52 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think that the engine failure per pilot in the USA today is about one per
thousand hours. I was unlucky enough to have had 5 in my first 400 hours. All
were in flight to a full forced landing. I had a turbo explode and dump all the
engine oil at 10,000 feet in a 206, Water in the gas in a turbo 210, Fuel flow
diaphragm ruptured in a Mooney 201, Engine fire right after take-off in a Mooney
231 and ....ahem..... ran out of gas in a 150.  All ended with a reusable plane
I am glad to say, but not many were by the book emergencies, I did what I felt I
had to do rather than follow a book.  Some things were unconventional, but
worked for the situation at hand. There is a sudden clarity of mission right
after a major failure rather than the creeping insideous problems that you have
time to think and worry about, like racing the dark or weather to an airport
that you know is clear. I know we shouldn't do this stuff, but all of us have.
I am sure that a few of you guys out there that fly the bigger faster stuff have
a few tales to tell. After the bang and oil splats on the windshield you go into
a self preservation based autopilot and afterwards when you are asked why you
did something, you do not even know why.
    The reason I had a lot of failures is that I flew 45 different types of
plane in those first 400 hours and so there was a higher likelyhood for a
problem.  The company I work for now has much nicer inventory and so as a
result, in the last 1000 hours I have not had any more failures,  touch wood.
My own plane, I trust so much, I could nod off in it on a long trip.

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> The decision to fly a commercial airliner without properly functioning fuel
> guages or supposedly malfunctioning fuel gauges was an unsat. decision.  The
> airline, the executive, the crew and/or whoever made the decision to use
> that plane should never be allowed near an airport again if they aren't all
> expense paid guests of the government.  Could see taking off in a simple
> private aviation plane without passengers or in an emergency but never in a
> commercial airliner.
>
> We occasionally Navy flew planes weren't completely functioning, but never
> would have gone on a long overwater flight, or any flight, for that matter
> without a functioning fuel gauge.
>
> Aloha
> Peter O.
>
> When the display said no more fuel, the
> >engines stopped, much to the amazement
> >of the flight crew.  So it wasn't crew inattention that caused the
> >plane to be flown until it was out of gas, it was ground crew
> >error.
> >C. Marin Faure
>
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Message: 54
From: "Doug Sinclair" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:50:15 -0500
Subject: [lro] Spark plug leak on NADA 1969 and oil pressure gauge
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I could use some advice on how to fix exhaust gas leaks around the spark
plugs on my 1969 NADA 109 (6 cyl, with Westlake head).  I have put in a new
set of Champion N4C plugs, installed as-is with the little metal sealing
washer present.  When I fill the depressions around the spark plugs with
water, I see bubbles from cylinders 1, 4, 5 and 6.  Tightening the plugs as
far as I dare does not seem to help.

Is this typical behaviour?
Should I remove the sealing washer?
Should I add some gasketing compound?
Is the Champion N4C the right plug?  The tappet cover calls for Champion N4.

Also

My oil pressure light is on most of the time.  Just after starting, during
idle, it tends to be off.  Revving in neutral will turn it off.  During
highway driving it is almost always on.  I'm using recently changed 20W50.
My truck has the sender for an analog oil pressure gauge, but the dashboard
dial itself has been removed at some point in the past.  I was thinking that
it would be a good idea to hook up an ohmeter to this sender so that I can
see if it is the gauge that is at fault, or the oil pressure itself.  Can
anybody give me a resistance against pressure calibration for this sender?

Thanks

Doug

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Message: 55
From: Gerald <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Ho Hum, just another lousy day in the air.
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:06:08 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In the early years of flying an engine failure was much more common. That
was why Lindbergh chose a single engine plane for his 1927 flight to Paris.
A twin increased the odds of an engine failure and it would not have been
able to fly long enough on a single engine.

When did an emergency landing to a full stop get removed from the flight
test for a private pilot?

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:03:52 -0800, you wrote:

>
>I think that the engine failure per pilot in the USA today is about one per
>thousand hours. I was unlucky enough to have had 5 in my first 400 hours. All
>were in flight to a full forced landing. I had a turbo explode and dump all the
>engine oil at 10,000 feet in a 206, Water in the gas in a turbo 210, Fuel flow
>diaphragm ruptured in a Mooney 201, Engine fire right after take-off in a Mooney
>231 and ....ahem..... ran out of gas in a 150.  All ended with a reusable plane
>I am glad to say, but not many were by the book emergencies, I did what I felt I
>had to do rather than follow a book.  Some things were unconventional, but
>worked for the situation at hand. There is a sudden clarity of mission right
>after a major failure rather than the creeping insideous problems that you have
>time to think and worry about, like racing the dark or weather to an airport
>that you know is clear. I know we shouldn't do this stuff, but all of us have.
>I am sure that a few of you guys out there that fly the bigger faster stuff have
>a few tales to tell. After the bang and oil splats on the windshield you go into
>a self preservation based autopilot and afterwards when you are asked why you
>did something, you do not even know why.
>    The reason I had a lot of failures is that I flew 45 different types of
>plane in those first 400 hours and so there was a higher likelyhood for a
>problem.  The company I work for now has much nicer inventory and so as a
>result, in the last 1000 hours I have not had any more failures,  touch wood.
>My own plane, I trust so much, I could nod off in it on a long trip.
>
>
. . . .

--
Gerald
[email-masked]

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Message: 56
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:42:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [lro] Steering Arm Removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 18 Dec 2001, at 9:49, John Trotter wrote:

> 
> I'm taking the steering box apart, and removed it from the truck (a IIa),
> but I cannot seem to budge the arm from the box.  It ends up twisting the
> sprocket pullers I have (they are not great quality I have to admit).  I've
> also tried a sledge to support the arm, then some hits on the end of the
> shaft to try and dislodge it.

Go to NAPA and get a pitman arm puller.

Steve

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Message: 57
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:44:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [lro] Pilots and Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 18 Dec 2001, at 9:47, Mark Pilkington wrote:

> 
> It seems from the last few days posts that there are a lot of pilots on this list.
> What is it about Land Rovers that attract pilots?  They are opposites in that a
> plane is fast and efficient and a Land Rover is not, but they are both bloody good
> fun and cannot be economically justified so what the hell. Own them anyway.

Another oddity is that pilots tend to be sailors. 

Steve

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Message: 58
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:34:53 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Strange Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I liked the bit about the "Rare wooden cab top" - My guess is that this
vehicle - however much good effort may have been put into starting to
restore it, has spent many a year behind a chicken-shed (or maybe as a
chicken shed) prior to which it was a teenage hillbilly project vehicle
- the original roof/tilt/pickup cab being removed (or wrecked) and
someone deciding to split a few old wardrobes and fashion a wooden cab.

OK LR might have sold these with "Rare wooden cabs", and I'll stand
correct if flamed for my ignorance, but until then, this is a partly
restored wreck with an unoriginal engine and a homemade wooden cab. Some
nice looking bits though - someone obviosuly was trying to do a nice job
once.

Speaking as a strictly diesel LRO, (and I know this might raise a few
eyebrows out there) I can't think of why anyone would want to put
another engine in an old Land Rover. The stock engines may be oily,
smokey, noisy, and rattling, but they work and stand so much abuse, and
seem to last forever - and even when forever comes, they can stand a
rebore and refit and be as good as new (OK as good as new in 1968 or 83
or something like that).

My point is, that unless you are wanting to turn a petrol land rover
into a city vehicle or high performance off-roader, the stock engine
which came with the vehicle was not such a bad deal. Over the years I
have toyed with the idea, but every time have concluded that better the
devil you know than the devil you don't.

Not unlike Land Rover, Rolls Royce is a brand which lives as much on its
name and image as its products. I used to work in Crewe, where Rolls
factory is (was?) - and knew many RR staff. I was surprised to discover,
that many Rolls parts are made by the same suppliers that made parts for
Morris, Austin, BLC, etc. What's in a name one may ask? Just think - the
LR engine block was cast by the same company which made lawn mowers
(Qualcast). Makes you think...

My ten xre's worth anyway. (Denmark not gone for the Euro either yet!)

:-)
 
Adrian Redmond

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