Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #184 - 52 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Goner twerps, US rovers, etc. (Peter Ogilvie)
   2. Re: anti theft device (S. Vels Chr.)
   3. Re: It's a gas...or too much? (Alan J. Richer)
   4. Re: are heater ducts made of PVC pipe safe? (Alan J. Richer)
   5. Re: Re: Goner twerps, US rovers, etc. (Jim Hall)
   6. Re: Batteries (Rob MacCormick)
   7. RE: What you all don't know about batteries... (Easton Trevor A)
   8. RE: anti theft device (Easton Trevor A)
   9. RE: Recreational GPS (Andy Woodward)
  10. SE7 (Garrick Olsen)
  11. RE: What you all don't know about batteries... (Alan J. Richer)
  12. The Freebie has landed. (Easton Trevor A)
  13. RE: What you all don't know about batteries... (Easton Trevor A)
  14. RE: What you all don't know about batteries... (Alan J. Richer)
  15. RE: What you all don't know about batteries... (Jeff Berg)
  16. RE: are heater ducts made of PVC pipe safe? (Sergi, Michael)
  17. Re: The Freebie has landed. (Lori Sickley)
  18. Re: It's a gas...or too much? (marko.cosic)
  19. Re: What you all don't know about batteries... (Dick Joltes)
  20. Battery redux (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  21. Re: What you all don't know about batteries... (RON WARD)
  22. Re: The Freebie has landed. (Brian Horner)
  23. Another Power steering question (Mark Pilkington)
  24. Re: 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures (Mark Pilkington)
  25. Re: Another Power steering question (Tim Czajka)
  26. RE: Another Power steering question (Easton Trevor A)
  27. Re: Hi-Tach (Brian Horner)
  28. Coming Home (Mark Pilkington)
  29. Re: 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures (Rich Williams)
  30. Re: Another Power steering question (Mark Pilkington)
  31. Re: Another Power steering question (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  32. Four WD/Two WD Knob problems (Mark Pilkington)
  33. Re: Importing to US (Faure, Marin)
  34. Re: US promised as number one priority market (Faure, Marin)
  35. Re: Overdrive (Faure, Marin)
  36. Re: Overdrive (Faure, Marin)
  37. Re: what battery to buy... (Faure, Marin)
  38. Re: Re: Overdrive (marko.cosic)
  39. Re: Re: Overdrive ([email-masked])
  40. Re: Four WD/Two WD Knob problems (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  41. Re: What you all don't know about batteries... (Faure, Marin)
  42. Re: What you all don't know about batteries... (Faure, Marin)
  43. Re: Four WD/Two WD Knob problems (John Cranfield)
  44. Re: Four WD/Two WD Knob problems (Edit 2)
  45. Re: Re: What you all don't know about batteries... (Edit 2)
  46. Tempertaures (William L Leacock)
  47. New RR (William L Leacock)
  48. Re: Four WD/Two WD Knob problems (Mark Pilkington)
  49. Rover Pictures (Brian Horner)
  50. Hand Cranking. (Mark Pilkington)
  51. Re: Four WD/Two WD Knob problems (Mark Pilkington)
  52. Re: Rover Pictures (Mark Pilkington)

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Message: 1
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:16:03 -1000
Subject: [lro] Re: Goner twerps, US rovers, etc.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sandy Grice wrote:
Now that we have a whole federal department for "homeland security", I say 
we create an entire division to track down miscreants creating these
viruses (virii??).  This would provide gainful employment for batallions of 
computer geeks as well as keeping the hangman busy....

Heard on the news that the 'goner' perps were teenage twerps in Israel.  
Apparently the Mossad identified them and turned the names over to the 
civilian authorities.  Supposedly they will be eligible for extended, all 
expense paid, government housing.  Would be too bad if they lost the key!!!

The Defender has been long overdue for an update on the body.  The things 
that endear the truck to us, a big tinker toy, are also the things that make 
the truck expensive to manufacture.  With the advent of quality plastic body 
materials, a vinyl Series V would make sense.  Virtually indestructable, 
rust proof, and cheap to manufacture. Still could keep the modular idea of 
the series truck, just do it out of plastic and mold in a lot of the things 
that have to be bolted on to the aluminum.  Since fit and finish have never 
been a big deal for the Series, the somewhat imprecise quality of plastics 
would fit right in.  Imbed the color in the plastic, galvanize all the steel 
and they wouldn't have to paint anything.  Something else they might be able 
to do with plastic is throw a little carbon fiber in strategic areas as anti 
mine and small arms protection.  Cheap and dirty armored trucks.

They would have a hard time outdoing the suspension, though.  Replace the 
problematical Rover diffs, transmissions, and engines, however, and it'd be 
a real winner.  Unfortunately, electrickery is here to stay as its the only 
way to get the economy and clean running that is demanded.  What they could 
do is make the cost of the diagnostics reasonable.  If they can make 1ghz 
computers for $500, they should be able to make a multimeter sized device, 
that would sell for under a $100, to figure out what's up when the 
electronics get weird.

The RR can continue on its mainly road oriented bent.  Since the RR was 
introduced to America, its been geared for the 'luxo' mall cruiser set.  The 
badge of honor for this crowd has always been 'Never been off road'.  If you 
think I'm nutty, find me an ad for a used one that doesn't have this proud 
pronouncement.  Besides anyone that can afford $60,000+++ for a truck 
wouldn't be dumb enough to actually do something that would stress their 
toy.  These people want a plush ride for comfort, weight for safety, and 
high seating position for that feeling of power and control.  One thing that 
I found interesting about the Diesel variety of the new RR is that they 
finally put in a 3 liter, six.  No more of the puny 2.5, four cylinder 
offerings that the truck has been saddled with in the past.

I've always understood that the law was 10 years on manufacturers providing 
parts for their vehicles.  Its only been the German Companies who have been 
great about providing parts, forever.  Mercedes and BMW carry parts for 
vehicles all the way back to the '50s and maybe even earlier.  American mfg. 
rely on the aftermarket for parts for the older models.  Demand will control 
how long and what parts are available.  The problem we have in the short 
term is the plastic bits and body work.  Early 2a front fenders, breakfasts, 
and bulkheads are already getting hard to find or NLA.  (Anyone who knows 
who is selling left front fenders, let me know.  I need one.)  Until the 
hulks get thoroughly picked over, no one is going to get into making 
replacement parts once the current NOS stock is gone.  There will probably 
be parts going NLA and then becoming available gain as demand builds.   The  
mechanicals of the Series trucks will be available for a very long time, 
unless the internal combustion engine goes entirely out of style.

I'm a little late chiming in on these threads.  Been down and out for a 
couple of days so haven't been up to keeping up with the recent topics on 
the list.  I'm now watching my platelets multiply and getting back into the 
list.

Frank, chuckled at your blast at the anti Roo Bar posters.  Think its really 
stupid that we may be forced into designing cars that are pedestrian 
friendly above anything else.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:06:10 +0100
From: "S. Vels Chr." <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] anti theft device
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Edit 2 wrote:

>The recent threads about anti-theft devices got me thinking.
>
>It would be simple to drill a clean hole through the steering column -
>inside the motor compartment which would allow for a split pin to be
>inserted through the housing tube and inner column- that way the
>steering would LOCK, and nobody but a subscriber to this list would even
>think of looking for the pin...
>
>Just a thought...
>:-)
>
>Adrian Redmond
>
The whole must be big enough so you can insert the pin without adjusting 
the stering over several attempts.
Besides, the column will be weaker and might snap and kill the thief in 
the attempt.
Get even with the bastard. :-)

rgds
sv/aurens

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:40:38 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] It's a gas...or too much?
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- brian girasoli <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Evening,
> 
> Over the past few days, I've noticed that after I
> warm
> up my '67 IIa, around 3-4 minutes into it it'll
> sputter and I'll have to either keep my foot on the
> gas or open up the throttle to keep it going.

First off, where in the US or elsewhere are you?

Secodly, the diodes are no guarantee you're gettig
enough spark to do the necessary. If the plugs are wet
(and you have looked at them, right?) and there's a
smell of gas that sounds to me like the poor thing has
an electrical issue.

The sputtering could be the same issue, but there's no
way to tell.

Clean the plugs, then give it a good shot of starting
fluid into the carburettor throat to see if it tries
to fire. If it does, then fuel is the issue and I'd
have a look at the pump/jets in the carby.

                ajr

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:23:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] are heater ducts made of PVC pipe safe?
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Paul Quin <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> If your duct work is the same size as in my SII I
> found some sump pump pipe
> at Home Hardware that works great.  Black, flexible
> and $10.00 for 20 feet.

Ductwork is whatever I want it to be - I built the
doggone heater! 8*)

Need to cut a duct opening and do some
pipework...thanks for the tip.

           Alan

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:39:23 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Goner twerps, US rovers, etc.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There is a guy around here who takes his 4.6 HSE on some very rough 
trails. Although I think someone said he was looking at getting a 
Defender to take over the task.

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> The RR can continue on its mainly road oriented bent.  Since the RR was
> introduced to America, its been geared for the 'luxo' mall cruiser set.  The
> badge of honor for this crowd has always been 'Never been off road'.  If you
> think I'm nutty, find me an ad for a used one that doesn't have this proud
> pronouncement. 
-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:02:43 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Batteries
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sears (Burlington, MA) took a couple of mine last year without a fee. I
didn't even buy anything.....They had a cart in front of the store with
about ten batts. on it and I casually asked in passing if I could add to
their collection. I believe that car batteries are the single most
recycled consumer good in existance. The cost that intermediaries and
recyclers see (and pass on)  may be associated with management of the
corrosives as opposed to the reclaim of the lead.....Perhaps some thanks
to "Our Savior Has Arrived" (OSHA) are in order as well.

for the acronym frustrated:
OSHA = Occupational Health and Safety Administration
EPA = Environmental Protection Agency

OSHA/EPA = US federal governmental agencies

Rob M Concord MA USA

"Alan J. Richer" wrote:

> --- Jean-Leon Morin <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > Errh?
> >
> > Used batteries are worth money! The zinc is worth a
> > mint, so most places
> > will take them for recycling.
>
> Not in the good old You Ess anymore. At least here in
> the People's Republic of Massachusetts they charge you
> to dispose of them....
>
>                aj"Thank you EPA....."r
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Message: 7
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:14:03 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Take a look at http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq.htm#3 for some
good unbiased information

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Message: 8
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] anti theft device
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:26:12 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

But imagine the problems when you jump in, rushing, one day and drive off
without removing the pin.

It would be simple to drill a clean hole through the steering column -
inside the motor compartment which would allow for a split pin to be
inserted through the housing tube and inner column- that way the
steering would LOCK, and nobody but a subscriber to this list would even
think of looking for the pin...

Just a thought...
:-)

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Message: 9
From: "Andy Woodward" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:37:39 -0000
Subject: RE: [lro] Recreational GPS
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> > I am beginnning to strongly favour the approach where you get a Palm
> > + the tiny Magellan receiver addon that plugs into a port and makes
> > your Palm BECOME a GPS. Then of courseytou can download any maps
> > from the web and have a PROPER mapping unit, far cheaper and more
> > flexible than being tied into any one manufacturer's mapping
> > softgware and maps. Get it all freeware off teh web and schoose the
> > setup you like best..
> 
> Have you tried this solution yet? I investigated this way but I have a

No. I made the mistake of geting an Etrex when I knew nothing 
about GPS :(      And having got something that works (using the 
term loosely), I cant afford to get anything better untgi lit doesnt 
work any more :(

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Message: 10
From: "Garrick Olsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:37:05 -0600
Subject: [lro] SE7
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I found my own answer.  There's a SE7 5speed on eBay.  My wife straightened 
me out.  I'm a leafer.

-Rik
1960 SWB SW

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:42:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Take a look at
> http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq.htm#3 for
> some
> good unbiased information

Why would we want that? Ignorance and supposition are
so much more fun....

Personally I prefer disposable batteries made up of
banks of Ray-O-Vac D cells....

8*)

 ajr

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Message: 12
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:46:36 -0500
Subject: [lro] The Freebie has landed.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

All the talk about the degradation of the marque with modern innovations
made me feel particularly bad yesterday as we collected our Freelander.
Still, it's really Mary's and I have the SIIA and carburetted Rangie so can
still perform road/trail side repairs to those.
Just have to convince her that taking it on the backroads won't hurt it.

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Message: 13
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:50:05 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Al"what's that smoke?" Richer

Personally I prefer disposable batteries made up of
banks of Ray-O-Vac D cells....

BUT, they make such a mess in the engine compartment when you overcharge
them.
NOW, a nice bank of NiCads, hmmmm 3000 CCA should get that starter really
humming.

Trevor "Ampacity" Easton

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:53:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Scary part of that is that if you set the regulator up
right that would work beautifully....and no possible
leakage.

Beats the snot out of gel-cell technology....

       aj"But the cost! Oh, my...."r

--- Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]> wrote:

> NOW, a nice bank of NiCads, hmmmm 3000 CCA should
> get that starter really
> humming.

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:58:40 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Scary part of that is that if you set the regulator up
>right that would work beautifully

Poor cold weather performance though--I don't want to have to carry 
my starter battery bank around in my pockets...

jeff "dead camera" berg

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Message: 16
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] are heater ducts made of PVC pipe safe?
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:12:56 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The pressure rating of Sch 40 (typical for home use) PVC piping seriously
degrades at higher temperatures.  At lower temps (73F) the piping is good
for a conservative 150 psi, at 140F the pipe may not be able to handle the
30-60 psi found in home systems.

Mike

> degs?  And why do stores recommend against PVC
> plumbing for hot water systems in homes?
> Thanks,
> Joe Mulqueen
> '67 SIIA 

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:07:25 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The Freebie has landed.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Congrats Trevor and Mary on your new arrival! : )

At 08:46 AM 12/11/01, Trevor wrote:

>All the talk about the degradation of the marque with modern innovations
>made me feel particularly bad yesterday as we collected our Freelander.
>Still, it's really Mary's and I have the SIIA and carburetted Rangie so can
>still perform road/trail side repairs to those.
>Just have to convince her that taking it on the backroads won't hurt it.

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Message: 18
From: "marko.cosic" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] It's a gas...or too much?
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:48:56 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Evening,
> 
> Over the past few days, I've noticed that after I
> warm
> up my '67 IIa, around 3-4 minutes into it it'll
> sputter and I'll have to either keep my foot on the
> gas or open up the throttle to keep it going.

Could it be the carbourettor icing up, more common in cold weather?

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:01:16 -0500
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff Berg wrote:
 
> Poor cold weather performance though--I don't want to have to carry
> my starter battery bank around in my pockets...
> 
> jeff "dead camera" berg

Recently we bought a set of old German field telephones for my father
in law, who runs a large police firearms training range and needed a
bit of comms gear to use between his house and the range.  Whilst
looking over the units, which use 2 D-size cells, I noticed they'd
designed the battery packs so they could be removed from the case 
and reconnected using a 1-metre cord that plugs into each phone's
terminals.  It gets cold out, you tuck the battery pack into your 
skivvies and use the cord to keep the phones running -- same as with 
many camera rigs.  

Reading Jeff's post, I suddenly got a distinct vision of him carrying 
a size 24 Optima around in a baby-carrier 'snuggly' to keep it warm 
while he did his Christmas shopping...

Insufficient caffeine.  Excuse me.

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:41:41 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Battery redux
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Maybe not--but it's a pretty long walk to anyplace from
>that station

>  But what about using one of the most interesting belt-and-suspender set
>ups on our lovely Rovers, the hand crank?  Maybe best to crank up a
>generator equipped LR but, I'd have to try it.

Not sure about a vehicle with a generator, but on alternator-equipped
engines, a vehicle with a truly dead battery cannot be started with the
hand crank.  The alternator needs at least a 'tickle' of voltage to excite
the field into producin' the volts.  Sometimes something as simple as a
lantern battery can tickle the alternator enough to do its job.

>Ok, just thinking crazy out loud here:  If someone has an ele. winch,
>the batt. is good but, the starter is dead, I wonder if you could drag
>the car in gear with the winch at get it started? Maybe 1st low range?
>Not being able to be push/gravity started being taken into effect.

Think you want high gears here...get the engine turning over as fast as
possible, as the wheels aren't moving all that fast.  Whenever I've popped
the clutch, I've used second high....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:22:05 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I shared two of those ex-military phones with a guy down the hall in college.  A big 9 volt lantern batt'ry was connected to each and the little generator crank made the one on the other end ring.  We got them at a US Army surplus joint in Athens, GA for like $20 back in 1987.  Wonder where those things are.....

>>> [email-masked] 12/11/01 11:01AM >>>

Jeff Berg wrote:
 
> Poor cold weather performance though--I don't want to have to carry
> my starter battery bank around in my pockets...
> 
> jeff "dead camera" berg

Recently we bought a set of old German field telephones for my father
in law, who runs a large police firearms training range and needed a
bit of comms gear to use between his house and the range.  Whilst
looking over the units, which use 2 D-size cells, I noticed they'd
designed the battery packs so they could be removed from the case 
and reconnected using a 1-metre cord that plugs into each phone's
terminals.  It gets cold out, you tuck the battery pack into your 
skivvies and use the cord to keep the phones running -- same as with 
many camera rigs.  

Reading Jeff's post, I suddenly got a distinct vision of him carrying 
a size 24 Optima around in a baby-carrier 'snuggly' to keep it warm 
while he did his Christmas shopping...

Insufficient caffeine.  Excuse me.

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:41:12 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] The Freebie has landed.
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nothing wrong with the Freebie - it was designed to fill a market and it
seems like a good vehicle.  The problem lays when they start changing their
flagship products to become more like the Freelander - that's what bothers
me.

Hope you enjoy your new Freelander - they look nice.  How is the headroom in
the back seat?

Brian

On 12/11/01 5:46 AM, "Easton Trevor A" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> All the talk about the degradation of the marque with modern innovations
> made me feel particularly bad yesterday as we collected our Freelander.
> Still, it's really Mary's and I have the SIIA and carburetted Rangie so can
> still perform road/trail side repairs to those.
> Just have to convince her that taking it on the backroads won't hurt it.
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:45:41 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Another Power steering question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Although this may be a stupid question, I have not looked into it and feel I
have to ask. What is wrong with using a Range Rover Classic power steering
system, box, pump and all on a series Land Rover?
Thanks.
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:59:19 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I had a hard drive failure a few months backand lost a few photographs of the
restoration. A data recovery company offered to recover "most" of the data on
the damaged drive for $5,000. As you can imagine I immediately said yes and
shipped it off to them. NOT!!!  I actually told them that they were robbers and
I was thinking more like $100 (Hundred) as a max amount and that they should
stick it up their intake manifold.  As a result I have no pictures of the engine
swap and the gory bits of the restoration. I will put a few on the new Yahoo
site in a few days if anyone is interested, but they will have to be simply from
under the open hood and up underneath because I have had enough of removing and
refitting wings/ fenders etc
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Hope Peter wrote:

> ahhh, I love that color Mark.
> One of my 1:24 Monogram S-iii 88's I panted in it.
> Would love to see some details of the engine compartment.
> How did you handle the steering?
> Pete
> >
> > I just put my Land Rover Restoration pictures on Yahoo and it worked.
> Have a
> > look if you like.
> > Click here
> >
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/landiman2001/slideshow?&.dir=/1967+Land+Rover+Res
> toration&.src=ph&.view=t
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Mark Pilkington
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Message: 25
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:01:24 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Another Power steering question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark Pilkington wrote:
>What is wrong with using a Range Rover Classic power steering system, box, 
>pump and all on a series Land Rover?

It might work but your pocket book would also
be a lot lighter:)  Speaking of which, it's
time for me to head out to the dentist and drop
some more cash.  He could probably finance a new
Range Rover with all the work I have had done
lately.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 26
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Another Power steering question
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:01:46 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

More leaks !!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:46 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Another Power steering question

Although this may be a stupid question, I have not looked into it and feel I
have to ask. What is wrong with using a Range Rover Classic power steering
system, box, pump and all on a series Land Rover?
Thanks.
Mark Pilkington
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:03:03 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Hi-Tach
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Places to but Hi-Tach.  Nice.

http://www.hi-tach.com/buy.htm

Brian

On 12/10/01 11:59 AM, "Jeff Berg" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> Sandy shares:
>> a lucite case filled with nylon gears, the lowest of
>> which touched a pool of oil.  Turn the crank and the oil would climb all
>> the dozen or so gears wheels in the case.  Kinda neat....
> 
> AND
> 
>> Supposedly Lucas
>> Chemical (not *that* Lucas....) makes a similar oil additive.
> 
> I've seen that very display used for the Lucas Oil Stabilizer
> additive. Sold at finer parts stores (and my mechanics--I always play
> with the display while filling out the paperwork) everywhere.
> 
> Supposed to be good stuff actually--not that I want to get into the
> oil additive/snake oil debate again.
> 
> jab
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:32:52 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Coming Home
Reply-To: [email-masked]

One of the conditions of the sale when I bought my 67 Land Rover SWB from and
old guy here locally was that I must bring it back and show him it when it was
done. I agreed, and have thought about that a lot as the last 10 months have
passed.  He lives 10 miles off the pavement and the Land Rover spent 16 years
under the trees outside, after 10 years in a barn prior to a divorce.
Yesterday, My wife and I were in the area where we bought it and it was a sunny
day and we were not on any deadline so we thought that we would try to find his
place again. As each turn came we remembered it as a few were tight to get the
Range Rover and trailer around when we had taken it away. Pretty soon we were
near the house and the Ex owner was working in his garden.  As we came into view
he put his hand on his chest and his mouth opened.  I stopped and he came up and
said "now you are making me sad"  Concerned about whether we had upset him I
reminded him that he had asked us to bring it back and he recovered and said
that he was very glad we did but had actually thought that we would not remember
to do it.  The Landy was sitting there resplendent in new paint, tires and
engine, so different than she had been when we dragged her away. He said that he
would never have got round to it even if he had kept her and he was glad we had
her. He looked at so many things that he had done that were still the same.  He
showed me little idiosyncrasies that he had known, he told us how he had bought
it out of three divorces and even given it to his son who dumped it in a shed
until he took it back years later.  He told us of places he had been and things
he had done with it and in it. We were there for about an hour talking. He told
us that he often wondered what we had done and that he had thought that it was
too much of a project for us whippersnappers and that it was probably sitting in
our barn neglected.  Meanwhile we were restoring, swearing, buying, unbolting,
painting, cursing and finally registering it. He said that he heard the burble
of the V8 before he saw it and knew it was us "because only the Utility company
and Jehovah's Witnesses come down here."  It was a great day for him to see
it.   I think that I will send a big photo for him to keep of before and after.
He also invited us out on the trail next summer.  He has a nasty looking Jeep
that he still drives and camps out of in the Rubicon.  He gave us a spare Land
Rover wheel that he had found after we had taken it away and we left, driving
the same old trail that it had driven years ago and early this year had been
towed out on.  He also confirmed that the 327 V8 That he had in it was fitted
when new by a custom order at the dealer here in Northern California. I put a
350 in it because the 327 as dead so it was an easy swap.  It had only had a
2.25 four cylinder in it for the trip over here from Blighty in 1967 and all
that time it has had the same tranny in it.
Fun to complete the circle like that and to make good on a promise.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 29
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:53:50 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark,

Do you still have that drive?  Is it still intact?  I had a similar
experience with bids ranging from $2300 to $5500.  Anyway, with the
assistance of fellow lister Bryan Hoult (thanks again!) who gave me the name
of someone who is a true troubleshooter, I was able to recover the drive for
pennies on the dollar.  Catch me off-list and I can run you through the
details - maybe there is still a chance for that drive of yours.

But at the rate that these so-called data recovery specialists charge, I
should get in on that racket and get my 109 finished all the sooner so I can
restore more Series trucks ;-p

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures

I had a hard drive failure a few months backand lost a few photographs of
the
restoration. A data recovery company offered to recover "most" of the data
on
the damaged drive for $5,000. As you can imagine I immediately said yes and
shipped it off to them. NOT!!!  I actually told them that they were robbers
and
I was thinking more like $100 (Hundred) as a max amount and that they should
stick it up their intake manifold.  As a result I have no pictures of the
engine
swap and the gory bits of the restoration. I will put a few on the new Yahoo
site in a few days if anyone is interested, but they will have to be simply
from
under the open hood and up underneath because I have had enough of removing
and
refitting wings/ fenders etc
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Hope Peter wrote:

> ahhh, I love that color Mark.
> One of my 1:24 Monogram S-iii 88's I panted in it.
> Would love to see some details of the engine compartment.
> How did you handle the steering?
> Pete
> >
> > I just put my Land Rover Restoration pictures on Yahoo and it worked.
> Have a
> > look if you like.
> > Click here
> >
>
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/landiman2001/slideshow?&.dir=/1967+Land+Rover+Res

> toration&.src=ph&.view=t
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Mark Pilkington
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> LRO mailing list
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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:59:20 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another Power steering question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ahhhh!  Leaks and Bucks.  I see.  The Scout II Box I bought for $60 is a good
deal then.  I was under the Range Rover yesterday changing the oil and spotted
the power steering box it has. With my new "steering education" I eyeballed it
and came up with that question.
Just as a note, I have yet to see a liquid of green, red, brown, gold or
anything inbetween under my Range Rover. Either it is empty or I was a lucky
sod.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Easton Trevor A wrote:

> More leaks !!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:46 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] Another Power steering question
>
> Although this may be a stupid question, I have not looked into it and feel I
> have to ask. What is wrong with using a Range Rover Classic power steering
> system, box, pump and all on a series Land Rover?
> Thanks.
> Mark Pilkington
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Message: 31
Subject: Re: [lro] Another Power steering question
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 01 11:43:48 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Although this may be a stupid question, I have not looked into it and feel I
>have to ask. What is wrong with using a Range Rover Classic power steering
>system, box, pump and all on a series Land Rover?

Nothing that I can think of.  You just need to engineer the conversion 
and fabricate it.

Personally I do not think it will fit as nicely as a Scout II steering 
box but only you know what you can engineer and fabricate.

Just a note or two.

The Rover power steering system is a low pressure system and not suitable 
for milemarker hydraluic winches where as the Saganaw system used in the 
Scout will work well with a hydraluid winch.

Also most people consider a Saganaw power steering system to be more 
robust than the Rover one.

But by all means if you think you can do a good job engineering & 
fabricating do it and put pictures and a report up on the web.  I would 
love to see what you come up with.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:49:41 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Four WD/Two WD Knob problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What does it mean when the yellow 4WD/2WD knob will not stay down at all in any
circumstance?
Thanks
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 33
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'"
  <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:01:04 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Importing to US
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Boundy, Jerome" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:05:22 -0600 
Subject: [lro] Importing to US?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I have read the regs and printed the forms but 'am still confused about how
old the LR must be to be imported trouble free.

The way it's been explained to me by US Customs is that non-US-spec 
vehicles 25 years or older do not have to comply with the Federal safety 
and emissions specifications that were in effect during the year of the 
vehicle's manufacture.  However, vehicles DO have to comply with the 
requirements governing basic drivability requirements.  In other words, 
they have to be "street legal."

Also, they say it's possible that a vehicle doesn't need to
meet Federal standards might have to meet state requirements which 
could render it un-importable, but this will obviously vary from state 
to state.  So it might be a good idea to confirm with your state's 
motor vehicle authority that what you are planning to bring in is okay 
with them, even if it is 25 years old or older.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 34
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:18:28 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>... but to actually take an existing flagship product and push it into
this place where it would be UNTHINKABLE to take it off-road is ...
well....not clear to me.  Of course, I am not running a major multi-national
corporation so many things may be unclear to me.

Market research, including the research done by Land Rover itself 
prior to the rework of the Discovery, shows that worldwide, some 
90+ percent of 4wd buyers never take them off the pavement, and 
never intended to when they bought them.  Reasons for buying them 
range from better visibility, better survivability in an accident, better 
traction in rain and snow, and status.  For all practical purposes, no 
one said they wanted an SUV so they could drive on bad roads or 
go into the back country.  Consequently, almost all the changes 
Land Rover made to the Discovery were to improve its road 
handling, ride, and occupant comfort.  They did add some 
impressive off-road features, but even they admitted that this was 
to preserve the image of Land Rover as the world's premier 4wd 
maker, not because the buyers actually wanted these features.  The 
few Discovery owners I've talked to in recent years were mostly 
concerned with the quality of the stereo and its drivability on the 
freeway. 

So from a mass marketing point of view, the market for a 
utility-type 4wd vehicle with the emphasis on reliability and 
bad-road capabilities has disappeared as far as the civilian 
manufacturers are concerned.  There are no longer enough 
buyers for that sort of vehicle to make it worthwhile to manufacture 
them.  The first rule of manufacturing is make what the customer 
wants.  What they want are station wagons, but without the 
wussy, 1950s station wagon image.    Almost every SUV I see 
on the road, 
from RAV4s to Excursions, have one occupant, the driver.
Given the overall cost of fuel, the drag penalty of a large 
SUV, and the volume of space in an SUV that goes unused, 
I think something like a Volvo all-wheel-drive wagon is far 
better suited to what the market really needs.  But 
station wagons are "uncool."

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 35
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:27:04 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Overdrive
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Overdrive
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>What weight oil do you all recommend for the standard Fairey overdrive
unit.
None of my books mention this and the little bugger needs a top-off.

The installation/operations "manual" that came with a new Fairey overdrive 
says to put 90 wt lube oil in it, same as goes in the Series transmission, 
transfer case, differentials, and swivel balls.  And if you have a Fairey 
capstan winch, that uses 90 wt lube oil, too.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 36
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:35:34 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Overdrive
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Subject: Re: [lro] Overdrive
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>What weight oil do you all recommend for the standard Fairey overdrive 
unit.

>Personally, I use 85W140 with Hi-Tach added.  If I lived further North (say

in upstate NY), I'd use 75W90 with Hi-Tach.

I have read that adding a "slippery" additive to the lube oil in a
syncromesh 
transmission, which is what the Fairey overdrive actually is, is Not Good
for 
the transmission.  Not because it harms the bearings or bushings, but
because 
it can cause the syncro rings to slip and disengage, depending on their
design 
and the loads on the rings.  I don't know if Hi-Tach performs the same  
function as a product like STP, but I know STP was considered a big no-no
for syncromesh transmissions.  I have used an additive (Power Punch) in my 
transfer case, but never in the transmission of my SIII.  The Fairey
overdrive 
was actually made of components from a transmission that was used in 
Rover cars (don't know which models).  So you might want to make sure 
that whatever additive you are considering using is not "bad" for syncro 
rings.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 37
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:45:14 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: what battery to buy...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:28:40 -0500
Subject: [lro] what battery to buy for a IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>...What is a good replacement?

I've read several times that there are actually only 
two battery manufacturers in the US.  All the batteries 
on the market are products of these two companies.  
What changes are the specs, quality, etc.  Sort of like 
VCRs, of which there are only two or three manufacturers 
despite the dozens of brands available.

While Sears Die-Hard batteries are everyone's favorite 
"don't buy them" subject, like Fram filters, I have used 
Die-Hard batteries (and Fram filters) in every vehicle 
but one I have owned over the last 30-plus years, and 
never had a complaint about either of them.  The 
Die-Hards I have used have generally gone seven 
to nine years before needing replacement.  I just 
replaced the Die Hard in my SIII that was installed 
in 1993, only to discover that the problem I was 
having wasn't the battery but the starter, which finally 
wore out after 28 years.  So I probably had several 
years more life left in that battery.

The only non-Die Hard batteries I've had experience 
with are the batteries in my BMW 633 and 635.  These 
were "BMW" batteries made by anyone's guess, and the 
recent replacement in my 635 is an Interstate because that's 
what my friend with the BMW shop I use carries.  I've had 
no complaints (so far) about the "BMW" or Interstate 
batteries, either.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 38
From: "marko.cosic" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Overdrive
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:42:25 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Fairey
overdrive 
was actually made of components from a transmission that was used in 
Rover cars (don't know which models). 

-----

Rover 2000

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Message: 39
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:46:30 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Overdrive
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated Tue, 11 Dec 2001  4:37:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]> writes:

> 
> >>What weight oil do you all recommend for the standard Fairey overdrive 
> unit.
> 
> >Personally, I use 85W140 with Hi-Tach added.  If I lived further North (say
> 
> in upstate NY), I'd use 75W90 with Hi-Tach.
> 
> I have read that adding a "slippery" additive to the lube oil in a
> syncromesh 
> transmission, which is what the Fairey overdrive actually is, is Not Good
> for 
> the transmission.  Not because it harms the bearings or bushings, but
> because 
> it can cause the syncro rings to slip and disengage, depending on their
> design 
> and the loads on the rings.  I don't know 

Marin,

You should read a bit about what Hi-Tach is.  Firstly, it is not claimed to increase the slipperyish-ness of the oil.

Secondly, it is not like STP which was supposed to help decrease oil leaks and the like.

Hi-Tach simply increases the cling-ability of the oil.  I don't see how in the Sam Hill this could damage a syncro unit but hey--that's just my opinion.

My personal experience has been that it decreases the noise in the OD.  

Nate

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Message: 40
Subject: Re: [lro] Four WD/Two WD Knob problems
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 01 13:54:14 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>What does it mean when the yellow 4WD/2WD knob will not stay down at all 
>in any circumstance?

You are in low range?

If this is happening in high range, take a look and make sure the 
external linkage is OK.  If it is you may need to pull the front section 
of the transfer case to look for a broken part.  Hopefully someone else 
will have an answer that requires less work.   

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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Message: 41
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:02:46 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: What you all don't know about batteries...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The Die Hard was replaced after it kept me 
in Maine for an extra hour--trying to get the car to turn over the 
day Amiee and I were leaving Winter Romp.

That's what the hand crank's for :-).  On those 
occasions when the battery needed replacement but I 
couldn't afford one until the next paycheck, I simply 
started the SIII with the crank.  I remember doing 
this for as long as a week, with the vehicle 
being driven several times a day.  As long as the engine 
was cold, it would start first pull if I set it up properly.  
Many, many years went by since I last had to do this 
until the other month when the starter finally quit.  The 
vehicle was outside the garage when I discovered 
this, but I wanted to get it back inside until I got a 
replacement starter.  The slightly uphill push was 
a bit too much for me and my wife, so I thought 
I'd give the handcrank (through the Fairey 
capstan) a try.  I didn't think it would work, 
given the number of decades older the engine was 
since the last time I'd done this, but I went ahead 
and set the engine up anyway.  First pull, it fired 
right up.  Try THAT with your 350 V-8 
conversion...:-)

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 42
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:09:07 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: What you all don't know about batteries...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:23:29 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What you all don't know about batteries...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Not on Jeffo's truck - the capstan winch puts paid to
that. Cranking that little short-handled nighmare is
likely a good path to a broken arm...

Not true.  See my earlier post.  I hand 
cranked my SIII through the Fairey capstan 
probably over 100 times back in the 
seventies and early 80s when I sometimes 
had to wait a week or two before being able 
to afford a new battery.  Never had a problem 
with the crank, never had the (cold) engine 
fail to start on the first pull.  It won't do it 
hot, but it always starts first pull when 
cold.  The actual crank handle on the short 
Fairey crank is no different that the crank 
handle on the stock long crank (I have both 
of them in my vehicle).  So if you think you're 
at risk of breaking your arm, you're not doing 
the procedure correctly.  It's extremely 
easy, and poses no risk to your hand, arm, 
or any other part of your anatomy.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 43
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:21:18 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Four WD/Two WD Knob problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It usually means that the rods that engage it are stuck.
Four wheel drive is actually engaged by a spring inside the "nose" of
the transfercase and when things get a touch stiff it won't go in.
At front just above the output to the front axle is a "tin" cover.
Remove this and clean out the muck and rust. Then with some spray on
lube such as fluidfilm move the rods in and out til they move smoothly.
Replace the cover if it rusty or damaged.
John and Muddy 

Mark Pilkington wrote:
> 
> What does it mean when the yellow 4WD/2WD knob will not stay down at all in any
> circumstance?
> Thanks
> Mark Pilkington
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 44
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:27:18 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Four WD/Two WD Knob problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I seem to remember this happening on my 88 many years ago, and the
solution - as far as I recall - was simple - something to do with the
L/H gear selection not having been used for a long time and getting a
thin layer of rust/crud on the one or two stub shafts which stick out of
the box - the red handle wasn't sitting properly in place, therefore the
yellow knob didn't engage properly when depressed. I don't recall the
details, but i do recall solving it all by stripping and cleaning with
WD40 and sandpaper then regreasing the front part of that part of the
gear box. Sorry I can't be more specific, but i am sure it was a simple
(if not time consuming and grubby) solution. Maybe I shopuld go and read
the manual and see if I can remember more... :-)

Good luck!

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 45
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:28:22 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: What you all don't know about batteries...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hand crank? TYR that with your 2.25l diesel... :-)

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 46
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:42:28 -0500
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Tempertaures
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Adrian writes  -  Given that the water in the engine boils at 1000C the
heater system and
airflow should never exceed this. My bet is that the warm air never
exceeds 650C - for fahrenheit on the other side of the pond, someone
will have to figure the equivalent.
 
Is your Land Rover fitted with a gas turbine engin?

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 47
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:51:09 -0500
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New RR
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ford's Land Rover unit to spend $3.6 billion developing five new models
December 11, 2001 
BLOOMBERG NEWS 
SOLIHULL, England -- Ford Motor Co.'s Land Rover unit said it will spend
2.5
billion pounds ($3.6 billion) over five years to develop and introduce
five
new models in an effort to increase sales and return to profit. 
Ford bought the maker of Freelander and Range Rover sport-utility
vehicles
for 3 billion euros ($2.7 billion) last year from Bayerische Motoren
Werke
AG. 
The new models are part of a plan to increase sales to 275,000 vehicles
annually by 2006 from 170,000 currently. Land Rover also wants to post an
annual profit in 2003 for the first time in at least five years. Its
newest
model, the redesigned Range Rover, goes on sale early next year for about
70,000 euros. 
"We think there are huge opportunities for growth," said Land Rover
President Bob Dover in an interview. He said the 2.5 billion pounds
excludes
the 1 billion pounds spent to bring a new Range Rover to market. 
Land Rover is especially eager to expand in the U.S., where it has only 1
percent of all sport utility sales, compared with 20 percent in Europe. 
Its smallest sport utility, the Freelander, went on sale in the U.S. for
the
first time this fall "and appears to be pretty well received," Dover
said. 
He also said the company will build the next-generation Discovery sport
utility at the Solihull factory in about 2005, despite the high costs
related to the British pound. 
The company considered building the Discovery at "three or four" Ford
factories in the U.S. and Europe, but concluded it would be more costly
than
the existing plant. 
He said he hopes the U.K. is close to adopting the euro by the time
Discovery production begins, which would help control costs. 
In addition to upgrading the existing four models, Land Rover will
develop a
new model that's smaller than the Freelander, Dover said. 
Dover, who is a Ford vice president and also oversees the company's
U.K.-based luxury brands of Jaguar and Aston Martin, said he hopes the
group
can "avoid major disruptions" of its expansion plans because of Ford's
financial losses. 
"It may affect the speed we do things," he said. "We're assessing that
right
now."
 
Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 48
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:49:25 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Four WD/Two WD Knob problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It will never stay down. It should be the 4WD in hi and it does not even try
to stay down, just boing, boing boing on the spring.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >What does it mean when the yellow 4WD/2WD knob will not stay down at all
> >in any circumstance?
>
> You are in low range?
>
> If this is happening in high range, take a look and make sure the
> external linkage is OK.  If it is you may need to pull the front section
> of the transfer case to look for a broken part.  Hopefully someone else
> will have an answer that requires less work.
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
>
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Message: 49
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:48:55 -0800
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Rover Pictures
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi Everyone,

I just added a photo server on RoverMe.Org and it is working great.  I
encourage all of you to go look and create your own photo albums so we can
check our your rover too.  I hope you enjoy and use it lots!  Now if I could
just convince TeriAnn to help me decorate the site.  ;o)

Have fun everyone!

Brian

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Message: 50
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:58:20 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Hand Cranking.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin wrote;
First pull, it fired right up.  Try THAT with your 350 V-8
conversion...:-)

Hmmm. If I want to crank one, I will just do it to one of my other Land
Rovers. The V8 starts on the push of a button. The hole in the
bumper/crossmember does not even line up with the bottom pulley anymore
on mine. BUT the loss of cranking by hand is a small sacrifice to make
when I now have the ability to do 80 mph and crawl up the side of the
house whilst using the same amount of gas as the 2.25. BUT right now the
little sod will not hold it's yellow tit down, and so will not stay in
High 4WD.
Power steering is going in on Friday.  I went with the Scout II box and
all new arms and rods etc etc.  Should be a joy to behold.  Next will be
Overdrive and I will have lower RPM at 80 and the dream Land Rover will
be complete.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 51
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:00:54 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Four WD/Two WD Knob problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thank you John,
    You are always so concise and accurate. I will print this e-mail and go home with
it and put on overalls.  That is exactly the advice I was looking for.
Kind regards,
Mark

John Cranfield wrote:

> It usually means that the rods that engage it are stuck.
> Four wheel drive is actually engaged by a spring inside the "nose" of
> the transfercase and when things get a touch stiff it won't go in.
> At front just above the output to the front axle is a "tin" cover.
> Remove this and clean out the muck and rust. Then with some spray on
> lube such as fluidfilm move the rods in and out til they move smoothly.
> Replace the cover if it rusty or damaged.
> John and Muddy
>
> Mark Pilkington wrote:
> >
> > What does it mean when the yellow 4WD/2WD knob will not stay down at all in any
> > circumstance?
> > Thanks
> > Mark Pilkington
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 52
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:13:11 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Rover Pictures
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Brian,
    Am I being a bit dim? I went to the site and saw your Discovery, but was not
able to see how to add a photo of mine.
Sorry. html to me is;  Hard To Make Learn.
Kind regards,
Mark

Brian Horner wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just added a photo server on RoverMe.Org and it is working great.  I
> encourage all of you to go look and create your own photo albums so we can
> check our your rover too.  I hope you enjoy and use it lots!  Now if I could
> just convince TeriAnn to help me decorate the site.  ;o)
>
> Have fun everyone!
>
> Brian
>
> ------------------------
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