Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #181 - 34 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (Frank Elson)
   2. Re: Importing to US? (Frank Elson)
   3. RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction (Peter & Julie Rosvall)
   4. RE: Importing to US? (Alan J. Richer)
   5. Re: Importing to US? (Alan J. Richer)
   6. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (Frank Elson)
   7. Carmicheal Van on ebay? ([email-masked])
   8. Re: Importing to US? (Richard Joltes)
   9. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (S. Vels Chr.)
  10. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market ([email-masked])
  11. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (Frank Elson)
  12. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market ([email-masked])
  13. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (marko.cosic)
  14. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (S. Vels Chr.)
  15. Re: Importing to US? (Mark Pilkington)
  16. Overdrive (Brian Horner)
  17. Re: Importing to US? (Mark Pilkington)
  18. Re: Overdrive ([email-masked])
  19. Re: RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction (Paul Quin)
  20. Re: Overdrive (Brian Horner)
  21. Re: Overdrive ([email-masked])
  22. Re: RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction (Brian Horner)
  23. Re: Overdrive (Brian Horner)
  24. Re: Importing to US? (Alan J. Richer)
  25. what battery to buy for a IIA ([email-masked])
  26. Re: what battery to buy for a IIA (Rolston)
  27. RE: RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction (Easton Trevor A)
  28. 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures (Mark Pilkington)
  29. Re: 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures (Hope Peter)
  30. Re: RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction (John Cranfield)
  31. RE: RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction (Easton Trevor A)
  32. Re: Carmicheal Van on ebay? (Keith Tanner)
  33. Re: what battery to buy for a IIA (Richard Joltes)
  34. Re: what battery to buy for a IIA (brian girasoli)

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Message: 1
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:58:01 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin writes:>>>>The original Land
> Rover/Range
> Rover concept of a sound utility vehicle that, in the case of the Range
> Rover, is
> also nice to go to dinner in, is dead and buried.  The new Range Rover is
> clearly designed to be the ultimate luxo-mall cruiser, and the Defender
> concepts illustrated seem aimed at the generation of people who played
> with Transformers.  The emphasis seems to be totally on image.<<<

I've just written a column on almost exactly the same lines.
 The 'new' Land Rover company is nothing to do with us any more.
 I think I'm probably off the Land Rover Christmas card list...
but I admire my editor for accepting what I wrote and printing it.

Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 2
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Importing to US?
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:26:43 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark writes: >>>The best places to look once you are in Britain is the
Enthusiast
> magazines rather than the internet, because surprisingly, only the
enlightened
> few are online back home.  Most Land Rover owners do not have a computer.
The
> exception of course is Frank and the others in Blighty.  Of the 6 I
bought, none
> were online.<<<

true, up to a point (Lord Cropper)...
however, we (enthusiasts) don't buy too many here in the Uk from the LR
magazines (oops, should I say that?) because they are more expensive - the
mag readers know the values more.
 We buy from Autotrader Magazine, Loot or Exchange and Mart. These are where
the 'non-=enthusiasts' sell their Land Rovers.
 Only problem is that you get a standard vehicle so if you want extras look
in the LR mags.
 And while most owners aren't on-line the mags mentioned are (Loot not a mag
but a free ads newspaper):

www.exchangeandmart.co.uk
www.loot.com
www.autotrader.co.uk

Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 3
From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:34:44 -0400
Subject: [lro] RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just took a peek at the auction site to see how things are going.  Looks
great, there is a used Series transmission that seems to be quite popular,
as well as several die-cast Land Rovers and of course the John/Muddy
t-shirts.

Anyone south of the border should keep in mind that all bids are in Canadian
dollars, so your money goes a lot further.  Also, if you are concerned about
shipping, and live in the Northeastern US, you may be able to find someone
willing to cart your purchase across the border, many Maritimers head
Downeast during the year, and just as many New Englanders/New Yorkers head
up this way.  Or of course you could always visit Nova Scotia, an option I
would highly recommend.

If you haven't seen the auction site yet, check it out.
www.maritimerovers.org

Julie Rosvall
Wolfville, NS
72' Series III  88

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 06:12:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Importing to US?
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The numbers DJ mentioned not too long ago (1500 or so)
are accurate - I got Miss jessica into the country for
less than that but I did my own Customs clearances and
the like.

It's not all that hard and anyone saying it is either
hasn't done it or simply is trying to get you to pay
HIM to do it....8*)

>From what I remember of my costs (18 months to 2 years
ago).

550 quid shipping costs (88 Series II)
Steam cleaning charge (30 quid)
Port charge in Baltimore ($78)
Taxes - 5% of purchase cost
Lots of patience

It can be done - it just takes patience and attention
to the rules.

          ajr
--- "Jablonski, Michael"
<[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> So when it's all said and done...  What's the total
> average cost of
> importing a driveable Series into the US?  Are there
> any good sources to
> purchase from in the UK?
> 
> Thanx,
> Mike J. (lurking and waiting to buy).
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:38 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Importing to US?
> 
> 
> 
> I agree,
>     Importing them is not so hard.  I did 6 this
> year,  Make sure all are
> pre 76
> and for CA make sure they are pre-74.  Foot and
> mouth is not too bad, I had
> to
> pressure wash 4 of my 6 while an Ag inspector
> watched.
> Kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington
> 
> Dick Joltes wrote:
> 
> > Well, I just imported a 1974 SIII last December
> with no problems
> > whatsoever, so that should tell you something.  I
> did all the work
> > myself -- had Wallenius Wilhelmsen lines ship the
> car in for me,
> > paid a broker $100 to run my paperwork through
> customs since I had an
> > accident (cf. recent 'bullbar' discussion) and
> couldn't do it myself
> > in time, then drove to Baltimore to pick it up
> from the car park.  It
> > is (or was) not all that hard; I'm actually
> thinking of importing 1-2
> > cars/year for resale since it'd be a great excuse
> to make trips to
> > the UK...and write them off.
> >
> > One tidbit of advice:  if you get an ex-MoD car,
> do _not_ mention the
> > word 'military' anywhere on your paperwork.  Just
> list it as a SIII/
> > 109 or 88 and leave it at that.  One thing that
> may affect things is
> > the recent foot-and-mouth outbreak in the UK; for
> a while we were
> > apparently being very twitchy about anything that
> might've been near
> > a farm during its lifetime.  Not sure if that
> still applies, though.
> >
> > Keep all paperwork in one place, and don't throw
> anything away.
> >
> > It sounds as if someone is trying to make it sound
> hard so they can
> > charge you a lot of money.  Or they're doing the
> 'armchair expert'
> > thing and really don't know what they're on about.
> >
> > Let me know if you have questions.
> >
> > dj
> > 1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"
> >
> > "Boundy, Jerome" wrote:
> > >
> > > HELP PLEASE!
> > >
> > > I have read the regs and printed the forms but
> 'am still confused about
> how
> > > old the LR must be to be imported trouble free.
> > >
> > > Even though it seems to be clear vehicles of 25
> yr. vintage should be
> fine,
> > > I keep hearing from people that there is much
> more to it, based on the
> UK
> > > specs. not matching the correct criteria in
> 1975/6, and that it is still
> > > only possible to import 60's vehicles.
> > >
> > > Does anybody know the real story???   I would
> love to import a S111 as
> early
> > > as next year.
> > >
> > > Anyone know of a reputable agent in the US?
> > >
> > > Lastly have the events of 9/11 effected the
> importing of vehicles in
> anyway?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your assistance and sorry
> for all the questions.
> > >
> > > Jerome
> > >
> > > Jerome Boundy
> > > 847 429 8036
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 06:17:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Importing to US?
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nope - 25 years is the criteria if you have a look at
the paperwork (and you're not importing to the PRC).

Registration is another issue and hinges on emissions
and the like - but that can be determined in advance.

DJ not long ago brought in his early 70s Lightweight
with no problems, so methinks whoever is telling you
things about the specifications is playing armchair
expert....

              ajr

--- "Boundy, Jerome"
<[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> HELP PLEASE!
> 
> I have read the regs and printed the forms but 'am
> still confused about how
> old the LR must be to be imported trouble free.
> 
> Even though it seems to be clear vehicles of 25 yr.
> vintage should be fine,
> I keep hearing from people that there is much more
> to it, based on the UK
> specs. not matching the correct criteria in 1975/6,
> and that it is still
> only possible to import 60's vehicles.
> 
> Does anybody know the real story???   I would love
> to import a S111 as early
> as next year.  
> 
> Anyone know of a reputable agent in the US?
> 
> Lastly have the events of 9/11 effected the
> importing of vehicles in anyway?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your assistance and sorry for
> all the questions.
> 
> Jerome
> 
> Jerome Boundy
> 847 429 8036
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
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Message: 6
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:15:40 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

you write: >>>LR is not going to ignore government contracts either. Armies,
police
> forces, fire departments, ministry offices, - as well as tight fisted
> farmers, <<<

that's not what Bob Morrison says...

>>> low profile tyres, chrome linings and
> sports/vanity equipment. >

> When the 90/110 came out, i found that the design had finally been taken
> beyond true Land-Rover. But i have gotten used to the design. I wonder
> if i won't get used to the new Defender range as well.<<<<

it isn't the body design, chrome wheels and vanity equipment, as such, that
worries some of us,
 it's all the fancy electrickery, that stops the vehicles being
honest-to-goodness workhorses that can be repaired on the driveway...
.. and to my mind Land Rover has already overstepped that mark with the
vehicles (including Defenders) it is selling right now...

Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 7
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:55:43 EST
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Carmicheal Van on ebay?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all,

Anybody seen this truck or been able to get in contact with the seller?  I'd 
kind of like to bid on it, but the crappy little pictures don't help much.  
Also, what the heck does "needs restoration" mean?

I've sent the seller a few emails but have received no responses yet.

Anybody?

Nate

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:19:54 -0500
From: Richard Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Importing to US?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Most states don't seem to care about emissions for older cars like these.
I've found that some will actually perform a test (ha! I could see the soot
clogging the reader pipe!) but don't do a pass/fail on the car--they just
want to gather statistics to see how the older cars pollute.  Others do a
safety check and that's it.  Smudger's after-market air horn caused quite
a stir in the garage when the tech set it off (the owner had his head under
the bonnet at the time...).

What I would do is contact your local vehicle registration centre and ask
what the criteria are for the car you're thinking of buying.  Ask about the
emissions standards, sales tax rubbish, and so forth since it seems that a
lot of the states simply want to extract cash from people for any arbitrary
reason (reminds me of the taxman in the "Popeye" movie).

Also ask about 'classic' plates in your state.  In some cases you may want
to get regular-style ones if the state regs regarding classic/antique 
prohibit
driving >NN miles/week, after dark, or what have you.  (Pennsylvania,
for example, has some reg stating that a 'classic' car can't be used as a
daily driver -- only once/week; Massachusetts prohibits driving a classic-
reg. car after dark).

As for finding cars in the UK, "Loot" is how I found Smudger.  As Frank
noted, you can find a lot of good stuff for cheap in that and other 
classified-
advert mags.  I very nearly scored a new/old hardtop just before I moved
back to USA, but simply didn't have time to go pick it up <sob!>.  That
reminds me, I still have to go to Nate's soon...

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

Alan J. Richer wrote:

>Nope - 25 years is the criteria if you have a look at
>the paperwork (and you're not importing to the PRC).
>
>Registration is another issue and hinges on emissions
>and the like - but that can be determined in advance.
>
>DJ not long ago brought in his early 70s Lightweight
>with no problems, so methinks whoever is telling you
>things about the specifications is playing armchair
>expert....

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:20:19 +0100
From: "S. Vels Chr." <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Frank Elson wrote:

>you write: >>>LR is not going to ignore government contracts either. Armies,
>police
>
>>forces, fire departments, ministry offices, - as well as tight fisted
>>farmers, <<<
>>
>
>that's not what Bob Morrison says...
>
That's what i say  ;-)

>it isn't the body design, chrome wheels and vanity equipment, as such, that
>worries some of us,
> it's all the fancy electrickery, that stops the vehicles being
>honest-to-goodness workhorses that can be repaired on the driveway...
>.. and to my mind Land Rover has already overstepped that mark with the
>vehicles (including Defenders) it is selling right now...
>
LR would not be able to sell a slightly restyled ser. III these days. 
Except to a little handfull of enthusiasts.  LR is forced to show som 
developement in order to sell cars.
Alle the electrickery is also nescessary to meet environmental 
legislation on most markets. And LR prefers to be on the edge rather 
than to just meet the specs to have a little slack.

Remember the discussion about the bodyshape?. The EU commision was 
concerned about "boxy" cars causing unnescessary injury to people by 
impact. A LR spokesman stated that LR would adhere to any directive from 
the EU. A streamlined Defender. Imagine that. But perhaps in a not so 
distant future, bureaucrats will reshape not only the Defender, but the 
whole range of models from Land-Rover. And make them in plastic.

Cars like ours just aren't made anymore. (Except for the two-stroke 
sputterputters they make in India). That's it.

Grown men cried when Jaguar ended the XK engine after 38! years. But the 
new V8 with all its electrickery is the best Jag enging ever, all 
factors considered.

The Aston-Martin club refused to take in owners of the DB7 because i is 
a production line car not build up from the ground individually. But it 
is still an exceptional vehicle.

We just can't expect manufacturers to stick to technology regarded by 
the majority as obsolete. But we can keep our old series cars running 
and we can do so in our driveways (or in the parking lot, for those of 
us who live in apartments).

respectfully yours
sv/aurens

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Message: 10
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:00:59 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/8/2001 10:23:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] 
writes:

<< Cars like ours just aren't made anymore. (Except for the two-stroke 
 sputterputters they make in India). That's it. >>

I agree with this comment and most of everything in this post.  Modern 
vehicle emissions and safety standards strongly dictate what can and will be 
used.  Many pre 1980 vehicles could not pass modern standards even when in 
perfect tune.

I don't view the new LR's as vehicles related to my truck (Defenders 
exempted) and judge them against other vehicles in the marketplace without 
prejudice.  From a nostalgia standpoint I am disappointed but new vehicles 
must meet modern demands.--Heck even Harley Davidson is making a watercooled 
bike now!

Remember, don't crush 'em, restore 'em

Nate

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Message: 11
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:24:21 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

with respect, Bob Morrison actually talks to Land Rover about military Land
Rovers....

as to the rest of what you say I agree totally, maybe I put it badly but
what I meant was that modern Land Rovers have very little, apart from the
name badge, to do with the vehicles we drive.
 I'm a bit sad about that but I accept it as a part of modern automotive
marketing.
 However, those of us who do want simple, agricultural vehicles, must be
allowed to say we're sad about it, and to point out the shortfalls - from
our point of view - of the new products. After all we have kept that company
going for many years.
 There is another view of course, that instead of joining the free-for-all
mass market, a company stays small and goes for a niche market.

It's all academic to me anyway, I have a Ser4 that I have ensured will last
longer than I will, so I have no need to buy a modern Land Rover or any of
the models that will follow.
Best Cheers

Frank
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----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Vels Chr." <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market

>
> Frank Elson wrote:
>
> >you write: >>>LR is not going to ignore government contracts either.
Armies,
> >police
> >
> >>forces, fire departments, ministry offices, - as well as tight fisted
> >>farmers, <<<
> >>
> >
> >that's not what Bob Morrison says...
> >
> That's what i say  ;-)
>
> >it isn't the body design, chrome wheels and vanity equipment, as such,
that
> >worries some of us,
> > it's all the fancy electrickery, that stops the vehicles being
> >honest-to-goodness workhorses that can be repaired on the driveway...
> >.. and to my mind Land Rover has already overstepped that mark with the
> >vehicles (including Defenders) it is selling right now...
> >
> LR would not be able to sell a slightly restyled ser. III these days.
> Except to a little handfull of enthusiasts.  LR is forced to show som
> developement in order to sell cars.
> Alle the electrickery is also nescessary to meet environmental
> legislation on most markets. And LR prefers to be on the edge rather
> than to just meet the specs to have a little slack.
>
> Remember the discussion about the bodyshape?. The EU commision was
> concerned about "boxy" cars causing unnescessary injury to people by
> impact. A LR spokesman stated that LR would adhere to any directive from
> the EU. A streamlined Defender. Imagine that. But perhaps in a not so
> distant future, bureaucrats will reshape not only the Defender, but the
> whole range of models from Land-Rover. And make them in plastic.
>
> Cars like ours just aren't made anymore. (Except for the two-stroke
> sputterputters they make in India). That's it.
>
> Grown men cried when Jaguar ended the XK engine after 38! years. But the
> new V8 with all its electrickery is the best Jag enging ever, all
> factors considered.
>
> The Aston-Martin club refused to take in owners of the DB7 because i is
> a production line car not build up from the ground individually. But it
> is still an exceptional vehicle.
>
> We just can't expect manufacturers to stick to technology regarded by
> the majority as obsolete. But we can keep our old series cars running
> and we can do so in our driveways (or in the parking lot, for those of
> us who live in apartments).
>
>
> respectfully yours
> sv/aurens
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 12
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:48:24 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/8/2001 11:28:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< It's all academic to me anyway, I have a Ser4 that I have ensured will last
 longer than I will, so I have no need to buy a modern Land Rover or any of
 the models that will follow. >>

Me too (sort of).  I have a Ser2a with a spare engine, tranny and couple of 
axles which I suspect will outlast me.  Would I love to buy a nice new 130, 
110 or 109?  Yup.  But I guess I'll have to settle with buying an old one and 
making it new. 

--Which, btw, I think is Frank's whole point.  ;o)

Nate

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Message: 13
From: "marko.cosic" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:07:59 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I agree with this comment and most of everything in this post.  Modern
vehicle emissions and safety standards strongly dictate what can and will be
used.  Many pre 1980 vehicles could not pass modern standards even when in
perfect tune.

-----

Hence the Series III's padded dash, lights in wings, safety
door-hinges/windscreen mounts and every other 'upgrade' bodged onto the IIa that
we don't like!

If you want a truck to do a job and not the faff of modern legslation then your
only option is to restore/alter an older truck or build something like a bowler
or an ibex.

Pre-1980 vehicles haven't a hope in hell of passing modern emissions, unless
they're very early catalysed petrols. Similarly even the proposed Euro-IV spec
diesels couldn't pass Euro-II  (1992 on) petrol emissions standards.

Having said all that I'm working on putting a modern Efi engine into my SIII and
altering the steering arrangment to incorporate power steering and a
shaft/coloumn layout that isn't a likely to skewer me in an accident. (you know
the coloumn to punch through your chest and the drag link poised to pin your
left knee).

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:12:23 +0100
From: "S. Vels Chr." <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Frank Elson wrote:

>with respect, Bob Morrison actually talks to Land Rover about military Land
>Rovers....
>
Perhaps the accountants haven't had their say on the board meeting yet. 
It's a big chunk of market. We'll see when the time comes.

>
>as to the rest of what you say I agree totally, maybe I put it badly but
>what I meant was that modern Land Rovers have very little, apart from the
>name badge, to do with the vehicles we drive.
> I'm a bit sad about that but I accept it as a part of modern automotive
>marketing.
>
I find it more intreaging to own a car that is out of production than to 
have one that everybody else has. And i like the challenge of keeping 
such a car running on a daily basis. But now and then i wish i had a 
little more power. A fifth speed. A different suspension. And i know 
which vintages has these things. :-)

rgds
sv/aurens

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:33:27 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Importing to US?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Exactly Frank, I agree.  The run of the mill landies are in the autotraders and
such, that is where I used to read ads every thursday over a cup of tea while
missing lectures at college. These are farmers and non-enthusiasts selling off
an old workhorse. For an American vistiting England looking for a good one for
less than will be paid for in America would you not agree that the better ones
in the LR Glossies are a better bet? Unless of course they are looking for one
for restoration. The one I restored here this past year was bought locally here
in California for $1,200 (Or #800) and had a chassis that would rival a new
one.  It was a faded shabby tired old beast that was totally structurally sound
and only needed to have all it's parts removed, and
cleaned/painted/fixed/replaced.  The restoration has cost about $5,000 so far
(#3,800) and I have a Left Hand Drive 285 HP Series IIa SWB.  I import them too,
but I import the nice ones. The projects are better found here in the USA for
Americans/Canadians.  To find mine, I ran a rather risky ad in a local rag for a
buck that said "Old Land Rover wanted, Any condition" I have done it twice, both
times ended up with one.  The second time found the one I mention above, whilst
the first revealed a 1958 Series One that I bought for $800 (#600) I have to be
careful how many times I run an ad like that
because the last two have kept me in the garage on my back covered in grease and
swearing for two years.  The local rag only has a circulation of a radius of 50
miles.  Imagine if you are looking for a restoration project and advertised in a
real newspaper?  It was quite funny actually when the owner of my V8 Series IIa
called in response to that ad, he left a message on my machine saying "I have an
old Land Rover but I'm not sure if I want to sell it" I called him and we
talked. At the weekend it snowed and I could not get in to see him because he
lives way out in the forest of Northern California. The next opportunity was the
next week after the snow melted. damn I could not wait to see that Land Rover. I
heard it calling me from the forest at night like a siren (almost;-)) Anyway
when I saw it I had to have it and the rest is history.
    On a side note about the new Range Rover and Defender, I think that all that
has happened is that the company, Ford/Land Rover has done what all the
automakers have done.  They have bought the image and have sold it to the modern
market. Sad but true.  The image of a Land Rover for me is an old series vehicle
scrabbling up a Scottish hillside, rugged and reliable.  This is "bought" by the
modern Discovery/Range Rover buyer. While parked outside Tesco's or the Mall
depending on which side of the pond you are on, the owner has the image and
potentail to be rugged, but never does. Just the same way a lot of people will
wear Pierre Cardin and Gucci clothes but have never been to Europe.  The clothes
are sold with the image of a cosmoplitan Parisien boulongerie or Monte Carlo
Sunset in mind but in reality are mass produced in Bankok for $3 each.  It is
all image.  Cars have gone the same way. Look at the trouble Haundai have had
getting recognition.  If they produced a rugged SUV it would not be taken
seriously. Land Rover has image though as does Jag.  I am always interested in
the way these will be advertised and projected to the public. Since the mid
1970's all the cars and trucks have changed so much. We are all enthusiasts
because we like the old things.  If you could by a new Series IIa right now
built by Land Rover for a few grand, we would dump our old rigs and buy one to
save time.  It is natural to resist change. I think that the new Range Rover
would be interesting to see but I would not buy one even if I could afford it.
The new defender is very ugly and I cannot see it dragging a deer off the hill
or towing a Horse box full of sheep to the Newton Abbot market on tuesdays. It
looks more like a trendy mountain biker's accessory.  The fact that these are
being produced makes me like my old 67 all the more, especially as I gun it up
the freeway and overtake the newer stuff which is something I have never been
able to do.
I have a new exhaust system on mine now.  The twin cherry bombs under the doors
are gone and there is a subtle twin pipe system that goes into a single muffler
underneath.  The 5.7 liters are quiet now and I can hear myself think. The
muffler took a few HP off, so now I am down to 275 HP. I think it will not
matter much.  It is never again going to be able to live up to the Corvette
Stingray it came out of anyway.
Well I am at work on a Saturday and was bored so I thought I would write a few
things to you guys.  The Landy is outside and the sun is shining, I might go out
and wax it a bit......Another novelty for land Rover owners!
Kindf regards,
Mark Pilkington

Frank Elson wrote:

> Mark writes: >>>The best places to look once you are in Britain is the
> Enthusiast
> > magazines rather than the internet, because surprisingly, only the
> enlightened
> > few are online back home.  Most Land Rover owners do not have a computer.
> The
> > exception of course is Frank and the others in Blighty.  Of the 6 I
> bought, none
> > were online.<<<
>
> true, up to a point (Lord Cropper)...
> however, we (enthusiasts) don't buy too many here in the Uk from the LR
> magazines (oops, should I say that?) because they are more expensive - the
> mag readers know the values more.
>  We buy from Autotrader Magazine, Loot or Exchange and Mart. These are where
> the 'non-=enthusiasts' sell their Land Rovers.
>  Only problem is that you get a standard vehicle so if you want extras look
> in the LR mags.
>  And while most owners aren't on-line the mags mentioned are (Loot not a mag
> but a free ads newspaper):
>
> www.exchangeandmart.co.uk
> www.loot.com
> www.autotrader.co.uk
>
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:18:29 -0800
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Overdrive
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What weight oil do you all recommend for the standard Fairey overdrive unit.
None of my books mention this and the little bugger needs a top-off.

Thanks - I appreciate your help.

Brian

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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:24:59 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Importing to US?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have now imported 8 Land Rovers in total. I sold a few straight away and did
not register them.  The new owners did.  It is easy, BUT each DMV has it's own
rules and they seem to make them up as they go along.  Be concerned if they get
the hand book out and flick through to the "importing a forign vehicle" page.
It has been as simple as walking in with the English V5 (registration document)
and a bill of sale either made up 10 minutes earlier or a real one from the
seller in Blighty. A walk around the subject Landy with me pointing out where
the VIN Number is.  Back into the office and a few bucks and it's done. It has
also been difficult in the same office. Once I was asked for a complete signed
chain of ownership from the last three British owners and a Police officer's
inspection/verifiication of the VIN.  What a farce that was. Same office two
different people.  The bottom line is this.
1)Find the vehicle anywhere you like.  Make sure it is a pre 76 for all states
except CA and a pre 74 for CA and older than 15 years for Canada (I have not
done Canada)
2)Drive/drag it to Southampton and leave it with a shipper
3)Meet it at the arrival docks and pay a total of $1500 for everything
4)Drive/drag it home
5)Take it to the DMV with the Bill of sale and the British V5 Reg Document
6)Bolt new plate to the back and drive off.
There is no black and white way of doing it, you deal with each obstacle as you
get to it and you will get it in, in the end.
No smog/emissions are needed as long as you keep to the years that you can
import.
If you need specific details e-mal me direct.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Richard Joltes wrote:

> Most states don't seem to care about emissions for older cars like these.
> I've found that some will actually perform a test (ha! I could see the soot
> clogging the reader pipe!) but don't do a pass/fail on the car--they just
> want to gather statistics to see how the older cars pollute.  Others do a
> safety check and that's it.  Smudger's after-market air horn caused quite
> a stir in the garage when the tech set it off (the owner had his head under
> the bonnet at the time...).
>
> What I would do is contact your local vehicle registration centre and ask
> what the criteria are for the car you're thinking of buying.  Ask about the
> emissions standards, sales tax rubbish, and so forth since it seems that a
> lot of the states simply want to extract cash from people for any arbitrary
> reason (reminds me of the taxman in the "Popeye" movie).
>
> Also ask about 'classic' plates in your state.  In some cases you may want
> to get regular-style ones if the state regs regarding classic/antique
> prohibit
> driving >NN miles/week, after dark, or what have you.  (Pennsylvania,
> for example, has some reg stating that a 'classic' car can't be used as a
> daily driver -- only once/week; Massachusetts prohibits driving a classic-
> reg. car after dark).
>
> As for finding cars in the UK, "Loot" is how I found Smudger.  As Frank
> noted, you can find a lot of good stuff for cheap in that and other
> classified-
> advert mags.  I very nearly scored a new/old hardtop just before I moved
> back to USA, but simply didn't have time to go pick it up <sob!>.  That
> reminds me, I still have to go to Nate's soon...
>
> dj
> 1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"
>
> Alan J. Richer wrote:
>
> >Nope - 25 years is the criteria if you have a look at
> >the paperwork (and you're not importing to the PRC).
> >
> >Registration is another issue and hinges on emissions
> >and the like - but that can be determined in advance.
> >
> >DJ not long ago brought in his early 70s Lightweight
> >with no problems, so methinks whoever is telling you
> >things about the specifications is playing armchair
> >expert....
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Message: 18
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:41:24 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Overdrive
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/8/2001 1:13:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< What weight oil do you all recommend for the standard Fairey overdrive 
unit.
 None of my books mention this and the little bugger needs a top-off. >>

Personally, I use 85W140 with Hi-Tach added.  If I lived further North (say 
in upstate NY), I'd use 75W90 with Hi-Tach.

Nate

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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:42:06 -0800
From: Paul Quin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I get a 504 error when trying to reach this site.  

Is the site down this morning??

Regards,

Paul in Victoria

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <[email-masked]>

> If you haven't seen the auction site yet, check it out.
> www.maritimerovers.org

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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:54:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Overdrive
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
CC: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks for the rapid response - I have 80W90 in abundance around the house -
you think that would work?

Brian

On 12/8/01 10:41 AM, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 12/8/2001 1:13:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
> << What weight oil do you all recommend for the standard Fairey overdrive
> unit.
> None of my books mention this and the little bugger needs a top-off. >>
> 
> Personally, I use 85W140 with Hi-Tach added.  If I lived further North (say
> in upstate NY), I'd use 75W90 with Hi-Tach.
> 
> Nate
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Message: 21
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:53:10 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Overdrive
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 12/8/2001 1:48:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< Thanks for the rapid response - I have 80W90 in abundance around the house 
-
 you think that would work?

Yup.  BTW, the Hi-Tach is really important for a OD.  Tends to keep the oil 
on the gears and bearings--I believe (without scientific proof) that it will 
lengthen the life of the unit and keeps the unit much quieter (this part is 
with personal experience)

Nate

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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:04:02 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yup - looks like they need to reboot their server - it isn't even responding
to direct pings.  Maybe they are moving the site or had a bad crash.

Ciao!

Brian

On 12/8/01 10:42 AM, "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> I get a 504 error when trying to reach this site.
> 
> Is the site down this morning??
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul in Victoria
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <[email-masked]>
> 
>> If you haven't seen the auction site yet, check it out.
>> www.maritimerovers.org
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> 

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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:07:53 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Overdrive
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Oh - good to know.  I guess I will be heading to the auto store after all -
which is never really a bad thing.  ;o)

Thanks!

Brian

On 12/8/01 10:53 AM, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 12/8/2001 1:48:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
> << Thanks for the rapid response - I have 80W90 in abundance around the house
> -
> you think that would work?
>>> 
> 
> Yup.  BTW, the Hi-Tach is really important for a OD.  Tends to keep the oil
> on the gears and bearings--I believe (without scientific proof) that it will
> lengthen the life of the unit and keeps the unit much quieter (this part is
> with personal experience)
> 
> Nate
> _______________________________________________
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> [email-masked]
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> 

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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:11:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Importing to US?
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Mark writes: >>>The best places to look once you are
> in Britain is the
> Enthusiast
> > magazines rather than the internet

Sorry - I have to strongly disagree here.

My 58 88 came from preloved.co.uk - a used-car Web
rag.

I did all my negotiations with the owner over email
(thereby giving myself a nice paper trail, got a local
to inspect it (thanks for the help, guys!) and
generally handled it all over my PC.

I didn't have any problems with the approach - you
won't find the back-of-barn specials that way, but
don't discount the medium.

There is a lot more market penetration there than
you'd think.

             ajr

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Message: 25
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:28:40 -0500
Subject: [lro] what battery to buy for a IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello,

Thank you for all the great advice on dealing with my Lucas battle. It seems
as though all is well and peaceful with lucas and i need a new battery. My
rover came with an interstate megatron battery. What is a good replacement? I
drive it daily and live in CT. Are the optima's really that good? I don't know
of a local place to get them and would like to have the mothership on the road
ASAP. What should i be looking for? What is everyone running with?

Thank y'all again
chill willGet more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download :
http://explorer.msn.com

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Message: 26
From: "Rolston" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] what battery to buy for a IIA
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:49:33 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Connecticut here too....where in CT?  I woudl go to NAPA or Sears and get
the biggest conventional battery you can fit in there.  Jim

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Message: 27
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'Peter & Julie Rosvall '" <[email-masked]>,
  "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:07:18 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 The Grimsby/Lockport connection could also be used as a staging post for
some of the smaller items. I can't ship a whole 88 but models tee shirts etc
are OK. Maybe Bill would even refurbish the transmission for a nominal fee
as it passes through. We may not be as fast as UPS, but we are reliable and
our brokerage charges are much much lower. Contact off list if you need
shipping performed after Christmas.

Trevor Easton 

So get out there and bid
http://maritimerovers.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/auctionweaver.pl

The Rosvalls wrote:-

Just took a peek at the auction site to see how things are going.  Looks
great, there is a used Series transmission that seems to be quite
popular,
as well as several die-cast Land Rovers and of course the John/Muddy
t-shirts.

Anyone south of the border should keep in mind that all bids are in
Canadian
dollars, so your money goes a lot further.  Also, if you are concerned
about
shipping, and live in the Northeastern US, you may be able to find
someone
willing to cart your purchase across the border, many Maritimers head
Downeast during the year, and just as many New Englanders/New Yorkers
head
up this way.  Or of course you could always visit Nova Scotia, an option
I
would highly recommend.

If you haven't seen the auction site yet, check it out.
www.maritimerovers.org

Julie Rosvall
Wolfville, NS
72' Series III  88
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Message: 28
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:41:04 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just put my Land Rover Restoration pictures on Yahoo and it worked.  Have a
look if you like.
Click here
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/landiman2001/slideshow?&.dir=/1967+Land+Rover+Restoration&.src=ph&.view=t

kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 29
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 67 Land Rover V8 Restoration Pictures
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:25:10 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

ahhh, I love that color Mark.
One of my 1:24 Monogram S-iii 88's I panted in it.
Would love to see some details of the engine compartment.
How did you handle the steering?
Pete
>
> I just put my Land Rover Restoration pictures on Yahoo and it worked.
Have a
> look if you like.
> Click here
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/landiman2001/slideshow?&.dir=/1967+Land+Rover+Res
toration&.src=ph&.view=t
> kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington

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Message: 30
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:14:54 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It is back up this evening.
John

Paul Quin wrote:
> 
> I get a 504 error when trying to reach this site.
> 
> Is the site down this morning??
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul in Victoria
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <[email-masked]>
> 
> > If you haven't seen the auction site yet, check it out.
> > www.maritimerovers.org
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Message: 31
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] RE:John Cranfield Charity Auction
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:07:12 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://maritimerovers.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/auctionweaver.pl?flag1=1&catdir=c
at9&fromfile=1008965508%2Edat

Will find you a Digital camera for just $5. Come on lets see some bids here.

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Message: 32
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 22:11:50 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Carmicheal Van on ebay?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Also, what the heck does "needs restoration" mean?

I think it means it's a Land Rover :)

Keith
------------
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    http://keith.miata.net
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Message: 33
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 01:44:44 -0500
From: Richard Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] what battery to buy for a IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, I wouldn't touch a Sears battery with a 10-foot cattle 
prod--there's a reason
they used the name "Die Hard."  That's usually what they do, in the 
worst possible
place and time.  I've seen 36- and 48-month models pack up in a year or 
slightly
more.

Not sure about the Optimas, but Interstate and several other companies 
seem to be
manufacturing decent ones these days.

dj

Rolston wrote:

>Connecticut here too....where in CT?  I woudl go to NAPA or Sears and get
>the biggest conventional battery you can fit in there.  Jim
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Message: 34
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:58:57 -0800 (PST)
From: brian girasoli <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] what battery to buy for a IIA
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Make that three Connecticut types (I'm in Norwich).
Anyway, last Sunday I bought a new battery for my '67
88. I got it at Parts America - it was the last one in
stock, too. One thing that you may (I dunno if this is
true or not...this is what the Parts America types
said) run into a problem with is that apparently the
majority of batteries that would fit our vehicles have
the positive and negative switched...meaning that you
would really have to stretch the cables to fit. Mine
had the + and - in the right places, so hopefully you
can find one. Anyhow, check out Parts America, I had
good success there and for a good quality battery, it
was pretty cheap too!

-brian

--- Rolston <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Connecticut here too....where in CT?  I woudl go to
> NAPA or Sears and get
> the biggest conventional battery you can fit in
> there.  Jim
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