Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #179 - 37 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Phil Norris)
   2. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Bill Adams)
   3. RE: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Easton Trevor A)
   4. RE: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Easton Trevor A)
   5. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (John Cranfield)
   6. Electical problems IIA (chill will)
   7. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Rob MacCormick)
   8. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Par Leijonhufvud)
   9. Wiper motor question (John Trotter)
  10. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Alan J. Richer)
  11. Re: Electical problems IIA (John Cranfield)
  12. Re: Electical problems IIA (Rob MacCormick)
  13. Tyres (Par Leijonhufvud)
  14. Re: Electical problems IIA (Edit 2)
  15. Re: Electical problems IIA (Dick Joltes)
  16. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Alan J. Richer)
  17. Re: Wiper motor question (Alan J. Richer)
  18. RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer (Easton Trevor A)
  19. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Mark Pilkington)
  20. Re: RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer (Alan J. Richer)
  21. RE: RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer (Easton Trevor A)
  22. Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #177 - 55 msgs (aaron)
  23. Re: Pink Panther (Faure, Marin)
  24. Re: end of LandRover Parts ([email-masked])
  25. parts help - Peter (Simon J. Harding)
  26. Re: RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer (Frank Elson)
  27. Parts (William L Leacock)
  28. Rain.... (Brian Horner)
  29. Recreational GPS (Carl Kinkade)
  30. Re: Rain.... (Mark Pilkington)
  31. Re: Recreational GPS (Brian Horner)
  32. Re: Rain.... (Brian Horner)
  33. Losing money (was Alert-Stockpile Parts...) (Faure, Marin)
  34. Re: US promised as number one priority market (Faure, Marin)
  35. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (Jim Hall)
  36. Re: Re: US promised as number one priority market (Jim Hall)
  37. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (David Scheidt)

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Message: 1
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:05:17 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

We use "squirreling away" over here to illustrate stockpiling, same
metaphor, different rodent?  Funny how these things travel...
Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 05 December 2001 22:20
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW

<SNIP>
>The way we folks hamster (a danish expression I believe) spare parts,
>donor parts, broken parts, incorrectly ordered parts, and surplus spares
>will tide us well in the years to come.

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:45:37 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There are tons of cars out there that they don't make parts for anymore
and somehow they still keep going. Studebaker, Kaiser, Willys, Hudson,
etc.
See, what happens is that once the parts become NLA, cottage industries
emerge that reproduce, refurbish or remanufacture. Land Rover certainly
has enough worldwide presence to generate opportunities for enterprising
folk to take advantage of. 
I wouldn't start making plans for that addition just yet. 
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 3
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:08:49 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Frank, I totally agree with you, but I am having a little trouble finding
a
> right side traffickator for my 1923 Bugatti Royale.  No-one seem to have
> one....:-)
 Mark, I think I have one for a '22 somewhere in the back of the garage.
Yours for $923.72 (Canadian of course)
Is this the same part?

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Message: 4
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:11:05 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As long as there are enthusiasts willing to spend a few hours crawling
round scrapyards, farmyards and other automotive graveyards scrounging
parts from donors which they could probably resore if their wives would
let them, there will be parts for sale. I cant speak of the UK
situation, but I know at least one dealer over here who splits every
wreck he can get his hands on and stores everything which is usefull and
a lot more besides - and as the demand for parts falls because less
people drive a series - then the number of us sharing the available
parts also falls - so status quo is maintained.

If Jeremy Bartlett of the Series II Club is included in the list there's at
least another 50 years of spares for LR, MG amd Morris Minor available

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:02:53 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter,I can only assume you didn't try the url I suggested.
John

Peter & Julie Rosvall wrote:
> 
> > Mark, the main problem is that the trafficators were an optional extra
> > in '23 and were never an item on the dealers normal parts stock list.
> > How ever if you visit the <[email-masked]>
> > you may find some one to help you.
> > John and Muddy
> >
> 
> Even when I think I know you fairly well John, you still can pull something
> out of your hat to amaze me.....
> 
> Peter Rosvall
> Wolfville, Nova Scotia
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Message: 6
From: "chill will" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:59:44 -0500
Subject: [lro] Electical problems IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am preparing for a battle to the death this weekend against Lucas. Last 
week my engine started missing on high revs,
then panel lights started dimming , missed at low revs, then it quit. It 
wouldn't even crank start. Hours later i cranked it the first try and made 
it home. I got it started again, but the turn sigals wouldn't work, after 
trying the hazards, the turn signal
did work. I can get it started, it'll run fine arounf the block and then it 
starts missing and all the electrics get screwy. The
grounds off the battery are fine. The battery was showing a full charge, 
although now it down to 9V after trying lights and
stuff with it off. I am not sure where to start, the manuals are failing me 
here. Any step by step approaches or advice would
be greatly appreciated. This is and has been my daily driver, worktruck, 
funtruck for the last two years and I need it back
on the road.

I have a voltage tester and full tools, but very little eclectical 
experience.  I swiched in a spare voltage reg. that i was told
was good, but it was no help. I have wanted to upgrade to the delco alt. so 
maybe i'll just go ahead abd do that if i am going
to be pulling the generator to have it tested.

thanks again in advance,
rove on
chill will

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:12:48 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> The parts pile is the size of the damn truck.....8*)

It's true I've seen it.....But Alan? Did you go and get an 18 wheeler
when noone was looking???
Rob M
Surely Your stash is larger than Mr.C or the rangie

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:13:20 +0100
From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

John Cranfield <[email-masked]> [2001.12.06] wrote:
> 
> Peter,I can only assume you didn't try the url I suggested.
> > > How ever if you visit the <[email-masked]>

================================
% whois wotalodabollix.com

Your query was parsed down to the ".com" TLD and no data was
found at the authoritative whois server.  The domain you 
checked may not exist.
================================

/Par
 not really surprised, but is tempted to obtain a "vanity" domain

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Par Leijonhufvud                                      [email-masked]
Slavin's rule of clutter: Space cleared on chairs immediately
becomes occupied by cats.

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Message: 9
From: "John Trotter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:14:21 -0500
Subject: [lro] Wiper motor question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have been lurking for some time, but recently bought a IIa 88" which runs,
but has the usual list of things that could be improved.

One of these is the wiper motor which has a great deal of backlash in the
output shaft (it has the two separate motors).  I took it apart and found
that there was a brass cylinder on the output shaft with a step in it that
located with a similar cylinder on the output gear.  This step had warn away
quite a bit causing the backlash problem.

Any suggestions on how I might fix this problem, perhaps by adding some
material to the cylinder or by recutting the step?

Thanks,
John

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 06:14:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Bill Adams <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> There are tons of cars out there that they don't
> make parts for anymore
> and somehow they still keep going. Studebaker,
> Kaiser, Willys, Hudson,
> etc.

MG, Wolesley, Austin-Healey,AC......

Relax, folks. You are not going to go w/o tune-up
parts, especially considering British parts-bin
engineering and commonality.

Oddities that are Rover only can still most likely be
refurbished - and some parts have gone that way
already (Series II rod bearings, Series II water pumps
and the like).

And as far as cylinder heads go, I think I could
supply half the US market just from the pile of them I
have in the garage...8*)

  aj"Amazed the garage doesn't sink from the weight!"r

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:24:23 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Electical problems IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

All your electrical problems are from the 9volt reading.
Three things can be the cause of this.
1. your battery is dead and not able to take a charge.
Check this by measuring the voltage with the engine at a fast idle and
also with the engine off. If the voltage is 12+ with the engine running
and 9 with it off the battery is the problem.
2. The vehicle is not charging. In the test above the voltage will be
the same on each check.
3. you have a short circuit in the system that is draining the battery.
Install a good battery and see if the problems start right away.  Also
note if the amp meter is showing a full charge after about 15 mins of
driving. If it doesn't drop back to about 5amps with a good battery you
have a short that needs to be fixed before the smoke starts to roll.
John and Muddy

chill will wrote:
> 
> I am preparing for a battle to the death this weekend against Lucas. Last
> week my engine started missing on high revs,
> then panel lights started dimming , missed at low revs, then it quit. It
> wouldn't even crank start. Hours later i cranked it the first try and made
> it home. I got it started again, but the turn sigals wouldn't work, after
> trying the hazards, the turn signal
> did work. I can get it started, it'll run fine arounf the block and then it
> starts missing and all the electrics get screwy. The
> grounds off the battery are fine. The battery was showing a full charge,
> although now it down to 9V after trying lights and
> stuff with it off. I am not sure where to start, the manuals are failing me
> here. Any step by step approaches or advice would
> be greatly appreciated. This is and has been my daily driver, worktruck,
> funtruck for the last two years and I need it back
> on the road.
> 
> I have a voltage tester and full tools, but very little eclectical
> experience.  I swiched in a spare voltage reg. that i was told
> was good, but it was no help. I have wanted to upgrade to the delco alt. so
> maybe i'll just go ahead abd do that if i am going
> to be pulling the generator to have it tested.
> 
> thanks again in advance,
> rove on
> chill will
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:19:35 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Electical problems IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

chill will wrote:

> I am preparing for a battle to the death this weekend against Lucas.

It was nice knowing you........Just kidding. Good luck!

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:35:23 +0100
From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Tyres
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone who knows the ins and outs of tyres? 

In June I bought a set of new tyres. They are Taiwanese (Nankang) M+S.
When I had a flat the other day the guys in the tyre shop commented that
they were quite old. No, brand new I claimed. We looked at the DOT
number: OC24125005. If I understand the codes correctly these tyres were
made in 1985!

Comments? Advice? 

My first impulse is to ditch them -- back to the seller for a refund if
at all possible -- and get something else. One of the local Land Rover
parts stores is running a special on Hakka winter tyres on new (black
steel) wheels... Tempting, since there is some rust on the current wheels
(including on the inside on the one with the flat).

/Par

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:41:59 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Electical problems IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There is a simple way to see if something is draining your battery.

Undo the positive terminal (presuming that your truck is -ve earth) and
insert a small 12 volt (sidelight or indicator) lamp in series with the
positive cable and the battery positive terminal.

Don't turn on a big load like the starter motor or pre-heaters, as this
will draw a lot of current and blow the test lamp.

If everything is turned off and nothing is shorted to earth, the test
lamp should not light up

If the test lamp lights up, then it is getting it's getting its earth
through a device on the positive circuit which is shorted to earth. Use
process of elimination (disconnecting or removing fuses) to find out
what when disconnected makes the test light go out - then you have found
your fault.

This is a neat trick when rewiring a land rover and connecting power for
the first time. If the looms when connected don't light the test lamp,
they wont fry when connected without the test lamp. If the lamp lights,
the chances are that the loom will fry without the lamp, so find the
problem first...

Good luck!

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:55:01 -0500
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Electical problems IIA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

chill will wrote:
> 
> I am preparing for a battle to the death this weekend against Lucas. Last
> week my engine started missing on high revs,
> then panel lights started dimming , missed at low revs, then it quit. It
> wouldn't even crank start. Hours later i cranked it the first try and made
> it home. I got it started again, but the turn sigals wouldn't work, after
> trying the hazards, the turn signal
> did work. I can get it started, it'll run fine arounf the block and then it
> starts missing and all the electrics get screwy. The
> grounds off the battery are fine. The battery was showing a full charge,
> although now it down to 9V after trying lights and
> stuff with it off. I am not sure where to start, the manuals are failing me
> here. Any step by step approaches or advice would
> be greatly appreciated. This is and has been my daily driver, worktruck,
> funtruck for the last two years and I need it back
> on the road.

This almost sounds like a simple battery issue; when I first bought
Smudger in London he had similar symptoms--non-functional directionals,
very low idle, hard to keep running, flickering lights.

I had the battery tested and it had a dead cell--this put a load
on the alternator and generally hosed the whole system.  As soon
as we changed it, the problems disappeared.

You may want to have the battery tested under load.  Just putting
a voltage tester across it won't tell you much.

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:00:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> It's true I've seen it.....But Alan? Did you go and
> get an 18 wheeler
> when noone was looking???
> Rob M
> Surely Your stash is larger than Mr.C or the rangie

That's not counting the packaging....and figure all
the trucks put together....8*)

       aj"so many toys, so little time..."r

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:07:29 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Wiper motor question
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- John Trotter <[email-masked]> wrote:

> One of these is the wiper motor which has a great
> deal of backlash in the
> output shaft (it has the two separate motors).  I
> took it apart and found
> that there was a brass cylinder on the output shaft
> with a step in it that
> located with a similar cylinder on the output gear. 
> This step had warn away
> quite a bit causing the backlash problem.

John, having overhauled far, far, far too many of
these motors I can make a suggestion. File this one
under sneaky cheap bugger tricks...

Look at the actual wiper shaft - you'll notice that it
has a metal bit on it, cut away to accept the gear
tube on one side and the handle on the other.

If you look at that metal bit you'll notice it's
symmetrical - the notch on the worn side is the same
notch as is on the handle side.

It's this half of the equation that has worn - the
gear tube is usually not too bad.

Knock out the taper pin that's holding that bit on the
shaft, slide/tap it off and put it back on the other
way around. Problem solved. The handle won't
particularly care about the worn bit as the bearing
surfaces are different - and the new side will last a
long, long time.

This is a trick I used before I got a milling
attachment for my Myford and started just making new
ones for the wiper motors I've overhauled.

If the pin is being a real PITA (they sometimes are)
don't be afraid to drill it out and replace it with a
spring pin from the hardware store - augmeted with a
little Loctite.

Or send it to me and I'll overhaul it for
you......<grin>.....

      AJR

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Message: 18
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:22:56 -0500 
Subject: [lro] RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer
Reply-To: [email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan J. Richer [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:07 AM
To: [email-masked]
S

Or send it to me and I'll overhaul it for
you......<grin>.....

      AJR

OK So what's the address to send parts for overhaul?  {bigger grin}

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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:37:03 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks Trevor,
    But I have read on [email-masked] that the '22 has a different
solenoid actuator to the'23.  Some have made it work, but I am not up that sort
of chassis modification!!! ;-)

Easton Trevor A wrote:

> > Frank, I totally agree with you, but I am having a little trouble finding
> a
> > right side traffickator for my 1923 Bugatti Royale.  No-one seem to have
> > one....:-)
>  Mark, I think I have one for a '22 somewhere in the back of the garage.
> Yours for $923.72 (Canadian of course)
> Is this the same part?
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:05:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> OK So what's the address to send parts for overhaul?
>  {bigger grin}
> 

Actually, i do a bit of side work overhauling Lucas
bits. I wasn't serious there as he really doesn't need
me to do it, but if you're serious catch me offline...

  aj"and wiper motors are my least favorite...."r

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Message: 21
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:31:09 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I wasn't serious there as he really doesn't need
me to do it, but if you're serious catch me offline...

Me , serious? Get real.

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:48:59 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: aaron <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #177 - 55 msgs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

LROI,
How much does he charge for the brackets?
Thanks,
Aaron

Thanks for all the answers.  We called Steve and the parts should be
on their way.

Regards,

Brendan
68 Series 2a 109 sw

Message: 15
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:55:54 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Alternator plan
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Call Steve Johnson at Dixie Land Rovers in Tifton, GA.  He has a set 
of brackets that are designed to fit the AC Delco unit everyone 
switches to.  I bought a set for my IIa that I sold to Jeff Bieler 
out in CA.  Steve's number is:

229-386-8498

Ron Ward

>>>  [email-masked] 12/04/01 12:42AM >>>

So what is the best deal out there for someone who has neither the
knowledge nor facilities to fabricate the necessary brackets to
convert to an alternator.  Right now I am done with the mucking about
and just want an answer that is straight forward.  I have been
dorking around with the delicate Lucas electrics all freaking summer
and I am not about to continue that line of insanity.

I read that DAP has a package.  Looking at some relics in the yard of
a nearby widow, whose husband collected rovers I see the brackets
that look like they would fit my DELCO alternator.  RoversNorth wants
to sell me a bunch of things from the Series III era.  While I would
like to save money, the necessity of retaining sanity is worth some
money, spend it on the alternator save it on the shrink. Do I need
the brackets?  Do I need the full package deal?  I only know that i
would prefer not to cut the metal myself at this point, a clean
victory would be beneficial for morale.

So for anyone whom might want to contribute,  in the ownership of a
1968 Land Rover 109" Stationwagon I stand resolute and hopeful that I
might be able to drive it without the insane trials of Lucas.  I know
it is overdone but I hope to hear some positive alternatives to the
standard.  All i want is a place somewhere, my rover may run without
an electric care...etc.  Yes it has all the original shenanigans. I
hope for more. Just brackets and a DELCO for instance?

Regards,

B

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Message: 23
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:14:19 -0800 
Subject: [lro] Re: Pink Panther
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Pink Panther
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:10:44 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Pete - since you're out on the Olympic Peninsula, I would guess you are not
more than a hour + from British NW Land Rover.  But be warned, Charles do
not have the best reputation.  There are a number of Roverphiles here in the
Northwestern US and 99% buy from RN and BP (generally speaking) even though
Charles has just about everything a Series owner could want - and more - but
there are reasons we take our money elsewhere.

The only comment I've heard about British NW Land Rover is that while the
work 
done by the shop is excellent and of very high quality, the prices of the
work and of 
the parts used in the work are extremely high.  I had people tell me that
$20,000 for a 
fully restored Series was not uncommon, and this was back in the early
1980s.  I have 
never bought anything from that company, so I don't know how complete their
parts 
inventory is.  But I was led to believe that their parts prices were far
higher than what one is 
used to paying at Rovers North, Atlantic British, etc.

I can only assume the company has a steady stream of satisfied customers,
however, as 
the company has been in operation for over twenty years.  You can't do that
with an 
unhappy or non-existent customer base.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 24
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:33:37 +1000
Subject: [lro] Re: end of LandRover Parts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

here in Australia LandRover made and supplied an Isuzu powered Stage 1 Landy in
the early'80s, the engine carried over into the 110, but the number of stage 1s
was fairly small.  A special part was the 'squared off' front spring U bolt,
made longer than the V8 version because of the thicker front spring pack.  This
was NLA from Rover by the end of the 80s and because there were relatively few
of the model and they were a great leaf sprung vehicle they were NEVER in the
wreckers (there are still a few around on the roads today).  There was no after
market supply because of the relatively low volume - the only advice I could get
was 'try and find someting that was about right, heat it up and square it off' -
the rounded ones (the other 3 on the front axle) were available due to the
higher volume (3 times).  I sold the vehicle before I needed another one,
already had a spare - but I don't know what owners are doing now

Richard C
130 Crew cab
LWB LSE
80" Ser1

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Message: 25
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:25:37 -0800
Subject: [lro] parts help - Peter
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter:  call Ray or Chris at Wise Owl .  He can provide you the back plate
and needle bearing and paper gasket.  Sold me the same for 35-plus or minus
a year or two ago.  he can also help on the hubs, I'll bet.

Simon

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Message: 26
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: [lro]Overhaul Offer
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 00:12:01 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

AJR wrote: >>>Actually, i do a bit of side work overhauling Lucas
> bits<<<

and Kenlowe bits... in fields... in Yorkshire, England...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 27
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:00:38 -0500
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Parts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Frank, I totally agree with you, but I am having a little trouble
finding a
right side traffickator for my 1923 Bugatti Royale.  No-one seem to have
one....:-)
 
There are three in the National Musee d la Automobile in Mulhouse.
France, just take your scredriver!

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:21:15 -0800
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Rain....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Howdy All.

Looks like the rain flooded the rear window tracks and spilled into the rear
of my Series III during the recent storms here in Northern Cal.  It wasn't
too bad maybe a half gallon or so.  Just curious, is this normal?  Do most
of you get the same leakage in the same spot?

Thanks

Brian

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Message: 29
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO" <[email-masked]>, "RRO" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:19:51 -0600
Subject: [lro] Recreational GPS
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am looking at getting a recreational GPS.  Does anyone have any
suggestions on the type and model?  I have used sub-meter accurate Trimble
units for work and bringing the data into GIS, but I want something for play
now, any suggestions?

Carl Kinkade, MCRP
ESRI Authorized Instructor
Kinkade GIS
Using GIS for Public Health and Community Analysis
3420 S. 31st St
Lincoln, NE 68502
work (402) 420-6882
fax (402) 420-6882
[email-masked]

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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:36:10 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Rain....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Brain,
    It should drain out under the window tracks and run out the little drain
pipes under the windows.  There is a gutter in there.  Yours might be blocked.
Poke around the very ends of your rails and gently lever them away from the
inside edge and you can get a thick bit of wire or something down there to run
up and down.  You should be able to slide the wire about 3 inches, then there
will be a 2 inch obstruction, then almost to the middle and another obstruction
for 2 inches.  The obstructions are the support for the window tracks.  Also
poke up into the drain holes with a pipecleaner or similar, they might have crap
in there too.
The window tracks might have been full of water leading you to believe that the
leak came from there.  They leak from everywhere so you might want to get in the
back while someone sprays the whole thing with a hose so you can see it in
action.  I have to admit, that if I did this with mine I'd get soaked, and I
have a hardtop on with closed windows!!
Kind regards,
Mark

Brian Horner wrote:

> Howdy All.
>
> Looks like the rain flooded the rear window tracks and spilled into the rear
> of my Series III during the recent storms here in Northern Cal.  It wasn't
> too bad maybe a half gallon or so.  Just curious, is this normal?  Do most
> of you get the same leakage in the same spot?
>
> Thanks
>
> Brian
>
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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:35:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Recreational GPS
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hey Carl,

Saw some GPS units for sale on Ubid this morning.  I don't know if they are
any good or not but if you find out the names of some good units - I would
check here - they appear to be fairly inexpensive.

http://www.ubid.com/cat/get_cat_page.asp?CatID=3103&PgNum=1

I dunno, just thought I would toss it out there.

Brian

On 12/6/01 4:19 PM, "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I am looking at getting a recreational GPS.  Does anyone have any
> suggestions on the type and model?  I have used sub-meter accurate Trimble
> units for work and bringing the data into GIS, but I want something for play
> now, any suggestions?
> 
> Carl Kinkade, MCRP

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Message: 32
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:42:22 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Rain....
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yeah, I have a hard -top as well and I thought I had it pretty well sealed
for rain.  I guess I was not  as thorough as I thought!  Thank you so much
for the advise - I will check out the drains when I get home tonight.

Have a nice day!

Brian

On 12/6/01 4:36 PM, "Mark Pilkington" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> Brain,
>   It should drain out under the window tracks and run out the little drain
> pipes under the windows.  There is a gutter in there.  Yours might be blocked.
> Poke around the very ends of your rails and gently lever them away from the
> inside edge and you can get a thick bit of wire or something down there to run
> up and down.  You should be able to slide the wire about 3 inches, then there
> will be a 2 inch obstruction, then almost to the middle and another
> obstruction
> for 2 inches.  The obstructions are the support for the window tracks.  Also
> poke up into the drain holes with a pipecleaner or similar, they might have
> crap
> in there too.
> The window tracks might have been full of water leading you to believe that
> the
> leak came from there.  They leak from everywhere so you might want to get in
> the
> back while someone sprays the whole thing with a hose so you can see it in
> action.  I have to admit, that if I did this with mine I'd get soaked, and I
> have a hardtop on with closed windows!!
> Kind regards,
> Mark
> 
> Brian Horner wrote:
> 
>> Howdy All.
>> 
>> Looks like the rain flooded the rear window tracks and spilled into the rear
>> of my Series III during the recent storms here in Northern Cal.  It wasn't
>> too bad maybe a half gallon or so.  Just curious, is this normal?  Do most
>> of you get the same leakage in the same spot?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> ------------------------
>> http://www.roverme.org
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Message: 33
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:07:20 -0800 
Subject: [lro] Losing money (was Alert-Stockpile Parts...)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:53:12 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I think a lot of Fords decisions are based on the fact that they are
loosing
so much money right now.  I heard this morning that the forth quarter
results for them will be a disaster and that they are looking to cut
divisions, factories and, of course, jobs upon its forth quarter
announcement.  The sale of Rover couldn't have come at a worse time.

Almost all the car companies are really hurting right now.  One of the
reasons 
is that in their race to increase market share, a lot of 
companies merged with or bought other companies.  
Ford bought Volvo and Land Rover and Aston Martin, 
Daimler bought Chrysler, and so forth.  In many cases, 
the companies that were purchased were not doing all that well, 
particularly the niche market brands like Volvo, Land Rover, 
etc.  So now comes a general worldwide economic downturn, 
and suddenly the majors not only have their own problems to 
contend with, but they have to pour all kinds of money into 
the companies they just bought, most of which were on shaky 
ground to start with.

It's sort of like Germany.  Everyone thought combining the two 
Germany's back into one was a great idea, and it probably is 
from a cultural and political aspect.  But Germany is in a world 
of hurt right now because in the midst of the euphoria over tearing 
down the Berlin Wall, no one seemed to be thinking of what it would 
take economically to bring Eastern Germany up to speed.  Now the 
bills are coming in, and Germany is wondering how the hell it's going 
to pay them.

The only two car companies that are 
actually making money and doing well are.... ready for this?
Hyundai and KIA.  Why?  Two reasons, according to the 
report I heard.  One, their cars are actually getting pretty good 
in terms of design and quality.  Two, their models are all at the 
lower end of the price range.  The same report said more and 
more people are electing to hang onto their current vehicles 
instead of going out and buying new ones, despite zero interest 
offers.  And those people who absolutely have to get a new 
car because their old one died or they're new to the job market, 
are not willing to spend the big bucks it takes to buy most of the 
cars and trucks out there today.  So they turn to manufacturers 
like Hyundai and KIA.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 34
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:13:04 -0800 
Subject: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] U.S. promised as "Number one priority market"
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I just read a quote in the Atlantic British Fall/Winter newsletter that
quotes Bob Dover, the Land Rover Chairman, as saying: 3In the future, every
new Land Rover model will be engineered for the U.S. at the very beginning
of its life...let me be clear: the U.S. is our absolute number one priority
market worldwide."

If you haven't already done this, take a look at the website for Land Rover
Owner 
International Magazine.  They have photos and a short description of the new

Range Rover, as well as some concept designs for the new Defender.  If these

vehicles aren't aimed at the US market, nothing is.  The original Land
Rover/Range
Rover concept of a sound utility vehicle that, in the case of the Range
Rover, is 
also nice to go to dinner in, is dead and buried.  The new Range Rover is 
clearly designed to be the ultimate luxo-mall cruiser, and the Defender 
concepts illustrated seem aimed at the generation of people who played 
with Transformers.  The emphasis seems to be totally on image.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 35
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:18:49 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Reply-To: [email-masked]

And the url for LROI is??? Aparently it isn't lroi.com as that one re-
directs you to hustler magazine odly enough.  There are pictures, but
not with rovers.

Faure, Marin wrote:
> 
> From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [lro] U.S. promised as "Number one priority market"
> Reply-To: [email-masked]

> If you haven't already done this, take a look at the website for Land Rover
> Owner
> International Magazine.  They have photos and a short description of the new
> 
> Range Rover, as well as some concept designs for the new Defender.  If these

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 36
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:21:32 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: US promised as number one priority market
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Never mind, I found it. http://www.lromagazine.com/

Faure, Marin wrote:
> 
> From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [lro] U.S. promised as "Number one priority market"
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
> 
> >I just read a quote in the Atlantic British Fall/Winter newsletter that
> quotes Bob Dover, the Land Rover Chairman, as saying: 3In the future, every
> new Land Rover model will be engineered for the U.S. at the very beginning
> of its life...let me be clear: the U.S. is our absolute number one priority
> market worldwide."
> 
> If you haven't already done this, take a look at the website for Land Rover
> Owner
> International Magazine.  They have photos and a short description of the new
> 
> Range Rover, as well as some concept designs for the new Defender.  If these
> 
> vehicles aren't aimed at the US market, nothing is.  The original Land
> Rover/Range
> Rover concept of a sound utility vehicle that, in the case of the Range
> Rover, is
> also nice to go to dinner in, is dead and buried.  The new Range Rover is
> clearly designed to be the ultimate luxo-mall cruiser, and the Defender
> concepts illustrated seem aimed at the generation of people who played
> with Transformers.  The emphasis seems to be totally on image.
> 
> _________________________________________
> C. Marin Faure
> (original owner)
> 1973 Land Rover Series III-88
> 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> Seattle
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 37
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:18:37 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Alan J. Richer wrote:

> Relax, folks. You are not going to go w/o tune-up
> parts, especially considering British parts-bin
> engineering and commonality.

What fraction of the parts supply are aactually made by rover, as opposed to
just sold by them?  i was under the impression that they were buying almost
everything from outside suppliers these days.  If that's the case, the
suppliers already own the tooling, and theres very little cost to keep
producing the parts.

david

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