Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #177 - 55 msgs

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:25:04 -0500 (EST)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Ebay oddity (Phil Norris)
   2. Re: Clutch Hydraulics (G. Mugele)
   3. Re: Fwd: Re: Safety Item (Andy Woodward)
   4. Re: Tailgaters (Andy Woodward)
   5. Re: Tailgaters (Paul Oxley)
   6. RE: Re: Importing to Canada (Easton Trevor A)
   7. Pink Panther (KURT W. KRAUSS)
   8. RE: Tailgaters (Easton Trevor A)
   9. Re: charging and idle speeds (John Cranfield)
  10. Re: Tailgaters (John Cranfield)
  11. Re: Tailgaters (Rob MacCormick)
  12. Re: Tailgaters (Dick Joltes)
  13. Re: Tailgaters (Paul Oxley)
  14. Re: charging and idle speeds (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  15. Re: Alternator plan (RON WARD)
  16. Our club write up (Scott Wickham)
  17. Re: Our club write up (John Cranfield)
  18. Re: Tailgaters (Frank Elson)
  19. Re: Tailgaters (Hope Peter)
  20. ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  21. Re: Alternator plan (Brendan Evans)
  22. Plea for help/parts (Mark Pilkington)
  23. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Hope Peter)
  24. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Edit 2)
  25. It's a goner (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  26. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Alan J. Richer)
  27. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  28. Re: Plea for help/parts (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  29. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  30. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Brian Horner)
  31. U.S. promised as "Number one priority market" (Brian Horner)
  32. Re: Plea for help/parts ([email-masked])
  33. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Neil Brownlee)
  34. Re: Plea for help/parts (Mark Pilkington)
  35. Re: Importing to Canada ([email-masked])
  36. Marine Rover update (Hope Peter)
  37. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  38. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Edit 2)
  39. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW ([email-masked])
  40. Re: Plea for help/parts (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  41. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Brian Horner)
  42. Was stockpile parts now windo locks (Simon J. Harding)
  43. Alternator plan... (george kase)
  44. fluids (Simon J. Harding)
  45. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Frank Elson)
  46. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Mark Pilkington)
  47. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW ([email-masked])
  48. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Edit 2)
  49. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (John Cranfield)
  50. RE: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Peter & Julie Rosvall)
  51. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Jean-Leon Morin)
  52. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Mark Pilkington)
  53. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (russell wilson)
  54. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Keith Tanner)
  55. Re: ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW (Alex Maiolo)

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Message: 1
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Ebay oddity
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:38:18 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've only seen one other photo of a similar machine, taken in the 60s when
it was used as a movie location support truck.  The did make a fair few
fire-engines but few van bodies.....
how rare?
love to know it's history....
PhilN
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 04 December 2001 21:10
Subject: [lro] Ebay oddity

>
>Anyone ever seen anything like this Series IIa?  It is a van conversion it
>has no bids at $3000 and was originally built for the RAF.  Interesting.
>Kind regards,
>Mark Pilkington
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=598799571
&r=0&t=0
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:27:46 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Clutch Hydraulics
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 6:42 PM -0800 2/3/01, Paul Quin wrote:
>I seem to be loosing pressure in my clutch hydraulics.  The recent cold snap
>seems to have agravated the problem.
>
>Pushing the pedal to the floor no longer disengages the clutch.

This might also be a symptom of 90wt on the clutch, especially in the 
cold weather.  If you can manage to free it up, try slipping it a bit 
to get it fairly  hot.  If the clutch behavior improves until it sits 
overnight again, I'd assume that your hydraulics are not the primary 
problem.  I had this situation on my 69 88.

Cheers,
Gerry Mugele    --  ("Peat" '95 D90 SW)

***  They say  "Great Discoveries are made by not following 
instructions."   Does this explain Land Rover assembly line practices?

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Message: 3
From: "Andy Woodward" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:20:18 -0000
Subject: Re: [lro] Fwd: Re: Safety Item
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> What happened?

Well. Something burning at 3000C+ makes  big hole in most 
containers......
 
> > Its hot enough to do large scale welding but be too brutal for small
> > scale stuff. If I remember right, mix 1 part Aluiminium to 3 parts
> > rust by weight, then set it off with either  a kid's sparkler or a
> > few shavings from one of those magnesium block camping firestartes.

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Message: 4
From: "Andy Woodward" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:20:18 -0000
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with
> >plenty of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as
> >tow ball, etc

I always think folk with bullbars are funny. They are screaming out 
to all other road users "I am a crap driver who slams into the back 
of other cars cos I tailgate". A GOOD driver would have the bullbars 
on the back.

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:37:12 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Andy Woodward wrote:
> A GOOD driver would have the bullbars
> on the back.

Good idea! It would cushion the impact of all the bugs slamming into the
back of the Land-Rover ;-{>}

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 6
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Re: Importing to Canada
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:39:07 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a line on some Diesel Range Rovers coming to Canada. Anyone
interested contact me off list.
Estimated prices 12,000 to 15,000 Canadian

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 07:57:12 -0500
From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Pink Panther
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A Pink Panther is still in the Paul Miller (Parsippany) Land Rover
Centre showroom.  I believe that Jim Pappas (who moved from Land Rover
Natick) is the owner.
Kurt Krauss
1973 NAS SIII
2000 Discovery II

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Message: 8
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Tailgaters
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:31:23 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Never mind the "good" drivers. I've done more damage off road, from backing
into hidden objects, trees in blind spots etc, than both on and off road
from the front.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Woodward [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:20 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters

> >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with
> >plenty of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as
> >tow ball, etc

I always think folk with bullbars are funny. They are screaming out 
to all other road users "I am a crap driver who slams into the back 
of other cars cos I tailgate". A GOOD driver would have the bullbars 
on the back.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:03:11 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] charging and idle speeds
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As far as the charging light is concerned you may have a slipping
fanbelt or more seriously worn and sticky brushes in the alternator.
It's normal condition that you describe is correct particularly if the
idle speed is somewhat low.
The second item is showing two situations. First there is a vacuun leak
in the brake booster and second your fuel/air mixture in the carb is too
rich. When there is a vacuum leak you idle speed would normally drop as
the fuel air mixture is weakened but in your case the idle speed goes up
indicating that the extra air of the vacuum leak is bringing the mixture
nearer to correct.
You probably have a new booster in your future.
John and Muddy

"Stude, Herman" wrote:
> 
> Greetings All:
> 
> On my stock 1973 SIII 88 petrol I have two issues that have recently come
> up.  First, the charge light came on today for about a mile of city driving
> then went out.  It usually stays on when I start the motor for a few moments
> then shuts off when I give the motor a little gas.  Should I worry?  Should
> I have the alt tested at a Pep Boys or something?
> 
> Second, when I'm at a stand still idling and I step on the brake the engine
> idle goes up 200 r.p.m or so.  There is also an intermittent clicking sound
> at the brake booster (I guess the valve is going/went bad).  What should I
> do?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Herman Stude
> 1973 SIII 88
> With a newly rebuild rear axle!
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:08:45 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ha, I pulled a quick one on those peskey tailgaters.
I switched from a tailgate to a back door. Ain't it great to have
vehicle where you can do stuff like that.
John and Muddy.

Easton Trevor A wrote:
> 
> Never mind the "good" drivers. I've done more damage off road, from backing
> into hidden objects, trees in blind spots etc, than both on and off road
> from the front.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Woodward [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:20 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
> 
> > >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with
> > >plenty of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as
> > >tow ball, etc
> 
> I always think folk with bullbars are funny. They are screaming out
> to all other road users "I am a crap driver who slams into the back
> of other cars cos I tailgate". A GOOD driver would have the bullbars
> on the back.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:18:32 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Can someone provide the correct part number for the tailgaters? I found the
swivel ball gaiters but thought I'd do all the gaters at once.....

John Cranfield wrote:

> Ha, I pulled a quick one on those peskey tailgaters.
> I switched from a tailgate to a back door. Ain't it great to have
> vehicle where you can do stuff like that.
> John and Muddy.
>
> Easton Trevor A wrote:
> >
> > Never mind the "good" drivers. I've done more damage off road, from backing
> > into hidden objects, trees in blind spots etc, than both on and off road
> > from the front.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Woodward [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:20 AM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
> >
> > > >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with
> > > >plenty of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as
> > > >tow ball, etc
> >
> > I always think folk with bullbars are funny. They are screaming out
> > to all other road users "I am a crap driver who slams into the back
> > of other cars cos I tailgate". A GOOD driver would have the bullbars
> > on the back.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:42:38 -0500
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[...]

> > >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with
> > >plenty of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as
> > >tow ball, etc
> 
> I always think folk with bullbars are funny. They are screaming out
> to all other road users "I am a crap driver who slams into the back
> of other cars cos I tailgate". A GOOD driver would have the bullbars
> on the back.

Recently I decided to add a military tow pintle, painted bright safety 
yellow, to Smudger's butt.  It effectively states "if you rear-end me, 
my car will gut your Honda like a fresh tuna."  So far so good.

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:47:09 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rob MacCormick wrote:
> 
> Can someone provide the correct part number for the tailgaters? I found the
> swivel ball gaiters but thought I'd do all the gaters at once.....

<groan>
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:04:18 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Re: charging and idle speeds
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Stude, Herman" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Second, when I'm at a stand still idling and I step on the brake the engine
>idle goes up 200 r.p.m or so.  There is also an intermittent clicking sound
>at the brake booster (I guess the valve is going/went bad).  What should I
>do?

This is definitely the diaphragm inside the brake servo unit.  The engine
is sucking additional air through the servo, since the throttle plate is
still closed.   Unfortunately, the servo is 'not serviceable' so you'll be
buying a new one in the near future.  Though unlikely, the plastic vacuum
fitting/valve could be cracked but is unavailable separately.

In the mid-1970's, the various part houses used to sell "major" and "minor"
rebuild kits for the servo assembly, but some time around 1980, the 'major'
one that conrtained a replacement diaphragm became NLS.  The servo is now
considered to be a non-serviceable part.  

So I ask, has anyone ever taken one apart?  Looking at my old one (I've
been saving it for an autopsy - another of those 'round tuits' that my
garage is so filled with....) it appears to come apart, if one has a big
enough chain wrench.  Truck service garages routinely overhaul servo
assemblies on big rigs....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	*------------------------------------------------------*

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:55:54 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Alternator plan
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Call Steve Johnson at Dixie Land Rovers in Tifton, GA.  He has a set of brackets that are designed to fit the AC Delco unit everyone switches to.  I bought a set for my IIa that I sold to Jeff Bieler out in CA.  Steve's number is:

229-386-8498

Ron Ward

>>> [email-masked] 12/04/01 12:42AM >>>

So what is the best deal out there for someone who has neither the 
knowledge nor facilities to fabricate the necessary brackets to 
convert to an alternator.  Right now I am done with the mucking about 
and just want an answer that is straight forward.  I have been 
dorking around with the delicate Lucas electrics all freaking summer 
and I am not about to continue that line of insanity. 

I read that DAP has a package.  Looking at some relics in the yard of 
a nearby widow, whose husband collected rovers I see the brackets 
that look like they would fit my DELCO alternator.  RoversNorth wants 
to sell me a bunch of things from the Series III era.  While I would 
like to save money, the necessity of retaining sanity is worth some 
money, spend it on the alternator save it on the shrink. Do I need 
the brackets?  Do I need the full package deal?  I only know that i 
would prefer not to cut the metal myself at this point, a clean 
victory would be beneficial for morale.

So for anyone whom might want to contribute,  in the ownership of a 
1968 Land Rover 109" Stationwagon I stand resolute and hopeful that I 
might be able to drive it without the insane trials of Lucas.  I know 
it is overdone but I hope to hear some positive alternatives to the 
standard.  All i want is a place somewhere, my rover may run without 
an electric care...etc.  Yes it has all the original shenanigans. I 
hope for more. Just brackets and a DELCO for instance?

Regards,

B
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Message: 16
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:49:42 -0500
Subject: [lro] Our club write up
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  If anyone comes across a copy of the Dec. issue of LRE, page 153 has a
small write up of our local club, Fort Pitt Land Rover Group.

Scott Wickham Jr.
Pgh., Pa.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
'72 SIII
'84 RR
http://www.fplrg.org/

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:13:30 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Our club write up
Reply-To: [email-masked]

By gosh it is too.
John and Muddy

Scott Wickham wrote:
> 
>   If anyone comes across a copy of the Dec. issue of LRE, page 153 has a
> small write up of our local club, Fort Pitt Land Rover Group.
> 
> Scott Wickham Jr.
> Pgh., Pa.
> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
> '72 SIII
> '84 RR
> http://www.fplrg.org/
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Message: 18
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:00:38 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Andy writes: >>> I always think folk with bullbars are funny. They are
screaming out
> to all other road users "I am a crap driver who slams into the back
> of other cars cos I tailgate". A GOOD driver would have the bullbars
> on the back.<<<<

I'll fight you when I am well enough for saying I'm a crap driver :-)

Now to get serious. I've not been well enough to join in the debate but I
have seldom read such unmitigated crap as I have read from the anti-bullbar
people on the list over the last few weeks.
 It's the sort of thing I expect from ignorant prats who read the motoring
pages of the daily press - not what I expect from the usually thoughtful
people who use this list.
 And I don't mean the people who just don't like/want a bullbar themselves.
I mean the ones who want them banned.
 Don't bother flaming me over this, I know where the delete button is.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Woodward" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters

>
> > >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with
> > >plenty of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as
> > >tow ball, etc
>
>
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Message: 19
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:13:09 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I still like a picture I once saw of a 88 in OZ with bull bars front rear
sides and top.  basically this big external rool cage.  Only thing sticking
out from it are the wheels.  Looked like you could roll the vehicle of the
edge of the grand canyon and it would survive.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:31
Subject: RE: [lro] Tailgaters

>
> Never mind the "good" drivers. I've done more damage off road, from
backing
> into hidden objects, trees in blind spots etc, than both on and off road
> from the front.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Woodward [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:20 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
>
>
>
> > >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with
> > >plenty of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as
> > >tow ball, etc
>
>
> I always think folk with bullbars are funny. They are screaming out
> to all other road users "I am a crap driver who slams into the back
> of other cars cos I tailgate". A GOOD driver would have the bullbars
> on the back.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 01 08:58:07 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

This is something I just learned through insider channels:

: Ford's official position is to obsolete parts on vehicles 
: 15 years old and older. That means Series III is a goner, 
: and forget about SIIA. 
:
: As far as Ford is concerned there are no 15 year or
: older Land Rovers in the US that they are responsible for. 

What this means is that you can expect older "Genuine" parts to go out of 
production over the next several months as Ford policies take affect.

Things like new cylinder heads, top seat belt harness anchors and cranks 
may no longer be available by the end of 2002 if not sooner.

This would be a good time to purchase and stockpile any genuine parts you 
may need for your Series Land Rover.

Luckily many parts are available in the after market channel and many OEM 
parts will still be available.  But genuine parts for your engine, 
gearbox, drive train and body may soon become a memory.  Also luckily 
there are a lot of Defender parts that fit series rigs.

Along the same vein, Lucas under TWR has been shedding production of 
obsolete parts.  Rover specific Lucas parts still in production may 
disappear soon as well once Rover obsoletes those parts.  

I think this would be a good time to stock up on parts that are available 
new only as genuine parts.  

I really did not want to spend money on parts I do not need yet nor loose 
the storage space they will take.  Oh well.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:12:44 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Alternator plan
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks for all the answers.  We called Steve and the parts should be 
on their way.

Regards,

Brendan
68 Series 2a 109 sw

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:24:08 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Plea for help/parts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Dear All,
    I really need, the window locks from the sliding rear windows of a
hardtop.  I cannot find the little sods anywhere. They hang on the chome
rail and bolt right through the glass.  There are two long and two short
ones.  I need all four.  Please make sure they still have the little
bullet lock and spring in them.  Please let me know if you have these
and how much you want for them.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 23
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:18:47 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I really did not want to spend money on parts I do not need yet nor loose
> the storage space they will take.  Oh well.

Sounds like you need a second 109 or maybe a 101 radio body.  They would
make a great mobile parts bin.
:-)
Pete

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:43:03 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've been really out of touch with the rover corporate stuff, what's
this about ford? and parts?
I guiess I've missed a lot in two years?

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:41:36 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] It's a goner
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If you haven't been hit by the "goner" virus, you may...I was mailed a copy
by someone on this list (unwittingly, no doubt) but didn't open the
attachment and promptly deleted the file before opening it - or even
'previewing' it.  A subsequent virus scan says all is well....

To prevent passing this virus on to others, make the first entry in you
address book "0000" with no associated e-mail address.  The virus will hang
on this entry, and while it won't prevent *you* from getting it, it will
prevent it's circulation to others.

Now that we have a whole federal department for "homeland security", I say
we create an entire division to track down miscreants creating these
viruses (virii??).  This would provide gainful employment for batallions of
computer geeks as well as keeping the hangman busy....

Cheers

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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:39:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>> I really did not want to spend money on parts I do
not need yet

The operative term here is yet.....and you'll kick
yourself when the time comes that you DO need them.

This is why I keep bins of a little of everything on
the shelf. Everything from Lucar sleeves and
connectors to tune-up parts to seals to gaskets...

The parts pile is the size of the damn truck.....8*)

                 ajr

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Message: 27
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 01 09:45:21 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>> I really did not want to spend money on parts I do not need yet nor loose
>> the storage space they will take.  Oh well.
>
>Sounds like you need a second 109 or maybe a 101 radio body.  They would
>make a great mobile parts bin.

It never occured to me to rationalize a mobile parts bin.  Humm I wonder 
if I have enough for  a IIB communications body....

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 28
Subject: Re: [lro] Plea for help/parts
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 01 09:49:10 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Dear All,
>    I really need, the window locks from the sliding rear windows of a
>hardtop.  I cannot find the little sods anywhere. 

If you get REAL desperate you could just purchase a new set.  I got a new 
set last year & I don't remember them being all that expensive.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 29
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 01 09:54:08 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I've been really out of touch with the rover corporate stuff, what's
>this about ford? and parts?
>I guiess I've missed a lot in two years?

You missed the part where Ford purchased Rover from BMW?

You HAVE been out of touch

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:53:12 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What about Internationally?  Series III vehicles are all over the place -
did Ford not mention support for them?  Usually before automakers stop
producing a series of parts, they BOOM current production for a large
surplus - at least, this has been Fords game in the past.  I guess one good
point is that currently, there is little incentive for after market
companies to produce older rover parts because Land Rover owns the market.
I am sure that once parts become fully after-market, other companies will
see the economic benefits for supporting such widely used vehicles.

Supposing your right, what would you recommend be stockpiled?  What would be
the ultimate list of parts that tend to wear out and will require replacing
that have no after market equivalents?

I think a lot of Fords decisions are based on the fact that they are loosing
so much money right now.  I heard this morning that the forth quarter
results for them will be a disaster and that they are looking to cut
divisions, factories and, of course, jobs upon its forth quarter
announcement.  The sale of Rover couldn't have come at a worse time.

I knew I should have bought a Honda CRV.   ;o)

Brian

On 12/5/01 8:58 AM, "TeriAnn Wakeman" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 
> This is something I just learned through insider channels:
> 
> : Ford's official position is to obsolete parts on vehicles
> : 15 years old and older. That means Series III is a goner,
> : and forget about SIIA.
> :
> : As far as Ford is concerned there are no 15 year or
> : older Land Rovers in the US that they are responsible for.
> 
> What this means is that you can expect older "Genuine" parts to go out of
> production over the next several months as Ford policies take affect.
> 
> Things like new cylinder heads, top seat belt harness anchors and cranks
> may no longer be available by the end of 2002 if not sooner.
> 
> This would be a good time to purchase and stockpile any genuine parts you
> may need for your Series Land Rover.
> 
> Luckily many parts are available in the after market channel and many OEM
> parts will still be available.  But genuine parts for your engine,
> gearbox, drive train and body may soon become a memory.  Also luckily
> there are a lot of Defender parts that fit series rigs.
> 
> Along the same vein, Lucas under TWR has been shedding production of
> obsolete parts.  Rover specific Lucas parts still in production may
> disappear soon as well once Rover obsoletes those parts.
> 
> I think this would be a good time to stock up on parts that are available
> new only as genuine parts.
> 
> I really did not want to spend money on parts I do not need yet nor loose
> the storage space they will take.  Oh well.
> 
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
> 
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
> 
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:57:13 -0800
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] U.S. promised as "Number one priority market"
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<snip from RoverMe.Org>

I just read a quote in the Atlantic British Fall/Winter newsletter that
quotes Bob Dover, the Land Rover Chairman, as saying: 3In the future, every
new Land Rover model will be engineered for the U.S. at the very beginning
of its life...let me be clear: the U.S. is our absolute number one priority
market worldwide."

I am not sure how to take this. Will all future Land Rovers come standard
with shopping bag holders and DSC (Downhill Speed bump Control)? I mean,
aren9t Rovers supposed to be built for things OTHER than the U.S. market -
isn9t that the whole point? I am not trying to rant here nor am I trying to
champion a raging religious battle between new Rovers and old but this
comment did make the hair on the back of my neck dance a little. When I
think of 3built for the U.S. market2 I can9t help but think that most SUV9s
WERE built for the U.S. market. The whole reason most of us even like
Rover9s was that they were one of the only vehicles built for purposes other
than schlepping kids to Soccer. Don9t get me wrong, kids need to get rides
to soccer practice, even in Rovers, but should that be the main focus of the
design?

Sports Package:------------------------------- $255.00
Includes
- Genuine Land Rover Soccer Ball Mounts
- BatAll side mount baseball bat holder

Safari Package: --------------------------------- $152.99
Includes
- Lion Roar Horn 
- Genuine Land Rover Super Soaker Squirt Gun
- Zebra Skin Baby Seat
- Shaka Zulu Soundtrack (CD or Tape)

Just a thought

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Message: 32
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:02:15 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] Plea for help/parts
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark,
I picked the longer one up for my truck cab a couple years ago at Rovers 
North, not sure if they still have them.
Scott
1968 '109 reg.
Rochester, MI

> Dear All,
>     I really need, the window locks from the sliding rear windows of a
> hardtop.  I cannot find the little sods anywhere. They hang on the chome
> rail and bolt right through the glass.  There are two long and two short
> ones.  I need all four.  Please make sure they still have the little
> bullet lock and spring in them.  Please let me know if you have these
> and how much you want for them.
> Kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington

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Message: 33
From: "Neil Brownlee" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:09:02 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Adrian,

I ditched the "Exploded" Explorer for Piglet, and about 2 months later Ford
bought Land Rover, so I guess it must be my fault......
-------------------------------------------------------------

Neil (#150)

1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet'
1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch
Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side
Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks,
Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85/16  Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's, WH
Wheelcarriers Diff Guards, JE Engineering 4 Tailpipe SS Exhaust, Safari
Snorkel
1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty'

http://www.PigletV8i.org.uk
http://community.webshots.com/user/landroverdiscoveryv8i
http://www.northantsdoc.co.uk

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Message: 34
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:47:17 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Plea for help/parts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TerriAnn,    They are $46 dollars each and there are 4 of them.  How can they
possibly be worth that much.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >Dear All,
> >    I really need, the window locks from the sliding rear windows of a
> >hardtop.  I cannot find the little sods anywhere.
>
> If you get REAL desperate you could just purchase a new set.  I got a new
> set last year & I don't remember them being all that expensive.
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
>
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 35
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:50:33 EST
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: Importing to Canada
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On the subject of RHD vehicles in Canada, let's not forget that the CMP 4x4 
and 6x6 trucks were designed and built in Canada with RHD.  

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109 RHD
Denver

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Message: 36
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: "lr mendo" <[email-masked]>, "lr LRO" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:08:51 -0800
Subject: [lro] Marine Rover update
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just saw video tape on the news of that same scene from the yahoo photo
at:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20011205/ts/mdf95962.html
I missed it in the phot, but it's very visible in the news video.  The
vehicle is a 6 wheeler.
Do any armies use a 6 wheeled rover other the OZ?  Also explains the
overthewheel nerf bars

Pete

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Message: 37
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 01 11:13:12 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>What about Internationally? 

I would imagine that would apply world wide unless any country that sells 
LRs new has a law requiring parts to be supplied longer.  I think 15 
years is the American legally required minimum.

> Series III vehicles are all over the place -

I'm not positive but I think they are still made in Turkey under license.

>did Ford not mention support for them?

The discussion was specifically about support of Land Rovers sold 
originally in the US.

>point is that currently, there is little incentive for after market
>companies to produce older rover parts because Land Rover owns the market.

Actually there is a great deal of series parts available through the 
aftermarket and OEM channels.  The reproduction point seems to be the 
cost of tooling up vs the potential number sold.  So things that seldom 
break & cost a lot to tool up for will probably never be reproduced but 
would be widely available used for a very long time.  I would imagine the 
most critical thing that will disappear will be new cylinder heads.

>Supposing your right, what would you recommend be stockpiled? 

That really depends so much upon the model you own, your driving habits, 
the condition or repair you feel comfortable with and the miles you put 
on.  I couldn't begin to guess for others.

For my own use I may pick up an extra set of complete rear & parking lamp 
assemblies (In case Lucas discontinues them after Rover does).  My pos 
earth headlamp/ignition switch is on it's way out.  Since it is Rover 
specific it will almost certainly disappear.  So I plan to pick up one or 
two new ones.   I use my turn signals while on the road & have upgraded 
to the IIA signal assembly.  The electrical guts to the factory switch is 
still available through Rover.  I expect to pick up a spare.

Maybe a few sets of stock original rubber floor mats.  I seem to wear a 
hole in the driver's side about once every 3 or 4 years.  Maybe an extra 
set of pedal pads.

I need to check up on the heated windscreens.  If this is a Rover only 
item I may bite the $$$ bullet and get a spare set.  I've learned to 
really like them.  And I probably will pick up a few spares of that 
special bolt that connects the wings to the bulkhead.

I no longer have a Rover engine or gearbox.  If I did I would probably 
get a new 2.5L head and the metric mounting kit needed to fit it to 3 
Main 2-1/4L engines and I would be real tempted to pick up a bunch or 
tyranny parts.

I still run a Rover transfer case and there are some Rover only sourced 
parts in there.  Even though I completely went through the box last 
spring I may pick up a set of intermediate shaft bearings and a set of 
thrust washers.  The other bearings are Timken and likely to remain 
available.

I think I'm just going to go through the vehicle to try & identify what 
parts would be Rover only.  

>I think a lot of Fords decisions are based on the fact that they are loosing
>so much money right now.

No, this is ongoing Ford policy for aging vehicle support.  On the 
positive side they are known for licensing companies to make parts for 
the older vehicles.  So if a company thinks it can make a profit with a 
LR part chances are real good Ford will let them try.

>I knew I should have bought a Honda CRV.   ;o)

If that's what you like you still can.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 38
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 20:25:45 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When did BMW buy Land Rover? :-)

Adrian

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Message: 39
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:28:04 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:39:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Edit 2 <[email-masked]> writes:

> 
> I've been really out of touch with the rover corporate stuff, what's
> this about ford? and parts?
> I guiess I've missed a lot in two years?
> 
> :-)
> 

When did Rover start making off-tarmac vehicles?

Nate

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Message: 40
Subject: Re: [lro] Plea for help/parts
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 01 11:42:00 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>TerriAnn,    They are $46 dollars each and there are 4 of them.  How can they
>possibly be worth that much.

THe value is worth what someone is willing to pay.  I went 3 years 
without sliding window latches untill I decided I was willing to pay for 
a set so I could lock my LR.

Ask LAND ROVER.  Since BMW bought them they have been raising prices 
constantly and a supplier almost never pays the same price on any genuine 
part with each order.

I just phoned British Pacific and asked their current list price. 

For just the sliding lock assembly the current cost is: $21.99
However they are out of stock and have been back ordered the last three 
months from Rover.

For the back part that goes through the window it is: $10.99 and in stock

Rubber washers are $0.38 ea with a min of 2 required per lock assembly 
and in stock

The special screew for connect the slide with the back part is $1 and in 
stock.

So their price would be about $35 except both they and the Land Rover 
factory are out of slide assemblies.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 41
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 11:51:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Teri-Ann, 

>> point is that currently, there is little incentive for after market
>> companies to produce older rover parts because Land Rover owns the market.
> 
> Actually there is a great deal of series parts available through the
> aftermarket and OEM channels.  The reproduction point seems to be the
> cost of tooling up vs the potential number sold.  So things that seldom
> break & cost a lot to tool up for will probably never be reproduced but
> would be widely available used for a very long time.  I would imagine the
> most critical thing that will disappear will be new cylinder heads.

Sure - but demand for aftermarket parts does definitely rise when a
manufacturer stops producing a entire series of parts.  Thus creating a more
approachable and stable market for third parties to engulf.

>> I think a lot of Fords decisions are based on the fact that they are loosing
>> so much money right now.
> 
> No, this is ongoing Ford policy for aging vehicle support.  On the
> positive side they are known for licensing companies to make parts for
> the older vehicles.  So if a company thinks it can make a profit with a
> LR part chances are real good Ford will let them try.

Yes.  This is what I am counting on.  I think there will many approaches to
Ford with that scenario you have mentioned above and I think Ford will,
according to History, accept them as chances for profit without having to
lift a finger.

>> I knew I should have bought a Honda CRV.   ;o)
> 
> If that's what you like you still can.

No thank you it was supposed to be a humorous line of text that obviously
failed to deliver..

Brian

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Message: 42
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:58:42 -0800
Subject: [lro] Was stockpile parts now windo locks
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just called BP and ordered a full set.  Another reason to accumulate
parts:  price increases.  In last year's RN catalog, the locks alone (sans
the bolt and button nut)  were 17.20 each.   And I put off buying them then
because only one of mine was so badly worn it popped off on occasion... I
understand from someone on list they are now 46.00 each!  BP had them at
something around the mid teens each but they are indeed on backorder and
they were six deep backordered before me!

Simon

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Message: 43
Date: 05 Dec 2001 14:37:48 -0600
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Alternator plan...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I used the existing generator bracket to mount a Delco to my
2.25L petrol Series IIA...I had to bend it so it had a "dog leg"
configuration and I purchased a new bottom mounting bolt that would
fit through the Delco(small hole) and the engine mounting hole (larger)
and just bent a thin piece of metal around the bolt to fit into larger
engine mount hole as a bushing...some washers to locate the alternator
front to back and it was solidly in place. Just hold the Alternator
up to the generator mounting location and you will begin to see that
it is pretty straightforward.
George Kase

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Message: 44
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:27:51 -0800
Subject: [lro] fluids
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello.  I'm in Portland Oregon, basically sea level.  Our temps right now
are at 35-45 range here.  I have a well broken in 2.25 engine.  I noticed
that when I bought the rig when I ran 20-50 in it in cool weather, the oil
light tended to stay on longish at start up.  In summer, its fine.  In
winter I run 10-30.  I would avoid straight 30 wt.   Additives for the 90 wt
are fine  but its more importnat to keep the 90 wt or whatever in there.  If
you find (as I did)  that one or both of your swivel hubs is dry, and a
heavy leaker, do not hesitate to put something real heavy in there (provided
it is not grease)  pending replacement of the swivel hub seal.  Its better
to have something in there than nothing.  Let us know if you need to replace
a hub seal.  there is a cheat method for replacement that does not involve a
tear down.  If you have an overdrive, be religious about keeping it checked
and topped.  Consider running synthetic 90 wt there.

Simon

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Message: 45
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:51:10 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I read: >>>Ford's official position is to obsolete parts on vehicles
> : 15 years old and older. That means Series III is a goner,
> : and forget about SIIA.<<<

and I write: So how come the Cortina owners club in the UK is approaching
the size of the poopulation of a small country? And the Ford Capri Club, and
Ford Granada Club(s)?
And don't we see the odd Model T around now and again?

Given the size of the Land Rover aftermarket industry in the UK alone there
is NO WAY we are every going to run out of parts for the Ser... you can even
build a Ser 1 completely from new parts (if you could afford it).

Ford can have as many policies as they like, ain't going to happen.

Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 46
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:06:52 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Frank, I totally agree with you, but I am having a little trouble finding a
right side traffickator for my 1923 Bugatti Royale.  No-one seem to have
one....:-)

Mark Pilkington

Frank Elson wrote:

> I read: >>>Ford's official position is to obsolete parts on vehicles
> > : 15 years old and older. That means Series III is a goner,
> > : and forget about SIIA.<<<
>
> and I write: So how come the Cortina owners club in the UK is approaching
> the size of the poopulation of a small country? And the Ford Capri Club, and
> Ford Granada Club(s)?
> And don't we see the odd Model T around now and again?
>
> Given the size of the Land Rover aftermarket industry in the UK alone there
> is NO WAY we are every going to run out of parts for the Ser... you can even
> build a Ser 1 completely from new parts (if you could afford it).
>
> Ford can have as many policies as they like, ain't going to happen.
>
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
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Message: 47
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:08:06 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated Wed, 5 Dec 2001  5:04:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]> writes:

> 
> Frank, I totally agree with you, but I am having a little trouble finding a
> right side traffickator for my 1923 Bugatti Royale.  No-one seem to have
> one....:-)
> 

I think you need to talk to VW about your Bugatti...

Nate

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Message: 48
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:22:49 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'd tend to aggree with Frank's realistic approach to this - lets face
it, the series/defender concept has been plagued for at least 10 years
with rumours of the pending doomsday - end of production, end of spare
parts, end of the company, end of the end.

To quote another old englishman (sorry Frank) this is probably not even
the beginning of the end....

As long as there are enthusiasts willing to spend a few hours crawling
round scrapyards, farmyards and other automotive graveyards scrounging
parts from donors which they could probably resore if their wives would
let them, there will be parts for sale. I cant speak of the UK
situation, but I know at least one dealer over here who splits every
wreck he can get his hands on and stores everything which is usefull and
a lot more besides - and as the demand for parts falls because less
people drive a series - then the number of us sharing the available
parts also falls - so status quo is maintained.

OK there may be a few critical issues, and there may be regional
shortages (like the US), but for anyone in Europe or the colonies, there
are just too many wrecks waiting to be vultured to prevent us
maintaining the series trucks which are on the road. After all - as
Europes military scraps the series, spare parts - including entire
engines, gearboxes, axles and the like seem to be available unused for a
song.

My guess is that the dying race of series enthusiasts will probably die
out long before even the worst series truck is unrestorable due to lack
of available parts. Long before then Land Rover will have changed hands
several times.

I notice too that a major portion of the parts which I can buy in
Denmark are not labelled genuine, though seemingly many of them are
parallel manufacture, with identical casting numbers, labels, packaging,
in fact everything except the logo.

And body parts - still in abundance over here.

The way we folks hamster (a danish expression I believe) spare parts,
donor parts, broken parts, incorrectly ordered parts, and surplus spares
will tide us well in the years to come.

Lastly, should disaster strike, there is not a part on a land rover
which a good machine shop cannot replicate. Except the door seals maybe
- but then a lousy machine shop can handle that job...

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 49
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 19:28:54 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark, the main problem is that the trafficators were an optional extra
in '23 and were never an item on the dealers normal parts stock list.
How ever if you visit the <[email-masked]>
you may find some one to help you.
John and Muddy 

Mark Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Frank, I totally agree with you, but I am having a little trouble finding a
> right side traffickator for my 1923 Bugatti Royale.  No-one seem to have
> one....:-)
> 
> Mark Pilkington
> 
> Frank Elson wrote:
> 
> > I read: >>>Ford's official position is to obsolete parts on vehicles
> > > : 15 years old and older. That means Series III is a goner,
> > > : and forget about SIIA.<<<
> >
> > and I write: So how come the Cortina owners club in the UK is approaching
> > the size of the poopulation of a small country? And the Ford Capri Club, and
> > Ford Granada Club(s)?
> > And don't we see the odd Model T around now and again?
> >
> > Given the size of the Land Rover aftermarket industry in the UK alone there
> > is NO WAY we are every going to run out of parts for the Ser... you can even
> > build a Ser 1 completely from new parts (if you could afford it).
> >
> > Ford can have as many policies as they like, ain't going to happen.
> >
> > Best Cheers
> >
> > Frank
> >     +--+--+--+
> >      I !__|  [_]|_\___
> >      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
> >      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 50
From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:44:38 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Mark, the main problem is that the trafficators were an optional extra
> in '23 and were never an item on the dealers normal parts stock list.
> How ever if you visit the <[email-masked]>
> you may find some one to help you.
> John and Muddy
>

Even when I think I know you fairly well John, you still can pull something
out of your hat to amaze me.....

Peter Rosvall
Wolfville, Nova Scotia

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Message: 51
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:59:57 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Mark, the main problem is that the trafficators were an optional extra
> in '23 and were never an item on the dealers normal parts stock list.
> How ever if you visit the <[email-masked]>
> you may find some one to help you.
> John and Muddy 
> 

John, are you for real? You never cease to amaze me... 

J-L

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Message: 52
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:09:27 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I thought that was very amusing..

Jean-Leon Morin wrote:

> > Mark, the main problem is that the trafficators were an optional extra
> > in '23 and were never an item on the dealers normal parts stock list.
> > How ever if you visit the <[email-masked]>
> > you may find some one to help you.
> > John and Muddy
> >
>
> John, are you for real? You never cease to amaze me...
>
> J-L
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Message: 53
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:01:11 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: "russell wilson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I read: >>>Ford's official position is to obsolete parts on vehicles
>>  : 15 years old and older. That means Series III is a goner,
>>  : and forget about SIIA.<<<
>
>and I write: So how come the Cortina owners club in the UK is approaching
>the size of the poopulation of a small country?

I wasn't aware that you could fit that many fools in one spot at the 
same time.....(ugly little cars IMNSHO)

>
>Given the size of the Land Rover aftermarket industry in the UK alone there
>is NO WAY we are every going to run out of parts for the Ser...

I think I'll go along with Frank's sunny outlook on things.  I'll 
continue to hoard cheap or free parts as they come my way but I'm not 
going to start buying up everything in sight.  "The end of original 
parts availability is near.."   Sounds like the kind of thing someone 
with lots of genuine parts to sell might start saying....

cheers
-- 

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Message: 54
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:35:19 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have observed that there are stages in Series ownership. It's sort of a 
sine wave between two types - Collection and Dispersal. A typical owner 
will spend years accumulating parts, trucks, weird little things and more 
trucks. Then some sort of critical mass is reached and the parts must be 
distributed, usually with a SWMBO catalyst. The trick is to match two 
owners who are out of phase - one will hoover up the parts/trucks shed by 
the other.

I am in Collection stage. When I moved to Grand Junction, I identified 
several owners in Dispersal. My Rover has never been happier.

Keith

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Message: 55
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ALERT - STOCKPILE PARTS NOW
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I may be a fool, but with all of the Land Rovers on the road, I think parts
will be available for a long time. LR themselves brag about how "80% of all
Land Rovers ever built are still on the road".
That means that someone somewhere is going to make parts, and our parts
houses will keep bringing them in.

I could be wrong, but...

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

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