Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #172 - 19 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: ADRIAN -  Hi again (S. Vels Chr.)
   2. Re: Fwd: Re: Safety Item (Paul Oxley)
   3. Re: Fwd: Re: Safety Item (Andy Woodward)
   4. Re: Fwd: Re: Safety Item (Rob MacCormick)
   5. Tailgaters (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
   6. RE: Fwd: Re: Safety Item (Easton Trevor A)
   7. Re: Fwd: Re: Safety Item (Mark Pilkington)
   8. Gearbox oil seal replacement (William L Leacock)
   9. Re: Fauna fenders - a load of old bull & bush? (Faure, Marin)
  10. Re: IIB (Peter Ogilvie)
  11. Re: Re: Series power steering? (Kirk Hillman)
  12. Re: Re: Series power steering? (Kirk Hillman)
  13. Re: Re: Series power steering? (Mark Pilkington)
  14. 4wd Newsgroup (was: air cleaners) (Tim Czajka)
  15. Re: Re: Series power steering? (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  16. Another Comeback (Joseph Broach)
  17. Re: Gearbox oil seal replacement (Jim Hall)
  18. Re: Tailgaters (Jim Hall)
  19. Re: Another Comeback (Jim Hall)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:54:59 +0100
From: "S. Vels Chr." <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ADRIAN -  Hi again
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> Hi Adrian!
> Any recent trips to Alaska or other interesting places?

All this travelling makes him neglect his trucks.
I think he has fallen back to make a documentary on senior citizens and 
IT (if titles are telling the truth) ;-)

Good to see you back Adrian. Looking forward to novels and short stories 
with sunday morning cofee.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:20:32 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fwd: Re: Safety Item
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Par Leijonhufvud wrote:

> Definitely worth keeping in mind. Aluminum *burns*, as the US Army have
> discovered.

Hmm, yeah, I seem to remember a docu-drama based on the development of
the Bradley AFV.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 3
From: "Andy Woodward" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:20:37 -0000
Subject: Re: [lro] Fwd: Re: Safety Item
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Impressive temps. I mean, even main sequence stars have surface temps
> of only about 4-6000 C. At least we are not talking stellar core
> temperatures; I would not want _that_ in my workshop.
> 
> /Par 
>  thermite is closer to 2-2500 C, IIRC

Its hot enough to do large scale welding but be too brutal for small 
scale stuff. If I remember right, mix 1 part Aluiminium to 3 parts rust 
by weight, then set it off with either  a kid's sparkler or a few 
shavings from one of those magnesium block camping firestartes.

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:36:02 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fwd: Re: Safety Item
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Safety is my profession and although I have limited
experience/responsibilites regarding machine shop environments I was
always interested/curious/concerned about dust collection for machinery
that sees a variety of materials....Thanks for the reminder. Rob
MacCormick

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> I thought people who own aluminum & steel vehicles might find this of
> interest.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Robertson" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Toyota 4X4 list" <[email-masked]>; "Triumph List"
> <[email-masked]>; "Crx-Canada" <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:07 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Safety Item
>
> | > SAFETY ITEM
>
> | >   A few days earlier he had ground the heads of
> | about >12 aluminium pop rivets. Finely divided
> | aluminium >mixed with finely divided ferrous oxide
> | produces a >compound called thermite. Thermite is used
> | to fill >incendiary bombs and commercially to weld
> | large steel >items, i.e. railway rails into continuous
> | lengths.   >It burns at approximately 35000C (63000F)
> | hence the >extensive burns from such a short exposure
> | time.  The >end result was, excluding my fingers; I
> | suffered deep >second-degree burns to about 60% of my
> | left hand and >50% of my right hand.
> | >
> | >  In light of my experience, I feel there should be a
> | >very strong warning passed on to the readership as to
> | >the dangers posed by grinding steel after having
> | >ground aluminium, unless the machine is thoroughly
> | >cleaned of all aluminium dust.  The potential is
> | >certainly there for even more serious injury.
> |
> | =====
> | Bruce Robertson "MrMomo"
> | 1990 Rio Red Honda CRX DX
> | 1966 B.R.Green Triumph TR4A
> | 1991 Custom F350 Dually flatbed
> | Age unknown: Highly modified John Deere tractor.
> | "If more is better, too much is never enough"-ec
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:23:54 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>  Maybe if I put this on my tailgate there will be less tailgateing by angry
>>sounding Hondas.  They'll think I'm a little nuts.  I'm starting to think
>>people tailgate me 'cause they don't know what I'm driving and just want a
>>look.  Who knows.

>>Scooter

>Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with plenty
>of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as tow ball, etc

Great idea, but jerry cans work just fine in that regard.  Nobody
tailgates, especially those pain-in-arse Ricky Racers types in their
low-rider Hondas with chromed tailpipes the size of peach baskets.  Been
carrying jerry cans on the rear door for well over two decades (though
they've only actually been used a half dozen times when I needed the extra
fuel capacity).  Maybe if I painted 'em orange and labeled them 'taxic
nuclear waste' or somesuch....

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	*------------------------------------------------------*

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Message: 6
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Fwd: Re: Safety Item
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:41:52 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Magnesium burns even better. I once saw a burning Porche in Quebec. The fire
department arrived and promptly ran out a hose and turned on the water
fogger. The back of the Porche vanished in a blinding flash and the fireman
was blown over backwards by the blast. Burning magnesium and water DO mix
but rather rapidly!

Definitely worth keeping in mind. Aluminum *burns*, as the US Army have
discovered.

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:36:28 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fwd: Re: Safety Item
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What happened?

Andy Woodward wrote:

> > Impressive temps. I mean, even main sequence stars have surface temps
> > of only about 4-6000 C. At least we are not talking stellar core
> > temperatures; I would not want _that_ in my workshop.
> >
> > /Par
> >  thermite is closer to 2-2500 C, IIRC
>
> Its hot enough to do large scale welding but be too brutal for small
> scale stuff. If I remember right, mix 1 part Aluiminium to 3 parts rust
> by weight, then set it off with either  a kid's sparkler or a few
> shavings from one of those magnesium block camping firestartes.
> _______________________________________________
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> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 8
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:01:15 -0500
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Gearbox oil seal replacement
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Recently a lister asked if it was possible to change the main shaft oil
seal without removing the transfer box.
  whilst rebuilding a box for a friend I looked at the possibility, the
answer is a conditional yes. but.  It is necessary to remove the transfer
box intermediate gear to enable the oil flinger to be removed to get
access to the oil seal, by which time splitting the transfer case
requires only the removal of another seven fasteners.

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 9
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:16:16 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Fauna fenders - a load of old bull & bush?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Fauna fenders - a load of old bull & bush?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>In the often emotive bull-bar debate, I think many people are comparing
the impact of a high-bodied four-wheel drive with bull-bar with a low
profile, smoothly curved and PVC trimmed family saloon; and reaching the
conclusion that the saloon is less damaging on traffic victims because
it doesn't have a bull bar - which is obviously a mistaken conclusion.

I think the conclusion that a saloon is less damaging on traffic 
victims because it doesn't have a bullbar is a perfectly valid 
one.  It's not the ONLY reason why the severity of 
injury may be less from a saloon than an SUV, but it's one of
them.  If you put a bullbar on a saloon for some reason 
and then hit someone, it will probably do more damage 
to the person than if you hit them at the same speed in 
the same vehicle without the bullbar.

I think your argument is that because of the basic shape of an 
SUV, the presence or absence of a bullbar won't make 
any difference to the severity of injury to a pedestrian that 
gets hit by one.  I think this is a mistaken conclusion.

While you can say that the fronts of most SUVs 
are pretty vertical anyway so 
what difference will a bullbar make, the grill, headlight 
assemblies, and so on will spread the impact to a degree, 
as opposed to receiving the full force of the impact from 
the relatively small and possibly sharp-edged cross-section 
of the tubes or bars of a bullbar.  Slam one person with a 
4 X 4 sheet of plywood and hit another one just 
as hard with a baseball or cricket bat.  Or maybe 
two bats, one higher and one lower.  Which is more 
likely to cause the severest injuries?  The bats, I 
think, because the force of the impact is concentrated 
on a fairly small surface area.  The flat sheet of plywood 
probably won't rupture an internal organ.  The bat might.

So even though a bullbar may not change the "verticallness" 
of an SUV or enlarge its frontal area or "sweep," it will 
change the nature of the impact on a person the SUV 
happens to hit.  This, I believe, is the main point the 
anti-bullbar crowd is trying to make, and as far as 
the physics they are employing to make their point, 
I think they are correct.

How many pedestrians are actually struck by SUVs is 
another matter, and it may be that the statistics don't justify 
supporting an outright ban on bull or brushbars as has been 
proposed in the UK on various occasions.  Life is not 
without its risks, and I don't know that banning bullbars 
on SUVs would make much change to the overall traffic 
accident statistics which I suspect are set more by 
pedestrians and drivers doing stupid things rather than 
the presence of bullbars.

I personally don't really see the need for bull or brushbars 
unless you're actually driving in an environment where they 
are actually needed to prevent damage to the vehicle.  
Certainly the drivers of cars and trucks being driven in those 
parts of Australia where collision with a kangaroo is an 
ever-present risk are justified in fitting roo guards to their 
vehicles and keeping them there all the time.  But the Range 
Rover or Discovery that is driven across nothing more rugged 
than a speed bump at the mall has little use for a 
massive structure on the front end.  As I mentioned in a 
previous post, most of them will actually cause more damage
to the vehicle in a collision than if they weren't there at all, so 
the notion that they will "protect" the vehicle is false.

As to protecting the occupants, a bullbar isn't going to affect 
that at all, since injury is going to come from being slammed 
into the steering wheel or windshield in a frontal collision unless 
the airbag works as advertised.  It's 
the sudden stop that kills you, and a bullbar isn't going to 
reduce the shock of the impact.  In fact, some of them will 
increase the shock to your body because they prevent the 
bodywork from acting as a crumple zone to reduce the 
degree of shock that's transmitted to you.  Once you're 
heading into an accident, the priority should be protecting 
the occupants, not the bodywork of the vehicle.

I'm certainly an advocate fitting brushguards when there's 
a need for them.  Otherwise I think they are just image-
devices designed to make people think the couch potato 
behind the wheel is a macho explorer-type, when in 
reality he has never ventured beyond his daily 
commute and has no desire to experienced the outdoors 
on anything other than a TV set.  Most of the SUV 
owners I know are in this category.

Frankly, I like people like this and think there should
be more of them.  The more people there are who 
are content to experience life on a video screen, the 
fewer people I will encounter in the hills or out on the 
water.  So I actually support the installation of bullbars, 
because the more people who believe that installing 
one meets the "outdoorsman" requirement
and now they can go home and watch TV, the better.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 10
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] IIB
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:43:46 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Coffee is in the mail.  May take a few days to get there with the 9-11 
precautions.  Send me a check for $150.  Was going to bill you actual cost 
of shipping but found that that came out more than my advertized prices.  
Will have to adjust my pricing to match real cost of shipping.  Must have 
missed calculating in a Postal Rate increase.

Do you have the name and address of the Doc. on Oahu who was also interested 
in coffee.  Hotmail decided to erase all of my inbox posts so I lost a lot 
of names of people who wanted coffee.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] IIB
>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:18:07 -0800
>
>
> > Whether it is nobler in the mind to consider the beast
> > a 109 or to name it truly as a 1110 , overcoming a sea
> > of discussion and by opposing, end it.
> >
>
>Bravo Alan.
>With your permission, this one is going up on my website.
>pete
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Message: 11
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Series power steering?
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:55:58 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Derek,
    I would love a copy of that document.  It just so happens that I
have/had access to some Defender stuff that might be quite cheap.

Thanks,
Kirk

> If any one wants it, I have a Word document on
> research behind the Scout power steering conversion
> with pictures.  After my research, I opted for a
> Defender manual steering military column and box setup
> for two reasons.  There is a large safety issue of the
> Scout rig job if not performed by a professional, and
> that professional is accepting a little bit of
> liability should the system fail at the wrong moment.
> The Defender column and box that I got is less
> expensive although very new since it requires way less
> fabrication to install.  These military columns are
> available from Big Sky Rover in Montana for about $900
> complete.  If gives way better manual steering that
> the original series setup, and close to power steering
> feel without sucking any horsepower from your already
> under powered diesel.
>
> Email me offline for the word doc. and questions.

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Message: 12
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Series power steering?
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:24:39 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry, that was supposed to go directly to Derek.  Must have clicked the
wrong button.  :-)

Kirk

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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:20:17 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Series power steering?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Kirk,
I am glad that it didnt go direct to Derek because I might need to buy dome
Defender parts off you if they are for sale.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Kirk Hillman wrote:

> Sorry, that was supposed to go directly to Derek.  Must have clicked the
> wrong button.  :-)
>
> Kirk
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Message: 14
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:28:42 -0700
Subject: [lro] 4wd Newsgroup (was: air cleaners)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin Faure wrote:
>In the mid-1990s I regularly participated in the rec.autos.4wd newsgroup 
>for about a year.
>
Time certainly flies.  Back when I first got into
computers and the internet I used to peruse that
newsgroup quite often.  As I recall, you were one
of the few valued Land Rover resources participating
in that group.  After you moved on, people would
still ask for you on LR related questions.  Not sure
what's going on there these days - it's been a few
years now since I've checked in.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 15
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Series power steering?
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 01 13:37:59 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> research behind the Scout power steering conversion
> with pictures.  After my research, I opted for a
> Defender manual steering military column and box setup
> for two reasons.  There is a large safety issue of the
> Scout rig job if not performed by a professional,

There is no greater risk than any steering conversion not done by a 
professional.  Actually probably less than most because it is well 
documented and there are over a dozen Scout II based power steering 
conversions on the road today.  If the power steering goes out you are 
stuck with manual steering.

> The Defender column and box that I got is less
> expensive although very new since it requires way less
> fabrication to install. These military columns are
> available from Big Sky Rover in Montana for about $900
> complete. 

My conversion came in under $500 including paying Timm Cooper to make the 
installation.

But the nice thing is that there is no single way that is right for 
everyone.  I'm quite happy with my power steering and you seem to be 
quite happy with your Defender manual steering.

I will admit I having lost upper body strength since the conversion.  I 
had not realized what an important part of my daily exercise program 
stock series steering was.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:11:55 -0700
From: Joseph Broach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Another Comeback
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi gang,

It's been a while.  Glad to see things here haven't changed much.  I had 
a wonderful time...ahem..."studying" in New Zealand.  Wonderful country 
and quite probably the kindest people anywhere.

Buying a series for the duration proved impractical with petrol prices 
what they were.  We ended up with a Nissan Bluebird (Stanza in the US) 
which had a horrible auto-choke carb setup and a clutch which would 
occasionally fail to disengage (with no warning from pedal feel).  The 
last "feature" made for some rather too exciting parking space startups, 
fortunately, no damage done.  To its credit, the little car did well on 
fuel and survived the washboards and even a few shallow fords with only 
a destroyed muffler to show for it.

Mostly little Japanese turbodiesels around town (we were in Dunedin) but 
saw lots of old series with all manner of homemade beds working the 
sheep ranches.  They certainly looked at home.

As a side note, I really like the NZ driving system.  Driving on the 
left makes a lot more sense for us righties, as it allows one to keep 
the right hand on the wheel while shifting through turns.  Yielding to 
oncoming traffic turning across intersections also makes a great deal of 
sense.  I don't know if this is peculiar to Kiwidom.  Oh, yes, and the 
100km/h max speeds would be very nice in the Rover, much safer and more 
practical than the ridiculous 75 here in Montana.

I apologize to any kiwis listening in who may have emailed me offering 
to meet up while I was there.  The fishing...er...school load didn't 
leave much free time 8*)

Back to the business of US Rovering, Sid didn't make the trip out to 
Montana this year.  I got nervous about the low idle oil pressure.  I 
mixed in a half-quart of high-tach at the last oil change, and that 
keeps it from falling below 10psi like it had been (it's still 50-65psi 
at speed), but the rattling at low revs still has me concerned.  Any 
ideas?  It's distinct from the normal, consistent tappett clatter.  It's 
sort of inconsistent, almost diesel like rattling from the block, 
definitely worst as the engine returns to idle from being revved.  I'll 
pull the sump and see about getting the idle oil pressure up.  What else 
should I look at?

Dad's Rover has been sitting in Arkansas for the past 3 years, and we 
hope to mount a rescue operation for it over the holidays.  With luck 
we'll drive it to my folks new home in Maryland.

It's great to be back! This round's on me...

cheers,
Joseph
and "Sidney" '67 IIa 88 SW
http://www.seriesrover.com/

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:46:35 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox oil seal replacement
Reply-To: [email-masked]

7 fasteners, 2 driveshafts, 2 shift linkages, e-brake linkage, speedo 
cable. Much easier to do it with it still attached in my book.

William L Leacock wrote:
> 
>  Recently a lister asked if it was possible to change the main shaft oil
> seal without removing the transfer box.
>   whilst rebuilding a box for a friend I looked at the possibility, the
> answer is a conditional yes. but.  It is necessary to remove the transfer
> box intermediate gear to enable the oil flinger to be removed to get
> access to the oil seal, by which time splitting the transfer case
> requires only the removal of another seven fasteners.

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:48:42 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Tailgaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just don't fix your oil leaks, and if they get too close, their red 
Honda will soon be oily black.

A. P. (Sandy) Grice wrote:
> 
> Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> >Now there's an idea. Tailgater bars. Substantial steel structure with plenty
> >of sharp bits sticking out. Radiator destroyer disguised as tow ball, etc
> 
> Great idea, but jerry cans work just fine in that regard. 
-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:52:41 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another Comeback
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Welcome back, and Adrian too, since I'm slow on my welcomes.

Joseph Broach wrote:
> 
> Hi gang,
> 
> It's been a while.  Glad to see things here haven't changed much.  I had
> a wonderful time...ahem..."studying" in New Zealand.  Wonderful country
> and quite probably the kindest people anywhere.

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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