Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #169 - 50 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: computer attack, no rover content (Paul Nash)
   2. Re: Re: Junkyard mega-wars (Phil Norris)
   3. Re: computer attack, (very) little rover content (Phil Norris)
   4. RE: Fauna fenders (Easton Trevor A)
   5. RE: Onan Genset welder - little rover content (Easton Trevor A)
   6. cart guards (Rob MacCormick)
   7. Re: virus attack (Lonn & Rhonda)
   8. Re: Onan Genset welder - little rover content (John Cranfield)
   9. Fauna fenders - a load of old bull & bush? (Edit 2)
  10. Re: Fauna fenders (Dick Joltes)
  11. Re: Power steering assembly (Mark Pilkington)
  12. RE: Fauna fenders (Robert A. Virzi)
  13. Re: Fauna fenders (G. Mugele)
  14. Re: Power steering assembly (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  15. Re: Fauna fenders (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  16. Re: Fauna fenders (Keith Tanner)
  17. Lion's Back for sale! (Keith Tanner)
  18. Re: Lion's Back for sale! (Keith Tanner)
  19. Re: Fauna fenders (Neil Brownlee)
  20. Re: Junkyard mega-wars (Faure, Marin)
  21. Re: Fauna fenders (Keith Tanner)
  22. Re: Fauna fenders (Peter Ogilvie)
  23. Re: Rochester carb and air cleaners (Faure, Marin)
  24. Re: Re: Junkyard mega-wars (Frank Elson)
  25. Re: Fauna fenders (apsilon)
  26. RE: Fauna fenders (Easton Trevor A)
  27. Re: Fauna fenders (Rob MacCormick)
  28. RE: Fauna fenders (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  29. Re: Fauna fenders (Dick Joltes)
  30. Re: Fauna fenders (Nick Danger)
  31. RE: Fauna fenders (Easton Trevor A)
  32. Not urban legend (Mark Pilkington)
  33. RE: Fauna fenders (Keith Tanner)
  34. Re: Re: Junkyard mega-wars (Hope Peter)
  35. Re: no LR content, but looking for a quote (DaveB)
  36. Re: Fauna fenders (Hope Peter)
  37. British Tools (Brian Horner)
  38. Re: British Tools (Edit 2)
  39. Re: Not urban legend (G. Mugele)
  40. Re: Not urban legend (RON WARD)
  41. Re: British Tools (Rich Williams)
  42. Re: British Tools (Dick Joltes)
  43. RE: Fauna fenders (G. Mugele)
  44. Re: Onan Genset welder - little rover content (Jean-Leon Morin)
  45. Re: British Tools (Peter Ogilvie)
  46. Re: Fauna fenders (N Forbes)
  47. Re: Fauna fenders (N Forbes)
  48. Re: British Tools ([email-masked])
  49. Re: no LR content, but looking for a quote (Scott Wickham)
  50. Re: Not urban legend ([email-masked])

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:45:02 +0200
To: [email-masked]
From: Paul Nash <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] computer attack, no rover content
Cc: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Pete

>You do realise that if the majority of computer users went to another OS
>then the hackers would start concentrating on that system?
>Just because other OS's don't get hit as often, don't let this lead you to
>think they are 100% secure.

However, the other OS's have a more secure underlying design.  M$ 
products trade security for "user convenience".  Yes, there *are* 
attacks that will hurt Solaris, Linux, OpenBSD, etc; *BUT* they need 
quite sophisticated attackers.

IIS can be taken in a squillion ways by script kiddies with acne and 
a zero-rating in the clue domain.

To use aphysical analogy, if all cars are made secure, thieves will 
start to get more sophisticated (or turn to hijacking).  This is 
true.  *BUT* the joy-riders (script kiddies) will stop being able to 
take your car for their evening fun.

Ultimately, *you* must decide.  I don't use M$ operating systems 
except behind a *very* paranoid firewall.  My visible computers run 
reasonably secure OS's, with paranoid IP filtering and limited 
services.  So far, so good.

>   Yes in the past year there
>  were 8 major events that we had to deal with and 7 where related to MS
>  products.  Considering they are on what 75% of systems out there this
>  sounds about right.

Sounds like the M$ public-relations people.  Look at the number of 
severe holes in each OS that you know about, the rate of propogation, 
and the ease with which they can be closed.  Then decide how much 
risk you want to take.

	paul
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Message: 2
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Junkyard mega-wars
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:56:05 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It' happened over here a few times...  SWMOB is into them too, I only catch
the argumentative bits!!
PhilN
-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Peter <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 27 November 2001 18:23
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Junkyard mega-wars

>
>> There is a popular show in the UK called "Changing Rooms."  In this show,
>> two pairs of
>> people, neighbors usually, exchange houses for two days and remodel one
>room
>> in
>> the house.
>
>TLC, which broadcasts JYWs also has a show called Trading Spaces.  Same
>concept, been on for a couple years.  SWMBO loves it.  I think most of what
>they do to each others home is pure garbage.  I would love to see an
episode
>where the people really hate what has been done.
>Pete
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Message: 3
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] computer attack, (very) little rover content
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:59:24 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm with you, Adrian.  I still run W95 on a P120 with Outlook 4.72.
Scripting off, full-file names on, and auto-preview off.  I've not caught
anything, as anything ending .pif is immediately obvios as are .vbs etc etc
etc..... It's the default everything on installations that get caught....
PhilN
-----Original Message-----
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 27 November 2001 20:32
Subject: [lro] computer attack, (very) little rover content

>
>If internet explorer 6 is the equivalent of a range rover, then maybe
>netscape 4.73 - without all the bells and whistles - as a bog standard
>series wagon - is the better solution in this virus ridden world - no
>tricks, not too much of the software deciding what you want to do or
>where you want to go - or what you want to open. Since I got tied to the
>net in 1993, I have never had a virus download itself - the few attatcks
>which we have suffered, were in the days when I clicked on anything
>which looked interesting - the perpetrators only had to write a subject
>like "Check this out" or "I thought this would interest you" and I'd be
>happily subscribing to a six day fdisk and reinstall of several
>platforms.
>
>Since then I have learnt the hard way - don't let software do the
>opening for me, don't open anything which I don't recognise.
>
>Why doesn't someone make a message filter which allow you to
>immediatelyt trash any mail which has an attatchment but no text body -
>that would fell about 85% of the strikes which we at present fend off by
>hand.
>
>That's my pennyworth on the rover-relevant virus thingy....
>
>:-)
>
>Adrian Redmond
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Message: 4
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:49:45 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hall [mailto:[email-masked]]

I don't think there has been an argument on bull bars, but we could 
start one ;)

Yes, let's do that.

How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I have
on the Rangie (Origin unknown) is so flimsy it wouldn't stop an anaemic
sheep let alone a bull. The centre portion isn't too bad, but the ends just
bend back if struck by anything greater than a small bush. I think that to
be properly effective the "bull" bar would be so heavy it would compomise
the performance of the vehicle. The North American term "brush bar" is far
more appropriate. Most are decorative only and propably never see anything
worse than a shopping cart. Opinions?

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Message: 5
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Onan Genset welder - little rover content
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:08:11 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If you want to step up the output speed from the PTO you will need a shaft
and gearbox (spare transfercase in low range, but working as a step up).
To transfer 16HP via a belt(s) would require multiple VEE belts or a large
toothed belt and the side loads imposed by a direct drive would be too much
for the bearings in the PTO. How big is the generator portion of the welder?
Where do you plan to mount it?

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:21:05 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] cart guards
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My Toyota had a 3 piece shopping cart deflector. I took it off but may put the
center portion back on as it was a useful spot to tie onto (small boat painters
and the like). The only othe purpose I used it for was as a grab bar for
extracting myself from below the engine bay. Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my!
Are there things out "there" that are worse than shopping carts? Oh the
horrors! Have you ever seen a fully loaded shopping cart being piloted by a
frenzied maniacal Holiday season shopper? How about the carts at those bulk
stores? Some of those suckers have 6 wheels!

> Most are decorative only and propably never see anything
> worse than a shopping cart. Opinions?

As for our land rover I'd prolly get some front bumper bumperettes/over riders
or whatever they're called if they were free or very cheap. They too would
prove useful n deflecting errant shopping carts.

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Message: 7
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] virus attack
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:24:04 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Killed the nasty bugger!  It turns out to be a new variant of an old
worm that was first discovered only three days ago.  Easy to get rid
of and it carries no destructive payload.

Sorry if you were infected via my system, but it was replicating
itself before I could get logged off.  I'll give Ray at Wise Owl a
call this morning and see if I can help him get rid of it.  If anybody
else needs help, drop me a line.

Lonn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: "Land Rover" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:35 AM
Subject: [lro] virus attack

>
> Those of you whom are using a MS product have no doubt discovered a
> nasty virus this morning.  An e-mail from WiseOwl with an attachment
> bypassed my viruschecker and self-deployed when I tried to delete it
> manually.  I hate the people who do this shit.
>
> I know it is mailing itself out on my system but it evades the
newest
> McAfee virusscan DAT files completely.
>
> Off for now!
>
> Lonn
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:43:29 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Onan Genset welder - little rover content
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The gearing bit is the simplest. Run the gearbox in 4th so the out put
is 1;1 then have the pulley on the PTO shaft twice as big as the one on
the generator. at 1500 rpm on the engine the gen. would turn at 3000.
If a chain drive were used the side loading on the bearings would be
much reduced. #60 chain would be lot strong enough and easy enough to
fine the bits for.
John and Muddy  

Easton Trevor A wrote:
> 
> If you want to step up the output speed from the PTO you will need a shaft
> and gearbox (spare transfercase in low range, but working as a step up).
> To transfer 16HP via a belt(s) would require multiple VEE belts or a large
> toothed belt and the side loads imposed by a direct drive would be too much
> for the bearings in the PTO. How big is the generator portion of the welder?
> Where do you plan to mount it?
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:17:15 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Fauna fenders - a load of old bull & bush?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Given that the front end of a Land Rover is about as aerodynamic as a
cricket bat, I fail to see how being hit by a bull-bar bearing rover or
just the stock galvanised fender/wings/breakfast (or if low enough,
front axle) would make any substantial difference.

In the often emotive bull-bar debate, I think many people are comparing
the impact of a high-bodied four-wheel drive with bull-bar with a low
profile, smoothly curved and PVC trimmed family saloon; and reaching the
conclusion that the saloon is less damaging on traffic victims because
it doesn't have a bull bar - which is obviously a mistaken conclusion.

I think that any study of the merits/demerits of bull/bush bars would
have to compare the damage inflicted at various speeds and angles to
test objects of diffrent heights - using identical vehicles with and
without the bar.

We dont see too many stampeding rhinos on the highways and malls here in
denmark, but for off road use - or merely to protect the vehicle from
low velocity bumps and scrapes - (read: other vehicles reversing into
them) then the bull/bush bar is probably useful - I just have never
gotten around to fitting one.

But it's also a question of image. I have worn combat trousers and
fishermens vests for years - because they have the pockets for all the
junk which I need to carry. But as the leisure community seems to have
adopdted the chosen attire of the great white hunter or war reporter, I
feel less like dressing like them - same with bull bars, as they become
an almost symbol of the urban explorer on his or her saturday morning
safari, the bull/bush bar becomes a less attractive accessory.

One day maybe...

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:57:24 -0500
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Easton Trevor A wrote:
 
> Yes, let's do that.
> 
> How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I have
> on the Rangie (Origin unknown) is so flimsy it wouldn't stop an anaemic
> sheep let alone a bull. The centre portion isn't too bad, but the ends just
> bend back if struck by anything greater than a small bush. I think that to
> be properly effective the "bull" bar would be so heavy it would compomise
> the performance of the vehicle. The North American term "brush bar" is far
> more appropriate. Most are decorative only and propably never see anything
> worse than a shopping cart. Opinions?

I took a look at the bullbar options for my Trooper from J.C. Whitless
(I hit a large deer at 65mph last winter so this is a particularly sore
point with me).  First option, for about $205, made no mention of 
sturdiness or suitability for impact--but the fact that the ad copy says
"modular construction" is indicative of what you'd get, i.e. junk.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=150691&BQ=jcw2

However the second one -- at a commensurately higher price of $419 --
was definitely a serious option.  Bolted to the frame, much thicker 
steel throughout the construction, etc.  Even the ad text says it's
designed to protect from "brush and road debris" (in the state of
Pennsylvania, a deer is considered to lie in the latter category).
It's also a 1-piece, all-welded unit.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=61357&BQ=jcw2

As you note, though, both models hang in space at the end.  It's
anyone's guess how easy they are to bend during corner impacts.

So it appears there are models for [male?] display only (insert
Tim Allen-style "uh-uhh-uhhh-uhhh..." noises here) and others for 
serious use.  Gee, wonder which type most people end up buying?

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:21:26 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Power steering assembly
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks for the tip.  Do you know where I can get a steering box.  Which one does
it have to be?  Is it only the Scout II box that works? I need one before the 17th
Dec.  That is when the work starts.
Kind regards,
Mark

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >Sorry,
> >    Wrong terminology.  I need the big heavy metal part that bolts to the
> >chassis.  Is it called the "gearbox"?
>
> Steering box.
>
> >By the way TeriAnn, I just printed the
> >instruction on how to install one of those from your excellent site.  Thanks.
>
> Just as an aside I think the 8-1/2 inch steering arm length might be a
> bit long for many instillations.  Mine measured out to be 7-1/2 inches
> centre of hole to centre of hole.  I think shorter may actually work
> better yet.  Best to use the measuring method for determining the length
> for your car.  But be sure the wheel stops are adjusted properly as they
> will affect the measurement as well as the wheels & tyres you have
> mounted.
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
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>
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>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:15:32 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "Robert A. Virzi" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I have
>on the Rangie (Origin unknown) is so flimsy it wouldn't stop an anaemic
>sheep let alone a bull. The centre portion isn't too bad, but the ends just
>bend back if struck by anything greater than a small bush. I think that to
>be properly effective the "bull" bar would be so heavy it would compomise
>the performance of the vehicle. The North American term "brush bar" is far
>more appropriate. Most are decorative only and propably never see anything
>worse than a shopping cart. Opinions?

Gee, I think the ARB bull bar I have on my disco is pretty solid, 
even out at the edges.  The top bar (2") wraps around and buries into 
the bumper at the corners, making it very solid.  I clipped a boulder 
with the corner at low speed.  Score bar 1, rock 0.  Just bounced off 
with a few sparks and chips from the rock.  I doubt a deer would do 
more than leave a stain.

This is the non-airbag variety.  It mounts solidly to the frame rails.
		-Bob

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:38:47 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>  > Yes, let's do that.
>  >
>  > How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I have

<snip>

>  > worse than a shopping cart. Opinions?

I have long questioned the value (other than cosmetic breeding 
plumage) of such accessories.

In more than 30 years of Land Roving I have yet to find that I needed 
any front protection.  Every other bit has had at least one impact 
over the years but the never the front except when I so intended.

I find that weight is my biggest enemy ( well my weight AND the Land 
Rover's weight) off road.  Therefore, with the exception of some skid 
plates for underside protection, I use no such permanently mounted 
equipment on my Land Rovers.

just my 2 kroner

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*** "If men had wings and bore black feathers, few of them would be 
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Message: 14
Subject: Re: [lro] Power steering assembly
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 01 09:19:12 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Do you know where I can get a steering box.  Which 
>one does it have to be?  Is it only the Scout II box that works?

You can make anything fit if your fabrication skills are good enough.  
The Scout II steering box conversion is becoming popular because it fits 
the best of any so far tried.  That and it is the only conversion that is 
documented and out on the web that I know of.

I got mine at a wrecking yard and I suspect that is where many people got 
theirs.  If you want a new one  there is a link in my web page dealing 
with the power steering conversion that goes to a company that will be 
happy to sell you a new steering box.  And a very good one at that.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 15
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 01 09:37:07 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>> How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I have
>I have long questioned the value (other than cosmetic breeding 
>plumage) of such accessories.

I've never quite understood the need for thos big heavy bars ether.

I have what in comparison could be refered to as twin baby calf bars.  At 
each corner I have a 1 inch steel water pipe that extends vertically from 
the outer end of the bumper to just above the height of the wing.

The primary purpose is to protect the thin aluminum wing corners from 
being whacked by brush and low side branches.  They are cheap, easily 
replacable, weigh in at around a couple pounds each and seem to do the 
job of keeping my wing corners from taking the initial bush impact.  But 
I have a fondness for driving brush overgrown trails when I come across 
them.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:54:23 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> >> How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I have
> >I have long questioned the value (other than cosmetic breeding
> >plumage) of such accessories.

Well, in Australia they're pretty much required in the outback because of 
the roos. And they look macho. So obviously they must be needed EVERYWHERE.

Keith

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:26 -0700
To: [email-masked], "lro-koan.team.net" <[email-masked]>
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Lion's Back for sale!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I was in Moab yesterday and saw a realty sign on the Lion's Back 
campground. The land also includes the Dump Bump.

So, who wants a unique piece of land?

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:20:14 -0700
To: "lro-koan.team.net" <[email-masked]>
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Lion's Back for sale!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here's the listing:
 >#4514 RARE OPPORTUNITY!! Lion's Back
 >Campark! 80 Acres bordering sand flats, on the
 >way to Slick Rock Trail. Huge potential! Long
 >term lease -Must See!! $1,800,000 Call Kelly

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Message: 19
From: "Neil Brownlee" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:25:38 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<humour mode ON>

Hey! Look I like to take my MTV (tm) to Tesco and play with the
trolleys...you mean you've never been trolley bowling?! Simple game, just
drive round and round the car park until you see a lone trolley then try and
herd it with your MTV (tm) towards the rest of them. Extra points are given
for a long distance shove....

<humour mode OFF>

To be honest, I agree, but I don't have a bullbar on Piglet........

-------------------------------------------------------------

Neil (#150)

1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet'
1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch
Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side
Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks,
Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85/16  Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's, WH
Wheelcarriers Diff Guards, JE Engineering 4 Tailpipe SS Exhaust, Safari
Snorkel
1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty'

http://www.PigletV8i.org.uk
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Message: 20
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:48:41 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Junkyard mega-wars
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Junkyard mega-wars
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:17:00 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>> There is a popular show in the UK called "Changing Rooms."

>TLC, which broadcasts JYWs also has a show called Trading Spaces.  Same
concept, been on for a couple years.  SWMBO loves it.  I think most of what
they do to each others home is pure garbage.  I would love to see an episode
where the people really hate what has been done.

Those of you lucky enough to have BBC America (about the only 
channel worth watching these days in my opinion) can see the Changing 
Rooms shows, which are currently running almost every evening.  If your 
wife likes the Trading Spaces show, she'll probably love 
Changing Rooms, as they try to add controversy and so on to 
heighten viewer interest.  My wife has seen the Trading Spaces 
show, and she feels it is a very distant echo of Changing Rooms, 
which she believes is far superior.  Most American 
shows of this type are too politically correct to be much fun 
to watch.  The British don't seem to pull any punches about 
anything.  Plus they're allowed to swear on the air.  And there 
have been some very unhappy neighbors on Changing Rooms.  
Not many, but the show 
has actually been sued by some participants for what they felt 
was a horribly executed makeover.

Another excellent BBC show if you like gardening, is called 
Ground Force.  Unlike Changing Rooms, the Ground 
Force team does not have a huge off-camera backup squad 
ready to help with the hard bits.  Ground Force is led by 
Allen Titchmarsh (sp?), an excellent and renown UK gardening 
expert with a great live-camera personality.  He and the three 
other members of his team make over a garden in two days.  
Again, there are American copies, but they are boring and 
pathetic compared to the real thing.  Excellent show, very 
well done, very worth watching if you enjoy gardening and 
garden design.  Plus the banter among the team members 
is a lot of fun, even if you aren't all that into the gardening 
aspect.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:52:59 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Oh, way too fun.

'scuse me, I have to go out to the supermarket.

Keith

At 11:25 11/28/01, you wrote:

><humour mode ON>
>
>Hey! Look I like to take my MTV (tm) to Tesco and play with the
>trolleys...you mean you've never been trolley bowling?! Simple game, just
>drive round and round the car park until you see a lone trolley then try and
>herd it with your MTV (tm) towards the rest of them. Extra points are given
>for a long distance shove....
>
><humour mode OFF>

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Message: 22
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:01:20 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've had a relatively tough, straight across bull bar on Huli for years.  
Not a massive ARB style but bigger diameter tubing than the typical RR/Disco 
bar.  Believe it came from AB but have seen similar types advertized other 
places.  It was strong enough to keep brush from rearranging the fenders.  
Actually nearly had a chance to check its effectiveness against an amorous 
bull.  Fortunately, the bull came to its senses before the test was a 
reality.  The bar gave its life in protecting the hood and breakfast in the 
'endo' that I stupidly got involved in.  The central and left part of the 
bar are still good to go but the right outer tubing is a bit mangled along 
with the stock bumper.  Only damage in the roll was the right fender, 
bulkhead, windshield, frame outriggers and top.  The breakfast, left fender, 
and hood came through unscathed.  I allowed speed to build going in reverse, 
hit a berm and kind of did a cork screw end over.  Force of landing was 
taken by the bar, and top.  Bar came through much better than the top and 
rest of Rover.

On my next Roo bar will weld it to the bumper at the outside ala ARB.  
Occasionally brush would slip between the bumper and the outer bar and tweak 
the fenders on mine.  Looks like this would be a typical problem with the 
usual RR/Disco bar, also.  Also will run a support bar down the side of the 
truck from the top of the bar to the bulkhead outrigger.  This will give 
additional protection to the fenders from side hits and stabilize the Roo 
bar fore and aft.  Have seen this on several bars from OZ and Kiwi land.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:54:23 -0700
>
>
>> >> How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I 
>>have
>> >I have long questioned the value (other than cosmetic breeding
>> >plumage) of such accessories.
>
>Well, in Australia they're pretty much required in the outback because of
>the roos. And they look macho. So obviously they must be needed EVERYWHERE.
>
>Keith
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Message: 23
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:10:36 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Rochester carb and air cleaners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:42:51 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Rochester carb and air cleaners
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>As I said, I haven't had the chance to really run the Rochester long term
(only a few hundred miles) and haven't been able to take a look at how
things have changed yet.  I do know that it's significantly better then the
old Solex which had become a serious fire hazard at the time that I pulled
it off.  I also certain that ANY newer/rebuilt carburetor would give me
better performance right now.

I really liked the Rochester for its simplicity and reliability.  In that
regard, 
it is much better than the Zenith, and the Rochester's design and
construction 
is such that it won't do odd things like warp over time.  So I had 
no complaints about the physical aspects of the carburetor.  The 
fuel consumption and hotter-burning mixture were the two properties, 
at least of the one I have, that led me to switch back to the Zenith after a

couple of years. As my engine has not been rebuilt (yet) with hardened 
valve seats and stellite valves, I am leery of doing anything that will 
raise the cylinder temperatures even more, and thus increase the 
risk of valve recession or anything else that will hasten the day when 
I have to convert the thing.  Perhaps higher cylinder temperatures are 
not such a potential problem with an unleaded head.

As to the air intake elbow contacting the underside of the bonnet, I expect 
that was a function of the adapter used to mate the carburetor to the
manifold.  
The conversion kit being sold by Atlantic British (California) in the late
1970s 
placed the carburetor high enough that the only way to avoid hitting the 
underside of the bonnet was to cut down the lower extension of the elbow, 
and even then the clearance was minimal.  Perhaps there are other adapters 
available now that don't raise the carburetor as high, and the stock elbow 
can be used with no problems.  Also, this was on a Series III with the 
non-rolled bonnet.  It may be that the so-called "deluxe" bonnet, the 
one with the rolled leading edge and depression for the spare tire has more 
underhood clearance than the (better looking in my opinion) "flat" 
bonnet.

The Rochester will certainly be an improvement over a faulty carburetor 
of any other type.  But in the long run, it's my opinion that the 
Zenith is a better unit for the 2.25 engine IF you get one that operates 
as advertised.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 24
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Junkyard mega-wars
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:09:57 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin wrote: >>> Ground Force is led by
> Allen Titchmarsh (sp?), an excellent and renown UK gardening
> expert with a great live-camera personality.  He and the three
> other members of his team make over a garden in two days.
> Again, there are American copies, but they are boring and
> pathetic compared to the real thing.  Excellent show, very
> well done, very worth watching if you enjoy gardening and
> garden design.<<<

Alan has only two other helpers - or are you counting the female (Charlie
Dimmock) presenter's er... other attributes... which make the programme
must-see in the UK for blokes who aren't the least interested in gardening?
Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 25
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:41:02 +1100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Well, in Australia they're pretty much required in the outback because of
> the roos. And they look macho. So obviously they must be needed
EVERYWHERE.

Hey! I resemble that remark.
http://www.apsilon.com/matt/images/lr/left34.jpg

To be honest it was on there when I bought it a bit over a month ago. It
appears very solid and therefore heavy. I plan on removing it as I just
don't need it but do want something, I just haven't found it yet.

Would it stop a bull or a roo? At low speed probably. At high speed? On the
up side other motorists give me plenty of room :)

Matt.
Sydney Australia
'75 Series III 88

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Message: 26
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:48:28 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Well, in Australia they're pretty much required in the outback because of
> the roos. And they look macho. So obviously they must be needed
EVERYWHERE.

http://www.apsilon.com/matt/images/lr/left34.jpg

The trouble with any bar like this is that an impact at the top is magnified
into a huge bending moment at the bottom. I've seen Roo bars that included
over the bonnet braces to the roof rack. I think the idea is that the
leaping roo is deflected up and over leaving just a little gore to be washed
off the windscreen. Rather than coming over the bonnet and into the vehicle
where it creates havoc trying to get out.

On a similar note I heard a hilarious 911 call a few days ago. The caller
had hit a deer and loaded the "dead" carcass in the back seat. The actually
unconcious deer had awoken to turn and bite the called who had stopped at a
7/11 gas bar to call for help where he was trapped in the phone booth by the
gas bar's guard dog. meanwhile the deer was trashing his car interior as it
tried to escape.

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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:51:44 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

By jeesum looks like you could stand your rig on its nose to save parking
space! Cripes! I'd say it would stop a bison!

apsilon wrote:

> > Well, in Australia they're pretty much required in the outback because of
> > the roos. And they look macho. So obviously they must be needed
> EVERYWHERE.
>
> Hey! I resemble that remark.
> http://www.apsilon.com/matt/images/lr/left34.jpg
>
> To be honest it was on there when I bought it a bit over a month ago. It
> appears very solid and therefore heavy. I plan on removing it as I just
> don't need it but do want something, I just haven't found it yet.
>
> Would it stop a bull or a roo? At low speed probably. At high speed? On the
> up side other motorists give me plenty of room :)
>
> Matt.
> Sydney Australia
> '75 Series III 88
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 28
Subject: RE: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 01 12:18:38 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>On a similar note I heard a hilarious 911 call a few days ago. The caller
>had hit a deer and loaded the "dead" carcass in the back seat. The actually
>unconcious deer had awoken to turn and bite the caller

I always subscribed to the idea of field dressing the deer before loading 
it.  Less weight to deal with and no suprises.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:30:12 -0500
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> 
> >On a similar note I heard a hilarious 911 call a few days ago. The caller
> >had hit a deer and loaded the "dead" carcass in the back seat. The actually
> >unconcious deer had awoken to turn and bite the caller
> 
> I always subscribed to the idea of field dressing the deer before loading
> it.  Less weight to deal with and no suprises.

Actually, the 911 call in question is a classic urban legend (but also
very funny if you ever get to hear it).

http://www.snopes2.com/critters/farce/deaddeer.htm for more info.

dj

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Message: 30
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 28 Nov 2001 15:31:55 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 12:37, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> 
> >> How many of these supposed "bull" bars are just that BULL. The unit I have
> >I have long questioned the value (other than cosmetic breeding 
> >plumage) of such accessories.
> 
> I've never quite understood the need for thos big heavy bars ether.

I dont think my bar would take the impact of a bull, or a roo or
probably a baby calf. It does give a nice spot to sit on when in the
sun, and its handy for climbing/leaning on when working on the engine
bay without having to lean on the wings that Im always afraid is going
to leave a permanent scratch... So perhaps I dont have a bullbar but a
nick-bar?  (yes, full pun intended)

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Message: 31
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:41:37 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Danger [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:32 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders

 So perhaps I dont have a bullbar but a
nick-bar?  (yes, full pun intended)

Or is it a Danger bar

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Message: 32
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:52:54 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Not urban legend
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Once driving home in a non Land Rover in England at night on a quiet country
road, I saw a blob sitting in the middle of the narrow lane. As I approached I
slowed and saw that it was an owl. I stopped in the middle of the road and
walked around the side keeping out of the light. I thought it was dazed or
stunned after bouncing off a windshield or something because it was just sitting
there very owl-like and hunched.  I slowly approached it from the dark side and
picked it up.  I put in on my coat on the passenger seat and drove off.  It was
alive and occasionally blinked and looked around but hardly moved.
Suddenly about 10 miniutes later it exploded into life and took off around the
inside of the car.  I was trying to drive whilst the car was full of wingbeats
and talons and feathers.  It was everywhere at once and I was steering like mad
as it flew and clawed around and around. I managed to wind down the window and
on one lap it was sucked out into the night and was gone probably to sit stunned
on the road a while.  I left it to it and made a mental note not to pick up
strange night creatures with long wings and sharp claws again unless they are
dead.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >On a similar note I heard a hilarious 911 call a few days ago. The caller
> >had hit a deer and loaded the "dead" carcass in the back seat. The actually
> >unconcious deer had awoken to turn and bite the caller
>
> I always subscribed to the idea of field dressing the deer before loading
> it.  Less weight to deal with and no suprises.
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
>
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 33
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:43:58 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The trouble with any bar like this is that an impact at the top is magnified
>into a huge bending moment at the bottom. I've seen Roo bars that included
>over the bonnet braces to the roof rack. I think the idea is that the
>leaping roo is deflected up and over leaving just a little gore to be washed
>off the windscreen.

No, the idea is to keep the roo from going up. It's supposed to deflect the 
roo down. Yes, the bar may take some damage - but it's a lot easier to 
replace the bar than it is the front end of the vehicle and the driver. In 
fact, there was a time when it was reasonably common to see a bar made of 
clear plastic tubes. The idea was for the bar to sacrifice itself while 
absorbing impact - like a crumple zone.

>Rather than coming over the bonnet and into the vehicle
>where it creates havoc trying to get out.

"Trying to get out"? Do you have any idea how big a full-grown boomer is? 
If you get one into the windshield, you and the roo are dead from the 
impact. Think really big deer or a small moose.

Keith

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Message: 34
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Junkyard mega-wars
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:20:31 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Those of you lucky enough to have BBC America (about the only 
> channel worth watching these days in my opinion) can see the Changing 
> Rooms shows, which are currently running almost every evening.  

I will check the listings.  Our cable company does carry BBC here.

Pete

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Message: 35
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:32:22 -0800 (PST)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] no LR content, but looking for a quote
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Scott Wickham <[email-masked]> wrote:
 Someone wrote a quote something like, 'sometimes
> even
> honest men have to slash some throats' or there abouts.  Anyone know
> the
> exact wording?

I was using this as my sig file for spell...

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." 
- Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956) 

Now I just use it as a mantra...

dave

=====
DaveB
Arlington, VA
"GreenHELL" '72 SIII 88"- "Unstoppable"
"Red Square" '60 SII 109"- "Purrs like a (leaky) kitten" 

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Message: 36
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:34:35 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> http://www.apsilon.com/matt/images/lr/left34.jpg
>
> The trouble with any bar like this is that an impact at the top is
magnified
> into a huge bending moment at the bottom

True, if doing something like this you definately need a stranger bumper,
and reinforced frame to carry the load.
http://www.aloharovers.com/brush_bar.htm
Don't have to worry about Roos, but on days like this (snowing in the
Seattle area) it helps to move off the stuck yugo/kia/geo
Pete

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Message: 37
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:55:12 -0800
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] British Tools
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anyone have any good websites or places to purchase British Standard
hand tools?  Also, I am just starting in on my new Series vehicle and was
wondering if there is any difference at all between the different British
tool types that appear to be available:  BA, BSW and BSF?  Hey, we all have
to start somewhere.  ;o)

Thank you
Brian

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Message: 38
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:08:57 +0100
From: Edit 2 <[email-masked]>
Organization: Channel 6 Television Denmark
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] British Tools
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I bought a great set of English spanners/sockets in WalMart in
Anchorage, AK, so I guess they are available in the US!

Adrian Redmond

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Message: 39
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:05:03 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Not urban legend
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 12:52 PM -0800 11/28/01, Mark Pilkington wrote:
>Once driving home in a non Land Rover in England at night on a quiet country
>road, I saw a blob sitting in the middle of the narrow lane. As I approached I
slowed and saw that it was an owl.
<snip>

That was probably a Tawny Owl.  They are known to lurk, as you noted, 
on those relatively remote country lanes and, presumably, wait for 
voles, mice, or hedgehogs to emerge from cover to become Owly snacks. 
In '97, on a drive from Sussex to Epping Forest ( in a 2.5l petrol 
D90), I encountered the scene you described twice within just a 
couple miles.  Admittedly I was looking for owls at the time.  Also 
had one other species of owl doing the same thing that evening. 
However none of them were quite as complacent as yours Mark.

Perhaps they've all been rehearsing for roles in the Harry Potter 
movie.  I understand quite a number of British owls landed jobs in 
that project.

Cheers,
Gerry Mugele    --  ("Peat" '95 D90 SW)

***  They say  "Great Discoveries are made by not following 
instructions."   Does this explain Land Rover assembly line practices? 

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Message: 40
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:06:20 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Not urban legend
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Laughing Out Loud!

Ron W.

>>> [email-masked] 11/28/01 03:52PM >>>

Once driving home in a non Land Rover in England at night on a quiet country
road, I saw a blob sitting in the middle of the narrow lane. As I approached I
slowed and saw that it was an owl. I stopped in the middle of the road and
walked around the side keeping out of the light. I thought it was dazed or
stunned after bouncing off a windshield or something because it was just sitting
there very owl-like and hunched.  I slowly approached it from the dark side and
picked it up.  I put in on my coat on the passenger seat and drove off.  It was
alive and occasionally blinked and looked around but hardly moved.
Suddenly about 10 miniutes later it exploded into life and took off around the
inside of the car.  I was trying to drive whilst the car was full of wingbeats
and talons and feathers.  It was everywhere at once and I was steering like mad
as it flew and clawed around and around. I managed to wind down the window and
on one lap it was sucked out into the night and was gone probably to sit stunned
on the road a while.  I left it to it and made a mental note not to pick up
strange night creatures with long wings and sharp claws again unless they are
dead.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >On a similar note I heard a hilarious 911 call a few days ago. The caller
> >had hit a deer and loaded the "dead" carcass in the back seat. The actually
> >unconcious deer had awoken to turn and bite the caller
>
> I always subscribed to the idea of field dressing the deer before loading
> it.  Less weight to deal with and no suprises.
>
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Message: 41
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] British Tools
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:20:35 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I picked up a fine set of sockets and spanners from my local British auto
parts shop.  At least they were a lot less than RN or BP, for the same "King
Dick" brand.

You'll hear people talk about finding Whitworth sized tools at Sears or
through Snap-On.  This simply isn't the case anymore.  Sears told me that
it's been many years since they were offered as a catalog item.  I tracked
down the local Snap-On guy who's been with the company for 15 years and said
that he's never seen them though he's had a few inquiries.

The is an east-coast outfit that sells King Dick online.  Do a little
careful searching and I am sure you'll find them, I think they are in MA.

Hope this helps.

Rich Williams
'60 Series II 109 sw

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: [lro] British Tools

Does anyone have any good websites or places to purchase British Standard
hand tools?  Also, I am just starting in on my new Series vehicle and was
wondering if there is any difference at all between the different British
tool types that appear to be available:  BA, BSW and BSF?  Hey, we all have
to start somewhere.  ;o)

Thank you
Brian

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Message: 42
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:20:26 -0500
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] British Tools
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Brian Horner wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any good websites or places to purchase British Standard
> hand tools?  Also, I am just starting in on my new Series vehicle and was
> wondering if there is any difference at all between the different British
> tool types that appear to be available:  BA, BSW and BSF?  Hey, we all have
> to start somewhere.  ;o)

Check out http://www.toolbankexpress.com/shop/buckandryan/ for a 
starter.  I used to go there occasionally while living in London;
the prices aren't the best but they do have a decent selection of
all sorts of fun toys (err, 'tools').  I bought a few pieces of
Britool stuff from them; seems fairly sturdy.

Also look through the general www.toolbankexpress.com site since they
have a full online store, including mechanics' tools.

Enjoy,

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

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Message: 43
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:25:26 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Fauna fenders
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 1:43 PM -0700 11/28/01, Keith Tanner wrote:
<snip?
>"Trying to get out"? Do you have any idea how big a full-grown 
>boomer is? If you get one into the windshield, you and the roo are 
>dead from the impact. Think really big deer or a small moose.

Ya know guys, they say size doesn't really matter.  8-D

It doesn't take a particularly large or even heavy animal to do some 
serious damage to a vehicle or it's occupants.  Some years back I was 
nearly knocked completely off my motorcycle in an impact with a 
Red-winged Blackbird.  These birds only weigh about about 50g (<2 
oz.) but at 80 MPH it was literally stunning.

To amplify the point: in the early 50s Mercedes began outfitting 
their entries in the Pan American Road Race with half a dozen very 
substantial steel bars mounted vertically across the windshield. 
This was their response to having two of their drivers killed in a 
collision.  They were somewhere in Mexico in a nice Silver 300SL 
doing well over 100 MPH when a large bird went through the 
windshield.  It killed everybody involved instantly.  The bird was 
variously described as a Turkey Vulture, Black Vulture or Cara-Cara - 
whichever it was, it probably would only have weighed between one and 
two kilos and that would have been spread over an area about 6 feet 
across.

It doesn't take a whole lot to do some real damage.  Imagine how much 
armor you'd really need to provide effective protection.

Cheers,
Gerry Mugele    --  ("Peat" '95 D90 SW)

***  They say  "Great Discoveries are made by not following 
instructions."   Does this explain Land Rover assembly line practices? 

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Message: 44
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Onan Genset welder - little rover content
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:51:04 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thank you for all the replies, looks like it won't be land rover PTO powered
after all.

I picked up the beast-welder tonight, and it is much lighter than I
originally thought, and much newer-looking than it was under the pile of
rubbish that was shielding it from the elements. It is a canox - lincoln
machine, and it appears to be in good knick, other than the motor. I had a
good look at the powerhead and attempted to deduce what had happened by how
the ex-owner had done his diagnostics, and the overall condition of the
motor.... here's what I found...

The oil looks relatively clean, it does not smell burnt, and it was at the
right level. The compression strokes seem weak, but it is a fairly boring 2
cyl air cooled motor so I'm unsure if this is normal or not - it may still
be OK. The wiring has been thoroughly destroyed, so I am guessing the
magneto ignition is buggered. I'll have to do an exploratory to it.

The engine's main bearings do in fact act as the other support bearings for
the rotor - thanks for the tip.

Anyways, very pleased by my find, I'll probably simply try and get this
motor running, it appears to be better than I thought...

Thanks all...

J-L

----- Original Message -----
From: John Cranfield <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Onan Genset welder - little rover content

>
> The gearing bit is the simplest. Run the gearbox in 4th so the out put
> is 1;1 then have the pulley on the PTO shaft twice as big as the one on
> the generator. at 1500 rpm on the engine the gen. would turn at 3000.
> If a chain drive were used the side loading on the bearings would be
> much reduced. #60 chain would be lot strong enough and easy enough to
> fine the bits for.
> John and Muddy
>
> Easton Trevor A wrote:
> >
> > If you want to step up the output speed from the PTO you will need a
shaft
> > and gearbox (spare transfercase in low range, but working as a step up).
> > To transfer 16HP via a belt(s) would require multiple VEE belts or a
large
> > toothed belt and the side loads imposed by a direct drive would be too
much
> > for the bearings in the PTO. How big is the generator portion of the
welder?
> > Where do you plan to mount it?
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Message: 45
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] British Tools
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:58:25 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I bought a couple of Whitworth/BS sockets through the local SnapOn dealer.  
It took him a little bit of searching to find them in his catalogue but he 
did find them.  He ordered them and they came in in a matter of days.  They 
were quite reasonably priced, also, if anything from SnapOn can be called 
reasonably priced.

This was about 3-4 years ago so they may no longer carry Brit. sized tools 
but they have in the recent past.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] British Tools
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:20:35 -0800
>
>
>I picked up a fine set of sockets and spanners from my local British auto
>parts shop.  At least they were a lot less than RN or BP, for the same 
>"King
>Dick" brand.
>
>You'll hear people talk about finding Whitworth sized tools at Sears or
>through Snap-On.  This simply isn't the case anymore.  Sears told me that
>it's been many years since they were offered as a catalog item.  I tracked
>down the local Snap-On guy who's been with the company for 15 years and 
>said
>that he's never seen them though he's had a few inquiries.
>
>The is an east-coast outfit that sells King Dick online.  Do a little
>careful searching and I am sure you'll find them, I think they are in MA.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Rich Williams
>'60 Series II 109 sw
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Horner <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:55 PM
>Subject: [lro] British Tools
>
>
>
>Does anyone have any good websites or places to purchase British Standard
>hand tools?  Also, I am just starting in on my new Series vehicle and was
>wondering if there is any difference at all between the different British
>tool types that appear to be available:  BA, BSW and BSF?  Hey, we all have
>to start somewhere.  ;o)
>
>Thank you
>Brian
>
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Message: 46
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:00:02 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Aside from the fact that they look cool, I think they are handy off-road. As 
for stopping damage from an animal, well, look at the great huge things they 
stick on their trucks in OZ and you'll see what's required. The more common 
and astheticly pleasing ones are better for low speed collisions. When 
off-road around here, you often find yourself in deep ruts and leaning into 
a bank. A decent bullbar will protect you in this sort of situation or when 
accidentally bumping a tree or similar object when manouvering on the trail.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 47
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fauna fenders
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:07:02 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Matt, I reckon when you take that off you'll double your speed and triple 
your fuel mileage ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
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Message: 48
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:56:44 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] British Tools
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 11/28/2001 4:58:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< oes anyone have any good websites or places to purchase British Standard
 hand tools?  Also, I am just starting in on my new Series vehicle and was
 wondering if there is any difference at all between the different British
 tool types that appear to be available:  BA, BSW and BSF?  Hey, we all have
 to start somewhere.  ;o) >>

Check out 

http://www.britishmetrics.com/

They are about 20 minutes from my house and they have virtually anything you 
could imagine, usually in stock.

Also, you could try:  <A HREF="http://mdmetric.com/">http://mdmetric.com/</A> 
 They were kind of jerky to me, but they also carry a large inventory.

Nate 

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Message: 49
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] no LR content, but looking for a quote
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:05:14 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Every normal man must be tempted at times ...

  That's the one.  Thank you.

Scooter

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Message: 50
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:03:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [lro] Not urban legend
From: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark, I did this with several loons, in a ice storm.  The inside of a
88SW gets real small real fast with 3 excited loons in it.  That was one
night I was very glad I lived on the roof of a liquor store.  

Thanks for another great story

Chris

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