Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #160 - 20 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Re: Brake questions (revised) (Ian Stuart)
   2. Re: Re: more heat (Alan J. Richer)
   3. Re: Fuel Sender (Alan J. Richer)
   4. Re: LWB to SWB (Rob MacCormick)
   5. 109 to 88 and racing around the desk. (Easton Trevor A)
   6. It's a bore (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
   7. Re: It's a bore (Alan J. Richer)
   8. Re: Brake questions (Faure, Marin)
   9. Re: A thank you (Faure, Marin)
  10. Re: Yes snow in Colorado ([email-masked])
  11. Re: Re: Yes snow in Colorado (Rich Williams)
  12. Re: Re: Yes snow in Colorado (Alan J. Richer)
  13. RE: Re: Yes snow in Colorado (Easton Trevor A)
  14. Re: Re: Yes snow in Colorado (Keith Tanner)
  15. Re: Re: Yes snow in Colorado (Rich Williams)
  16. Re: Re: Yes snow in Colorado (Rich Williams)
  17. Re: Re: more heat (Mark  Love)
  18. IIb Info (Monika & Steve Rochna)
  19. IIb Info (Monika & Steve Rochna)
  20. Re: IIb Info (William J. Rice)

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Message: 1
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Brake questions (revised)
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 19 Nov 2001 10:07:55 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Sun, 2001-11-18 at 17:20, C. Marin Faure wrote:

> >My question is can the front brakes be moved to the rear?
> 
> In a previous answer, I stated I was pretty sure the front and rear
> components of a Model 88 are the same.  I should have clarified that I'm
> talking about a 1973 Series III-88 with vacuum boosted, dual-circuit
> brakes.  On this model, the front and rear brake cylinders are, if I recall
> correctly, the same size.  This may not be the case with a non-boosted, or
> single-circuit Series III, or a different Series model altogether.
To clarify (ish.. - I don't have the parts manual to hand...)

Things changed in 1980, however (either before or after - I think
after.. someone can look it up) the brakes were the same front and rear.
Also after 1980, the 88 and the 109's had the same system at the rear,
but the 109 had twin [11"] leading shoes at the front, and the 2.6/3.5
vehicles had the extra-wide shoes...

-- 
--==++
Ian Stuart: Edinburgh University Data Library.
I build things: computer programs (with code); or cars (with metal)

 Personal web site: http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ 

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:22:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: more heat
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Tim Czajka <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have read that paint will actually act as an
> insulator
> and thus keep some heat from radiating out - albeit
> a
> very thin insulator.  So will some other coatings
> and
> platings.  

Agreed - radiator paint won't make much of a
difference. However, good old black Rustoleum or the
like will - it depends on the solids content.

A friend of mine who will remain nameless once painted
his radiator with several coats of commercial black
paint - to discover it didn't radiate worth a
damn...oops.

Honestly, a thin black coating likely wouldn't hurt
the thermal characteristics at all - and bleeding it
to check for air wouldn't hurt either.

          ajr

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:45:05 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fuel Sender
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Hope Peter <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I am only running the Fuel gauge though.  I have a
> capilary smiths dual
> temp/oil p gauge.  Since I not using the temp gauge
> in the triple cluster,
> could this be causing problems?

No - the single gauge should draw more than enough
current to get the damn thing to switch.

> 
> My sending unit is definately shot.

There's your answer....

> 
> All electric?  parts from the shack?  I wouldn't
> mind seeing that.
> Pete

Yup - based around a programmable voltage regulator -
1.5 amps.

Works great - designed it originally as a replacement
for the equivalent regulator in an early Rangie panel.

           Alan

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:59:50 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LWB to SWB
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark,
Just make sure the glue is dry and all the lights work before you go racing
around the desk with it!!
Rob MacCormick

Hope Peter wrote:

> > will sand and paint it.  It looks very good. I was surprised.  I was also
> > surprised at the fact that it came into 87 pieces and was very accurately
> > built.  How can they do this all for $9,95 at Costco?
> > Mark "I must have too much time and no life" Pilkington.
>
> Sounds like a great 'little' project.  Would love to see a photo when it's
> all done.
>
> Pete
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Message: 5
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:25:50 -0500
Subject: [lro] 109 to 88 and racing around the desk.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

About 12 months back I purchased a Tyco R/C model of a Subaru from Costco.
It was just right for removal of the body and installation of a 1/24 scale
SWB die cast body. Wheel base was a little too long but fits and looks OK.
It is perfect for racing around the floor (too fast for the desk). We even
had a LR race night at the club with two of these, a Defender and a Disco.
They even have a suprizingly good off road performance.

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:29:11 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] It's a bore
Reply-To: [email-masked]

C. Marin Faure" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>In a previous answer, I stated I was pretty sure the front and rear
>components of a Model 88 are the same.  I should have clarified that I'm
>talking about a 1973 Series III-88 with vacuum boosted, dual-circuit
>brakes.  On this model, the front and rear brake cylinders are, if I recall
>correctly, the same size. 

ummm...no.  The front cylinders are 1.25" while the rears have a 1" bore on
an 88.  This makes it damn cheap and easy to source replacement parts.
Last time I did a rebuild, I went to the local brake jobber who had bowls
of 'murrican-made (neoprene?) piston seals for $.25 each.  Eight years
later (with silicone fluid) I still have one pump, rock hard brakes.
(Touch wood....)

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	*------------------------------------------------------*

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:41:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] It's a bore
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> This makes it damn cheap and easy to source
> replacement parts.
> Last time I did a rebuild, I went to the local brake
> jobber who had bowls
> of 'murrican-made (neoprene?) piston seals for $.25
> each. 

Sandy, dumb question if I may. 

What did you do for the exterior rubber dust covers -
or did you reuse the old ones?

           ajr

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Message: 8
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:11:00 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Brake questions
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just checked my Rovers North catalog, and I was mistaken in my earlier 
posts.  It appears that there is a difference between the front and rear
brake 
cylinders on a Model 88.  The shoe sets are all the same, but the cylinders 
are different.  I haven't had to replace a wheel cylinder since the
mid-1980s, 
but I have replaced shoes.  So I simply assumed the cylinders were the same 
all around, too.  Sorry.  However, I do believe the cylinders are
interchangeable 
front and rear in terms of their bolting into position.  If this is correct,
one could 
move the front cylinders to the rear, although I'm not sure how this would
affect 
the distribution of the braking forces.  Given the extremely vague
suspension, handling, 
and braking of a Series III in the best of times, I suspect there wouldn't
be all that 
much actual difference if you put front wheel cylinders on the rear,
although in theory 
you could lock a wheel on stopping with the larger cylinder as the weight
comes 
off the rear axle.  In practice, however, I don't think it would be much of
a problem.  
The Model 88 isn't very heavy to start with, the short wheelbase doesn't
encourage 
that much of a weight shift, and if you're carrying anything of a load, it's
going to be 
in the back over the rear wheels anyway, thus evening out the weight during
stopping 
even more.  In fact, if you are in the practice of carrying weight in the
back of your 
88, or you tow a trailer, putting a set of the larger front cylinders on the
rear wheels 
might actually be a Good Thing in assisting the Series' already weak and
fade-prone 
braking system.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Message: 9
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:23:46 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: A thank you
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:33:30 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: LRO LIST <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] A thank you
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Some of the list members already know that 3 weeks ago I had an accident
when using a Hi-Lift jack. This resulted in the loss of my left eye and
broken 
facial bones.

I'm very sorry to hear of your accident, and I hope you are experiencing a
speedy 
recovery.  While the loss of an eye must be a devastating thing, it
certainly doesn't 
have to be the catastrophe it may first appear to be.  Don't forget Wiley
Post, who 
despite having sight in only one eye, became one of the world's most
accomplished 
pilots.  We tend to remember him only for his fatal crash with Will Rogers
in Alaska, 
but Post in fact conducted a huge amount of aeronautical research, and many
of his 
experiments and findings are still paying off in aviation today.

Do you feel there would be any merit in describing what happened with the
jack to 
cause this accident so that others can be on guard against the same
circumstances?  I've 
been out of the country for a while, so I apologize if you've already
covered this in 
a previous edition of LRO.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Message: 10
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:43:33 EST
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tim posted:
<Yes snow in Colorado >

This is occasionally arranged during Bronco games to hype the ski industry. 

If you really have to go out and work on the Land Rover, just wait a day.  
The sun will come out, melt the snow and life goes on.  In the mountains west 
of Denver, different rules apply.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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Message: 11
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:50:18 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That's one thing I always enjoyed in Colorado - if you don't like the
weather just wait 15 minutes and it will change.

 - Rich Williams - missing Colorado & living in Seattle

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado

Tim posted:
<Yes snow in Colorado >

This is occasionally arranged during Bronco games to hype the ski industry.

If you really have to go out and work on the Land Rover, just wait a day.
The sun will come out, melt the snow and life goes on.  In the mountains
west
of Denver, different rules apply.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:54:10 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Rich Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> That's one thing I always enjoyed in Colorado - if
> you don't like the
> weather just wait 15 minutes and it will change.

Sounds a lot like New England....except the snow stays
around a LOT longer.

          aj"Winter sucks...."r

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Message: 13
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:46:36 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A valuable pre ski guide I was sent today

 10 Ways To Simulate Ski Season

(This is to remind skiers how to prepare for the ski season
 and to remind non-skiers why they do not ski.)

10. Visit your local butcher and pay $30 to sit in the
    walk-in freezer for half an hour. Afterwards, burn two
    $50 dollar bills to warm up.

 9. Go to the nearest hockey rink and walk across the ice
    20 times in your ski boots carrying two pairs of skis,
    accessory bag and poles. Pretend you are looking for your
    car.

 8. For ski boot simulation at home, put a pebble in your
    street shoes and tighten a C-clamp around your toes.

 7. Buy a pair of gloves and immediately throw one away.

 6. Go to McDonald's and insist on paying $6.50 for a
    hamburger. Be sure to wait in the longest line.

 5. Clip a lift ticket to the zipper of your jacket and
    ride a motorcycle fast enough to make the ticket
    lacerate your face.

 4. Drive slowly for five hours - anywhere - as long as
    it's in a snowstorm and you're following an 18
    wheeler.

 3. Fill a blender with ice, hit the pulse button and let
    the spray blast your face. You'd almost believe you're
    skiing in front of a snow maker!

 2. Dress up in as many clothes as you can and then proceed
    to take them off because you have to go to the bathroom.

 1. Repeat all of the above every Saturday and Sunday.

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:50:19 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Depends on where in Colorado. The weather doesn't seem to change in Grand 
Junction. Sunny. At least, that's my observation. I had my truck parked 
outside with no roof or doors for a couple of weeks before I started to 
think I might want to throw a tarp over it in case it rains.

Keith

At 11:50 11/19/01, you wrote:

>That's one thing I always enjoyed in Colorado - if you don't like the
>weather just wait 15 minutes and it will change.
>
>  - Rich Williams - missing Colorado & living in Seattle
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:43 AM
>Subject: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
>
>
>
>Tim posted:
><Yes snow in Colorado >
>
>This is occasionally arranged during Bronco games to hype the ski industry.
>
>If you really have to go out and work on the Land Rover, just wait a day.
>The sun will come out, melt the snow and life goes on.  In the mountains
>west
>of Denver, different rules apply.
>
>Paul Donohue
>1965 Land Rover 109
>Denver
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Message: 15
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:05:29 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

9. Go to the nearest hockey rink and walk across the ice
    20 times in your ski boots carrying two pairs of skis,
    accessory bag and poles. Pretend you are looking for your
    car.

BUT TURN THE LIGHTS OFF TO SIMULATE DARKNESS

 8. For ski boot simulation at home, put a pebble in your
    street shoes and tighten a C-clamp around your toes.

USE MOLEGRIPS ON THE TOES

 6. Go to McDonald's and insist on paying $6.50 for a
    hamburger. Be sure to wait in the longest line.

LET THE BURGER DROP SLIGHTLY BELOW ROOM TEMP BEFORE EATING

Why not just stay home and work on the LR - no driving in the snow and it's
a more efficient way to burn up dollars while having fun in 90wt while
you're at it - what's better than that?  Okay - don't answer.

Rich

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Message: 16
From: "Rich Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:12:45 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You're right about that Keith.  The Western Slope is much different than the
Front Range or the high mountains.  My preference really, besides it's much
closer to Moab and you don't have to go through the Eisenhower tunnel to get
there.  Makes winter trips a snap!

I remember living with a friend in Rollinsville (South of Nederland) and
listening to the 115-120 MPH winds that came off the peaks above.  No joke
either - that spot is known for the wind.  The wind chill factor puts the
temp at about 4 Kelvin =:-0 .  Then as quick as it started, it's over and
your out in shirtsleeves.  Amazing weather sometimes.

- Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado

Depends on where in Colorado. The weather doesn't seem to change in Grand
Junction. Sunny. At least, that's my observation. I had my truck parked
outside with no roof or doors for a couple of weeks before I started to
think I might want to throw a tarp over it in case it rains.

Keith

At 11:50 11/19/01, you wrote:

>That's one thing I always enjoyed in Colorado - if you don't like the
>weather just wait 15 minutes and it will change.
>
>  - Rich Williams - missing Colorado & living in Seattle
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:43 AM
>Subject: [lro] Re: Yes snow in Colorado
>
>
>
>Tim posted:
><Yes snow in Colorado >
>
>This is occasionally arranged during Bronco games to hype the ski industry.
>
>If you really have to go out and work on the Land Rover, just wait a day.
>The sun will come out, melt the snow and life goes on.  In the mountains
>west
>of Denver, different rules apply.
>
>Paul Donohue
>1965 Land Rover 109
>Denver
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Message: 17
From: "Mark  Love" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: more heat
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:01:16 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Some of you British car fans may remember Group 44 and thier racing dominance in the 70"s.
According to Brian, the engineer of the group, a coat of flat black paint increases heat
dissapation. Just one of the many tips i picked up hanging arround  racetracks in the 70's.  Mark
Love

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Message: 18
From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO Submissions" <[email-masked]>, "LRO Submissions"
  <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:18:23 -0800
Subject: [lro] IIb Info
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just came back in with the flashlight.  The rear axle of the IIB is sprung
over.  It does however have ENV axles and they do not have the pinion in the
center.  Measure your 109 driveshaftes and their angle and I;ll do the same
to let you know your compatibility - keep in mind I've removed 5 leaves from
both front and rear due to stiff ride due to lack of body (I have a frame
with a cab bottom).

Steve - Fallon, NV
1972 88
1968 110

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Message: 19
From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO Submissions" <[email-masked]>, "LRO Submissions"
  <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:18:23 -0800
Subject: [lro] IIb Info
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just came back in with the flashlight.  The rear axle of the IIB is sprung
over.  It does however have ENV axles and they do not have the pinion in the
center.  Measure your 109 driveshaftes and their angle and I;ll do the same
to let you know your compatibility - keep in mind I've removed 5 leaves from
both front and rear due to stiff ride due to lack of body (I have a frame
with a cab bottom).

Steve - Fallon, NV
1972 88
1968 110

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Message: 20
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:52:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] IIb Info
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Is that supposed to say "1968 IIB"?  I thought 110s came out somewhat
after that . . .

bill

<[email-masked]> writes:
> Steve - Fallon, NV
> 1972 88
> 1968 110

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