Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #157 - 43 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. [Fwd: [za-lro] 147] (Paul Oxley)
   2. Completely OT, US opinion sought..... (Phil Norris)
   3. Re: Completely OT, US opinion sought..... (Jeff Berg)
   4. GPS/Geocaching - liitle L-R content (Erik van Dyck)
   5. RE: Gas Tank Leaking (David Hope)
   6. Re: GPS/Geocaching - liitle L-R content (Paul Oxley)
   7. Re: Completely OT, US opinion sought..... (Paul Oxley)
   8. Re: Paul Oxley's rover photos (Hope Peter)
   9. Re: [Fwd: [za-lro] 147] (Hope Peter)
  10. Appetites (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  11. Re: Appetites (Alan J. Richer)
  12. Re: Appetites (Jeff Berg)
  13. Re: Appetites (Keith Tanner)
  14. Re: Appetites (Hope Peter)
  15. Webbers (Hope Peter)
  16. Re: Webbers (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  17. Re: Gas Tank Leaking (Mark Pilkington)
  18. Re: Webbers (John Cranfield)
  19. RE: Webbers (Easton Trevor A)
  20. Crossmember (William L Leacock)
  21. Re: Gas Tank Leaking (Faure, Marin)
  22. Re: Webbers (Hope Peter)
  23. Re: Webbers (Hope Peter)
  24. RE: Webbers (Easton Trevor A)
  25. Re: Webbers (Hope Peter)
  26. Fuel Sender (Ian Harper)
  27. Re: Webbers ([email-masked])
  28. Re: Fuel Sender (Alan J. Richer)
  29. Re: Webbers (Kirk Hillman)
  30. Re: Webbers (Hope Peter)
  31. Exhaust gas Analyser (was webbers) (Hope Peter)
  32. Re: Fuel Sender (Hope Peter)
  33. Re: Appetites (G. Mugele)
  34. RE: Exhaust gas Analyser (was webbers) (Easton Trevor A)
  35. Re: Webbers (Kirk Hillman)
  36. Re: Fuel Sender (Alan J. Richer)
  37. Re: Fuel Sender (Hope Peter)
  38. 88" weight (Hope Peter)
  39. Re: 88" weight ([email-masked])
  40. Re: 88" weight (Hope Peter)
  41. Re: Webers and coffee (Peter Ogilvie)
  42. Re: 88" weight ([email-masked])
  43. Re: Exhaust gas Analyser (was webbers) (Jim Hall)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:51:49 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: lro <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] [Fwd: [za-lro] 147]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

FYI:

Land Rover launches new high capacity Defender Station Wagon

Land Rover's continuous programme of innovation and development has
resulted
in an exciting new Defender model aimed at the exclusive game lodge and
safari market.

The Defender 147 High Capacity Station Wagon, as revealed exclusively by
Wheels24 in April (see related article above for story and pictures),
offers
unrivalled roominess with a seating configuration that can accommodate
up to
11 people.

In conjunction with Engineers from Land Rover UK, a prototype Defender
147
has been undergoing a series of "torture tests" that simulate a 10 year
life
cycle within the space of a few weeks, with the vehicle winning high
praise
for its exceptional comfort, roominess and wide-ranging abilities.

Essentially the 147 is an ultra-long wheelbase version of the iconic
Defender 110, which boasts a heavy-duty suspension, two additional doors
and
up to 40% more legroom for the second and third row passengers.

Test engineers report that the legendary ride comfort of the Defender
has
been further enhanced, with the off-road prowess of the 147 exceeding
even
the most optimistic expectations.

It is believed that as well as appealing to the demanding game lodge and
safari market, it will find favour with discerning family buyers who
aspire
to the luxury of even more stretch-out room and loadspace for extended
Land
Rover adventures.

In keeping with Land Rover tradition the 147 badge indicates the length
of
the wheelbase in inches, with the 5.3m long vehicle still fitting in a
standard garage if the spare wheel is stowed against the bulkhead in the
load area, rather than on the outside of the rear door. This vehicle
carries
Land Rover's three year / 100 000 km warranty with full parts back-up.

The prototype Defender 147 began life on the normal assembly line at the
Land Rover SA plant in Rosslyn, near Pretoria, where a substantial
amount of
the production was completed before it was transferred to the Special
Vehicle section for final assembly.

While the front and rear sections remain the same, it has grown 935mm in
total length and wheelbase. Special adaptations include an additional
door
and C-pillar on each side, along with the adoption of heavy-duty
suspension
components consisting of a 1 580kg-rated front axle, 2 200kg rear axle,
and
co-axial helper springs. High capacity steel wheels are fitted. The
units
will be powered by Land Rover's acclaimed high-efficiency and low
emissions
Td5 turbo-diesel engine.

The first 10 vehicles have been built with deliveries due to commence at
the
end of November. Retail pricing is estimated to be around the R360 000
mark,
including VAT.
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Message: 2
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: "US-LRO" <[email-masked]>, "D-90 list" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:08:57 -0000
Subject: [lro] Completely OT, US opinion sought.....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've been sent a couple of mails today from friends.  You know the sort,
passing on gossip and comments... I get a few every day.
The first one contained this:-

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?

Look on right of page for "Flight Simulator 2000 Patch - Remove WTC Towers".

What happened was terrible and tragic, no argument about that.  So why must
it be erased from memory?  Shouldn't old photo's, posters, movie and
software appearances be held as a tribute and memorial to what happened and
those who fell, so we remember?  If all images of those two amazing
buildings that stood so tall are gone, how will future generations realise
the impact of that days actions on us?
Maybe I'm not seeing it from the correct cultural viewpoint, thats why I'm
asking for another viewpoint.  I think Microsoft is trivialising the issue
acting in such a way...  They were there once, we should remember that and
part of that is having the images to remind us no?

Then a few mails later I was sent this.....

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/entertainment/DailyNews/rambo011113.html

I cannot believe thay are serious....  It beggars belief that even before
the events have unfolded and, god forbid, more military personnel of any of
our countries falls that Hollywood is cashing in...
I for one feel that a movie about a piece of history can serve well to
illustrate what happened and bring it to a wider audience to appreciate the
sacrifice that was paid. I'm watching "Band of Brothers" over here at the
moment and don't think I've ever watched anything that so vividly and
shockingly attempts to carry over the experience of what it was to be there.
But Rambo?
The first one wan't too bad, though a caracature and belittlement of a mans
experieces, the other two were just cartoon gungo-fests that again I feel
belittled a true military persons experiences and suffering.  I can't
imagine that anyone involved in SonTay (spelling?) was pariculariy happy
with the idea that one man could do their job successfully alone......
I don't know.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe I don't get the full picture...
Anyone care to comment?
Off-line of course unless a discussion is felt to be ok.....
Sent openly and in a spirit of seeking understanding, NOT flame-bait....
PhilN

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:18:22 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Completely OT, US opinion sought.....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Look on right of page for "Flight Simulator 2000 Patch - Remove WTC Towers".

There are legit reasons for removing the Twin Towers from the 
software. Pilots who use Flight Simulator as a *simulator* want the 
skyline to be realistic. Some people may not want to be reminded by 
the sight--for example people who lost friends or family in the 
attack but enjoy using the software.

As the patch is optional, I don't see anything wrong with Microsoft 
offering the option--nor are they inherently trivializing the events 
by doing so. When someone buys the rights to the "new" King Kong 
movie and digitally alters the footage so Kong is climbing some other 
building.

The Rambo thing, if real, is just plain opportunistic jingoism and poor taste.

RoverOn!

jab

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Message: 4
From: "Erik van Dyck" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:13:00 -0500
Subject: [lro] GPS/Geocaching - liitle L-R content
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nick and Herman brought up the GPS and geocaching.  I've got a Garmin 12MAP
that I have mounted against the windshield of my series truck with a
homemade mount.  The GPS spedo is much more accurate than the truck's,  the
navigation tool is great, but what I've really gotten to love is the sport
of Geocaching.
Rather than waste band width here on something off topic, go to
www.geocaching.com and delve into it there.  I've found 180 geocaches in the
last 9 months and it's become somewhat of an obsession.  I've found several
that required a 4X4 to get to, and will be placing a geocache this weekend
in conjunction with a trail ride in the North Georgia mountains.
Cheers,
Erik van Dyck
(geocaching screen name erik88L-R)
Suwanee, Georgia
'73 Ser. III  88

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:06:26 -0800 (PST)
From: David Hope <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Gas Tank Leaking
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Last year I bought an aftermarket tank from Rovers
North.  Much cheaper than genuine and both RN and I
thought it was pretty good.  No complaints so far
although I cannot remember the exact price.

David Hope
Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals
http://personals.yahoo.com

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:49:03 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS/Geocaching - liitle L-R content
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Erik van Dyck wrote:
>   The GPS spedo is much more accurate than the truck's,  the
> navigation tool is great, but what I've really gotten to love is the sport
> of Geocaching.

Huh! I was amazed to see the number of South African geocaches... Thanks
for the headsup.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:39:29 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Completely OT, US opinion sought.....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Phil Norris wrote:

> I cannot believe thay are serious....  It beggars belief that even before
> the events have unfolded and, god forbid, more military personnel of any of
> our countries falls that Hollywood is cashing in...

I can't believe that you can't believe it :-{)}

I think that although it is sad, the final line in the report "The Rocky
and Rambo series have grossed more than $2 billion." kinda says it all.

Besides, since when did Hollywood show any sense of modesty or decorum,
about anything at all?

Maybe they'll have some Land-Rovers in the movie (obligatory L-R
content).

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 8
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Paul Oxley's rover photos
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:24:52 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> was lopped off just aft of the rear spring mounts, and a piece of
> channel iron was welded in to hold the fairlead. The winch mounts onto
> the back of this channel iron with additional supports on the sides onto
> the chassis.

Paul, no need for the photos.  Your explanation makes perfect sense.  I have
seen a couple of different rovers with winches under the bed, but never how
they mounted.  I forgot that with the winch there realy isn't a top or
bottom, so they can be mounted to almost any plane perpandicular to the
frame rails.

Thanks
Pete

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Message: 9
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] [Fwd: [za-lro] 147]
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:27:02 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Land Rover launches new high capacity Defender Station Wagon
> 

Sweeeeet.
 Except I do believe that Foley and others have beat em to it.
Pete

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:53:11 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Appetites
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>I've heard that porcupines are attracted to the smell of ethylene glycol
and have been known to chew through >radiators hoses of vehicles parked
along the trail overnight.

Porcupines do some pretty strange stuff when they wake up from winter
hibernation.  Of course, they wake up *ravenous* and salt-depleted.  So
they go looking for a meal.  Like those one-season old snow tires with
traces of road salt still on 'em from last winter.  Hoses, belts, wires, no
matter...the vehicle is one big buffet to them.  If it ain't metal, they
eat it (and I can't see how this behavior allows the species to
perpetuate.)  I've seen it and it ain't pretty.  I wouldn't doubt the
'taste' for glycol, either.

Bon appetit....

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	*------------------------------------------------------*

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:06:42 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Appetites
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]> wrote:
..the vehicle is one big buffet to them.  If it ain't
metal, they eat it ...

OK, but in the reverse, is porcupine edible? If he's
going to eat my car, I feel a moral obligation to
return the favor....

      aj"Pass the brown sauce...(urp)"r

=====
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:17:44 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Appetites
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>OK, but in the reverse, is porcupine edible?

Not after he's scarfed down all that coolant he isn't...

"Good with gravy!"

jeff

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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:16:11 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Appetites
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>OK, but in the reverse, is porcupine edible?

Well, they come with toothpicks...

Keith

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Message: 14
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Appetites
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:33:43 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> ..the vehicle is one big buffet to them.  If it ain't
> metal, they eat it ...
>

Don't forget the outhouse seat.
This is the reason the seats are found hanging up on the wall in some camps.
We kept ours inside to keep it warm also :-0

Pete

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Message: 15
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:39:25 -0800
Subject: [lro] Webbers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As some may recall I have been battling a running rich and hesitation
problem.
I have been fiddling with the jettings on the 32/36 DGV lately.  Been
talking with the guys over at Pierce, got the carb and intake from them, and
thay have been a big help.

My DGV has the sinc-link, so both barrels open at the same time.  I have
dropped down to 120/125 mains and she is much happier.  Milage has increased
and the plug fouling has decreased.

I am still getting a real bog/stall condition though.  If I am sitting at
idle and step on the gas quickly to move out she will stall.  Happens cold
or warm.  Have to go very slow on the pedal in order to keep her running.
This can be hairy when tring to pull out in traffic.
Compression is low (125 in 8:1) but even accross all four.  New 25d that
holds a vacume and it advances per the specs in the green manual.  Valves
and timing right on.
So what I am wondering is, could I also have the wrong size accelerater jets
int he carb?
How do I tell if it's not getting enough gas or getting too much in this
situation?  Guess I can just order a bigger and smaller jet, but would like
to figure out which way to go.

Many thanks
pete

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Message: 16
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 01 08:13:02 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I have been fiddling with the jettings on the 32/36 DGV lately.  Been
>talking with the guys over at Pierce, got the carb and intake from them, and
>thay have been a big help.

I stopped off at Pierce last week to pick up some Weber stuff & noticed a 
'69 88 parked in the lot.  It belongs to one of the Pierce tech 
employees.  No wonder they have a manifold & carbs for the 2.25L engine.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:16:01 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Tank Leaking
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nick,
    Buy some POR 15 tank sealer. Put tape on the outside if possible and slosh the
sealer around inside.  It will dry like ceramic and is stronger than the tank
almost.  It is very thick and viscous so it will not run out of the holes if you
cannot get tape on them.  I did it to both my tanks and it worked a treat.
ind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Nick Danger wrote:

> On Thu, 2001-11-15 at 09:30, Easton Trevor A wrote:
> >
> > Probably the bottom of the tank between the skid plate and tank proper. It's
> > likely rusted through from the outside and the rust has poked a small hole
> > in the POR 15. Did you take off the skid plate when you treated the tank
> > last time? This is where my tank went. I pulled off the skid plate, cut out
> > the bottom and soldered in a new piece then POR 15'd. I used the POR15 to
> > stick the skid plate back too.
>
> Looks like thats it, good call. I just scrubbed the hell out of it and
> wiped the bottom all clean. Went back inside, came out an hour later and
> there is a nice wet circle the center of which is the flanged area
> around the two bottom layers. Given the crud that was around the drain
> plug it shouldnt suprise me that water collected and caused it to rust
> down there.
>
> Of course now my problem is what to do. I think tank repair is more or
> less out.I could probably get away with running tank sealer through it
> again, but I dont have the skill to seperate the two sides and properly
> cover the "outside" bottom.
>
> So, where to get new? RN has them for $250. BP for $190 (my price list
> is 2000 tho) and DAP lists 'Heavy Duty' for $195 or something.
> Suggestions? Comments? Last note is that I'd like to get it BEFORE next
> weekend if possible (and Im on east coast) as I can use weekend time off
> to install it :-)
>
> -Nick
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:34:44 -0400
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Can your carb be switched to do away with the sync-link?
It seems to me that you are getting too much mixture with both barrels
opening together.
The 2 barrel webers I have seen working well on 2.25 engines have all
been the progressive opening type.
John and Muddy

Hope Peter wrote:
> 
> As some may recall I have been battling a running rich and hesitation
> problem.
> I have been fiddling with the jettings on the 32/36 DGV lately.  Been
> talking with the guys over at Pierce, got the carb and intake from them, and
> thay have been a big help.
> 
> My DGV has the sinc-link, so both barrels open at the same time.  I have
> dropped down to 120/125 mains and she is much happier.  Milage has increased
> and the plug fouling has decreased.
> 
> I am still getting a real bog/stall condition though.  If I am sitting at
> idle and step on the gas quickly to move out she will stall.  Happens cold
> or warm.  Have to go very slow on the pedal in order to keep her running.
> This can be hairy when tring to pull out in traffic.
> Compression is low (125 in 8:1) but even accross all four.  New 25d that
> holds a vacume and it advances per the specs in the green manual.  Valves
> and timing right on.
> So what I am wondering is, could I also have the wrong size accelerater jets
> int he carb?
> How do I tell if it's not getting enough gas or getting too much in this
> situation?  Guess I can just order a bigger and smaller jet, but would like
> to figure out which way to go.
> 
> Many thanks
> pete
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 19
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:33:05 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Take a look at Edelbrock's web site. It has links to a PDF about carb
tuning.

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Message: 20
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:47:53 -0500
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Crossmember
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill writes ; How important to the structural integrity of the frame
overall is the
crossmember under the bellhousing? Could it be moved rearward an inch or
two and still be OK? How much of the web can be removed? Just trying to
noodle out some issues with the V8.

I can't believe that the precise position of this crossmeber is critical,
particularlry sine ine is moved back an inch or so due to incessant
banging on rocks.   I am guesing, but I think the six cylinder has the
crossmember firther back too. The 1 ton chassis has bits cut out of the
housing for propshaft clearance.  I would have no qualms about moving it
and altering it's cross section.

 Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 21
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:07:49 -0800
Subject: [lro] Re: Gas Tank Leaking
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Nov 2001 09:19:09 -0500
Subject: [lro] Gas Tank Leaking
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I seem to have developed a leak in my gas tank.

Series fuel tanks are notorious for rusting from the outside in as 
a result of moisture-holding dirt getting trapped between the skidplate 
and the tank.  What happens is that tiny pinholes develop in the tank 
that allow fuel to seep out.  You don't say if you have an original-style 
tank, but if you do, this could be the cause.

The cures are replace the tank or apply an interior sealant like the
sloshing 
compound used to seal aircraft fuel tanks.  If you have used a sloshing
compound 
to seal a previously-leaking tank, the coating can work loose over time and
allow 
the leak to resume.  I used sloshing compound when my original tank began to
pinhole, 
and it worked for a year or so, but then it started to leak again.  I bought
a new tank 
and coated the hell out of it with rustoleum and black enamel.  This was in
the mid-1980s, 
and so far the tank has remained in excellent condition.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
Seattle

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Message: 22
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:33:54 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Can your carb be switched to do away with the sync-link?
> It seems to me that you are getting too much mixture with both barrels
> opening together.
> The 2 barrel webers I have seen working well on 2.25 engines have all
> been the progressive opening type.
> John and Muddy

argh
Some have said the problem with the webber 2bbl is the progressive setup.
Pierce does have the regular linkage, makes sense to get that and try it out
as well.

Pete

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Message: 23
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:34:48 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Take a look at Edelbrock's web site. It has links to a PDF about carb
> tuning.

I found info about setting up and tuning the edelbrock performer series of
carbs, is this what you meant?

Thanks
Pete

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Message: 24
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:20:25 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That's what I meant. The details are for the Edelbrock/Carter AFB but the
principles remain the same for all carbs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Peter [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:35 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers

> Take a look at Edelbrock's web site. It has links to a PDF about carb
> tuning.

I found info about setting up and tuning the edelbrock performer series of
carbs, is this what you meant?

Thanks
Pete
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Message: 25
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:23:01 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> That's what I meant. The details are for the Edelbrock/Carter AFB but the
> principles remain the same for all carbs.

Thank you 
Pete

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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:26:56 -0500
From: Ian Harper <[email-masked]>
To: LRO Submissions <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Fuel Sender
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How do you check the fuel sender?   I'm assuming that you hook up an
ohmmeter to the positive and the body to notice the change as you move
the arm....mine does not respond!!!

I'm getting a pulsing 12v from the +ve side (the voltage stabiliser-is
this right?) and the ground is good, so I'm assuming that it's the
sender unit itself...time for a new one, or can it be fixed?

Cheers, Ian

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Message: 27
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:19:45 -0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

First thing to check is whether both arms of the pump jet are drilled. Some
of these carbs only use the primary side of the jet and the other side is
left blank.
But, why would you want to do away with the nice progressive butterfly
opening ???? I can't think of any advantage to be gained from the
"sinc-link" other than losing the low speed torque........#:o)
Cheers,

Chaz
Scotland
        http://freespace.virgin.net/chaz.mackenzie/home.htm
>I am still getting a real bog/stall condition though.  If I am sitting at
>idle and step on the gas quickly to move out she will stall.  Happens cold
>or warm.  Have to go very slow on the pedal in order to keep her running.
>This can be hairy when tring to pull out in traffic.
>Compression is low (125 in 8:1) but even accross all four.  New 25d that
>holds a vacume and it advances per the specs in the green manual.  Valves
>and timing right on.
>So what I am wondering is, could I also have the wrong size accelerater
jets
>int he carb?
>How do I tell if it's not getting enough gas or getting too much in this
>situation?  Guess I can just order a bigger and smaller jet, but would like
>to figure out which way to go.
>
>Many thanks
>pete

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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:41:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fuel Sender
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Ian Harper <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> How do you check the fuel sender?   I'm assuming
> that you hook up an
> ohmmeter to the positive and the body to notice the
> change as you move
> the arm....mine does not respond!!!

Yup - it's hosed. You should be able to read a
variable resistance between the sender out and ground.

> 
> I'm getting a pulsing 12v from the +ve side (the
> voltage stabiliser-is
> this right?) and the ground is good, so I'm assuming
> that it's the
> sender unit itself...time for a new one, or can it
> be fixed?

Try grounding the wire to the sender onto the tank
screws or the like - if that makes the gauge go up
then it's the sender.

Make sure the tank is gounded properly - if the ground
to the tank is odd that might screw things up.

As far as repairable, all it is is a swinging arm
riding on a flat coil of nichrome wire. Open it up and
have a look - several times I've repaired these by
cleaning the contact on the swinging arm (they get
burnt/don't make contact) or fixing a break in the
nichrome wire coil.

It ain't rocket science - take it apart and meter the
bits. I'll bet you a pint you manage to fix it.

                Alan

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Message: 29
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:04:17 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Pete,
    For the past week or so I have been playing with my LR doing misc.
things.  I have the same carb as you.  I must say that I can't imagine the
32/36 being very good with the synchronous opening setup.  Way over
carburetted.  I have mine working very well now, but I only have 200 km on
this jetting setup so I don't have a good idea of mileage yet.  I still plan
on tweaking it a little, but for the most part it is crisp, responsive and
works very well slow or on the highway.  If you don't mind, I would be
interested in all your jetting specs from mains to emulsion tubes to accel.
jets.  I may not have a solution for you with the sync link, but I might
know someone that does.

Kirk

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers

>
> First thing to check is whether both arms of the pump jet are drilled.
Some
> of these carbs only use the primary side of the jet and the other side is
> left blank.
> But, why would you want to do away with the nice progressive butterfly
> opening ???? I can't think of any advantage to be gained from the
> "sinc-link" other than losing the low speed torque........#:o)
> Cheers,
>
> Chaz
> Scotland
>         http://freespace.virgin.net/chaz.mackenzie/home.htm
> >I am still getting a real bog/stall condition though.  If I am sitting at
> >idle and step on the gas quickly to move out she will stall.  Happens
cold
> >or warm.  Have to go very slow on the pedal in order to keep her running.
> >This can be hairy when tring to pull out in traffic.
> >Compression is low (125 in 8:1) but even accross all four.  New 25d that
> >holds a vacume and it advances per the specs in the green manual.  Valves
> >and timing right on.
> >So what I am wondering is, could I also have the wrong size accelerater
> jets
> >int he carb?
> >How do I tell if it's not getting enough gas or getting too much in this
> >situation?  Guess I can just order a bigger and smaller jet, but would
like
> >to figure out which way to go.
> >
> >Many thanks
> >pete
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Message: 30
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:31:41 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sinc-link on the weber, was not my doing.  I am trying to locate the
progressive linkage now.  Well not locate, pierce has everything.  Pretty
great people to deal with.

My carb came new with the sinc-link and:
p. main 145
s. main 155
p. idle 055
s. idle 065
p&s air 150
accel 055 and both are drilled.
I have changed over to 120 and 125 mains and am going to try 050 and 055
idles.  Also ordered 155 and 160 airjets.

8:1 head with 125 compression across all 4 banks

Pete

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Message: 31
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:35:56 -0800
Subject: [lro] Exhaust gas Analyser (was webbers)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> this jetting setup so I don't have a good idea of mileage yet.  I still
plan
> on tweaking it a little, but for the most part it is crisp, responsive and
> works very well slow or on the highway

Everyone I have talked to so far has the progressive set up and good
results.  Not sure why pierce sold me one with the sinclink, but the linkage
parts to convert back are under 14$.  I am getting quite a nice little
collection of weber parts here :-)

Anyone know of an exhaust gas analyser ofr the home DIYer?
Pete

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Message: 32
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fuel Sender
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:38:07 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I'm getting a pulsing 12v from the +ve side (the voltage stabiliser-is
> this right?)

I am also having sending unit problems.  When I talked to the guy at RN he
said it's supossed to be a constant 10v from the stabaliser not bouncing.
Mine is bouncing from 4-11v rapidily so I ordered a new v-stab.

Pete

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Message: 33
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:44:13 -0800
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Appetites
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 7:06 AM -0800 11/16/01, Alan J. Richer wrote:
>--- "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>..the vehicle is one big buffet to them.  If it ain't
>metal, they eat it ...
>
>OK, but in the reverse, is porcupine edible? If he's
>going to eat my car, I feel a moral obligation to
>return the favor....

Oh boy... can I watch you skin it?  That oughta be really 
entertaining.  Can I video tape it too for hours of fun around the 
campfire watching it over and over again?  Maybe we could sell 
tickets.  8-D

Gerry (retired professional deer skinner) Mugele

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Message: 34
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'Hope Peter '" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked] '"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Exhaust gas Analyser (was webbers)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:42:22 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Put an O2 sensor nice and close to the manifold( same thread as spark plug,
weld a boss in the downpipe) then watch the millivolts on the output. I
don't have the details on hand but a search on the web should provide the
necessary numbers. Or you can buy ready built O2 sensor readouts.

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Message: 35
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Webbers
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:03:57 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter,
    I think your problem is way to large of jets in general.  Your jets
aren't that much different than mine with the progressive set-up.  I could
be wrong, but I would assume you need smaller jets all around if both
barrels open simultaneously.  To give you an idea here is what I am using
currently:

                                             Primary
Secondary
Emulsion tube                            F6
F6
Air correction jet                        175
175
Idle jet                                        50
55
Main jet                                     135
140

I just did a calculation on my mileage today after driving some more.  I am
getting 18.8 miles per US gallon.  Based on the Weber's instructions I
should probably go down one size on the primary idle and possibly the mains
too.  That should increase mileage again.  I would say keep looking for the
progressive linkage, or just buy it from Pierce, it would be the easiest.  I
would like to be kept up to date on how things go.  I might learn something
useful.  :-)

Kirk
... and the Banshee that isn't...

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Message: 36
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:03:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fuel Sender
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Hope Peter <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I am also having sending unit problems.  When I
> talked to the guy at RN he
> said it's supossed to be a constant 10v from the
> stabaliser not bouncing.
> Mine is bouncing from 4-11v rapidily so I ordered a
> new v-stab.
> 
> Pete

Sorry, Pete but you have been BSed. Whoever it was had
no clue.

The "regulator" if it is the proper Lucas part is a
heater wrapped around a bimetal strip, with the output
voltage and the heater fed from contacts on the
bimetal strip.

The heater/strip assembly sits in series with the
gauges - when there is a load on the line (the gauges
are fairly low resistance) the heater conducts part of
the load - heats - breaks the contacts as the bimetal
strip bends - cools - makes the contact and the whole
dance starts over again.

The gauges are slow-response hot-wire gauges whisch is
the only thing that makes this work...the cycling
basically creates a variable duty cycle voltage which
averages to about 10v over the gauge's resdponse time.

It should be pulsing - that is absolutely correct.

I designed a solid-state replacement for that damn
heathen thing back quite a while ago - tore apart 
more than one of the "regulators" doing the failure
analysis of the device.

            ajr
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Message: 37
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fuel Sender
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:49:13 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Sorry, Pete but you have been BSed. Whoever it was had
> no clue.
> 
> The gauges are slow-response hot-wire gauges whisch is
> the only thing that makes this work...the cycling
> basically creates a variable duty cycle voltage 

Mother Flippers!!!
Well I have a "spare" now :-)

Pete

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Message: 38
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:56:35 -0800
Subject: [lro] 88" weight
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Finally got over to the scrap yard today to see just how much the project
weighs in at.
I removed the rollcage and have a hard top.  Standard model 88, petrol.  No
back seats.  1/2 tank of gas.  Only thing in the vehicle was the spare and a
hi-lift.  No driver even.

she weighs 3981 lbs.

hmmm spec is 2900, payload off 1400, so mach weight is 4300 lbs.  So looks
like I have tracked down one of my performance problems.  Add in me, the
tools box, box of chains, cooler and the dog, and I beleive I am pushing the
envelope.  :-(

Time to rethink engines again :-(

laters
Pete

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Message: 39
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:01:55 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] 88" weight
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 11/16/01 9:00:33 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>Time to rethink engines again :-(

i say cummins 6AT 3.4- thats what im using in my truck.

adam

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Message: 40
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 88" weight
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:34:04 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> i say cummins 6AT 3.4- thats what im using in my truck.

If I go diesel it's a 6.2 if I stay petrol it's a 4.3.
Pete

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Message: 41
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:47:30 -1000
Subject: [lro] Re: Webers and coffee
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Aloha Peter:

Pierce reccomends the linked venturis because they feel a 32mm primary is 
too small for a 2 1/4.  BP also thinks the linked venturis are the only way 
to go.  Believe Pierce said the carb was designed for a 1500cc engine.  Know 
they use two of the 32/36 carbs on 2.2L TR3's.  Didn't you say the stock 2.5 
carb is a 34/36 Weber???

The linked venturis are also reccomended as the fix for those who have a 
flat spot when the 2nd venturi opens when running a progressive linkage.  
This is common enough that it used to be the major reason not to get a 32/36 
and think its why BP bad mouths the carb because of problems they had.  I 
rode in one truck with this flat spot and it was REALLY flat.  The truck 
would practically come to a stop unless you rammed the throttle full open or 
ran on the primary only.  There was no in-between.  I haven't had the 
problem with several of these carbs on three different engines, however.

Told you months ago you were running too large jets when I found out you had 
the linked venturi kit.  Assume the 120/? jets are what Pierce reccomends 
for linked venturis.  Do you have one of those CC cups specifically for 
checking accelerator pump out put.  Might be worth trying to find one as it 
sound like you might have a problem with the pump.  You could rule that out 
if you knew exactly what it's putting out.  Another possible problem is you 
need more volume out of the accelerator pump.  Believe it only works on the 
primary venturi.  You're opening both venturis and may need more fuel to 
compensate for the increased airflow.  You also mentioned that all the other 
jets may have been bored out.  Might want to go back to stock or Pierce's 
reccomendation to be sure that the PO didn't drill the jets into abusurdity.

Since the 135/140 jets are stock for a progressive 32/36 and since these are 
supposedly designed for a much smaller engine than the 2 1/4, you'd probably 
want to go larger for a hotted up engine.  I ran the 135/140 jets in my 7-1 
88 for 15 years and lots of miles without a problem. Am still running them 
in the 109 but haven't checked the plugs to see if they are the right size.  
Truck runs fine but gas mileage is only slightly over 13mpg.  Before the 
cam, etc. and in the 88 it was giving nearly 16mpg.  Hesitate to go larger 
as it will probably hurt the mileage even more.  Probably should get off my 
butt and do a plug check to see if it's properly jetted.  Haven't fouled a 
plug yet so its probably not running too rich.  Ran 140/150 in the 5 main 
engine up to 13,000' Since it ran fine at that altitude it would lead me to 
believe it was running a little too lean.

As far as running out of steam on the hills.  It's probably not the carb, 
just a lack of grunt in the 2 1/4.  Rover only claimed a 6hp gain for the 
2.5 cam and, I think, the Weber carb on the early 2 1/4L D-90 engine.  
Turner and ACR make these claims of 30 plus hp gain but I think they are 
blowing smoke.  Porting and polishing the head just can't add that much 
horse power.  Also, the hills in the Islands are really hills.  Not many 
places in the 'real world' that have slopes to equal the distance/altitude 
gains found here.

Coffee is finished and ready to ship.  $17 for a 14oz bag, $32.50 for two 
bags, $46.50 for three, $61 for 4, and $75 for 5 bags.  We're not going to 
Seattle this Christmas or I could deliver the coffee and save you the 
shipping.  For those others that have been waiting for coffee, email me.  
Believe I archived all the requests but haven't gone back to check on them.  
Production was low this year, a third of last years, because of drought 
during last years growing season so get your orders in early.  Will have 
another batch of coffee ready to go sometime after the first of the year, 
but that will probably be the last for this years crop, however.

Just got back from Kalamazoo.  Weather was beautiful, for Michigan in 
November, and actually got up the ambition to ride my touring bike.  Temps 
mostly in the high 50's.  Used to think that was warm.  Felt cold and spent 
most of my time bundled up in a sweater unless I was doing something 
vigorous.  How's your blood doing in the glorious NW gray season??

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: [lro] Exhaust gas Analyser (was webbers)
>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:35:56 -0800
>
>
> > this jetting setup so I don't have a good idea of mileage yet.  I still
>plan
> > on tweaking it a little, but for the most part it is crisp, responsive 
>and
> > works very well slow or on the highway
>
>Everyone I have talked to so far has the progressive set up and good
>results.  Not sure why pierce sold me one with the sinclink, but the 
>linkage
>parts to convert back are under 14$.  I am getting quite a nice little
>collection of weber parts here :-)
>
>Anyone know of an exhaust gas analyser ofr the home DIYer?
>Pete
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Message: 42
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:30:11 EST
Subject: Re: [lro] 88" weight
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

why a 6.2? they are old technolgy, and massively heavy.  not very impressive 
output figures, either.

adam

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Message: 43
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:01:12 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Exhaust gas Analyser (was webbers)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/ has several different analysers. The
price starts at $139 and goes up. You will need to do a search to find
it.

Hope Peter wrote:
> 
> > this jetting setup so I don't have a good idea of mileage yet.  I still
> plan
> > on tweaking it a little, but for the most part it is crisp, responsive and
> > works very well slow or on the highway
> 
> Everyone I have talked to so far has the progressive set up and good
> results.  Not sure why pierce sold me one with the sinclink, but the linkage
> parts to convert back are under 14$.  I am getting quite a nice little
> collection of weber parts here :-)
> 
> Anyone know of an exhaust gas analyser ofr the home DIYer?
> Pete
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