Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #148 - 47 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: first snow (Steve Mace)
   2. Re: UK PARTS SUPPIERS (Steve Mace)
   3. Gearbox/transfer case oil mixing (Steve)
   4. Re: Gearbox/transfer case oil mixing (Alan J. Richer)
   5. Re: UK PARTS SUPPIERS (S. Vels)
   6. new Range Rover (Frank Elson)
   7. Re: first snow (Jim Hall)
   8. Re: UK Parts Suppliers (Rakaia)
   9. Re: Re: UK Parts Suppliers (russell wilson)
  10. Re: new Range Rover (Alan J. Richer)
  11. RE: new Range Rover (Easton Trevor A)
  12. RE: new Range Rover (N Forbes)
  13. Re: new Range Rover (Jeff Bieler)
  14. Re: first snow (Keith Tanner)
  15. Re: Gearbox/transfer case oil mixing (William J. Rice)
  16. Re: first snow (William J. Rice)
  17. Re: new Range Rover (RON WARD)
  18. Re: UK PARTS SUPPIERS (Lonn & Rhonda)
  19. Re: new Range Rover (Jeff Bieler)
  20. Re: S3 Heater motor (Mark Pilkington)
  21. Re: first snow (Keith Tanner)
  22. Pictures by mistake (Mark Pilkington)
  23. Re: Pictures by mistake (Jeff Berg)
  24. 88 help required (alex&shane Rae)
  25. Re: series 88 kid seats (Tim Czajka)
  26. 109 SW seat question (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  27. Re: 88 help required (Keith Tanner)
  28. 88 help required...WARNING (Bill Adams)
  29. Re: Re: series 88 kid seats (Jeff Bieler)
  30. Re: new Range Rover (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  31. Re: new Range Rover (RON WARD)
  32. Re: 109 SW seat question (Rich & Lori Williams)
  33. Re: 88 help required (Jeff Bieler)
  34. Front axle gaskets (Tim Czajka)
  35. Rover web server (Hope Peter)
  36. Re: Re: UK Parts Suppliers (Hope Peter)
  37. Re: new Range Rover (Jeff Bieler)
  38. Re: first snow (Jeremy)
  39. RE: new Range Rover (Alan J. Richer)
  40. Re: new Range Rover (RON WARD)
  41. Re: new Range Rover (Jeff Bieler)
  42. Re: Front axle gaskets (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  43. RE: new Range Rover (Easton Trevor A)
  44. Re: new Range Rover (Rob MacCormick)
  45. Re: new Range Rover (RON WARD)
  46. Re: new Range Rover (Jeff Bieler)
  47. Re: new Range Rover (Jeff Bieler)

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Message: 1
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:38:58 -0000
Subject: Re: [lro] first snow
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ditto in East Yorkshire (UK)....

On 7 Nov 2001 at 17:13, N Forbes wrote:

> 
> Wow! It's snowing like a bastard out there. Unfortunatly there's no 
> accumulation as it's too warm. Oh well.
Steve

1993 D90 Red
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: [email-masked]
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 0845 458 4559
Intl. Fax. +44 1482 672877
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Message: 2
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:40:45 -0000
Subject: Re: [lro] UK PARTS SUPPIERS
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wow.... that was loud ;-)

On 7 Nov 2001 at 22:13, mark rich wrote:

> 
> I OWN A LAND ROVER GARAGE AND WE SUPPLY PARTS MAIL OREDER TO 
MANY COUNTIES
> WITH FEW PROBLEMS
> 
> DELIVERY COSTS ARE DIFFICULT TO  WORK OUT BUT OUR PRESENT 
CUSTOMERS MUST BE
> SAVING MONEY AS THEY COME BACK FOR MORE
Steve

1993 D90 Red
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: [email-masked]
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 0845 458 4559
Intl. Fax. +44 1482 672877
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Message: 3
From: "Steve" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:44:43 -0000
Subject: [lro] Gearbox/transfer case oil mixing
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello All,

This is my first posting -last time I worked on my Landie there was no list,
this one sure looks active:-). I'm in the UK with a 73 109 pickup. Owned for
7 years but off road recently and laid up - just got it back up and running.
My gearbox is losing its oil to the transfer box but until i can find enough
time to replace the oil seal between them am i better running the gearbox a
little low on oil to slow down the leakage rate to the transfer case or
running the transfer case over full to limit the flow from the gearbox?

Also is it possible to just remove the transfer box to replace this seal or
does the transmission have to come out entirely. There are no other apparent
faults that make the complete removal necessary.

Steve Smith 73 109 pickup.

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 03:54:50 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox/transfer case oil mixing
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> My gearbox is losing its oil to the transfer box but
> until i can find enough
> time to replace the oil seal between them am i
> better running the gearbox a
> little low on oil to slow down the leakage rate to
> the transfer case or
> running the transfer case over full to limit the
> flow from the gearbox?

Were I you I'd run the transfer case a bit overfull.
Venting the gearbox (or checking the vents on it)
might produce results too as it may be you've got a
plugged breather on the tranny causing it to push oil
past the seal. If it's been laid up mud-daubers, rust
or God knows what could well have done this.

As far as splitting the case in the car, dunno that
I'd bother as I like working on such things on the
bench.

It is a thought, though - wonder if you could simply
take off the output shaft support, pop the output gear
and do it that way?

Hmmmmm.....

       Alan

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:29:54 +0100
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] UK PARTS SUPPIERS
Reply-To: [email-masked]

mark rich screamed:

> I OWN A ......... MORE

Reminds me of my ex. She refuses to understand the fact, that a telephone
conversation is amplified in several stages along the line.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Message: 6
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: "uk-lro list" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:19:42 -0000
Subject: [lro] new Range Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In case anyone cares, the first official pix of the new Range Rover are on
www.lrm.co.uk

mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't look much to me...
(and even if I could afford one I wouldn't buy it)
Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 06:38:32 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] first snow
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here in Colo too. About 4" worth.

Steve Mace wrote:
> 
> Ditto in East Yorkshire (UK)....
> 
> On 7 Nov 2001 at 17:13, N Forbes wrote:
> 
> >
> > Wow! It's snowing like a bastard out there. Unfortunatly there's no
> > accumulation as it's too warm. Oh well.

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 8
From: "Rakaia" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:29:00 -0000
Subject: [lro] Re: UK Parts Suppliers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Please don't shout.

And please don't post your strictly commercial advertising content to single
interest newsgroups.

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:33:11 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: UK Parts Suppliers
From: "russell wilson" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 06:29 AM, Rakaia wrote:

>
> Please don't shout.
>
> And please don't post your strictly commercial advertising content to 
> single
> interest newsgroups.

The topic was U.K. parts suppliers, and this guy pointed out that he 
works for a parts house that has many happy customers.  Not off topic 
IMNSHO.

Russ Wilson

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:54:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:

> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
> look much to me...

Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
Navigator.

LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
replace if caught by a tree branch?

I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
after me.....8)

       ajr

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Message: 11
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] new Range Rover
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:01:57 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
after me.....8)

       ajr

I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie
I hope Mary will love her Freelander

That new Rangie is too damned costly. If you have to ask how much the lights
cost, you can't afford one.

Off topic. Frank, is the balloonist thats going for altitude record any
relation or just another English nutter?
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991542

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Message: 12
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] new Range Rover
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:12:43 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Off topic. Frank, is the balloonist thats going for altitude record >any 
>relation or just another English nutter?

Well if he is any relation to Frank he certainly would need a balloon for an 
altitude record, wouldn't he ;-)

Sorry Frank, couldn't resist ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

_________________________________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:17:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.

Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.

Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
Segment".

Such is life.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>> look much to me...
> 
> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
> Navigator.
> 
> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
> replace if caught by a tree branch?
> 
> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
> after me.....8)
> 
> ajr
> 
> =====
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:40:05 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] first snow
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've been waiting for years to say this, but HERE in Colo the forcast is 
for sunny and highs of 65 for the next 4 days. Snow? Well, it did rain for 
the first time in weeks last night. Briefly.

Back in Ottawa, I'm sure it's quite different.

Keith

At 06:38 11/8/01, you wrote:

>Here in Colo too. About 4" worth.
>
>Steve Mace wrote:
> >
> > Ditto in East Yorkshire (UK)....
> >
> > On 7 Nov 2001 at 17:13, N Forbes wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Wow! It's snowing like a bastard out there. Unfortunatly there's no
> > > accumulation as it's too warm. Oh well.
>
>--
>Jim Hall
>1966 88" Elephant Chaser
>http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
>"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
>with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Message: 15
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:11:56 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox/transfer case oil mixing
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I do think it's possible to pull the transfer case w/o pulling the
gearbox (which would be nice b/c you could leave the seatbox and floors
in situ).  Disconnect driveshafts, loosen tranny mounts, prop up gearbox
w/ something, remove bottom t-case cover, remove intermediate gear and
gearbox output, take off the 5 (6?) bolts/studs holding t-case to gearbox
and voila!

However, I don't think that you could swap the seal w/ the transfer case
in position.  The transfer case just seems too thick to allow you to pry
a seal out of the back of the gearbox.

bill

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 03:54:50 -0800 (PST) "Alan J. Richer"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> > My gearbox is losing its oil to the transfer box but
> 
> 
> As far as splitting the case in the car, dunno that
> I'd bother as I like working on such things on the
> bench.
> 
> It is a thought, though - wonder if you could simply
> take off the output shaft support, pop the output gear
> and do it that way?
> 
> Hmmmmm.....
> 
>        Alan
> 
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Message: 16
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:29:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] first snow
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Keith,
I dunno where in CO you are --oh yeah, western slope somewhere, right? 
Here in Ft. Collins it rained like crazy and then snowed about 1" of
vehicle-and-grass-only snow last night.  Glad you're enjoying the weather
change, though.

bill

On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:40:05 -0700 Keith Tanner <[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> I've been waiting for years to say this, but HERE in Colo the 
> forcast is 
> for sunny and highs of 65 for the next 4 days. Snow? Well, it did 
> rain for 
> the first time in weeks last night. Briefly.
> 
> Back in Ottawa, I'm sure it's quite different.
> 
> Keith
> 
> At 06:38 11/8/01, you wrote:
> 
> >Here in Colo too. About 4" worth.
> >
> >Steve Mace wrote:
> > >
> > > Ditto in East Yorkshire (UK)....
> > >
> > > On 7 Nov 2001 at 17:13, N Forbes wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow! It's snowing like a bastard out there. Unfortunatly 
> there's no
> > > > accumulation as it's too warm. Oh well.
> >
> >--
> >Jim Hall
> >1966 88" Elephant Chaser
> >http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
> >"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started 
> wheeling
> >with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
> >_______________________________________________
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:03:50 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.  

LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is any indication of what the marque is all about....  

Ron Ward

>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>

Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.

Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.

Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
Segment".

Such is life.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>> look much to me...
> 
> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
> Navigator.
> 
> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
> replace if caught by a tree branch?
> 
> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
> after me.....8)
> 
> ajr
> 
> =====
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> Find a job, post your resume.
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Message: 18
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] UK PARTS SUPPIERS
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:29:55 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, since no one else has said it... Thanks, Mark, for the heads-up
on an alternative parts supplier.  An owner of a Series Rover can
never have too many parts suppliers in his or her contact list.

And as this was posted in response to a discussion of UK parts
suppliers, I think we can all forgive the slight bending of USENET
protocols.

KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!????   ;>)

Lonn

----- Original Message -----
From: "mark rich" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: [lro] UK PARTS SUPPIERS

>
> I OWN A LAND ROVER GARAGE AND WE SUPPLY PARTS MAIL OREDER TO MANY
COUNTIES
> WITH FEW PROBLEMS
>
> DELIVERY COSTS ARE DIFFICULT TO  WORK OUT BUT OUR PRESENT CUSTOMERS
MUST BE
> SAVING MONEY AS THEY COME BACK FOR MORE
>
> EMAIL MY PARTS DEPT ON     [email-masked]
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:46:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just regurgitating what I read in the article...

Jeff

on 11/8/01 8:03 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW,
> Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.
> 
> LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is any
> indication of what the marque is all about....
> 
> Ron Ward
> 
> 
> 
>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>
> 
> Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
> text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
> new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
> kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.
> 
> Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
> next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
> that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
> to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.
> 
> Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
> Segment".
> 
> Such is life.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> 
>>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>>> look much to me...
>> 
>> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>> Navigator.
>> 
>> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
>> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
>> replace if caught by a tree branch?
>> 
>> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
>> after me.....8)
>> 
>> ajr
>> 
>> =====
>> Please ignore the following advertising.....
>> Find a job, post your resume.
>> http://careers.yahoo.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> [email-masked]
>> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:07:58 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] S3 Heater motor
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here is the heater photo.  Sorry it is not very good, but it is installed.
Kind regards,
Mark

Kirk Hillman wrote:

> Mark,
>     Please send me a picture of yours if you don't mind.  I have one, but am
> missing some parts like the little flapper that I assume is inside the
> distribution box.  Also, my controls are funny, especially the blower motor
> switch.  There is glass fuse right in the switch that is always being blown.
> The little ceramic part gets red hot most times too.  I have tried to avoid
> using it because of this, but would like to rectify the problem all
> together.
>
> Thanks,
> Kirk
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:41:28 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] first snow
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yup, Grand Junction. Just like Moab only a little bit cooler :) Of course, 
my Land Rover was sitting outside with no roof, no doors and a badly 
fitting tarp on it...

I don't know yet if the heat works in my apartment. I haven't really had to 
check. This is seriously neat, but I'm not looking forward to summer. This 
little Canadian will melt.

Keith

At 08:29 11/8/01, you wrote:

>Keith,
>I dunno where in CO you are --oh yeah, western slope somewhere, right?
>Here in Ft. Collins it rained like crazy and then snowed about 1" of
>vehicle-and-grass-only snow last night.  Glad you're enjoying the weather
>change, though.
>
>bill
>
>On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:40:05 -0700 Keith Tanner <[email-masked]> writes:
> >
> > I've been waiting for years to say this, but HERE in Colo the
> > forcast is
> > for sunny and highs of 65 for the next 4 days. Snow? Well, it did
> > rain for
> > the first time in weeks last night. Briefly.
> >
> > Back in Ottawa, I'm sure it's quite different.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > At 06:38 11/8/01, you wrote:
> >
> > >Here in Colo too. About 4" worth.
> > >
> > >Steve Mace wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ditto in East Yorkshire (UK)....
> > > >
> > > > On 7 Nov 2001 at 17:13, N Forbes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow! It's snowing like a bastard out there. Unfortunatly
> > there's no
> > > > > accumulation as it's too warm. Oh well.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jim Hall
> > >1966 88" Elephant Chaser
> > >http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
> > >"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started
> > wheeling
> > >with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:13:21 -0800
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Pictures by mistake
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think I just sent pictures to the list by mistake.  They were Kodiak heater
pictures that were intended for Kirk Hillman.  Kirk, contact me offlist and I
will send them again,
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:34:50 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Pictures by mistake
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No worries--they got filtered out.

Cheers!

jeff

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Message: 24
From: "alex&shane Rae" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:36:31 +0000
Subject: [lro] 88 help required
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just bought a '74 SIII SWB.  Needs new springs, should I attempt to do
this myself, or do I need to shell out for pro help?  Also, the
heater-doesn't.  Can anyone tell me where to start with making it go?

I've been keeping 2 old VWs going for a few years so I'm used to constant
tinkering etc. but, I find the Haynes manual for series III a bit
inadequate.

Also, does anyone know of a good wrecker in the West Oxfordshire area?

I turn to you, my LRO brothers and sisters.

Shane

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Message: 25
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:47:50 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: series 88 kid seats
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff Bieler wrote:
>I have been told to look into a Suzuki Samurai rear bench of a J**p bench, 
>but haven't done the footwork yet.
>
The distance between the rear wheel wells on the Jeep CJ-5,
CJ-7, and YJ (leaf spring Wrangler) models is 36 inches -
same as the Series.  So rear seats from any of these models
will fit the Series just fine.

The standard seat just has four legs that bolt to the floor.
I would recommend some backing plates so that in an accident
the bolts don't pull though the aluminum floor.

The upgraded seat is a fold and tumble design.  Top cushion
folds down on bottom cushion and the whole thing tilts
forward to rest against the bulkhead.  Only the front legs
on this seat bolt to the floor - the seat tilts on these
legs and can be removed from them with a cotter pin.  The
rear legs just rest on the floor because the seat is held
down by two brackets on each side of the wheel wells.

I have both seats and recommend the latter.  It can be
folded down, folded forward, or removed without much effort.
Folding down would aid passengers hopping over it.  Or
consider placing the seat facing backwards for easy egress.

My Four Wheel Drive Hardware catalog lists a new fold and
tumble rear seat for 219.00 dollars.  I recall the Defender
seats going for upwards of 500.00 - not sure if they tumble.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 01 09:35:00 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] 109 SW seat question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What is the 109 stationwagon middle seat arrangement?

I'm asking about 1967 & older North American spec 109s.

2 forward facing seats?  A forward facing single bench seat? or ????

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:52:02 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 88 help required
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Put aside that Haynes manual and buy the Land Rover manual, otherwise known 
as the Green Bible. It's invaluable.

You can do springs by yourself. The ugliest part is removing the old frame 
bushings should you decide to do so. I found it much easier to buy new 
U-bolts and simply hack the old ones in half with an angle grinder.

As for the heater, they're simple beasts. Basically a little radiator with 
a fan. Is the fan working? If so, do the hoses going to the heater core get 
hot?

Welcome to the fold.

Keith

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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:58:34 -0500
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] 88 help required...WARNING
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If you buy springs, I recommend you avoid TI Console parabolics. I have
a full set and they are less than satisfactory. Customer service was
good in that I was shipped a second set of front springs when they went
flat on one side, but when that failed to correct the problem, my case
was dropped like a hot potato. My truck leans 1.5 inches to the left.
If'n you're not going to off road it, I'd buy regular old OE style leaf
springs.
The heater control valve is likely corroded closed. Install a new one.
-- 
Bill Adams
Motion Graphics/3D Design Director
IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC
[email-masked]
202-205-9638

1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel
1981 Honda GoldWing Standard
1963 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:01:37 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: series 88 kid seats
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tim,

That sounds just like what I am looking for.  If it's not asking too much,
could you email me some pics of what you did?

The D90 seat sounds nice (being LR), but you're right.  The prices I have
seen appear to be at least 2x a new seat for a Jeep, etc.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 9:47 AM, Tim Czajka at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Jeff Bieler wrote:
>> I have been told to look into a Suzuki Samurai rear bench of a J**p bench,
>> but haven't done the footwork yet.
>> 
> The distance between the rear wheel wells on the Jeep CJ-5,
> CJ-7, and YJ (leaf spring Wrangler) models is 36 inches -
> same as the Series.  So rear seats from any of these models
> will fit the Series just fine.
> 
> The standard seat just has four legs that bolt to the floor.
> I would recommend some backing plates so that in an accident
> the bolts don't pull though the aluminum floor.
> 
> The upgraded seat is a fold and tumble design.  Top cushion
> folds down on bottom cushion and the whole thing tilts
> forward to rest against the bulkhead.  Only the front legs
> on this seat bolt to the floor - the seat tilts on these
> legs and can be removed from them with a cotter pin.  The
> rear legs just rest on the floor because the seat is held
> down by two brackets on each side of the wheel wells.
> 
> I have both seats and recommend the latter.  It can be
> folded down, folded forward, or removed without much effort.
> Folding down would aid passengers hopping over it.  Or
> consider placing the seat facing backwards for easy egress.
> 
> My Four Wheel Drive Hardware catalog lists a new fold and
> tumble rear seat for 219.00 dollars.  I recall the Defender
> seats going for upwards of 500.00 - not sure if they tumble.
> 
> Tim Czajka
> 1972 Series III 88
> 
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Message: 30
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 01 10:04:20 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>Navigator.

Strange since it was a BMW design that was mostly complete before Ford 
purchased the company.

>LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.

THey went where the market is.  And right now SUVs are sold largely as 
Soccer mom minivan replacments.  That may have to do with the reason that 
most new SUVs look like 4WD minivans that have different side doors 
fitted.

The market for actual off road vehicles is very small and most of those 
sold never go off road or only see very light off road use.

But like you I'm happy with my rig so all these new SUV cars are 
meaningless to me.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:02:00 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Oops, did I say that wrong?  No offense intended Jeff, just commenting on the article you read is all...

I read the same type of comment in an article recently and my thought was the marketing folks need to chose a target and stick with it, either high end luxury mall crawlers or camel trophy.

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 11:46AM >>>

Just regurgitating what I read in the article...

Jeff

on 11/8/01 8:03 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW,
> Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.
> 
> LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is any
> indication of what the marque is all about....
> 
> Ron Ward
> 
> 
> 
>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>
> 
> Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
> text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
> new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
> kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.
> 
> Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
> next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
> that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
> to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.
> 
> Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
> Segment".
> 
> Such is life.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> 
>>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>>> look much to me...
>> 
>> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>> Navigator.
>> 
>> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
>> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
>> replace if caught by a tree branch?
>> 
>> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
>> after me.....8)
>> 
>> ajr
>> 
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Message: 32
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 109 SW seat question
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:51:49 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn,

I have seen three independent seats as well as the single bench.  It is my
understanding that either arrangement was a factory/dealer option as the
buyer could select which way he or she wanted to go.

Rich Williams

----- Original Message -----
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:35 AM
Subject: [lro] 109 SW seat question

>
> What is the 109 stationwagon middle seat arrangement?
>
> I'm asking about 1967 & older North American spec 109s.
>
> 2 forward facing seats?  A forward facing single bench seat? or ????
>
> Thanks
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
>
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:12:25 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] 88 help required
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Springs can be a DIY project.  The biggest PITA (IMHO) is bushings.  There
are various write ups on suspension work on the web.  It's not hard, just
frustrating.

First, I found it easier to assume ALL the hardware was being replaced.
That way, anything that appeared stubborn to removal was cut/grinded/etc.
instead of fought with.

Second, after using a blow torch to burn out the inner bushing sleeve and
using the cut and bash method on the outer sleeve, I made the installation
of new bushings much easier by going to poly bushings.  I tried to use OEM
bushings, but was unable to get them to fully seat.  Time will tell if the
polys will hold up, but at least I know if they don't that their removal
will be easy.

Once new bushings are in, spring installation is actually quite easy.

Chances are, you'll want new shocks too.  Treat yourself, your back, and the
truck to a more comfortable ride.

You'll need a decent set of sockets, wrench's, floor stands, a jack,
patience, and a solid selection of curse words.

The whole thing too an entire weekend, but I was also being supervised by my
3 month old son and he was of no help at all.

Have you tried a simple flush on the heater or is your problem a bad fan?

Get the Green Bible (original LR repair manual) to complement the Haynes
manual.  Excellent investment.

As for a local wrecker, I assume Southern California is not convenient.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 9:36 AM, alex&shane Rae at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Just bought a '74 SIII SWB.  Needs new springs, should I attempt to do
> this myself, or do I need to shell out for pro help?  Also, the
> heater-doesn't.  Can anyone tell me where to start with making it go?
> 
> I've been keeping 2 old VWs going for a few years so I'm used to constant
> tinkering etc. but, I find the Haynes manual for series III a bit
> inadequate.
> 
> Also, does anyone know of a good wrecker in the West Oxfordshire area?
> 
> I turn to you, my LRO brothers and sisters.
> 
> Shane
> 
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Message: 34
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:12:51 -0700
Subject: [lro] Front axle gaskets
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well I am slowly assembling my front axle.  There are
several areas where I am wondering if I should use the
stock paper gaskets or perhaps just hylomar.  Mainly I
am referring to where the swivel balls mount to the axle
housing and where the locking hubs mount to the hub.
Any thoughts?  I just want to make sure of a good seal
because this thing better stay together for a while.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 35
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: "Mendo_Recce" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:16:53 -0800
Subject: [lro] Rover web server
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Aloha All.
www.aloharovers.com has moved to it's own web server.  It no longer resides
at www.thehopes.net/aloharovers

If your links were just to aloharovers.com they will still work correctly,
but if you had linked to a specific page and the url included thehopes you
will need to change it.

With this move aloharovers has gone from 50m of space to 30g.

We are working on offering free photo album space to Rover owners.  This
will be similar to all the other photo albums already on the web, but will
be 100% Rover content.

Also working on getting a streaming media service up and running.

I will post more info as things ramp up.

Thanks
Pete

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Message: 36
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: UK Parts Suppliers
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:19:35 -0800
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> The topic was U.K. parts suppliers, and this guy pointed out that he 
> works for a parts house that has many happy customers.  Not off topic 
> IMNSHO.
> 
> Russ Wilson

Have to agree with Russ.  :-)

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Message: 37
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:24:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Unfortunately, reality suggests "Mall Crawler"...

No offense taken.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 10:02 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Oops, did I say that wrong?  No offense intended Jeff, just commenting on the
> article you read is all...
> 
> I read the same type of comment in an article recently and my thought was the
> marketing folks need to chose a target and stick with it, either high end
> luxury mall crawlers or camel trophy.
> 
> Ron
> 
>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 11:46AM >>>
> 
> Just regurgitating what I read in the article...
> 
> Jeff
> 
> on 11/8/01 8:03 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW,
>> Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.
>> 
>> LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is any
>> indication of what the marque is all about....
>> 
>> Ron Ward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>
>> 
>> Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
>> text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
>> new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
>> kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.
>> 
>> Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
>> next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
>> that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
>> to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.
>> 
>> Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
>> Segment".
>> 
>> Such is life.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>>>> look much to me...
>>> 
>>> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>>> Navigator.
>>> 
>>> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
>>> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
>>> replace if caught by a tree branch?
>>> 
>>> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
>>> after me.....8)
>>> 
>>> ajr
>>> 
>>> =====
>>> Please ignore the following advertising.....
>>> Find a job, post your resume.
>>> http://careers.yahoo.com
>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 38
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:25:13 -0700
From: Jeremy <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] first snow
Reply-To: [email-masked]

And sure enough, it's already melted, 'cept for a few places on roofs and
shadowed grass.  Guh.  Well, hopefully soon we'll have a blizzard (Yes, I'm
weird, I love rain, and snow, and hate the sun)

-j
-- 
Jeremy <heffner at darkness dot net>
1994 Disco NAS "RTFM"

Jim Hall enlightened recipients with the following on 08Nov2001:
> 
> Here in Colo too. About 4" worth.
> 
> Steve Mace wrote:
> > 
> > Ditto in East Yorkshire (UK)....
> > 
> > On 7 Nov 2001 at 17:13, N Forbes wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Wow! It's snowing like a bastard out there. Unfortunatly there's no
> > > accumulation as it's too warm. Oh well.
> 
> -- 
> Jim Hall
> 1966 88" Elephant Chaser
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
> "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
> with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 39
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:52:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] new Range Rover
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- N Forbes <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Well if he is any relation to Frank he certainly
> would need a balloon for an 
> altitude record, wouldn't he ;-)

That's funny, Niall - my thought was that if he were
any relation to Frank he wouldn't need a balloon to be
a nutter.....English or otherwise....8)

    aj"Sorry - that was just TOO easy....."r

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Message: 40
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:07:08 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No kidding.  I was having lunch yesterday with a friend who runs a small import car lot here in town.  He's a great mechanic and knows a thing or two about Land Rovers, but is not a certified technician.  Anyway, he gets a few Disco 1's on the lot from time to time and the rare 4.0 or 4.6 from the auctions up in Atlanta and Birmingham.  I always make comments like "new springs, ARB, winch and rip off those wimpy  running boards and you have a nice rig there."  His reply is always the same "no way man, if I could lower it and add a sliding side door I could sell a dozen a day."  

Ron W.

>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 01:24PM >>>

Unfortunately, reality suggests "Mall Crawler"...

No offense taken.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 10:02 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Oops, did I say that wrong?  No offense intended Jeff, just commenting on the
> article you read is all...
> 
> I read the same type of comment in an article recently and my thought was the
> marketing folks need to chose a target and stick with it, either high end
> luxury mall crawlers or camel trophy.
> 
> Ron
> 
>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 11:46AM >>>
> 
> Just regurgitating what I read in the article...
> 
> Jeff
> 
> on 11/8/01 8:03 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW,
>> Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.
>> 
>> LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is any
>> indication of what the marque is all about....
>> 
>> Ron Ward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>
>> 
>> Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
>> text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
>> new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
>> kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.
>> 
>> Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
>> next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
>> that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
>> to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.
>> 
>> Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
>> Segment".
>> 
>> Such is life.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>>>> look much to me...
>>> 
>>> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>>> Navigator.
>>> 
>>> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
>>> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
>>> replace if caught by a tree branch?
>>> 
>>> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
>>> after me.....8)
>>> 
>>> ajr
>>> 
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Message: 41
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:00:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

SUV is "Sport Utility Van".

Makes me miss the old station wagons I grew up with.  Sitting in the
rearward facing back seat with my brother playing "tail gunner"...

Jeff
on 11/8/01 11:07 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> No kidding.  I was having lunch yesterday with a friend who runs a small
> import car lot here in town.  He's a great mechanic and knows a thing or two
> about Land Rovers, but is not a certified technician.  Anyway, he gets a few
> Disco 1's on the lot from time to time and the rare 4.0 or 4.6 from the
> auctions up in Atlanta and Birmingham.  I always make comments like "new
> springs, ARB, winch and rip off those wimpy  running boards and you have a
> nice rig there."  His reply is always the same "no way man, if I could lower
> it and add a sliding side door I could sell a dozen a day."
> 
> Ron W.
> 
>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 01:24PM >>>
> 
> Unfortunately, reality suggests "Mall Crawler"...
> 
> No offense taken.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> on 11/8/01 10:02 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Oops, did I say that wrong?  No offense intended Jeff, just commenting on the
>> article you read is all...
>> 
>> I read the same type of comment in an article recently and my thought was the
>> marketing folks need to chose a target and stick with it, either high end
>> luxury mall crawlers or camel trophy.
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 11:46AM >>>
>> 
>> Just regurgitating what I read in the article...
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> on 11/8/01 8:03 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW,
>>> Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.
>>> 
>>> LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is any
>>> indication of what the marque is all about....
>>> 
>>> Ron Ward
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>
>>> 
>>> Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
>>> text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
>>> new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
>>> kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
>>> next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
>>> that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
>>> to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
>>> Segment".
>>> 
>>> Such is life.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>>>>> look much to me...
>>>> 
>>>> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>>>> Navigator.
>>>> 
>>>> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
>>>> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
>>>> replace if caught by a tree branch?
>>>> 
>>>> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
>>>> after me.....8)
>>>> 
>>>> ajr
>>>> 
>>>> =====
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>>>> Find a job, post your resume.
>>>> http://careers.yahoo.com
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Message: 42
Subject: Re: [lro] Front axle gaskets
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 01 11:21:45 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>am referring to where the swivel balls mount to the axle
>housing and where the locking hubs mount to the hub.
>Any thoughts? 

That is where I seporate the housing when I need to move the front axles 
outwards prior to removing the front diff.

I've always used sealent without the gasket and have never had a leak 
there.  Another thing I did was replace the stock fixing bolts with SAE 
fine grade 8 bolts so my wrenches would fit.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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Message: 43
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] new Range Rover
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:04:03 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

SUV is "Sport Utility Van".

Makes me miss the old station wagons I grew up with.  Sitting in the
rearward facing back seat with my brother playing "tail gunner"...

Jeff

Salacious Urban Vehicle "

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Message: 44
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:21:14 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That was YOU!???? you little @##%$##'s You almost killed me and my mommy
when she swerved to avoid a strafing.....
By the way "salacious" great word! thanks for the oppotunity to get up
stretch my limbs and walk ten feet, thumb the pages of the dictionary
and stretch my brain.....Rob M
I just KNEW I would learn something today!!

Easton Trevor A wrote:

> SUV is "Sport Utility Van".
>
> Makes me miss the old station wagons I grew up with.  Sitting in the
> rearward facing back seat with my brother playing "tail gunner"...
>
> Jeff
>
> Salacious Urban Vehicle "
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Message: 45
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:27:32 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Buick Roadmaster Stationwagon.

>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 03:00PM >>>

SUV is "Sport Utility Van".

Makes me miss the old station wagons I grew up with.  Sitting in the
rearward facing back seat with my brother playing "tail gunner"...

Jeff
on 11/8/01 11:07 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> No kidding.  I was having lunch yesterday with a friend who runs a small
> import car lot here in town.  He's a great mechanic and knows a thing or two
> about Land Rovers, but is not a certified technician.  Anyway, he gets a few
> Disco 1's on the lot from time to time and the rare 4.0 or 4.6 from the
> auctions up in Atlanta and Birmingham.  I always make comments like "new
> springs, ARB, winch and rip off those wimpy  running boards and you have a
> nice rig there."  His reply is always the same "no way man, if I could lower
> it and add a sliding side door I could sell a dozen a day."
> 
> Ron W.
> 
>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 01:24PM >>>
> 
> Unfortunately, reality suggests "Mall Crawler"...
> 
> No offense taken.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> on 11/8/01 10:02 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Oops, did I say that wrong?  No offense intended Jeff, just commenting on the
>> article you read is all...
>> 
>> I read the same type of comment in an article recently and my thought was the
>> marketing folks need to chose a target and stick with it, either high end
>> luxury mall crawlers or camel trophy.
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 11:46AM >>>
>> 
>> Just regurgitating what I read in the article...
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> on 11/8/01 8:03 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW,
>>> Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.
>>> 
>>> LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is any
>>> indication of what the marque is all about....
>>> 
>>> Ron Ward
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>
>>> 
>>> Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
>>> text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
>>> new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend that
>>> kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that the
>>> next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that stated
>>> that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
>>> to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
>>> Segment".
>>> 
>>> Such is life.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>>>>> look much to me...
>>>> 
>>>> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>>>> Navigator.
>>>> 
>>>> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
>>>> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
>>>> replace if caught by a tree branch?
>>>> 
>>>> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
>>>> after me.....8)
>>>> 
>>>> ajr
>>>> 
>>>> =====
>>>> Please ignore the following advertising.....
>>>> Find a job, post your resume.
>>>> http://careers.yahoo.com 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> LRO mailing list
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Message: 46
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:30:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Oh, you and your fancy BIG words...  ;-)

Vehicles like the Navigator and whatever that huge Caddy is called need a
whole new term.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 12:04 PM, Easton Trevor A at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> SUV is "Sport Utility Van".
> 
> Makes me miss the old station wagons I grew up with.  Sitting in the
> rearward facing back seat with my brother playing "tail gunner"...
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> Salacious Urban Vehicle "
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Message: 47
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:32:12 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] new Range Rover
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

We had a big Oldsmobile that I swear my mom could take up Moab they way she
drove it.  She could parallel park that thing like no ones business.

Jeff

on 11/8/01 12:27 PM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Buick Roadmaster Stationwagon.
> 
>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 03:00PM >>>
> 
> SUV is "Sport Utility Van".
> 
> Makes me miss the old station wagons I grew up with.  Sitting in the
> rearward facing back seat with my brother playing "tail gunner"...
> 
> Jeff
> on 11/8/01 11:07 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> 
>> No kidding.  I was having lunch yesterday with a friend who runs a small
>> import car lot here in town.  He's a great mechanic and knows a thing or two
>> about Land Rovers, but is not a certified technician.  Anyway, he gets a few
>> Disco 1's on the lot from time to time and the rare 4.0 or 4.6 from the
>> auctions up in Atlanta and Birmingham.  I always make comments like "new
>> springs, ARB, winch and rip off those wimpy  running boards and you have a
>> nice rig there."  His reply is always the same "no way man, if I could lower
>> it and add a sliding side door I could sell a dozen a day."
>> 
>> Ron W.
>> 
>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 01:24PM >>>
>> 
>> Unfortunately, reality suggests "Mall Crawler"...
>> 
>> No offense taken.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> on 11/8/01 10:02 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Oops, did I say that wrong?  No offense intended Jeff, just commenting on
>>> the
>>> article you read is all...
>>> 
>>> I read the same type of comment in an article recently and my thought was
>>> the
>>> marketing folks need to chose a target and stick with it, either high end
>>> luxury mall crawlers or camel trophy.
>>> 
>>> Ron
>>> 
>>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 11:46AM >>>
>>> 
>>> Just regurgitating what I read in the article...
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> on 11/8/01 8:03 AM, RON WARD at [email-masked] wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff added... "LR needed to revise itself to better compete with BMW,
>>>> Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc." from something he'd read.
>>>> 
>>>> LR isn't competing with those guys if what they show in recent tv ads is
>>>> any
>>>> indication of what the marque is all about....
>>>> 
>>>> Ron Ward
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>> [email-masked] 11/08/01 10:17AM >>>
>>>> 
>>>> Don't like the look.  Also a bit confused (how unusual...).  One line of
>>>> text suggests that solid axles are gone.  Admittedly, I don't follow much
>>>> new car development (especially for cars that I have no desire to spend
>>>> that
>>>> kind of money on) so I don't know if that's confirmed or not.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, if the RRIII has gone to independent suspension, it follows that
>>>> the
>>>> next Discovery will follow suit.  I did recently read an article that
>>>> stated
>>>> that only future specialty LR vehicles would have solid axles as LR needed
>>>> to revise itself to better compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like LR is going from "The Best 4x4xFar" to "The Best 4x4xMarketing
>>>> Segment".
>>>> 
>>>> Such is life.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on 11/8/01 6:54 AM, Alan J. Richer at [email-masked] wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- Frank Elson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't
>>>>>> look much to me...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fugly damn thing - trying hard to be a Lincoln
>>>>> Navigator.
>>>>> 
>>>>> LR has wandered so far off the path it's ludicrous.
>>>>> How much would those fancy-arsed headlights cost to
>>>>> replace if caught by a tree branch?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love my Series - I love my Classic Rangie...repeat
>>>>> after me.....8)
>>>>> 
>>>>> ajr
>>>>> 
>>>>> =====
>>>>> Please ignore the following advertising.....
>>>>> Find a job, post your resume.
>>>>> http://careers.yahoo.com
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