Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #146 - 26 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Cooked steering relay (Alan J. Richer)
   2. Re: Heat treating steel (Alan J. Richer)
   3. Heat treating steel ([email-masked])
   4. Re: Heat treating steel ([email-masked])
   5. Re: PTO rebuild kits (David Scheidt)
   6. RE: Frank Elson...you copy??? (Tackley, John)
   7. Midwest Rover Event ([email-masked])
   8. Re: Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited (RON WARD)
   9. Re: Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited (Alan J. Richer)
  10. Re: Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited (RON WARD)
  11. AAA been good to me (Rob MacCormick)
  12. Re: Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited (Smokey Briggs)
  13. Re: Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited (Rob MacCormick)
  14. Re: Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited (Alan J. Richer)
  15. quota full (Frank Elson)
  16. Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow? (Rob MacCormick)
  17. Re: Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow? (Alan J. Richer)
  18. Re: Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow? (Rob MacCormick)
  19. series 88 kid seats (Rob MacCormick)
  20. Re: series 88 kid seats (Jeff Bieler)
  21. Re: series 88 kid seats (RON WARD)
  22. new Range Rover (Frank Elson)
  23. Re: series 88 kid seats (Rob MacCormick)
  24. lro kid seats (Simon J. Harding)
  25. Re: Heat treating steel (Jean-Leon Morin)
  26. 110 Sighting In Victoria (Paul Quin)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 03:26:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Cooked steering relay
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Keith Tanner <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Disassemble and inspect? Oh goody, more to take
> apart :)

Actually, it's not all that big a deal and can be done
right in the chassis. You're going to need to change
the seals at a minimum - the fire would have heated
and destroyed them.

All you need to do is pull the top and bottom covers,
punt the guts into a box to release the spring
tension, replace damaged components and reassemble. If
you want details on doing it in the chassis let me
know - I have a write-up on it here somewhere.

At the same time if you have a lathe or can get access
to one, modify the relay shaft to early IIa spec if it
isn't already. it's pretty simple to drill the shaft
to 7/32, cross-drill it halfway down and tap the top
hole for a 1/4-28 thread.

It's so nice to be able to fill a damn steering relay
without having to dribble oil into it with a
syringe...

        ajr

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 03:30:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Heat treating steel
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Jean-Leon Morin <[email-masked]>
wrote:

the machinist that helped me with it is a 
gonzo
fabrication whiz, and he said that we would be better
to try and leave 
the
welded area non-hardened as he had doubts at our
ability to harden it
effectively without getting a scale on the complete
shaft, which means 
the
precision surfaces would be screwed up.

JL, you couldn't harden the damn thing in
stainless-wrap in an inert atmosphere? That's what I'd
have tried for, personally. Yeah, you might get a bit
of scale, but I'd expect that  primarily in the
buggered-about area - the machined bits probably could
have been polished back to clean with little effort.

I'm not disagreeing with you - just curious if it came
up.

         Alan

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Message: 3
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:21:40 -0500
Subject: [lro] Heat treating steel
From: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Knowing your steel is necessary.  Less than .83% carbon and you won't get
carbon precipitating out as the crystalline matrix changes from face
centered to body centered.  Above about 1.2 % and you get all the
hardening that carbon can do.  In between the cooling rates matter, so
the cooling medium matters.  For SAE 1000 series steels you may need to
case harden to archive the hardness you need.  Casenit is probably the
easy and safest to find and use. Normalizing steel is just heating and
slowly cooling,  The most critical range is from 1600 to 1300 F.  The
longer it takes to cool through that range the softer it will be.  That
doesn't mean that at 1300 you can quench it.  
 The best description of metallurgy for the non metallurgist I have found
is in Carroll Smith's  "engineer to win".  Target audience is the average
racer so he is very gentle, but it is still a hard read.  The chapter on
stress fracture ("Why Things Brake") might be very useful with your 
trans shaft.  At least you would understand just how bad Rover axles are.

Chris

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Message: 4
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:40:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [lro] Heat treating steel
From: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

J-L wrote

>... Interestingly, it broke about 2" down the shaft, away from
>the weld - I did a rockwell test on the shaft and it broke at a point
where
>the hardness was greater than the welded area, which means it was a
totally
>unrelated failure - 

Could it be that you formed a stress riser at the junction of the
hardened and non hardened metals, and the break was directly related to
the weld?  Filler metal would be critical here, most are low carbon and
may scavenge carbon from the base metal.

Copper plate the shaft and have it hardened, if the filler metal allows,
then remove the copper.  No scale on the shaft.  

Chris

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:26:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] PTO rebuild kits
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Andrew H. Litkowiak wrote:

> 
> The cork I can do. The tissue thin gaskets between the aluminum mating
> surfaces are an entirely different story.
> 

Mating surfaces for the case and cover?  Use your favorite gaskiet
goop.  It's just to keep itfrom leaking, irght?

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Message: 6
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Frank Elson...you copy???
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:55:27 -0500 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

...again, Frank, I replied to your 'bloody email' message and it bounced yet
again...so I sent off a message to your Postmaster.  Let me know when you
get it sorted...

JT/ric
previously...

Frank...hello..<spitzz--sputterzzz>...are you there, old boy???

...if you can hear me...email me off-list, kind sir...
....
....
...as yer e-mail account appears to be "over quota", according to your mail
server's postmaster.

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Message: 7
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:07:25 EST
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Midwest Rover Event
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Check out:
http://php.indiana.edu/~idgoss/story/story2.html
for details.  Contact me if you have questions
-Regards
-Ike Goss

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:59:39 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You might want to double check with that AAA lady and make certain you know what to do if you need a tow at 2am.  I had a problem with watered down gasoline that caused a fuel pump to die on the way to the Middy.  I called AAA at 1am and nobody ever showed up.  Waste of money unless you need directions to someplace.

My $0.02 worth.

Ron Ward

>>> [email-masked] 11/05/01 08:59PM >>>

   Looks like I'll be putting the recent thread on Land-Rover reliability to
the test. I have mapped out a +\- 2400 mile jaunt across country starting in
Central NY, to Winchester, Va....down the blue Ridge Parkway  and rejoining
I81 to Thatched Roof Garage in Tennessee (they don't know I'm coming).....
to family in Hendersonville, NC. From there to Knoxville, across route 70
to Nashville, up I24 to Clarksville, on to Land Between the Lakes for the
scenic part of Tennessee. On to Paducah, then route 60 to Poplar Bluff, and
Springfield, Missouri. At Springfield, I plan on heading north on 13 to
connect to 54, and follow it thru Wichita, then 50 thru Kansas to
Pueblo,Co.... then on to Colorado Springs (where I'll get a ride in Steve
Moore's 101FC!), and eventually up to Cheyenne, Wyoming. Whew!
    Any input from the masses? Do I need my head examined? Thanks to those
who have already given input. (!) Are there any oasis of spare parts just in
case? I plan on roughing it as much as possible, even though the camping
season is over. Any neat places to stay? Sites to see? Roadside diners to
try? Rover folk to stop and see for a quick coffee and share in my photo
album? Might there be a trials event going on? World's Largest Ball of
String?
   1 week and counting...you should have seen the face on the AAA lady when
I requested a trip tic.

Hank Rutherford
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:57:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- RON WARD <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> You might want to double check with that AAA lady
> and make certain you know what to do if you need a
> tow at 2am.  I had a problem with watered down
> gasoline that caused a fuel pump to die on the way
> to the Middy.  I called AAA at 1am and nobody ever
> showed up. 

Actually, the best way to get quick service out of AAA
is to call the local police and have them place the
call to AAA for you.

That gets their attention in a big way.

I must confess I have AAA and it has been a lifesaver
on more than one occasion - and not just with the
Rovers. A jump start for a very dead battery at
midnight on a Sunday night comes to mind, as does a
breakdown on 287 in Jersey during rush hour.

          Alan

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:08:40 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, this was my very first experience with AAA after joining earlier this year.  Not a good way to start off the relationship.  I ended up calling LR road side assistance and even though I am not the original owner of my Disco (it does have the LR Assured no deductable and transferable extended warranty) they had a truck out to me within = hour.  Still haven't heard a thing from AAA.

>>> [email-masked] 11/06/01 10:57AM >>>

--- RON WARD <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> You might want to double check with that AAA lady
> and make certain you know what to do if you need a
> tow at 2am.  I had a problem with watered down
> gasoline that caused a fuel pump to die on the way
> to the Middy.  I called AAA at 1am and nobody ever
> showed up. 

Actually, the best way to get quick service out of AAA
is to call the local police and have them place the
call to AAA for you.

That gets their attention in a big way.

I must confess I have AAA and it has been a lifesaver
on more than one occasion - and not just with the
Rovers. A jump start for a very dead battery at
midnight on a Sunday night comes to mind, as does a
breakdown on 287 in Jersey during rush hour.

          Alan

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:36:11 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] AAA been good to me
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Somebody said "I called AAA at 1am and nobody
ever showed up.  Waste of money unless you need directions to someplace."....

To which I say.....Bummer! I've had good luck with AAA. Once in '85 I stuck my '78 land cruiser in a swamp......The swamp froze overnight and the truck was well and truely stuck. Even though I was about 2 miles from the nearest road A young mechanic was exuberant to accompany me and tug it out.  I was impressed and he
was proud of his monster truck wrecker...No charge......The second time I used them was for a one time flatbed tow of another landcruiser (yeah I know-someday I'll learn - well maybe) to a junk yard. I added "plus" to my bare bones membership on the day of the tow for a resultant fee of  $0 for the extended tow.....Rob
M

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:36:33 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited
From: Smokey Briggs <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hank,

If you hang a right at Springfield you can run up to Warrensburg, MO and
pick up 50 there. In Warrensburg, downtown across from the Courthouse, is
one of the very best cafes in the world. Breakfast is great and the
blueplate is always fine. Thursday is fried chicken day. It is absolutely
worth a bit of a detour. Knob Noster (sp?) state park is right up from
Warrensburg and would be a good overnight. Good bass and catfish in the
lake. Catfish bite well year round.

Sounds like a fun trip to me. Crazy? Wrong guy to ask. I bought the 109 in
Great Falls Montana and drove her home to Pecos with a toolbag and a gas
can. 

Good luck,

Smokey Briggs
Pecos, Texas

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:57:41 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>    Any input from the masses? Do I need my head examined?

Hank,
Have a great trip.....Not necessarily the best but I've heard that Walmart allow camping in their lots....As headlights faded late one night on the way to South Carolina my wife and I called it quits and "slept" in our truck at a burger king on the New Jersey turnpike once....I woke up, assembled my bicycle and rode to
an auto parts store, got a new alternator put it in and away we went.....

As for having your head examined....I'd bet you have lots of secret admirers as a result of your intended road trip....

Rob M
Concord, MA

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:34:05 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway Revisited
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]> wrote:

> As for having your head examined....I'd bet you have
> lots of secret admirers as a result of your intended
> road trip....
> 

Of course, this is from the psycho who was replacing a
rear axle the week before an extended trip.....8)

                    ajr

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Message: 15
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: "uk-lro list" <[email-masked]>, "lro list" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:51:40 -0000
Subject: [lro] quota full
Reply-To: [email-masked]

please excuse the cross post people.
 It seems I have an email quota I didn't know I have...
It also seems as tho last week everyone I know (nearly) sent huge great
attachments, pix etc which went over my quota.
 As  a result ntl have bounced loads of mails.
 Not my fault, honest. I've been into webmail and I think I;ve caught most,
if not all.
 It was mostly down to an Australian lady who sends bmps... I will have to
have a word with her.

anyway, if you've sent personal mail which I never answered, and you think I
should have, do you want to try again please...
Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:11:31 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ah yes....fond memories I have of that.....Axlepalooza 2001! Our buddy
Lisa still talks about looking up from a phone call and seeing two grime
and oil covered "gentlemen" who didn't seem the least bit concerned
about being covered with oil and grime.....Now that turn signal/brake
light thing....THAT was eleventh hour....

"Alan J. Richer" wrote:

> --- Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> > As for having your head examined....I'd bet you have
> > lots of secret admirers as a result of your intended
> > road trip....
> >
>
> Of course, this is from the psycho who was replacing a
> rear axle the week before an extended trip.....8)
>
>                     ajr
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:15:50 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alan J. Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow?
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]> wrote:
....Now that
> turn signal/brake
> light thing....THAT was eleventh hour....
> 

Heck, no - you had time to go home and sleep before
you left! Hardly eleventh-hour....8*)

Turn signal replacement flasher: 1.98

Brake fluid: 3.49

Bribe bottle of whisky for Al: Too expensive

Finding a Land-Rover hydraulic brake light switch at
AutoZone....priceless.

       aj"Still working fine, I'll lay odds"r

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:53:55 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Bribe bottle of whisky for Al: Too expensive
>
> Finding a Land-Rover hydraulic brake light switch at
> AutoZone....priceless.
>
>        aj"Still working fine, I'll lay odds"r

tip top.....As for the whisky......Worth every penny

Cheers!

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:56:40 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] series 88 kid seats
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Is it possible/common/reccomended to set up a series 88 with front
facing rear seats to accomodate car seats for little nippers?

Rob "Honda accord for sale dream haunting me" M

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:26:42 -0800
Subject: Re: [lro] series 88 kid seats
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've been toying with the idea of a D90 rear bench, but the costs are high.
I have been told to look into a Suzuki Samurai rear bench of a J**p bench,
but haven't done the footwork yet.

First thing I want to do is to get a roll bar, then I will find a bench and
get the mighty midget in a seat back there.

If you find an answer to this, post it here.  I would like to see what
people are doing.  I am not comfortable with the fold up forward facing rear
seat option.

Jeff

on 11/6/01 10:56 AM, Rob MacCormick at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> Is it possible/common/reccomended to set up a series 88 with front
> facing rear seats to accomodate car seats for little nippers?
> 
> Rob "Honda accord for sale dream haunting me" M
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:25:57 -0500
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] series 88 kid seats
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I saw a IIa 88 with a D90 forward facing rear bench installed.  Took some real metal work, but it is possible.  If I can find a link, I'll pass along.

>>> [email-masked] 11/06/01 01:56PM >>>

Is it possible/common/reccomended to set up a series 88 with front
facing rear seats to accomodate car seats for little nippers?

Rob "Honda accord for sale dream haunting me" M
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Message: 22
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:32:05 -0000
Subject: [lro] new Range Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In case anyone cares, the first official pix of the new Range Rover are on
www.lrm.co.uk

mind you, having seen it I wouldn't bother, don't look much to me...
(and even if I could afford one I wouldn't buy it)

Best Cheers

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:46:55 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] series 88 kid seats
Reply-To: [email-masked]

first thing I gotta do is get an 88.......I'm on the long slow road of self
justification.....Step two then will be convincing SWMBO....Of course....by the
time I have an 88 I may not be needing car seats anymore..........

Jeff Bieler wrote:

> I've been toying with the idea of a D90 rear bench, but the costs are high.
> I have been told to look into a Suzuki Samurai rear bench of a J**p bench,
> but haven't done the footwork yet.
>
> First thing I want to do is to get a roll bar, then I will find a bench and
> get the mighty midget in a seat back there.
>
> If you find an answer to this, post it here.  I would like to see what
> people are doing.  I am not comfortable with the fold up forward facing rear
> seat option.
>
> Jeff
>
> on 11/6/01 10:56 AM, Rob MacCormick at [email-masked] wrote:
>
> >
> > Is it possible/common/reccomended to set up a series 88 with front
> > facing rear seats to accomodate car seats for little nippers?
> >
> > Rob "Honda accord for sale dream haunting me" M
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Message: 24
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:24:27 -0800
Subject: [lro] lro kid seats
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Seen an aftermarket seat for Jeep fit in an 80 inch.  Takes metal work
though.
Simon

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Message: 25
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Heat treating steel
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:05:36 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yeah, Al, I could have had this done, but...

It got costly. Plus, I didn't want to have to scrap the shaft if something
went wrong - the splines cut for sliding gear clusters and the like are damn
precise - and a scrapped part would have meant another 300$ of shop time
plus finding two other donor transmissions - one rover, one T-18. We had it
lined up perfect, and I decided to run it as is.  When you think about it,
all that torque goes through a couple of teeth on the output gear, so I
wasn't too worried - Fatigue failure is a concern for the long term...

The shaft currently lives behind my ford 300 inline six very happily - That
means the job is done. The only problem I see is in the very far future, if
ever I get a pair of gonzo lockers and I start beefing up the axles - to
something like 30 spline summers bros, then instead of snapping the
axleshafts, I might start blowing up internal tranny parts - But the grander
scheme of things sees me running an NV4500 with an LT77 transfer case and a
Cummins 3.4-6BT diesel... which means a clean slate... ;-)

 J-L

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From: Alan J. Richer <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Heat treating steel

>
> --- Jean-Leon Morin <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> the machinist that helped me with it is a
> gonzo
> fabrication whiz, and he said that we would be better
> to try and leave
> the
> welded area non-hardened as he had doubts at our
> ability to harden it
> effectively without getting a scale on the complete
> shaft, which means
> the
> precision surfaces would be screwed up.
>
>
> JL, you couldn't harden the damn thing in
> stainless-wrap in an inert atmosphere? That's what I'd
> have tried for, personally. Yeah, you might get a bit
> of scale, but I'd expect that  primarily in the
> buggered-about area - the machined bits probably could
> have been polished back to clean with little effort.
>
> I'm not disagreeing with you - just curious if it came
> up.
>
>          Alan
>
>
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:16:43 -0800
From: Paul Quin <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] 110 Sighting In Victoria
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I don't usually post LR sighting but this one was pretty unique.

Tonight at the Victoria BC  Home Depot (hardware store) parking lot, a mid
'80's 110 diesel, ala PKV vintage, right hand drive, with the "Bermuda Fire
Service" emblem on the doors.
BC lisence plates so I guess it's here to stay.

Sorry I couldn't hang around to wait for the owner...

Paul Quin
1961 SII 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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