Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #134 - 17 msgs

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 03:01:02 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 109" rear brake problems (Bill Fishel)
   2. Re: Electric Series Article (Keith Tanner)
   3. Re: Interstate motor speedway (Scott Wickham)
   4. Using a hilift on a series (apsilon)
   5. Re: Using a hilift on a series (Russ Wilson)
   6. missed mail (Winn Bearden)
   7. Re: Using a hilift on a series (Jim Hall)
   8. Re: Using a hilift on a series (Keith Tanner)
   9. Re: Using a hilift on a series (apsilon)
  10. Re: Using a hilift on a series (apsilon)
  11. Re: Using a hilift on a series (apsilon)
  12. Re: Using a hilift on a series (Paul Oxley)
  13. Re: Using a hilift on a series (Paul Oxley)
  14. Re: Using a hilift on a series (Paul Oxley)
  15. Re: Using a hilift on a series (apsilon)
  16. Moab photos (Keith Tanner)
  17. Re: Using a hilift on a series (Keith Tanner)

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Message: 1
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 109" rear brake problems
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:49:04 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Don't over tighten the adjusters. The brake should not drag.
I did this once and lived through it fortunately. The brakes over
heated and faded away to almost nothing.

Bill Fishel

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> From: Todd Kendrick <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] 109" rear brake problems
> Date: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:43 PM
> 
> 
> OK I now have brakes ! Congratulations to all of you who said the adjusters.
> I just did not have the rear brake adjusters tight enough. Tightened them
> down more and suddenly I have a 1/2 pedal on the first pump ! I think I can
> fine tune them now and get the pedal up a little more. Thanks for the input
> everyone !
> 
> 
> Todd Kendrick
> Taos, NM
> '66 109" P/U
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:35:57 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Electric Series Article
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I spend the week in Moab with Bob Rickard, the driver of the "stock" truck 
in this comparison and (I believe) the builder of the electric. His email 
is [email-masked] if you want full details. He's a hell of a driver.

Series trucks like Moab.

Keith

At 08:08 10/25/01, you wrote:

> > For anyone interested - there is an article on an electric
> > powered Series in the December 2001 issue of Four Wheeler.
> > Written by Jim Allen on page 91.  It's that Series from
> > the company called Wilde EVolutions.
> >
> > Tim Czajka
> > 1972 Series III 88
>
>This thread also came up on the Land Cruiser list.  One of the chief
>engineers who put it together is an uncle of a lister on the Land Cruiser
>list, and guess he and some other listers list have ridden in the truck.
>They say it actually feels and drives pretty strongly, where each gear sort
>of "whips" you back into your seat.  They perhaps may not be familar with
>Series Rovers :)  --  One thing about  the electric motor is that it
>apparently produces close to 100% of it's torque from start, hence that
>feeling.  The owners are supposedly real Rover fanatics and got a number of
>Rover companies to sponsor the project, and give them many required
>restoration parts for free.  Apparently they built it side by side with
>another Rover they restored so they could "get an accurate comparision"
>between the electric and gas versions.  Both had stock drivetrains and four
>speeds, as well as similar modifications.  I think they had quite a bit of
>fun with it, check out some of the truck's additions:
>http://store.wilde-evolutions.com/wilde/roverFaceOff.html
>
>Likewise, you can tell they are Rover enthusiasts based on some of the
>illustrations.  They chose to highlight all three knobs, even the
>illustration of the 88" exaust is correct.  Good work, I think!
>
>Andre
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Message: 3
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate motor speedway
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:10:43 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Job is taking me to Oak Ridge,
TN.

  Mitch, coming back this side of the Mississippi, great!  Then we'll see
you at some of the rallies next year?  Next one for us will be the Ground
Hog Day Rally the BRLRC put on.

Scooter

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Message: 4
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO List" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:51:43 +1000
Subject: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all,

It finally occurred to me that the series III I just bought didn't come with
a jack. As it's always the things you don't have that go wrong I figure I
should get one sooner rather than later. To that end I'm considering a
hilift style jack mostly because they can be used for things other than
changing a wheel.

My question is where are the recommended jacking points for using one of
these? The body is obviously out. I presume you can use the rear chassis at
the back but can the bumper be used at the front?

While I'm at it is there any reason I shouldn't buy one of the Canadian made
Jackall ones?

Thanks,
Matt.

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:45:47 -0700
From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Canadian Jackall is every bit as good if not better than the USA 
version.   I can't wait to to see the flood of emails this is going to 
get going....   sort of like asking if you should run oil or grease in 
the swivel balls  ;)   You can jack at either end, just use the usual 
caution.  Jacks of this design are a bit "tippy".

good luck

On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 05:51 PM, apsilon wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> It finally occurred to me that the series III I just bought didn't come 
> with
> a jack. As it's always the things you don't have that go wrong I 
> figure I
> should get one sooner rather than later. To that end I'm considering a
> hilift style jack mostly because they can be used for things other than
> changing a wheel.
>
> My question is where are the recommended jacking points for using one of
> these? The body is obviously out. I presume you can use the rear 
> chassis at
> the back but can the bumper be used at the front?
>
> While I'm at it is there any reason I shouldn't buy one of the Canadian 
> made
> Jackall ones?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt.
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
>

Russ Wilson

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:28:41 -0400
From: Winn Bearden <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] missed mail
Reply-To: [email-masked]

    The local ISP (Which I co-founded years ago and wisely bailed) has
been upgrading equipment this week and in the process made a week's
worth of mail unretrievable.  So if anyone has been trying to reach me,
try again!

--
Winn Bearden          19XX SIIa/SIII/RR 100" Hybrid
P.O. Box 464          1967 NADA 109" SW (in pieces)
Americus, GA 31709    1998 Disco LE7
                      1990 110 Tdi SW

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:00:52 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

All I'm going to say is that a hi-lift type jack is not meant to be a
substitute for a hydraulic/sissor/ normal car type jack. They are too 
unstable to use for tire changing or working on the vehicle unless it is
used to jack the car up, and it is then put on jack stands.

apsilon wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It finally occurred to me that the series III I just bought didn't come with
> a jack. As it's always the things you don't have that go wrong I figure I
> should get one sooner rather than later. To that end I'm considering a
> hilift style jack mostly because they can be used for things other than
> changing a wheel.
> 
> My question is where are the recommended jacking points for using one of
> these? The body is obviously out. I presume you can use the rear chassis at
> the back but can the bumper be used at the front?
> 
> While I'm at it is there any reason I shouldn't buy one of the Canadian made
> Jackall ones?
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt.
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:11:44 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nothing wrong with the Canadian Jack-All :) It's what I've got in Basil. 
They don't come with the (weak) clamp at the top and have a slightly larger 
foot than a Hi-Lift. The shape of the "girder" is slightly different, so if 
you want to use the excellent Jack Mate with it, you need to get one of the 
newer galvy ones and forgo the usual yellow.

You've figured the jacking points - the front and back. They need a spot of 
lube once in a while so they ratchet down properly (usually this is 
discovered after the jack is fully loaded) and as mentioned they are tippy. 
The Irish triallers I met this weekend like to lift a truck up on the jack 
and then tip it sideways off an obstacle. Yikes.

Keith

At 00:00 27-10-01, you wrote:

>All I'm going to say is that a hi-lift type jack is not meant to be a
>substitute for a hydraulic/sissor/ normal car type jack. They are too
>unstable to use for tire changing or working on the vehicle unless it is
>used to jack the car up, and it is then put on jack stands.
>
>apsilon wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It finally occurred to me that the series III I just bought didn't come 
> with
> > a jack. As it's always the things you don't have that go wrong I figure I
> > should get one sooner rather than later. To that end I'm considering a
> > hilift style jack mostly because they can be used for things other than
> > changing a wheel.
> >
> > My question is where are the recommended jacking points for using one of
> > these? The body is obviously out. I presume you can use the rear chassis at
> > the back but can the bumper be used at the front?
> >
> > While I'm at it is there any reason I shouldn't buy one of the Canadian 
> made
> > Jackall ones?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt.
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
>
>--
>Jim Hall
>1966 88" Elephant Chaser
>http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
>"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
>with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Message: 9
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:13:26 +1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>  sort of like asking if you should run oil or grease in  the swivel balls
;)

So Russ, which should I use, grease or oil ;)

I haven't found a way to get a car off the ground that I didn't consider a
bit tippy other than a 4 post. For changing wheels with the proper
precautions I think it'll be fine. I certainly won't be under any car at all
using any type of jack.

Thanks,
Matt.

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Message: 10
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:20:18 +1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> All I'm going to say is that a hi-lift type jack is not meant to be a
> substitute for a hydraulic/sissor/ normal car type jack. They are too
> unstable to use for tire changing or working on the vehicle unless it is
> used to jack the car up, and it is then put on jack stands.

I can understand your concerns, the design makes them inherently unstable
but I think with peoper precautions they would be adequate for changing a
wheel. Working on the vehicle without other supports, no way.

Matt.

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Message: 11
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:26:50 +1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Nothing wrong with the Canadian Jack-All :) It's what I've got in Basil.

I should've known :)

Jack Mate? Can you point me to some more info, I don't think I've heard of
it.

> The Irish triallers I met this weekend like to lift a truck up on the jack
> and then tip it sideways off an obstacle. Yikes.

That would've been interesting. Hope you had a great trip. I presume you'll
have photos up in the next few days?

Matt.

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:30:25 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

apsilon wrote:
 
> While I'm at it is there any reason I shouldn't buy one of the Canadian made
> Jackall ones?

Don't they have a different type of climbing bar? With holes in the
front side as opposed to the hi-lift with the holes going through from
side to side?

If so, then when the climbing bar bends (they ALL bend at some stage,
don't ask me how I know), then the climbing mechanism won't be able to
climb anymore.

Sorry, we don't get many Jackall out here, mostly hi-lift and a local
make, Jumbo. I wouldn't use anything other than hi-lift.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:40:54 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Keith Tanner wrote:

> The Irish triallers I met this weekend like to lift a truck up on the jack
> and then tip it sideways off an obstacle. Yikes.

No 'yikes' about it, that's one of its biggest advantages.

Regards

Paul ("Timber!!!!") Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:41:28 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin.com
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jim Hall wrote:
> They are too
> unstable to use for tire changing or working on the vehicle unless it is
> used to jack the car up, and it is then put on jack stands.

Agreed.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 15
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:52:11 +1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Don't they have a different type of climbing bar? With holes in the
> front side as opposed to the hi-lift with the holes going through from
> side to side?

Didn't look like it to me. I could be wrong though, I wasn't looking at
details at this stage.

> Sorry, we don't get many Jackall out here, mostly hi-lift and a local
> make, Jumbo. I wouldn't use anything other than hi-lift.

That's OK, so far I haven't found a place that sells Hi-lift locally.

Matt.

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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:56:57 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Moab photos
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think there will be a few people looking for Series trucks after this 
past week at On The Road (aka Camp Rover West). Basil was a big hit, 
dripping character all over the trails :) It was amazing seeing how easy 
some of the obstacles looked for the Defenders - but then a good Series 
driver would make it all look simple. Now I need to install a better driver 
in my truck.

Some photos:
http://keith.miata.net/postcards

Keith
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:54:44 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Using a hilift on a series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> > While I'm at it is there any reason I shouldn't buy one of the Canadian 
> made
> > Jackall ones?
>
>Don't they have a different type of climbing bar? With holes in the
>front side as opposed to the hi-lift with the holes going through from
>side to side?

Nope. The biggest difference is the colour scheme and the extra 1000 lbs of 
rating for the Canadian one :) Here's a photo of my Jackall: 
http://keith.miata.net/landy/images/jack_mount.jpg .

A comparison: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/jackall/
The Jackmate: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/jackmate/ (this is where I 
bought mine)

Keith
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