Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #132 - 40 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 16g tank in an 88 (apsilon)
   2. Re: 109 brake drums (Larry Smith)
   3. RE: opinions requested (Easton Trevor A)
   4. Disco Brush Bar (Easton Trevor A)
   5. RE: 109 brake drums (Easton Trevor A)
   6. Re: Disco Brush Bar ([email-masked])
   7. Re: Weber 32/36 DGV (Hope Peter)
   8. Re: 16g tank in an 88 (Hope Peter)
   9. Galvinized Frame 109 6cyl (Eric Riston)
  10. Series Land Rover Winch Mount (Mark Pilkington)
  11. Re: Electric Series Article (Mark Pilkington)
  12. Re: Weber 32/36 DGV (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  13. Re: Electric Series Article (Gerald)
  14. RE: Series Land Rover Winch Mount (Sergi, Michael)
  15. Pick up lines (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  16. RE: Pick up lines (Easton Trevor A)
  17. Re: Disco Brush Bar (Scott Wickham)
  18. Re: Weber 32/36 DGV (Peter Ogilvie)
  19. RE: Disco Brush Bar (Easton Trevor A)
  20. Re: Weber 32/36 DGV (Peter Ogilvie)
  21. Re: Re: Spring over swap for a Series (Peter Ogilvie)
  22. Re: Interstate Motor Speedway (Peter Ogilvie)
  23. Re: Pick up lines (William J. Rice)
  24. Peter, suing for peace (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  25. RE: Pick up lines (Tackley, John)
  26. Re: Electric Series Article (Tim Czajka)
  27. Re: The Italian Job (was LROI magazine) ([email-masked])
  28. Re: Re: Electric Series Article ([email-masked])
  29. Re: Pick up lines (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  30. Re: Disco Brush Bar (Frank Elson)
  31. Re: Re: Electric Series Article (Jeff Bieler)
  32. Re: Photos of my "new" series III (N Forbes)
  33. Re: Land Rover Identity (Kirk Hillman)
  34. Charleston S.C. LR mechanic? (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  35. Re: Weber 32/36 DGV (Hope Peter)
  36. Interstate motor speedway (The Stockdales)
  37. Dwell angle (Peter Monk)
  38. RE: Peter, suing for peace (Easton Trevor A)
  39. Re: Pick up lines (Kirk Hillman)
  40. Re: Pick up lines (Mark  Love)

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Message: 1
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 16g tank in an 88
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:48:36 +1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

All of the necessary contact details can be found at www.fwd.com.au It's
their part number PP13. You may want to check the price to confirm it's
still current and for anyone in Australia that price is ex GST

Pete, I don't know US laws but you may have to pay import duty and/or other
taxes as well as the shipping. I'd suggest checking all that out first, the
last thing you want is to be stuck with a bill for as much as the product
cost in the first place.

Matt.

> Do you have the contact info for the supplier?
> Thx
> Pete
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Message: 2
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 109 brake drums
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:37:04 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn, et al,

Have been working on a '71 88.  Must be a transitional truck.  Has IIA dash,
but a III heater and under dash air distribution unit like a III.  Has III
brakes (plastic reservoir, vacuum assist, etc.) and the III sized wheel
lugs.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Sent: 21 October, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] 109 brake drums

>
> >I have also noticed on BP web page that there seems to be a change in
drums
> >from '71 on.  Is this to do with different sizes of wheel studs?  Are
they
> >otherwise interchangeable?
>
> The Land Rover parts books do not say why they make a change.  They just
> provide different part numbers and most times the year of the change.  I
> think you are right though.  THey changed wheel studs at about the same
> time.
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
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>
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Message: 3
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] opinions requested
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:16:37 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A friend has a TLC FJ-60 with the little electric driven fan for the carby.
Neat-o idea.

Seriously, though - seems to me a simple ram-air rig would be a good thing
in this situation. Personally, I've never had a heat problem with fuel
unless it was vapor lock because of a bad fuel pump. O course, I live in
the cool Northeast (but it isn't in the Summer!).

One year en route to the MAR I encountered the fuel vapuor in the float bowl
problem. The quick solution was to rig the screen washer to squirt water on
the carb whenever the conditions were such that it was a problem (hot
restarts). Longer term a heat shield under the carb seems to have solved the
problem.

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Message: 4
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'Travis Garrett'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:31:51 -0400
Subject: [lro] Disco Brush Bar
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=597114764
is a stainless steel brush bar that I have listed You could put a bid on it
or ask me really nicely to make a drawing so you could build your own.

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Message: 5
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] 109 brake drums
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:39:37 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Larry, did you get your scotch?

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Message: 6
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:41:20 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco Brush Bar
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 10/24/01 9:34:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=597114764 >>
Trevor:

Will this bar work on a 96 disco?

Dave Walls

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Message: 7
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Weber 32/36 DGV
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:22:54 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Stock is 135/140.  Have gone to 145/150 on
> one truck.  Still using the stock jets on my 8-1/2.5 cam engine without
any
> problems, however.

> A possible problem with the two barrel is a flat spot when the 2nd venturi
> opens.  Haven't seen the problem on my 2 trucks but its been reported.
> Don't know whether a jet change is a possible solution.  Pierce does offer
a
> progressive kit that marries the two venturis so they open together

I have 135/140 jets and the non-progressive linkages.  This means my
secondary opens up very close to the main.
I am still having a richnes problem.  Have replaced the ignition system to
ensure it's operating correctly.  This included new dizzy, allison ignition,
cap, rotor and wires.
Since moving to Bremerton it's been even richer.  And I am living and
driving at 500-1000 feet (was near sea level in Hawaii).  Colder air temps
do effect the air:fuel ratio but don't remember if it enriches or leans.
Just hit me that my richness could be related to the linkage.  I am going to
try 125/130 jetts and see how that does for me.

Pete

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Message: 8
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 16g tank in an 88
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:26:28 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> All of the necessary contact details can be found at www.fwd.com.au It's
> their part number PP13. You may want to check the price to confirm it's
> still current and for anyone in Australia that price is ex GST
>
> Pete, I don't know US laws but you may have to pay import duty and/or
other
> taxes as well as the shipping. I'd suggest checking all that out first,
the
> last thing you want is to be stuck with a bill for as much as the product
> cost in the first place.

Matt,
thank you for the url.
While in Hawaii we did order some stuff from OZ...and from fwd.
There are dutys and customs fees but have found that when compared to prices
from the rovers parts places on the mainland it was still much cheeper.  I
was even getting stuff cheeper from the UK.  I will definately compare
shipping now that I live on the mainland.

Thanks again
Pete

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Message: 9
From: "Eric Riston" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:50:57 -0400
Subject: [lro] Galvinized Frame 109 6cyl
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Atlantic British has a 109 5door 6cyl galvinized frame on special for
$1850.00. This is a one off shipped to us in error from england. It HAS to
be picked up at AB. If anyone is interested please give me a call.
Cheers
Eric

Eric Riston
1 800 533 2210 x 231
Land Rover Club Contact and
Senior Retail Sales Rep. for
Atlantic British

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:20:58 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Series Land Rover Winch Mount
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just removed a very strong and substantial front winch mount from my Series
IIa.  It is for sale.  It incorporates a slightly shortened Land Rover bumper
and a large strong heavy mounting plate with a hole for the cable.  There is
no winch with it.  It simply bolts on instead of the standard bumper.  Anyone
want it for $100.  It weighs about 70lbs and so should not be shipped.  Let
me know.  I can send photos as well if anyone wants to see the design.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:22:07 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Electric Series Article
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Is there an online link to it?

Tim Czajka wrote:

> For anyone interested - there is an article on an electric
> powered Series in the December 2001 issue of Four Wheeler.
> Written by Jim Allen on page 91.  It's that Series from
> the company called Wilde EVolutions.
>
> Tim Czajka
> 1972 Series III 88
>
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Message: 12
Subject: Re: [lro] Weber 32/36 DGV
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 01 08:30:51 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>BP has a prejudiced write up on the 32-36.

Doing work for them I noticed this tendency right away.  They carry some 
products that I can not help but think they do not want to sell.  My 
guess is that if they get a lot of customer complaints about a product 
and loose money dealing with customer returns they do a "prejudiced write 
up"

They are stuck in a hard place between customer demand for a product and 
dealing with customer complaints after purchase. (This is my guess).

The 32-36 is probably a fine carb that is as close as you are going to 
get to the stock carb that came on the 2.5L LR engines, but BP has had to 
spend a lot of time dealing with unhappy customers who can not get them 
dialed in to their engine.

My guess is you should have a healthy 8:1 or 9:1 engine and a 2.5L cam 
before considering a close approximation of the carb that came stock on 
an engine with 8:1 head and 2.5L cam.

Anything more than a Zenith would probably be wasted on a 7:1 
compression, 2.25 cam'ed engine.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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Message: 13
From: Gerald <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Electric Series Article
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:48:03 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Don't know about the magazine article, but here is a web page with more
information: http://store.wilde-evolutions.com/wilde/rover.html

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:22:07 -0700, you wrote:

>
>Is there an online link to it?
>

--
Gerald
[email-masked]

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Message: 14
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Series Land Rover Winch Mount
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:03:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Can you send me some photos of the design?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:21 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] Series Land Rover Winch Mount
> 
> 
> 
> I just removed a very strong and substantial front winch 
> mount from my Series
> IIa.  It is for sale.  It incorporates a slightly shortened 
> Land Rover bumper
> and a large strong heavy mounting plate with a hole for the 
> cable.  There is
> no winch with it.  It simply bolts on instead of the standard 
> bumper.  Anyone
> want it for $100.  It weighs about 70lbs and so should not be 
> shipped.  Let
> me know.  I can send photos as well if anyone wants to see the design.
> Kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:18:58 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Pick up lines
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>If the fuel probe is unmolested, it has a fine wire mesh screen around it.  
>This screen can get crud and algae growing on it so all or part is blocked.  

The last time I had my tank out, I noticed that the wire mesh pre-filter on
the end of the pick ip tube had disappeared completely.  No traces of it in
the tank, and the tube itself looked as clean as if it had been dipped in
acid.  I attempted to solder up another out of bronze mesh, but my attempts
were to ham-handed to pass muster.  So I have been running with a naked
tube for several years now.  Every so often, I'll make an attempt to find
some kind of filter 'sock' that I can hose clamp over the end, but the
filters for 'modern' in-the-tank fuel pumps aren't compatible in size or
diameter.  John Tackly sourced a neat filter for a Binks paint spray gun,
but that is internal and I think it would plug very easily.  Other than
buying a new pickup tube, has anybody found a good
substitute/bodge/alternative?

I did have a problem with fuel delivery getting to the MAR...every so
often, like when I'd really need the acceleration, the engine would stumble
and almost die, sometime letting out a tremendous backfire.  A pull to the
side of the road and the motor would idle sweetly with no signs of
distress.  Now I have this clear glass filter just ahead of the carb and
several times when this event happened, I would immediately kill the
engine, coast to the side in neutral (so the mechanical fuel pump would
keep working) and pop the bonnet.  The fuel filter was always full, so I
figured that everything ahead of that point was good.  Must be occasional
crud in the carb blocking the main jet, I thought, and then falling to the
bottom when the vacuum is lessened.  Pulled the carb to bits, but that
didn't help.

The last time it happened, once again, when I *really* needed to step on
the gas, I coasted into a gas station.  After fill-up and some dry-gas
additive, I eyed the filter suspiciously.  Now it is clear glass and I
could see the element, which looked just fine.  Pulled it anyway, and
replaced the thing.  Upon closer inspection, I found that the surface of
the filter was covered with a fine, almost invisible film, a soft varnish,
such that it was allowing only a limited amount of fuel to pass.  This
reduced flow was fine for steady motoring or at idle, but not enough when
you needed to put your foot in it.  The carb bowl would drain, suck air,
and backfire impressively.

As for the source of the problem, I have no one but myself to blame.  I've
been trying to get rid of 10 gallons of year-old boat gas by adding a
couple of gallons at every fill-up.  The sediment bowl never picked up
anything....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
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Message: 16
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Pick up lines
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:19:24 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The title misled me a first.;-)

Say, sweetheart, that's a intersting winch mount you have there.

"Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>If the fuel probe is unmolested, it has a fine wire mesh screen around it.

>This screen can get crud and algae growing on it so all or part is blocked.

The last time I had my tank out, I noticed that the wire mesh pre-filter on
the end of the pick ip tube had disappeared completely.  No traces of it in
the tank, and the tube itself looked as clean as if it had been dipped in
acid.  I attempted to solder up another out of bronze mesh, but my attempts
were to ham-handed to pass muster.    Other than
buying a new pickup tube, has anybody found a good
substitute/bodge/alternative?

I've been running with a filter created from bronze mesh since 1994 when I
suffered from the dreaded "silicone snot syndrome" at the Down East Rally.
Ted Howard provided mesh and tools to make a new strainer. Persevere, Sandy,
it's not so difficult.

As for the source of the problem, I have no one but myself to blame.  I've
been trying to get rid of 10 gallons of year-old boat gas by adding a
couple of gallons at every fill-up.  The sediment bowl never picked up
anything....

Novel way of getting your tetraethyl lead

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Message: 17
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco Brush Bar
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:39:46 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

is a stainless steel brush bar that I have listed You could put a bid on it

  I'm sure there's been a HUGE influx of newer Rover parts on Ebay after the
MAR auction/raffle/give away ;)

Scooter

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Message: 18
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Weber 32/36 DGV
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:05:43 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Anything more than a Zenith would probably be wasted on a 7:1
>compression, 2.25 cam'ed engine.
>TeriAnn Wakeman

I'd agree that adding a 32-36 to a stock 7-1 engine will not turn it into a 
rocket, may not even turn it into a gerbil on a treadmill.  Maybe I got 
lucky, but the 32-36 has not been a problem, whatsoever, on my stock 
engines.  The other problems I pointed out, icing, vapor lock, flat spot, 
have been reported, though I haven't experienced them.  Still might have 
been enough of a problem to scare BP off.  With a 2.5 cam and higher 
compression you're going to need better carburetion.  Your choice is the 
weber 32-36 or the Rochester.  The Rochester is a good cheap alternative but 
I understand they are not noted for economy.  Oops, almost forgot the ACR SU 
carb which is 'sposed to be another good alternative though even pricier 
than the Weber with manifold.
Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Message: 19
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Disco Brush Bar
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:09:33 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

SSSShhh, someone might hear what I paid for it.

#132 mats for the Freelander for $5.00 wow.

Pity it was a one time auction. It would be a great incentive to attend next
year.

Almost sold the New Rangie roof rack for Bill Leacock to a fellow from
Colorado in Virginia Beach, but he was too cheap to pay $40 for it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Wickham [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:40 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco Brush Bar

is a stainless steel brush bar that I have listed You could put a bid on it

  I'm sure there's been a HUGE influx of newer Rover parts on Ebay after the
MAR auction/raffle/give away ;)

Scooter
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Message: 20
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Weber 32/36 DGV
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:16:27 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter H.

The non progressive kit has smaller than 135/140 jets with it.  Don't know 
how much smaller but the 135/140 jets are the cause of your running too 
rich.  Pierce or BP should be able to get you in the ball park for the right 
size for a non progressive linkage.

Didn't you have a 2.5 carb???  Understand it was a weber but not the 32/36.  
Know you had some problems getting it to work, what was the problem??  If 
the 2.5 carb would work on a 2.25, would probably be the cheapest higher 
performance set up if procured used from England.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] Weber 32/36 DGV
>Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:22:54 -0700
>
>
> > Stock is 135/140.  Have gone to 145/150 on
> > one truck.  Still using the stock jets on my 8-1/2.5 cam engine without
>any
> > problems, however.
>
> > A possible problem with the two barrel is a flat spot when the 2nd 
>venturi
> > opens.  Haven't seen the problem on my 2 trucks but its been reported.
> > Don't know whether a jet change is a possible solution.  Pierce does 
>offer
>a
> > progressive kit that marries the two venturis so they open together
>
>I have 135/140 jets and the non-progressive linkages.  This means my
>secondary opens up very close to the main.
>I am still having a richnes problem.  Have replaced the ignition system to
>ensure it's operating correctly.  This included new dizzy, allison 
>ignition,
>cap, rotor and wires.
>Since moving to Bremerton it's been even richer.  And I am living and
>driving at 500-1000 feet (was near sea level in Hawaii).  Colder air temps
>do effect the air:fuel ratio but don't remember if it enriches or leans.
>Just hit me that my richness could be related to the linkage.  I am going 
>to
>try 125/130 jetts and see how that does for me.
>
>Pete
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Message: 21
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Spring over swap for a Series
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:33:59 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes only one leaf is anchored on the stock springs.  The emergency leaf that 
wraps around would only come into contact with anything solid if the main 
leaf fails or the spring slides to the side and contacts the shackle.  The 
leaf below the master leaf is ancored the same way.  The primary side to 
side load is held by the single main leaf and friction of the other leaves.  
Now the friction is not insubstantial but IS the problem with the stock 
springs, in the first place.  If memory serves me right, you've gone to 
great trouble to eliminate interleaf friction with your springs.

TAW, your going to continue your religious belief in the illusory side sway 
problem of the parabolics, no matter what.  I'm driving on Parabolics and 
have not experienced your supposed problem, whatsoever.  Think I'll stick 
with the parabolics and continue to blow holes in the poorly thought out 
logic of those who don't have them.  It's my back and It's going to last a 
lot longer with parabolics.

I've got both TI Console and RM parabolics, both have the springs firmly 
locked together in the middle and at the ends.  That's why they work the way 
they do.

Someone mentioned seeing a 109 that appeared to bounce with parabolics.  
Someone else pointed out that bounce is a function of the shocks.  
Parabolics require better shocks because they don't have the self dampening 
effect of rust working for them and they are more supple.  FWIW, I couldn't 
tell the difference between having shocks and not having shocks with stock 
springs.  Didn't seem to make much difference whether they were new or old.  
By removing leaves, gave a set to Peter H. who did that, adding a non 
friction material between the leafs and you can get a more supple spring but 
probably at the expense of resistance to major impact or heavy weight.

Someone else, who I believe was anti parabolic, had the ulitmate answer for 
off road performance in a Series.  If you really want to compete with the 
big boys, put in locking diffs.  Even with parabolics, the series has an 
articulation problem that tends to lift driven wheels off the ground.  That 
stops the Series truck long before more supple suspensioned vehicles are 
forced to a halt.  Get a locker and go everywhere.  If your choice is 
parabolics or a locker, for an off road truck, go with the locker.  If your 
choice is new stock springs or parabolics, your going to be a lot happier 
with parabolics.  If you can afford it, get both.

Personally, parabolics are not a big improvement for on road ride.  I love 
them off road because they are a significant improvement in the ride.  Not 
Disco quality, but a whole lot less than the typical rusted together stock 
spring set up.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
>The top two leaves encircle the end bushings and the third one down stops
>along the bottom just under the spring bushing.  The fourth springs is
>about an inch'ish shorter.
>
>So at the bushing there are not one, not two but three leaves sandwiched
>together. Both front and rear under my OEM springs.
>
> >  All the
> >other leaves are anchored at the center but, except for the two 
>relatively
> >ineffective straps have no restraint for side loads.
>
>Umm they are very tightly sandwiched together by the shape of the springs
>and the weight of the vehicle.  There is some sliding movement possible
>between the leaves but they have a very high resistance to torsional
>rotation.  Remember that tightly sandwiched together leaves basically act
>as a single block of steel to torsional forces.
>
> >Parabolics are not only bent to a different curve (parabola vs 
>ellipse)but
> >the leaves are welded to each other at the ends and middle.
>
>Really?  What brand do you have?
>
>
>
>
>TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
>Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
>[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

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Message: 22
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:30:44 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If boredom is high on your list of fun, driving esst/west or viceversa 
across Nebraska including the panhandle can take the better part of a year, 
at least it seems that way.  Have done it twice, once in a Packard hearse 
firing on 7 of 8 cylinders and the other in a VW bus loaded to the top of 
the roof rack and pulling a trailer.  Neither one was in danger of breaking 
the speed limit, especially with a head wind. Nebraska, with the exception 
of the area directly around Omaha, does a real good imitation of flat land 
covered with corn and other grain crops and not much else.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] Interstate Motor Speedway
>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:39:42 -0600
>
>
>Well, as a child, I had to endure one too many trips across Kansas. So
>my attitude is that 400 miles of cornfields is not very exciting, no
>matter how you go. It isn't so bad towards Kansas City, but the rest...
>  I had an aunt who swore that she would never drive across Kansas again,
>and she didn't.
>
>(owned by harderr) wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Jim Hall wrote:
> >
> > i think that is dependant upon the vehicle you drive and your
> > attitude.  i think kansas is beautiful in a series but in the
> > rangie, i found myself anxious to speed across as fast as possible.
> > in the series, i usually have the door tops off and know i will
> > camp somewhere.  i stop at pony express monuments and watch
> > the weather.  it doesn't have to be boring.  ray from missouri...
>
>--
>Jim Hall
>1966 88" Elephant Chaser
>http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
>"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
>with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Message: 23
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:40:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] Pick up lines
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Speaking of pick up lines, a friend of mine was standing on the sidewalk
smoking when a woman rudely announced to him that her husband had just
died from smoking.  He replied, "does that mean you're available?"

bill

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 01 13:06:55 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Peter, suing for peace
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>TAW, your going to continue your religious belief in the illusory side sway 
>problem of the parabolics, no matter what.  I'm driving on Parabolics

We have agreed that we are fighting religious wars on oposit sides.  Let 
as agree to disagree on this aspect and go back to getting along anyway.  
I have no wish to keep fighting you when we both KNOW the other is wrong 
and that the other is a bit blind and daft when it comes to each other's 
springs.

Peace.  I'll bring along an extra bottle of ale for you at the next 
Portland All British Field meet.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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Message: 25
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:33:20 -0400
Subject: [lro] RE: Pick up lines
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I ran that internal paint sprayer screen for better than 3 yrs. w/o
problems.  
Perhaps any crud just falls back out when the flow ebbs?
Also, didn't someone recently report a Volkswagon pickup screen was nearly
identical to the original LR one?

JT/ric

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Message: 26
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:19:29 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Electric Series Article
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark Pilkington wrote:
>Is there an online link to it?
>
The article is not posted on the Four Wheeler web site - they
want you to buy the magazine:)  But Gerald posted a link to
Wilde EVolution's test of their Series IIA electric against a
petrol Series IIA.  This was discussed here a while back.
The Four Wheeler article is about this same test with some
info about the motor, batteries etc.  I view electric for
off-road as more of a curiosity than anything at this
point - at least until we get some new battery technology
etc.  Although I wouldn't mind having the electric
low end torque - according to the Four Wheeler article
it makes 450 lb-ft of torque starting right at 0 rpm.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 27
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:44:00 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: The Italian Job (was LROI magazine)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Ah yes, but you can probably find a clean rust free series truck preserved 
>with Olive Oil and a V-12 Ferrari under the hood.

So far, they seem to be very well hidden. I've seen a couple of Series rigs 
here in Tuscany and down on the road from Poggibonsi to Castelfiorentino, 
there's a Rover dealer  with everything in the yard from Rangies to Series 
III's. I'll check it out on the way back to Terni if they let me have a car. 

Ian Kelly (Tuscany, Italy)
1970 Series IIA 88" (Los Angeles)
"what kind of bad geographical planning is this"

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Message: 28
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:14:35 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Electric Series Article
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If it's an 88 around Jerome, Arizona I saw it a couple years back while up 
there.
Just doubled check the pic on the club site 
(http://www.geocities.com/glrainfo/rangerover.html) it is the same company.
scott
Rochester, MI
1968 '109 reg

> The article is not posted on the Four Wheeler web site - they
> want you to buy the magazine:)  But Gerald posted a link to
> Wilde EVolution's test of their Series IIA electric against a
> petrol Series IIA.  This was discussed here a while back.
> The Four Wheeler article is about this same test with some
> info about the motor, batteries etc.  I view electric for
> off-road as more of a curiosity than anything at this
> point - at least until we get some new battery technology
> etc.  Although I wouldn't mind having the electric
> low end torque - according to the Four Wheeler article
> it makes 450 lb-ft of torque starting right at 0 rpm.
> 
> Tim Czajka
> 1972 Series III 88

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Message: 29
Subject: Re: [lro] Pick up lines
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:15:05 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

John Tackly sourced a neat filter for a Binks paint spray gun,
but that is internal and I think it would plug very easily.  Other than
buying a new pickup tube, has anybody found a good
substitute/bodge/alternative?

Yup - there are similar external filters available for HVLP spray guns -
take a look at the Campbell-Hausfield stuff at Home Depot. THink I saw them
there...

Also, there are nice stainless-steel mesh filters used over the pickup
tubes on soda kegs (believe Cornelius type). Had them on my brewing kegs
and tossed them out long before I did Land-Rovers....

                         ajr

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Message: 30
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco Brush Bar
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:25:14 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

there was some stuff I could have made a profit on in the UK - only I had
enough trouble with security at Dulles as it was....
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Easton Trevor A" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: [lro] Disco Brush Bar

>
> SSSShhh, someone might hear what I paid for it.
>
> #132 mats for the Freelander for $5.00 wow.
>
> Pity it was a one time auction. It would be a great incentive to attend
next
> year.
>
> Almost sold the New Rangie roof rack for Bill Leacock to a fellow from
> Colorado in Virginia Beach, but he was too cheap to pay $40 for it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Wickham [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:40 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Disco Brush Bar
>
>
>
> is a stainless steel brush bar that I have listed You could put a bid on
it
>
>   I'm sure there's been a HUGE influx of newer Rover parts on Ebay after
the
> MAR auction/raffle/give away ;)
>
> Scooter
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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:34:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Electric Series Article
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've been to their web site before when I worked at Sanyo Energy and we were
approached about EV development, and just looked at it again.  I can't find
reference to specs for things such as road speed, range, etc.  They say they
compared it to a stock IIA and said it "out performed its gas sibling in
many ways" but don't have any details.

Not impressed by the lack of specifics.

on 10/24/01 2:14 PM, [email-masked] at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> If it's an 88 around Jerome, Arizona I saw it a couple years back while up
> there.
> Just doubled check the pic on the club site
> (http://www.geocities.com/glrainfo/rangerover.html) it is the same company.
> scott
> Rochester, MI
> 1968 '109 reg
> 
> 
>> The article is not posted on the Four Wheeler web site - they
>> want you to buy the magazine:)  But Gerald posted a link to
>> Wilde EVolution's test of their Series IIA electric against a
>> petrol Series IIA.  This was discussed here a while back.
>> The Four Wheeler article is about this same test with some
>> info about the motor, batteries etc.  I view electric for
>> off-road as more of a curiosity than anything at this
>> point - at least until we get some new battery technology
>> etc.  Although I wouldn't mind having the electric
>> low end torque - according to the Four Wheeler article
>> it makes 450 lb-ft of torque starting right at 0 rpm.
>> 
>> Tim Czajka
>> 1972 Series III 88
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Message: 32
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Photos of my "new" series III
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:34:48 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hey  Matt,
Looks like you got yourself a really nice truck. I agree the bullbar is a 
bit big. Must weigh a ton.

Could that thing be a fuel cutoff device related to the LPG?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 33
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Identity
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:33:19 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rich,
    Thanks for the heads up.  There has never been a data plate on my LR
since I bought it and it is rather complicated to prove to anyone that my LR
is really such and such as it says on my registration.

Kirk

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Message: 34
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 01 16:08:09 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Charleston S.C. LR mechanic?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone know a decent series LR mechanic within a reasonable towing 
distance of Charleston South Carolina?

Alisa B. Chessler ([email-masked]) has a broken LR she wants to 
get fixed.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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Message: 35
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Weber 32/36 DGV
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:09:23 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Didn't you have a 2.5 carb???  Understand it was a weber but not the
32/36.
> Know you had some problems getting it to work, what was the problem??  If
> the 2.5 carb would work on a 2.25, would probably be the cheapest higher
> performance set up if procured used from England.
>

Aloha,
yes I have a Weber 32/34 DMTL.  This is the 2bbl carb from a 2.5l petrol 90.
I also have the intake manifold.  One would also need a 2.5 exhaust manifold
or headers.  The bolt pattern where the two manifolds match up is different
between the 2.25 and 2.5.  I also still have a Weber one bbl and manifold
and a second pierce 2bbl manifold.
So I am going to rejet the 32/36 and maybe even play around with the other
carbs until I get here running great.
I sold my wire feeder before leaving honolulu.  Someone made me a good
offer, plus now I have a perfect excuse to get a lincoln 175 MIG.  After I
get the new garage reqired, I am going to fix the exhaust.  I am replacing
the 19$ muffler with a flowmaster.

Pete

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Message: 36
From: "The Stockdales" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:32:19 -0600
Subject: [lro] Interstate motor speedway
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hank;

While you are on your east to west trip, if you happen to see a green
Discovery pulling a trailer with a blue Norton headed east from west then
wave.

More importantly are any of you'all from east Tennessee?  I'm moving again,
saying goodbye to the beautiful mountains of Colorado for the next few
years.  One thing for sure, I'll be back.  Job is taking me to Oak Ridge,
TN.  Last time I was there back about 6 years ago there was a green 88 that
I would see once in awhile.

I'll also be real close to Tellico which will offer some mild 4 wheeling.
(You bet thats a challenge) And those little mountains (just hills really)
they call the smokies are near.

Hurricane Mitch

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Message: 37
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:38:32 -0400
From: Peter Monk <[email-masked]>
Organization: Math. Sci., University of Delaware
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Dwell angle
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What is the correct dwell angle for a 7:1 compression 2.25 engine?  Is
it the same as an 8:1?

Thanks in advance
Peter
'67 IIa SWB

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Message: 38
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'TeriAnn Wakeman '" <[email-masked]>, "'LRO list '"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Peter, suing for peace
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:15:06 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peace.  I'll bring along an extra bottle of ale for you at the next 
Portland All British Field meet.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

Only an extra bottle of ale!!!
I brought a bottle of single malt to MAR for Larry Smith and we weren't even
at war.

(OK so he asked me too and is paying for it, but.......)

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Message: 39
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Pick up lines
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:48:19 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a HVLP sprayer and Alan is absolutely correct, the filters are a
perfect fit, the problem being that most of them manufactured today are
plastic shell.  I don't know how it fares against gasoline, but against
varsol, lacquer thinner, and other misc. components I use it seems fine.  I
second trying a paint supplier.  Around here we even have specialty shops
next to some of the paint stores that deal only in sprayers.  That is where
you buy the commercial stuff.

Kirk

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Message: 40
From: "Mark  Love" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Pick up lines
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:29:55 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sandy, had the same problem w/ my series lla. BMW motorcycles use a brass mesh screen to cover the
petcock tubes. Snipped the built-in crush washer off w/scissors and soldered it to my pick up tube,
end of troubles. If anybody wants to order from a BMW m/c dealer ask for a petcock filter screen for
an 85 R100RT. Cheers, Mark Love

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