Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #127 - 54 msgs

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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:08:08 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: Flat Towing? (Easton Trevor A)
   2. RE: towing a rover (Easton Trevor A)
   3. Re: parabolic reply (John Cranfield)
   4. Disco question (Travis Garrett)
   5. Re: parabolic reply (Jeff Berg)
   6. Re: Flat Towing? (RON WARD)
   7. Re: Hella 3000 Mounts (RON WARD)
   8. Jay Peak (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
   9. Spark plugs (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  10. Re: Hella 3000 Mounts (Keith Tanner)
  11. Re: Re: Spring over swap for a Series (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  12. Re: Stuff MUST go!!!!! (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  13. Re: Hella 3000 Mounts (RON WARD)
  14. Re: Re: A rover 'Jones' (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  15. Re: Hella 3000 Mounts (Keith Tanner)
  16. Re: OT? Old Rover Binker for sale... (Dick Joltes)
  17. Re: Hella 3000 Mounts (asfco)
  18. Re: Hella 3000 Mounts (RON WARD)
  19. Re: Hella 3000 Mounts (Keith Tanner)
  20. Land Rover Identity (Mark Pilkington)
  21. Re: Land Rover Identity (Keith Tanner)
  22. RE: Land Rover Identity (Easton Trevor A)
  23. Re: parabolic reply (William J. Rice)
  24. Re: Land Rover Identity (David Scheidt)
  25. Re: Flat Towing? (Martin Rothman)
  26. Stock 88 tyre size & dia?? (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  27. Re: Stock 88 tyre size & dia?? (John Cranfield)
  28. LROI magazine (RON WARD)
  29. RE: Stock 88 tyre size & dia?? (Sergi, Michael)
  30. Re: LROI magazine (Keith Tanner)
  31. Re: LROI magazine (Brad Crittenden)
  32. Re: LROI magazine (John Cranfield)
  33. Re: Land Rover Identity (Hermen)
  34. Re: LROI magazine (RON WARD)
  35. Re: LROI magazine (RON WARD)
  36. Re: LROI magazine (John Cranfield)
  37. Re: New List Member, (Frank Elson)
  38. Re: Disco question (Frank Elson)
  39. Re: parabolic reply (N Forbes)
  40. RE: Disco question (Easton Trevor A)
  41. Re: Re: Spring over swap for a Series (N Forbes)
  42. Re: parabolic reply (N Forbes)
  43. Re: LROI magazine (N Forbes)
  44. Re: Land Rover Identity (Mark Pilkington)
  45. Re: LROI magazine (Peter Ogilvie)
  46. RE: Stock 88 tyre size & dia?? (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  47. RE:  taw  [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia?? (Peter Ogilvie)
  48. Re: parabolic reply (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  49. Re: Re: Spring over swap for a Series (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  50. Re: Stock 88 tyre size & dia?? (Kirk Hillman)
  51. Re: LROI magazine (John Cranfield)
  52. Re: Stock 88 tyre size & dia?? (John Cranfield)
  53. Re: Re: Spring over swap for a Series (Peter Ogilvie)
  54. Wheel stud threads (William L Leacock)

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Message: 1
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Flat Towing?
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:12:31 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

-
Be sure the ball on your hitch is on real tight with a lock washer and 
LocTite or, preferably, welded.  I nearly lost my 109 to a loosened tow ball

and there is someone on the list who got to wave at his 109 on a trailer as 
it passed him.

And be sure your ball matches the hitch. I once saw a boat and trailer at
the marina that had just travelled 200 miles. As he backed down the ramp,
the trailer, with its 2 1/2' hitch, just lifted off the 2" ball and rolled
to the end of the safety chains. Lucky he had lots of nose weight on the
trailer!! It could have parted company at speed on the highway.

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Message: 2
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] towing a rover
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:30:38 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Should be fine so long as you have the steering tie rod on the axle. Might
get some oscillation at high speeds, but that's easily solved by not going
fast. I'm assuming you are not going very far. Of course you could put on
the a frame so that the front wheels don't even touch the ground so long as
your towing vehicle can handle the weight. Don't forget the oil in the axles
and hubs too.

While we're speaking of towing, what about flat towing just the frame 
and axles minus the steering components? I need to get some welding 
done and it seems to be the simplest way to get it there.

Aaron

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:04:25 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolic reply
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In Jeff's case the only instability is caused by the loose nut behind
the syeering wheel:)
John and Muddy 

Jeff Berg wrote:
> 
> I've had no hint of instability with the parabolic springs on FINSUP.
> 
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Message: 4
From: "Travis Garrett" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:20:27 -0500
Subject: [lro] Disco question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, I didn't have to disconnect the battery and apparently have
fixed the problem.  I have probably gone through about
10-15 cycles, but the light reset itself last night.

Thanks for the heads up,

Travis
97 Disco
Arkansas

>$40!?!  You are getting off easy!  I wanted the local dealer to 'pull the
>codes' to see what O2 sensors needed replacing.  $140.  No lie...just for
>hooking that bloody Testbook up for a few seconds.

>If you have solved the problem, the light will reset itself in 4-6 'cycles'
>(start-drive-stop) if the problem doesn't recur.

>Cheers

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:24:53 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolic reply
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>In Jeff's case the only instability is caused by the loose nut behind
>the syeering wheel:)
>John and Muddy
>
>Jeff Berg wrote:

I was referring to vehicular stability. My mental condition is as 
questionable--if not more so--as ever!

jeff

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:47:01 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Flat Towing?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Transfer case in neutral, gear lever in 4.  For longer pulls, drop front and rear drive shafts.

Ron Ward

>>> [email-masked] 10/18/01 04:38PM >>>

I'm planning a short move of about 20 miles, and need to move the old girl.
She is still in project stage, but is a roller. A friend has loaned me the
use of a towing bracket that clamps to the front bumper. My question is -
can I tow it "as is", or do I need to tie down the steering wheel in some
way. The bulkhead and steering gear are still in place and functioning. I
recall this being covered before, but can't remember the general consensus,
so I apologize for my forgetfulness. I tried, but I can't seem to locate any
info on this in my manual, or the green bible. I'm trying to save money
here, or I'd just rent a trailer. Thanks in advance for any info!

John K. Rayl
1967 IIa 88"
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:04:32 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Hella 3000 Mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I called and they have what I need...for $50 including shipping!!

>>> [email-masked] 10/16/01 05:12PM >>>

I'd try Susquehanna. http://catalog.com/susq/ 

Keith

At 13:40 10/16/01, you wrote:

>Sorry for the cross-post...  I am missing a couple mounting bits that came 
>with some 2nd hand Hella 3000's.  I have the lights and the plastic bases 
>(thanks Alex!) but lack a small two-piece plastic bit that goes around the 
>adjustable "ball joint" at the bottom of each light.  Anyone know of a 
>source for these miscellaneous bits??
>
>Thanks
>
>Ron Ward
>Columbus, GA
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:34:15 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Jay Peak
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]> wrote:

>I don't know what it it is but there is just something about having to
>scrape the inside of your car that makes you feel cold.....One time I was
>sleeping in a ski area (Jay Pealk - VT, USA) parking lot and a police
>officer or security person came up and tried to see in with a big flashlight
>at about 5AM. Of course he couldn't  see anything through the thick layer of
>frost on the inside of the windows...

Ah, yes, Jay Peak...home to the most cold-hardened (crazed?) skiers in the
East.  Know it well.  It was the Rover's first 'road trip' in '72...and
also the place where I broke the gearshift lever off in -35F several years
later.  Jay traditionally has the greatest smowfall east of the Rockies
(last season it was well over 500 inches), an amount that usually exceeds
all but a few western ski areas.

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:34:16 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Spark plugs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeremy <[email-masked]> wrote:

>People picky at all about spark plugs?  I generally just buy some of the
>nice bosch "platnum" or whatever.  They're like $2 each, and work well.
>Tried some of their "4xPlatnum" -- had 4 hooks over the spark gap. 

I can tell you what *didn't* work on the 2.25.  The Bosch 'Platinums'.  My
Rover starts on the first spin, even in cold weather, 'cept when I fitted
new Bosch plugs.  It would crank and crank, then catch.  Did this for a
month one winter, then went back to the old Champions and it was
immediately back to first spin start...with the old plugs.  I run just one
plug now.  Champion RN12YC...it is the listed plug for the Disco, the
Series...even the Atomic 4 engine in my sailboat....

Cheers

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:14:45 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Hella 3000 Mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ouch. I think I only paid $50 US each for my new 3000's!

Keith

At 08:04 10/19/01, you wrote:

>I called and they have what I need...for $50 including shipping!!
>
> >>> [email-masked] 10/16/01 05:12PM >>>
>
>I'd try Susquehanna. http://catalog.com/susq/
>
>Keith
>
>At 13:40 10/16/01, you wrote:
>
> >Sorry for the cross-post...  I am missing a couple mounting bits that came
> >with some 2nd hand Hella 3000's.  I have the lights and the plastic bases
> >(thanks Alex!) but lack a small two-piece plastic bit that goes around the
> >adjustable "ball joint" at the bottom of each light.  Anyone know of a
> >source for these miscellaneous bits??
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Ron Ward
> >Columbus, GA
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Message: 11
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Spring over swap for a Series
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 07:40:18 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>TAW wrote:  >Parabolics...I don't think so.
>they radically decrease latteral stability and increases the dynamic center 
>of gravity.  You are far more apt to lay the vehicle over on it's side or 
>loose control trying to keep up with coilers on heavy washboard roads.
>
>I've had just the opposite experience.  I've been trying to make my trucks 
>lean with parabolics and it's just not happening. 

Every parabolic installation I have personally seen has more side sway.  
Just standing along side and pushing on the side produces a lot more sway 
than a leaf sprung Land Rover.

WHose springs are you using and which ones?

>OEM shocks with 1" extended drop don't restrict articulation, at least at 
>the front, under static conditions.

They wouldn't if your leaves are rusted together.  But you are running 
parabolics so I have no comparison.  I know statically with longer than 
stock shocks, using stock mounts, at about 10 degrees side slope my front 
shocks are fully extended and keeping the body from leaning.  I also know 
that on my vehicle ifI remove the shocks and suspend an end the shocks 
are not long enough by almost 2 inches to fit back onto their mounts. 

> Has anyone built a shock tower 
>and put a truly long shock on the front of a stock length, leaf sprung 
>Series??? 

I have seen about 5ish series rigs with extended shock towers up front.  
I have a picture of one in my web site.  Strangely enough thay are all 
North Western rigs and I suspect like me have come under Timm Cooper's 
spells

>TAW,  Mahalo for the explanation of the benefit of raising the pivot point 
>of the springs.  Still can't figure out the why, however.  Will have to 
>cogitate on it for a while. 

You and me both.  I'm having a hard time getting to grips with this 
concept.  I first heard it in a late night conversation with John 
Osterout early last month.  John is another of these genious Land Rover 
folks but spends his time doing secret government engineering work, 
farming with his wife and tinkering on is diesel 109.

>To get long travel, you need relatively soft springs and, of course, the 
>ability of the axle to move over long distances.  This translates into lots 
>of body roll in turns.

Not necessarly.  It depends a lot upon the torsion resistance of your 
springs and the relationship of the centre of gravity to the centre of 
roll.

> The older RRs, without anti sway/roll bars are an example.

Coil springs have no side to side sway resistance like leaf springs do. 
Paraboligs have less than leaf springs because there are less leaves and 
they are mostly not touching.

> Find it hard to believe that this wouldn't have the same 
>effect, only carried to the extreme, by the long travel suspension on one of 
>Tim's trucks.  Can see those who claim parabolics allow too much body sway, 
>being totally bonkers in one of Tim's trucks.

I've been in one several times at speed and on windy hilly roads.  His 
designs are stable with no more body sway than a stock leafer.

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Message: 12
Subject: Re: [lro] Stuff MUST go!!!!!
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 07:43:12 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Have way too much rover crap.  need to get rid of it to finance the more 
>important parts of the "project".  

So Adam, where are you?

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:39:11 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Hella 3000 Mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How did you get the 3000's for $50 each?  New?

>>> [email-masked] 10/19/01 10:14AM >>>

Ouch. I think I only paid $50 US each for my new 3000's!

Keith

At 08:04 10/19/01, you wrote:

>I called and they have what I need...for $50 including shipping!!
>
> >>> [email-masked] 10/16/01 05:12PM >>>
>
>I'd try Susquehanna. http://catalog.com/susq/ 
>
>Keith
>
>At 13:40 10/16/01, you wrote:
>
> >Sorry for the cross-post...  I am missing a couple mounting bits that came
> >with some 2nd hand Hella 3000's.  I have the lights and the plastic bases
> >(thanks Alex!) but lack a small two-piece plastic bit that goes around the
> >adjustable "ball joint" at the bottom of each light.  Anyone know of a
> >source for these miscellaneous bits??
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Ron Ward
> >Columbus, GA
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Message: 14
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: A rover 'Jones'
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 07:48:31 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Ahh, yer behind the time Keith, left HI 30 days ago.  Now living in the land
>of rain, and rain.  Bremerton Washington.  :-)

And if you start hanging out with the Pacific North West Land Rover club 
you will start seeing series Land ROvers with modified suspensions.

Get to know a guy named Franklen who drives a ratty looking but very 
interesting looking 109.

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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:57:28 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Hella 3000 Mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

New, yup. At a local shop in Ottawa. Auto Import or something like that. I 
looked around for quite a while....

Keith

At 08:39 10/19/01, you wrote:

>How did you get the 3000's for $50 each?  New?
>
> >>> [email-masked] 10/19/01 10:14AM >>>
>
>Ouch. I think I only paid $50 US each for my new 3000's!
>
>Keith
>
>At 08:04 10/19/01, you wrote:
>
> >I called and they have what I need...for $50 including shipping!!
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 10/16/01 05:12PM >>>
> >
> >I'd try Susquehanna. http://catalog.com/susq/
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >At 13:40 10/16/01, you wrote:
> >
> > >Sorry for the cross-post...  I am missing a couple mounting bits that came
> > >with some 2nd hand Hella 3000's.  I have the lights and the plastic bases
> > >(thanks Alex!) but lack a small two-piece plastic bit that goes around the
> > >adjustable "ball joint" at the bottom of each light.  Anyone know of a
> > >source for these miscellaneous bits??
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Ron Ward
> > >Columbus, GA
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:19:49 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] OT? Old Rover Binker for sale...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Damn!  I didn't get my order in fast enough.  

The actual retail sales site, for those who are interested, is 
http://www.missilebases.com.  The sad thing is that this company is
stripping out all the gear and refurbishing the silos...hell, I'd 
rather have all the old milspec infrastructure still in place!

dj

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> They've hit the news this week - for some reason, the prices are rising :)
> 
> http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,47577,00.html
> 
> Keith

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:24:59 -0400
From: asfco <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Hella 3000 Mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Keith Tanner wrote:

> New, yup. At a local shop in Ottawa. Auto Import or something like that. I
> looked around for quite a while....
>
> Keith
>
> At 08:39 10/19/01, you wrote:
>
> >How did you get the 3000's for $50 each?  New?
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 10/19/01 10:14AM >>>
> >
> >Ouch. I think I only paid $50 US each for my new 3000's!
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >At 08:04 10/19/01, you wrote:
> >
> > >I called and they have what I need...for $50 including shipping!!
> > >
> > > >>> [email-masked] 10/16/01 05:12PM >>>
> > >
> > >I'd try Susquehanna. http://catalog.com/susq/
> > >
> > >Keith
> > >
> > >At 13:40 10/16/01, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Sorry for the cross-post...  I am missing a couple mounting bits that came
> > > >with some 2nd hand Hella 3000's.  I have the lights and the plastic bases
> > > >(thanks Alex!) but lack a small two-piece plastic bit that goes around the
> > > >adjustable "ball joint" at the bottom of each light.  Anyone know of a
> > > >source for these miscellaneous bits??
> > > >
> > > >Thanks
> > > >
> > > >Ron Ward
> > > >Columbus, GA
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at that price you should have bought every one he had!
Rgds
Steve Bradke '68 lla 88

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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:24:32 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Hella 3000 Mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Those things are like $350 a set at RN.  Fortunately, I got mine free with the $11000 1997 Discovery I bought back in the spring.  The lights came with the truck, but the mounting hardware didn't...

>>> [email-masked] 10/19/01 10:57AM >>>

New, yup. At a local shop in Ottawa. Auto Import or something like that. I 
looked around for quite a while....

Keith

At 08:39 10/19/01, you wrote:

>How did you get the 3000's for $50 each?  New?
>
> >>> [email-masked] 10/19/01 10:14AM >>>
>
>Ouch. I think I only paid $50 US each for my new 3000's!
>
>Keith
>
>At 08:04 10/19/01, you wrote:
>
> >I called and they have what I need...for $50 including shipping!!
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 10/16/01 05:12PM >>>
> >
> >I'd try Susquehanna. http://catalog.com/susq/ 
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >At 13:40 10/16/01, you wrote:
> >
> > >Sorry for the cross-post...  I am missing a couple mounting bits that came
> > >with some 2nd hand Hella 3000's.  I have the lights and the plastic bases
> > >(thanks Alex!) but lack a small two-piece plastic bit that goes around the
> > >adjustable "ball joint" at the bottom of each light.  Anyone know of a
> > >source for these miscellaneous bits??
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Ron Ward
> > >Columbus, GA
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:28:07 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Hella 3000 Mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>at that price you should have bought every one he had!

I could only fit two on the Miata and I didn't own the Rover at that point 
:) You wouldn't believe the price I was able to get on Momo steering wheels 
(for the Miata, of course) at another local shop. I just grab the yellow 
pages and start dialing. Online isn't always cheaper...

Keith

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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:00:10 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Land Rover Identity
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anyone know how to run a British (or any) VIN through a system to find out
when the Land Rover it is on, was made. Not registered, but actually built.
Thanks.

Also, Adam, please e-mail me, I have another parts question.  Thanks.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:02:02 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Identity
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The OVLR has a rough guide online: 
http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.Chassis_Numbers.alpha.html

See http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.main.html for details on getting the actual 
date.

Keith

At 10:00 10/19/01, you wrote:

>Does anyone know how to run a British (or any) VIN through a system to 
>find out
>when the Land Rover it is on, was made. Not registered, but actually built.
>Thanks.
>
>Also, Adam, please e-mail me, I have another parts question.  Thanks.
>Kind regards,
>Mark Pilkington
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked]
>http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 22
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Land Rover Identity
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:08:59 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

While on the subject of numbers. Anyone know how to get a build date from
the engine number on a Rangie?

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Message: 23
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:13:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolic reply
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TAW sed:
> "Parabolics...I don't think so.  Parabolics are great
> for highway cruising or moderate speeds on maintained
> forest service roads.  But they radically decrease
> latteral stability and increases the dynamic center 
> of gravity.  You are far more apt to lay the vehicle
> over on it's side or loose control trying to keep up
> with coilers on heavy washboard roads".  

I reckon I'm w/ TAW on this one.  I followed Matt Turowski's 109SW
"Marlin Perkins Mobile" last year at the CO rover rally and at one
particularly rocky and off-camber spot, that thing was BOUNCING.  I think
I'll hang on to stock springs on my 109 (which get surprisingly good
articulation, really), probably put some high density plastic on my
replacements whenever I get around to it, and probably chuck a locker in
the back at some point.  Makes articulation a LOT less important.
Speaking of lockers, I just "stole" the York AC compressor off of my old
MB sedan and will probably install it on Mrs. Merdle and MAYBE use it to
run an ARB locker--the fully-off or fully-on aspect of those appeals to
me so much.

bill, in danger of wandering off topic.

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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:05:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Identity
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Mark Pilkington wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know how to run a British (or any) VIN through a system to find out
> when the Land Rover it is on, was made. Not registered, but actually built.
> Thanks.

VIN or chassis number?  The OVLR faq has a guide for chassis numbers, but 
it's impossible to know for sure, as Rover didn't build things in order.  
However, Rover will tell you if you ask them.  The contact information for 
that is also on the OVLR site (www.ovlr.org)

> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 25
From: "Martin Rothman" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Flat Towing?
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:09:20 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Transfer case in neutral, gear lever in 4.  For longer pulls, drop front 
>and rear drive shafts.
>
>Ron Ward

I am a bit confused.  With the Transfer case in neutral, both driveshafts 
are locked.  LR says that you shouldn't drive on pavement in 4x4.  How is 
towing on pavement any different?

Personally, the best idea I've seen was on Tom Bache's S1-86" with locking 
hubs all around.  Hook up the tow bar, desengage the hubs and away you go.

Martin Rothman

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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 10:13:38 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: " mendo rec list" <[email-masked]>, "LRO list"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Can someone please get back to me with the stock tyre size for a US spec 
88 and the diameter of the tyre.

PLEASE

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:35:17 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
Reply-To: [email-masked]

H78-15
was the size found on the last of the 88s around here.
John and Muddy

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> 
> Can someone please get back to me with the stock tyre size for a US spec
> 88 and the diameter of the tyre.
> 
> PLEASE
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
> 
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
> 
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
> _______________________________________________
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> [email-masked]
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:24:42 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] LROI magazine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry for the cross-post, but I haven't received an issue in the mail since August, 2001 even though I renewed my subscription over the phone on March 12, 2001.  So I go to the web site today to check into it and I get redirected to www.hustler.com.  

Anyone know what the deal is with these guys?

Thanks,

Ron Ward
Columbus, GA

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Message: 29
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:30:47 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Early 88's had 16" wheels while the later ones had 15" wheels.   Which are
you looking for?

Mike

> 
> H78-15
> was the size found on the last of the 88s around here.
> John and Muddy
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> > 
> > Can someone please get back to me with the stock tyre size 
> for a US spec
> > 88 and the diameter of the tyre.
> > 
> > PLEASE

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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:50:52 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, the September 2001 issue did make it to newstand. Come to think of 
it, I saw October 2001 just the other day...

Have you suddenly gained a subscription to Huster? :)

Keith

At 12:24 10/19/01, you wrote:

>Sorry for the cross-post, but I haven't received an issue in the mail 
>since August, 2001 even though I renewed my subscription over the phone on 
>March 12, 2001.  So I go to the web site today to check into it and I get 
>redirected to www.hustler.com.
>
>Anyone know what the deal is with these guys?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ron Ward
>Columbus, GA
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked]
>http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 31
From: "Brad Crittenden" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:58:49 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

ron:

a few months ago i went to the LROI site and found a single page from their
ISP which i believe made reference to a billing dispute.  i suspect the
forward to hustler is the next step in the escalation as the ISP holds their
domain name hostage.

the whois information is as follows.  the technical contact appears to be
their ISP.  the email under administrative contact looks like it might be a
place to start.
----
   Domain Name: LROI.COM

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
      Girling, kevin  (KG2804)  [email-masked]
      Sterlon Underwriting Managers Ltd.
      27-1300 King St. E., Suite 140
      Oshawa, ON L1H 8J4
      CA
      905-436-3147
   Technical Contact:
      GREENWOOD, PAUL  (PG2534)  [email-masked]
      Dilusion Ltd
      36 Main Street
      Woodhouse Eaves
      Loughborough
      Leics
      LE12 8RZ
      UK
      08707 408049 (FAX) 01509 890179

   Record last updated on 10-Apr-2001.
   Record expires on 11-May-2003.
   Record created on 10-May-1997.
----

--brad

----- Original Message -----
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:24 PM
Subject: [lro] LROI magazine

>
> Sorry for the cross-post, but I haven't received an issue in the mail
since August, 2001 even though I renewed my subscription over the phone on
March 12, 2001.  So I go to the web site today to check into it and I get
redirected to www.hustler.com.
>
> Anyone know what the deal is with these guys?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Ward
> Columbus, GA
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 32
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:09:45 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

They have a new website address. I don't know what it is though.
John and Muddy

RON WARD wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the cross-post, but I haven't received an issue in the mail since August, 2001 even though I renewed my subscription over the phone on March 12, 2001.  So I go to the web site today to check into it and I get redirected to www.hustler.com.
> 
> Anyone know what the deal is with these guys?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ron Ward
> Columbus, GA
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 33
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:12:33 +0200
From: Hermen <[email-masked]>
To: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Identity
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mark> Does anyone know how to run a British (or any) VIN through a system to find out
Mark> when the Land Rover it is on, was made. Not registered, but actually built.
Mark> Thanks.

Mark> Also, Adam, please e-mail me, I have another parts question.  Thanks.
Mark> Kind regards,
Mark> Mark Pilkington
Mark> _______________________________________________
Mark> LRO mailing list
Mark> [email-masked]
Mark> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

At this site:

http://www.clifton.nl/

choose the button "LR vehicle identification" and fill out your VIN.

Hermen

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Message: 34
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:12:34 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Maybe my wife's been intercepting the Hustler issues and throwing them away...

>>> [email-masked] 10/19/01 02:50PM >>>

Well, the September 2001 issue did make it to newstand. Come to think of 
it, I saw October 2001 just the other day...

Have you suddenly gained a subscription to Huster? :)

Keith

At 12:24 10/19/01, you wrote:

>Sorry for the cross-post, but I haven't received an issue in the mail 
>since August, 2001 even though I renewed my subscription over the phone on 
>March 12, 2001.  So I go to the web site today to check into it and I get 
>redirected to www.hustler.com.
>
>Anyone know what the deal is with these guys?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ron Ward
>Columbus, GA
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked] 
>http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro 

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Message: 35
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:14:21 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Um, thanks.  I just want my back issues and to finish out the year.

>>> [email-masked] 10/19/01 02:58PM >>>

ron:

a few months ago i went to the LROI site and found a single page from their
ISP which i believe made reference to a billing dispute.  i suspect the
forward to hustler is the next step in the escalation as the ISP holds their
domain name hostage.

the whois information is as follows.  the technical contact appears to be
their ISP.  the email under administrative contact looks like it might be a
place to start.
----
   Domain Name: LROI.COM

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
      Girling, kevin  (KG2804)  [email-masked] 
      Sterlon Underwriting Managers Ltd.
      27-1300 King St. E., Suite 140
      Oshawa, ON L1H 8J4
      CA
      905-436-3147
   Technical Contact:
      GREENWOOD, PAUL  (PG2534)  [email-masked] 
      Dilusion Ltd
      36 Main Street
      Woodhouse Eaves
      Loughborough
      Leics
      LE12 8RZ
      UK
      08707 408049 (FAX) 01509 890179

   Record last updated on 10-Apr-2001.
   Record expires on 11-May-2003.
   Record created on 10-May-1997.
----

--brad

----- Original Message -----
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:24 PM
Subject: [lro] LROI magazine

>
> Sorry for the cross-post, but I haven't received an issue in the mail
since August, 2001 even though I renewed my subscription over the phone on
March 12, 2001.  So I go to the web site today to check into it and I get
redirected to www.hustler.com.
>
> Anyone know what the deal is with these guys?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Ward
> Columbus, GA
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked] 
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro 
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Message: 36
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:34:50 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The info will not be upto date as Kevin Girling is no longer connected
with LROI but is the LRE website administrator.
John and Muddy

Brad Crittenden wrote:
> 
> ron:
> 
> a few months ago i went to the LROI site and found a single page from their
> ISP which i believe made reference to a billing dispute.  i suspect the
> forward to hustler is the next step in the escalation as the ISP holds their
> domain name hostage.
> 
> the whois information is as follows.  the technical contact appears to be
> their ISP.  the email under administrative contact looks like it might be a
> place to start.
> ----
>    Domain Name: LROI.COM
> 
>    Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
>       Girling, kevin  (KG2804)  [email-masked]
>       Sterlon Underwriting Managers Ltd.
>       27-1300 King St. E., Suite 140
>       Oshawa, ON L1H 8J4
>       CA
>       905-436-3147
>    Technical Contact:
>       GREENWOOD, PAUL  (PG2534)  [email-masked]
>       Dilusion Ltd
>       36 Main Street
>       Woodhouse Eaves
>       Loughborough
>       Leics
>       LE12 8RZ
>       UK
>       08707 408049 (FAX) 01509 890179
> 
>    Record last updated on 10-Apr-2001.
>    Record expires on 11-May-2003.
>    Record created on 10-May-1997.
> ----
> 
> --brad
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:24 PM
> Subject: [lro] LROI magazine
> 
> >
> > Sorry for the cross-post, but I haven't received an issue in the mail
> since August, 2001 even though I renewed my subscription over the phone on
> March 12, 2001.  So I go to the web site today to check into it and I get
> redirected to www.hustler.com.
> >
> > Anyone know what the deal is with these guys?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ron Ward
> > Columbus, GA
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 37
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] New List Member,
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:18:43 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

ajr writes: >>>> Is there anyone you DON'T know? 8)<<<

yes but I haven't met them yet :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 38
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco question
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:20:31 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeremy writes of Magnecor: >>>Got a source for 'em?<<<

yep, here in the UK, but as they are a US company you'd be better off
finding one a bit more local...
over to the rest of the list...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 39
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolic reply
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:41:30 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sombody wrote:
>Someone wrote:
"Parabolics...I don't think so.  Parabolics are great
for highway cruising or moderate speeds on maintained
forest service roads.  But they radically decrease
latteral stability and increases the dynamic center
of gravity.  You are far more apt to lay the vehicle
over on it's side or loose control trying to keep up
>with coilers on heavy washboard roads".
-----------------------------------------------------------

I must have missed the original post so I don't know who wrote the above but 
what the hell are you talking about? If you by "radically decrease latteral 
(sic) stability...etc." you mean that they actually allow wheel movement 
then I suppose you are correct. To suggest that this would create handling 
problems on washboard roads is absurd. The better the suspension, the more 
the tire is touching the ground and the more traction you have. Now perhaps 
the above quote was taken out of context and if so then I appologise but 
what I've read is just wrong.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit <-- With parabolics!!
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 40
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Disco question
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:43:46 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

magnecor.com will lead in the right direction

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From: Frank Elson [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 3:21 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco question

Jeremy writes of Magnecor: >>>Got a source for 'em?<<<

yep, here in the UK, but as they are a US company you'd be better off
finding one a bit more local...
over to the rest of the list...
Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 41
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Spring over swap for a Series
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:51:42 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Every parabolic installation I have personally seen has more side >sway.
>Just standing along side and pushing on the side produces a lot more
>sway than a leaf sprung Land Rover.

Ha!! Every freakin' vehicle I've ever seen aside from modern Ferraris amd 
Porsches and such have more side to side sway than a stock leaf sprung Land 
Rover. It's why people pay extra $$$ for parabolics.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
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Message: 42
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolic reply
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:56:38 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill said:
"Marlin Perkins Mobile" last year at the CO rover rally and at one
particularly rocky and off-camber spot, that thing was BOUNCING.  I
think
-----------------------------

But wouldn't that be a function of how well his shocks were working?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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I wish I were a moron.
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Message: 43
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:01:03 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Didn't the LRE people run the website and then when they left to start LRE 
they closed the website with some message about a dispute? Lokks like things 
have gone farther. That's very mature of them.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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Message: 44
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:47:08 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Land Rover Identity
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks, but it only gives 1972 to 1979.  I know it is a 73, but I am trying to prove it.
Is there a way to get an exact year from a VIN?  Thanks.
Mark

Hermen wrote:

> Mark> Does anyone know how to run a British (or any) VIN through a system to find out
> Mark> when the Land Rover it is on, was made. Not registered, but actually built.
> Mark> Thanks.
>
> Mark> Also, Adam, please e-mail me, I have another parts question.  Thanks.
> Mark> Kind regards,
> Mark> Mark Pilkington
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> At this site:
>
> http://www.clifton.nl/
>
> choose the button "LR vehicle identification" and fill out your VIN.
>
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Message: 45
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:52:35 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Didn't the LRE people run the website and then when they left to start LRE
>they closed the website with some message about a dispute?

The people who started LRE seemed to push the ethics in creating a new 
magazine out of LROI's proprietary information.  Almost seemed as if they 
set up the LROI web site so they could either expropriate it or force it to 
be shut down when they defected.  Always wondered about the propriety 
involved in creating LRE.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:01:03 +0000
>
>
Lokks
>like things
>have gone farther. That's very mature of them.
>
>Niall Forbes
>66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
>Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
>The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
>
>"See the happy moron,
>He doesn't give a damn.
>I wish I were a moron.
>My God! Perhaps I am!"
>--author unknown
>
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Message: 46
Subject: RE: [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 13:54:50 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Early 88's had 16" wheels while the later ones had 15" wheels.   Which are
>you looking for?

US spec 88s with 15 inch wheels.  I've gathered from replies that most 
were supplied with 700X15 tyres.  Anyone know the diameter?  28"?  30"?

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
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Message: 47
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE:  taw  [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:00:22 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I checked out the brochure on the previouly mentioned web site, size was 
7.10x15 according to the official brochure.  Still can't help you on 
diameter but it was tiny, like 28"-29" or so.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: RE: [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 13:54:50 -0700
>
>
> >Early 88's had 16" wheels while the later ones had 15" wheels.   Which 
>are
> >you looking for?
>
>US spec 88s with 15 inch wheels.  I've gathered from replies that most
>were supplied with 700X15 tyres.  Anyone know the diameter?  28"?  30"?
>
>TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
>Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
>[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
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Message: 48
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolic reply
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 14:22:24 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I must have missed the original post so I don't know who wrote the above but 
>what the hell are you talking about?

It was I, she said.

> If you by "radically decrease latteral 
>(sic) stability...etc." you mean that they actually allow wheel movement 

I mean the springs twist more latterally.  Parabolics have few springs 
mostly spaced appart.  They twist more to the side direction when side 
forces are applied than do stock springs which consist of a lot of 
springs in contact making what could be considered  a rectangular cross 
sectional block.  That by the very nature of parabolic spring design the 
vehicle has to have more side to side sway than a Land Rover with stock 
leaf spring suspension.  The side to side sway increases the dynamic 
centre of gravity movement along its plain.

The parabolic spring's low resistance to side forces can result in 
harmonics being reached under certain driving conditions. These harmonics 
can increase side sway when reached and destabilize a vehicle. 

I am not refering to vertical movment.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
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Message: 49
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Spring over swap for a Series
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 01 14:48:19 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>Every parabolic installation I have personally seen has more side >sway.
>>Just standing along side and pushing on the side produces a lot more
>>sway than a leaf sprung Land Rover.
>
>Ha!! Every freakin' vehicle I've ever seen aside from modern Ferraris amd 
>Porsches and such have more side to side sway than a stock leaf sprung Land 
>Rover. It's why people pay extra $$$ for parabolics.

My 1961 Triumph TR3A has less than my Land Rover with one ton springs.  
Ever try to push the side of a leaf sprung American pickup?

Coil springs have no lateral sway resistance and are an entirely 
different beastie.

I believe a lot of people bought parabolics because they have a much 
softer rate, closer to passenger cars than trucks and can react to bumps 
faster and absorb more energy.  That and that it is the 'IN' mod to make.

I doubt if a whole lot of people who purchased them gave a whole lot of 
thought to their low resistance to side twist forces.

You will not convince me that 2 to 4 tapered leafs running sorta parallel 
with space between them has the same or more resistance to twisting than 
twice as many untapered leaves in solid contact with one another.

The very design features that allow parabolics to provide a soft ride and 
dampen bumps make them more susceptible to side twist forces.  

Everything is a trade off and it depends what is important to you as to 
whether it is a good trade or a bad trade.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

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Message: 50
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:23:13 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn,
    I believe the theoretical diameter of the old style sizes are figured
using a standard aspect ratio of 85% as such:

7.00 x 15 :

2 (7.00" x .85) + 15" = 26.9" Dia.

    I apologize if this isn't what you were looking for, I don't know the
actual diameter of tyres that were OEM on LR's.  I could also have the
aspect ratio wrong, it's from memory (which isn't fool-proof).

Kirk

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Message: 51
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:17:10 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LROI magazine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Kevin Girling actually owned the LROI web site and administered it from
Canada (although it was known as LRO, without the  "I").
The Magazine was sold to one of the large UK magazine publishers who
were less than co-operative with Kevin's efforts to run the site.
So He did not expropriate it at all, he simply moved it to a new
location and renamed it.
This left the lroi.com site "empty" and unused.
This all happened many months ago and I believe the LROI magazine has a
new site at another address 

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> >Didn't the LRE people run the website and then when they left to start LRE
> >they closed the website with some message about a dispute?
> 
> The people who started LRE seemed to push the ethics in creating a new
> magazine out of LROI's proprietary information.  Almost seemed as if they
> set up the LROI web site so they could either expropriate it or force it to
> be shut down when they defected.  Always wondered about the propriety
> involved in creating LRE.
> 
> Aloha
> Peter Ogilvie

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Message: 52
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:23:48 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Stock 88 tyre size & dia??
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just to add a little more confusion the diameter of tires with these
sizes varied with the manfacturer. 
Ever stood tires from old Land Rovers side by side? I have seen as much
as 2 inch height difference between to brands of 750x16 tires.
John and Muddy 

Kirk Hillman wrote:
> 
> TeriAnn,
>     I believe the theoretical diameter of the old style sizes are figured
> using a standard aspect ratio of 85% as such:
> 
> 7.00 x 15 :
> 
> 2 (7.00" x .85) + 15" = 26.9" Dia.
> 
>     I apologize if this isn't what you were looking for, I don't know the
> actual diameter of tyres that were OEM on LR's.  I could also have the
> aspect ratio wrong, it's from memory (which isn't fool-proof).
> 
> Kirk
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Message: 53
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Spring over swap for a Series
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:59:53 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The stock springs are only anchored side to side by that silly bolt in the 
middle and one leaf, THAT'S ONLY ONE LEAF, resisting side loads.  All the 
other leaves are anchored at the center but, except for the two relatively 
ineffective straps have no restraint for side loads.  I haven't put a 
micrometer on it but think that that single leaf carrying all the load to 
the frame, is significantly thinnner than the two or more leafs on a 
parabolic that carry the load to the frame.

Parabolics are not only bent to a different curve (parabola vs ellipse)but 
the leaves are welded to each other at the ends and middle.  All the leaves 
in a parabolic spring resist side loads, not just the one, on stock springs.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
>
>I doubt if a whole lot of people who purchased them gave a whole lot of
>thought to their low resistance to side twist forces.
>
>You will not convince me that 2 to 4 tapered leafs running sorta parallel
>with space between them has the same or more resistance to twisting than
>twice as many untapered leaves in solid contact with one another.
>
>The very design features that allow parabolics to provide a soft ride and
>dampen bumps make them more susceptible to side twist forces.
>
>Everything is a trade off and it depends what is important to you as to
>whether it is a good trade or a bad trade.
>
>TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
>Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
>[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
>http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
>
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Message: 54
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:51:56 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Wheel stud threads
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Anyone know for sure the size of the wheel stud thread?
> Steve Bradke '68 lla 88

Um, should be 16mm Metric Fine (16X1.5) on a 2a.

Not so.  The series 1, 2 and 2A wheel stud is 9/16" British Standard Fine
(BSF) Thread as standard. Series 3 introduced the 16 m thread, the same
as the Range Rover

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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