Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #119 - 55 msgs

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Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 03:13:09 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Driving the LR (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   2. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   3. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (Rob MacCormick)
   4. Re: Driving the LR (Bryan Hoult)
   5. Re: Driving the LR (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   6. Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Brad Crittenden)
   7. Re: MAR story turned 88" Series Hard Top (RON WARD)
   8. Turn Signal Lens Repair (Paul Quin)
   9. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  10. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  11. Re: Turn Signal Lens Repair (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  12. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (David Scheidt)
  13. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  14. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Dick Joltes)
  15. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  16. Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover (Mark Pilkington)
  17. RE: Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover (Carl Kinkade)
  18. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Bill Adams)
  19. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (William J. Rice)
  20. Re: Terrorism (RON WARD)
  21. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Lonn & Rhonda)
  22. terror hoaxes (No LR content) (Simon J. Harding)
  23. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Kirk Hillman)
  24. Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off (Garrick Olsen)
  25. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  26. Re: terror hoaxes (No LR content) (David Scheidt)
  27. Re: Diesel Brakes (was converting from a single-circuit,
       non-servo) (G. Mugele)
  28. Re: terror hoaxes (No LR content) (Hermen)
  29. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (David Scheidt)
  30. Re: Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  31. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  32. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  33. Re: Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off ([email-masked])
  34. Harley Servicar (The Stockdales)
  35. Re: Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  36. Re: Brakes: converting from a single-circuit, non-servo (Peter Ogilvie)
  37. Re: Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover (Mark Pilkington)
  38. Re: terror hoaxes (No LR content) (Dick Joltes)
  39. Re: Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off (Rob MacCormick)
  40. terrorism hoaxes (Simon J. Harding)
  41. Re: Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off ([email-masked])
  42. Re: Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off ([email-masked])
  43. Re: Cam bearings and oil pump (Peter Ogilvie)
  44. Re: Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off (David Scheidt)
  45. turn signal lens repair (Simon J. Harding)
  46. solenoid failure question (Simon J. Harding)
  47. Re: solenoid failure question (Bryan Hoult)
  48. Re: solenoid failure question (Dick Joltes)
  49. (no subject) (William L Leacock)
  50. Re: turn signal lens repair (d.h.lowe)
  51. Re: solenoid failure question (Nick Danger)
  52. Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism..... (Tim Czajka)
  53. RE: Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism..... (Vel Natarajan)
  54. Engine No (Lance da Silva)

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Message: 1
Subject: Re: [lro] Driving the LR
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:34:50 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It could still be the oil pump - get it apart and do the tests in the
manual (measure the clearances) and check to see that the check-ball seat
isn't worn/pitted/hosed.

If you;re putting out insufficient volume it could well be a problem.

As far as the cam bearings - you ain't servicing them.....not in the truck.

                              ajr

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Message: 2
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:37:47 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Re: Wiring harness design:

Please take photos as you put it together - I for one would love to see it.
I'm always up for new ideas.

                                    Alan

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:07:31 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
Reply-To: [email-masked]

THAT is a great idea......I use syringes for ah...wood glue yeah wood glue
that it wood glue.......and never thunk about the grease.....Thanks for the
tip

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Message: 4
Date: 12 Oct 2001 06:28:08 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Driving the LR
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 12 October 2001, "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote:

> As far as the cam bearings - you >ain't servicing them.....not in the >truck.

Is it at all common for the cam bearings to wear on a 2.25 petrol engine?  I suppose if the oil pump were allowed to run with insufficient pressure everything would suffer, but it seems like the cam bearings hold up extremely well relative to other designs.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 5
Subject: Re: [lro] Driving the LR
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:47:34 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Re: Cam bearing wear:

They can wear - on the engines I've rebuilt however I've only replaced them
once - and that was because of a defective camshaft destroying the bearings
in disassembly.

Supposedly the cam bearins will suck down the oil pressure if they get bad
- I've never personally seen it though.

In this instace are the bottom-end bearing new and did they get Plastigaged
on assembly?

                              ajr

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Message: 6
From: "Brad Crittenden" <[email-masked]>
To: "lro" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:00:47 -0400
Subject: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Reply-To: [email-masked]

All:

I have a '75 Series III 88" RHD diesel with a single-circuit, non-server
(booster) brake system.  It recently suffered a sudden and complete failure
of the brakes.  The cause has not yet been determined but the entire system
is going to be re-done to restore it to a safe, functioning system.

Since I will be doing a complete overhaul, I was wondering about converting
to a dual-circuit system with a servo.  Is it a simple matter of removing
the old master cylinder, adding the servo and new master cylinder, and
running the new required lines?  Has anyone done this?  Are there other
issues?  Is it worth the trouble and expense?

Thanks for any help you might offer.

--Brad

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:45:58 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] MAR story turned 88" Series Hard Top
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My dang e-mail server at work is hungover or something so excuse the tardiness of this reply...

I am in Columbus, GA about 1.5 hours south of Atlanta.  

Ron W.

>>> [email-masked] 10/10/01 11:59AM >>>

RON WARD wrote:
> 
> I have a regular hardtop sitting behind my garage.  Sliding windows, 
> no alpines and no headliner.  Glass is perfect.  I sold my 88" so it's
> just taking up space now.

Ron,

Thanks for the reply.  Where are you located, and how much would you
want for it?  Right now a bloke in MD has one in decent nick and wants
$75 for it, but if you're closer then I could have a look (or if you
have photos it'd be great).

No alpines isn't a problem...I think they'd look a bit silly on a
Lightweight.

Cheers,

dj
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Message: 8
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:31:12 -0700
Subject: [lro] Turn Signal Lens Repair
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I managed to cleave one of my plastic rear turn signal covers in two
yesterday while washing the Rover.  Has anyone had success gluing these back
together?  I know that the older lenses are becoming harder to find.  The
break is nice and clean.

Epoxy?  Krazy Glue?

TIA

Paul Quin
1961 SII 88
Victoria, BC

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Message: 9
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:33:10 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes, it is worth the trouble.

There are a few more bits involved, though - the pedal box has to change as
well. Best bet is to get a complete pedal box with the servo from a
scrapyard and just add a new master cylinder to it.

Also, you'll need new lines to the 5-way block on the chassis, and the
5-way block needs to go away and be replaced with a 2-way and 3-way to
connect the front and rear to the proper lines respectively. Not sure if
the wing will need trimming (s.III???).

If you can get it, rather than the 2 and 3-way connectors you may want to
gerab the valve block from a dual-line master S.III as it  includes a
warning light switch and a spool valve.

                  ajr

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Message: 10
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 01 07:42:00 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I was wondering about converting to a dual-circuit 
>system with a servo.

I did it with my 109.  My experiences are documented in my web site

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/LR/dual_brake_conv.htm

Best of luck in the conversion

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 11
Subject: Re: [lro] Turn Signal Lens Repair
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:42:38 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

SWAG - clear epoxy with a backup of a bit of fiberglass fabric or something
for reinforcement? Might cast an odd shadow but should hold....

                  ajr

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> 
> Yes, it is worth the trouble.
> 
> There are a few more bits involved, though - the pedal box has to change as
> well. Best bet is to get a complete pedal box with the servo from a
> scrapyard and just add a new master cylinder to it.
> 

And, he's got a diesel.  Where do you get vaccum to run a booster on a LR?  
Most of the diesels I 've looked at have had a pump of some sort.
NO idea if dual circuit unassited brakes would be okay, or no.
:Wq

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:10:07 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Diesel:

2 ways to go (thanks for pointing it out, Dave!).

1. replace the alternator with one that has a vacuum pump attahced to it -
believe diesel Transit vans used this in the UK (where is he, anyway).

2. Strangler flap - LR Diesels had a setup to generate intake manifold
vacuum  - basically a flap and some plumbing. Sucks, but it's been known to
work.

                  ajr

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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:13:44 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
 
> ... setup to generate intake manifold
> vacuum ... Sucks, but it's been known to work.

Argh!  Did you HAVE to, Al???

dj

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Message: 15
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:20:52 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>> ... setup to generate intake manifold
>> vacuum ... Sucks, but it's been known to work.

>Argh!  Did you HAVE to, Al???
>
>dj

No.....

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:32:33 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I want to thank everyone who offerd help and assistance and even legal aid to recover the Dormobile I reported stolen. Someone or something got to the "new owner" and yesterday I got a call from him with excuses about his phone and his laptop being out of order
or run over by his car etc etc. Anyway he was out of touch and was bringing it back. It turned out it was in LA and he had it trucked up to me.  I have it here now at home and it seems to be no worse for the wear. It is great to know that there is a network out
there that can do this kind of thing.  Thanks again.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 17
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:33:51 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

So...... you have a rover for sell?  Will you accept a personal check. :)

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
Of Mark Pilkington
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:33 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover

I want to thank everyone who offerd help and assistance and even legal aid
to recover the Dormobile I reported stolen. Someone or something got to the
"new owner" and yesterday I got a call from him with excuses about his phone
and his laptop being out of order
or run over by his car etc etc. Anyway he was out of touch and was bringing
it back. It turned out it was in LA and he had it trucked up to me.  I have
it here now at home and it seems to be no worse for the wear. It is great to
know that there is a network out
there that can do this kind of thing.  Thanks again.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:51:35 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Brad, it's not really worth fooling with. The single system works fine
as long as the parts are in good nick.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 19
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:35:30 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:33:10 -0400 "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> Also, you'll need new lines to the 5-way block on the chassis, and 
> the
> 5-way block needs to go away and be replaced with a 2-way and 3-way 
> to
> connect the front and rear to the proper lines respectively. 

I believe it's just a 3 way that replaces the old 5 way.  The rear
circuit doesn't need any sort of splitter junction until you get to the
top of the rear axle and you'll have one there already.  You can run one
solid line from the m.c. to the flex line if you want (I thought about
setting up mine this way but then decided to go w/ two lines that meet
just below the bulkhead--that's the way the stock setup is).  Only the
front needs to be split.

Another thing to consider is the mysterious shuttle valve/ proportioning
valve thing.  TeriAnn's the only person in the U.S. I know of who's
gotten to the bottom of this. . .  Most of us just run open-line dual
circuit.

bill

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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:41:07 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Re: Terrorism
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Apology accepted Marin.  You got the wrong poster, pal.

Ron Ward
Columbus, GA

>>> [email-masked] 10/10/01 06:39PM >>>

From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Terrorism in small town America (MAR story)
Reply-To: [email-masked] 

>Yup, let's all just hand over our constitutional rights and let uncle
sugar look in our knicker drawers.

Perhaps I am not attributing the above comment to the correct poster.  If 
so, I apologize. But if the choices are an increased level of security 
with an increased level of 
inconvenience, or an increased risk of harm or death, I think I'll take the 
former.  We're all in a big sweat about constitutional rights and privacy 
and all that because until now, we've never had to deal with the threat of 
terrorism in this country.  We've had a handful of terrorist episodes,  yes,

but it hasn't played out live on national television or involved so many
people, nor 
have US citizens in the past had to contemplate what might happen to them
directly.  
I daresay every one of us today can picture ourselves on a hijacked plane,
or in a building  
or at an event that could be the target of an attack.
  
But the people in Europe and the middle east, and even Asia live under the
threat 
of terrorism every day, and have for decades.  I spend a fair amount of time
in the UK.  
I have never felt I was in a police state, despite the fact that armed
security forces wander 
around the Heathrow terminals and that all the rubbish bins have been
removed from the train 
stations to eliminate one more place to hide a bomb.  I personally am glad
of these heightened 
levels of security.  No one in the UK, or in Germany, or in France, has told
me I can't do this or 
can't drive there.  I may have had to spend a bit more time in the line at
security at the airport, 
but I don't regard that as an inconvenience.  If you balance the time you
spend in a security line 
against the possible risk of ending up dead, I have a hard time saying my
time is more important 
than my life.

As extremist groups realize they can headline their cause by doing extreme
things, be it blow up 
planes or burn down buildings, there will be more and more of this kind of
activity in this country.  
Stopping terrorism by catching the known terrorists is pretty much
impossible, 
as that doesn't eliminate the threat from the 
terrorists you don't know.  The only thing that will eliminate terrorism is
the elimination of the conditions 
that foster it, and while that may happen eventually, it's going to require
an evolutionary mindshift within 
a lot of cultures around the world, including our own.  The roots of
terrorism are ignorance, economic 
inequality, and social inequality.  Until those issues are somehow resolved,
there will be terrorism, 
whether it's by people trying to promote a religion, establish a country, or
protect a grove of trees.

So what to do in the meantime?  Take whatever measures are necessary to
ensure as much as possible 
the safety of yourself and your fellow citizens.  If that means longer
security checks, if that means more 
effective ways of identifying who's who, if that means giving the people who
we've asked to protect us 
more powers to do so, then that's what we have to do IF we value life over
convenience.

The US is only a little over 200 years old.  A 200-year-old building in
Europe is barely qualified for its first 
home improvement loan.  We've enjoyed an easy and rather naive life these
last 200 years.  Now it's time 
to wake up and see that reality isn't necessarily how our
high-school-mentality media has presented it all 
this time.  People don't get all nice if you treat them "fairly."  Bin Laden
& Co. don't want to negotiate with us.  
They aren't pissed because they don't have a house in the suburbs, 2.5 kids,
and three cars.  They aren't mad 
because their favorite TV show was cancelled, or the US didn't give them
enough free food. They don't even 
want our land or our resources.  For reasons we may never comprehend, they
simply want America, and 
everything America stands for in their eyes, gone.  They want us dead, end
of story.  Our sense of fair play 
isn't even a concept in their minds.

The Protestants in Northern Ireland want the Catholics gone, the Catholics
want the Protestants gone, the Israelis 
want the Palestinians gone, the Palestinians want the Israelis gone, and so
it goes.  Our term of isolation from 
real problems and real hatreds is over.  We're part of the world now, in
every sense of the word.  And surprise, 
surprise, we're just as vulnerable, and we will be from now on.  Things will
never be the same.  

That doesn't mean everything will be bad, it just means they won't be the
same.  And part of that is going to 
be increased security, and part of that is going to be learning to live with
it, just like every other country and 
culture has had to in the rest of the world.  We don't "lose our freedom"
because we have the intelligence to 
protect ourselves better.  We aren't less free, we're just safer.

So stop whining and be grateful that there are people out there who are
willing to risk their own safety to ensure 
ours.  If they weren't willing to paw through our suitcases, or patrol our
streets, or man the x-ray scanners, 
or take the extra moment to make sure the face in front of them matches the
face on the card, the terrorists 
would surely win because this country would simply seize up in fear.  The
Europeans learned a long time ago 
how to deal with terrorism- you protect yourself as best you can and live
your life.  It's time we learned 
the same lesson.

One of my coworkers has a great solution for ending terrorism.  Simply dump
all our excess television sets, 
VCRs, stupid TV programs, dumb video games, and all the other mindless crap
that we call "our 
culture" on the terrorist camps, and then they, too can sink into the mire
of western greed and replace 
the worship of Allah with the worship of Acquisition.  They'll be too busy
lusting after the newest SUV to 
think about blowing anything up.

Land Rover content- you will never be mistaken for a terrorist in a Series
Land Rover.  No terrorist would 
risk exposure by driving such a slow, noisy, leaky, troublesome vehicle, nor
would he pick such a vehicle to 
use in a kamikaze attack- the vehicle would never get there before the fuse
ran out.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
(original owner)
1973 Land Rover Series III-88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
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Message: 21
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:35:31 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ah, but you see, TeriAnn also runs a small British car, and so, is
well versed on the shuttle valve.  It doesn't actually proportion
anything until one of the circuits blows and then it shuttles to the
closed position on the blown side, tripping a warning light switch in
doing so, and providing full braking capabilities to the remaining
circuit.

Cool beans, huh?

Lonn

> Another thing to consider is the mysterious shuttle valve/
proportioning
> valve thing.  TeriAnn's the only person in the U.S. I know of who's
> gotten to the bottom of this. . .  Most of us just run open-line
dual
> circuit.
> bill

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Message: 22
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:38:25 -0700
Subject: [lro] terror hoaxes (No LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Has anyone here had a message forwarded to them regarding terror attacks at
malls on halloween?  The message originated with a woman named Laura who had
a friend who dated a middle eastern guy who stood her up on 9/6/01, leaving
a note telling her not to fly on 9/11 and not to go to a mall on Halloween.
I checked a couple urban myth websites and didn't find any reference to
this.  I then called the number for Laura at the bottom of the message.  The
number rang straight to a recorded message saying that an employee had been
told the story, had no first hand information, and that the authorities had
been notified.  If anyone has information to debunk this likely hoax, I'd
like to have it, as my father in law forwarded the message to a lot of
people.  Barring any hoaxbuster information, do we trust that "the
authorities"  have determined it was a hoax, or do we avoid the mall on
Halloween???

Simon Harding

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Message: 23
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:05:52 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Lonn,
    So these things don't actually do anything until there is a SERIOUS
problem?  I find that very interesting since I have never heard anyone
mention anything like this before.  Thanks, Lonn.

Kirk

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Message: 24
From: "Garrick Olsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:21:40 -0500
Subject: [lro] Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bulkhead Draft
Thanks for the tip about that expanding foam.  I have some left over from 
closing a mouse hole in the "gazebo" (aka mouse house)

Drum Screws
My rear right wheel fell off at 30 mph.  It really went far!  The brake drum 
has a flattened spot and still works.  I had just installed new press in 
studs and I think the wheel got loose by pulling them the rest of the way 
through at the expense of leaving a gap that allowed the wheel to wiggle the 
lug nuts off.  Now, the studs are "lock studs" with a buggered thread, but 
the lugs still go on them and seem to hold securely.

My new and anti-seized drumscrews held nicely.
I have become a spaz about checking my nuts.
I need to replace all of those studs, and I'll be really nervous driving 
then!

-Rik
in Monnesota
1960 SWB SW
(even the DOME light works now!)

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Message: 25
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 01 10:23:49 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>And, he's got a diesel.  Where do you get vaccum to run a booster on a LR? 

Fit an alternator with a vacume pump built into the rear.  They are made 
for diesels.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:36:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] terror hoaxes (No LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Simon J. Harding wrote:

y 
> Has anyone here had a message forwarded to them regarding terror attacks at
> malls on halloween?  The message originated with a woman named Laura who had

YOu and sixty mllion others.

> people.  Barring any hoaxbuster information, do we trust that "the
> authorities"  have determined it was a hoax, or do we avoid the mall on
> Halloween???

http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/halloween.html

HTH,

David "AFU meanyhead" Scheidt

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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:35:57 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Re: Diesel Brakes (was converting from a single-circuit,
 non-servo)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<snip>
>2. Strangler flap - LR Diesels had a setup to generate intake manifold
>vacuum  - basically a flap and some plumbing. Sucks, but it's been known to
>work.

This what Mercedes used on their sedans for some time.  Later they 
added a vacuum booster pump.  It worked very well.

G. Mugele

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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:43:39 +0200
From: Hermen <[email-masked]>
To: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] terror hoaxes (No LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Simon> Has anyone here had a message forwarded to them regarding terror attacks at
Simon> malls on halloween?

I got it yesterday from [email-masked] (unknown to me). The subject was "Terrorists on Halloween?"

Hermen

Here's a copy of the text:

Hi All -
I think you all know that I don't send out hoaxes and don't do the
reactionary thing and send out anything that crosses my path. This one,
however, is a friend of a friend and I've given it enough credibility in my
mind that I'm writing it up and sending it out to all of you.
 
My friend's friend was dating a guy from Afghanistan up until a month ago.
She had a date with him around 9/6 and was stood up. She was understandably
upset and went to his home to find it completely emptied. On 9/10, she
received a letter from her boyfriend explaining that he wished he could tell
her why he had left and that he was sorry it had to be like that.
The part worth mentioning is that he BEGGED her not to get on any commercial
airlines on 9/11 and to not to go any malls on Halloween. As soon as
everything happened on the 11th, she called the FBI and has since turned
over
the letter.
This is not an email that I've received and decided to pass on. This came
from a phone conversation with a long-time friend of mine last night.
 
I may be wrong, and I hope I am. However, with one of his warnings being
correct and devastating, I'm not willing to take the chance on the second
and
wanted to make sure that people I cared about had the same information that
I
did.
Laura Katsis

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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:41:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Kirk Hillman wrote:

> 
> Lonn,
>     So these things don't actually do anything until there is a SERIOUS
> problem?  I find that very interesting since I have never heard anyone
> mention anything like this before.  Thanks, Lonn.

Yeah, the way they work is that they have a diaghram between the two pressure
circuits.  IF hte pressure in one is greater than the other, a switch is 
tripped, and a warning light lights.  Some also can block off the low pressure
circuit, so there isn't a loss of brake fluid.  Don't know if hte Rover one 
does that or not

Modern cars all have a system like this.  (Modern means since 1968 or so...)
If you've ever had the brake light come on while you've slammed down on the 
brakes, that's likely the reason.  (IN some vehicles, it could be a low fluid
warning.  I really hate overloaded indicators!)

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Message: 30
Subject: Re: [lro] Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 01 10:47:00 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>  I have it here now at home and it seems to be no worse for the wear. 

So basically he took a test trip using his bad check for collateral and 
decided not to purchase the vehicle?

Is that what happened?  What excuse did he give for this??

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 31
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 01 10:49:02 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Another thing to consider is the mysterious shuttle valve/ proportioning
>valve thing.  TeriAnn's the only person in the U.S. I know of who's
>gotten to the bottom of this. . .  Most of us just run open-line dual
>circuit.

All I did was read the appropriate section of a Stage I V8 factory 
workshop manual where it explained operation.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 32
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:49:51 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

(IN some vehicles, it could be a low fluid
warning.  I really hate overloaded indicators!)
_______________________________________________

As do I - later Classic Range Rover uses the warning light for low fluid,
but doesn't have a switch on the spool valve (somebody explain this one to
me.....).

                        ajr

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Message: 33
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:54:09 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 10/12/01 1:23:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> I have become a spaz about checking my nuts.
> 

Come again?

Nate

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Message: 34
From: "The Stockdales" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:54:33 -0600
Subject: [lro] Harley Servicar
Reply-To: [email-masked]

To who-ever was looking for a Harley Davidson Servicar, please e-mail me
directly.  There is a guy in England who is on the Norton list I get and is
selling one.

Hurricane Mitch

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Message: 35
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes:  converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 01 11:04:33 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Some also can block off the low pressure circuit, so there isn't 
> a loss of brake fluid.  Don't know if hte Rover one does that or not

According to the Stage I factory manual describing the operation of the 
system it does indeed do this for the front circuit.

On a 109 master cylinder the front circuit has a larger bore then the 
rear circuit and is offset to the bottom.  The front circuit is what the 
pedal pushes against in a 109 (It is the rear circuit in an 88 master 
cylinder).

Anyway the 109 master cylinder has no mechanical connection to the rear 
cylinder plunger (which is the front most circuit on a 109).

Loose pressure in a 109 front circuit without a PDWA and you have no 
brakes.  Loose the rear circuit and you still have the front circuit.  SO 
the 109 PDWA was designed to close off the front circuit in  case of 
pressure failure.

The 88 master cylinder has identical front and rear circuit bores and 
there is a rod on the rear most plunger (the one that gets pushed by the 
pedal) that can contact the front plunger and push it forward in event of 
a mechanical failure.  That's why the early Series III (at least the 
North American spec ones) do not come with a PDWA.  I believe they were 
fitted later with a PDWA type that trips a light but does not close off a 
circuit (rear less expensive type).

Yes I do tend to research the heck out of something before I make a 
conversion.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 36
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes: converting from a single-circuit, non-servo
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:07:03 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
>Yeah, the way they work is that they have a diaghram between the two 
>pressure
>circuits.  IF hte pressure in one is greater than the other, a switch is
>tripped, and a warning light lights.  Some also can block off the low 
>pressure
>circuit, so there isn't a loss of brake fluid.

The 88 doesn't have the shuttle valve so it is possible to pump the brake 
fluid out by repeated use of the brakes when one circuit is holed.  With the 
88, if you notice a loss of braking from either front or rear wheels, best 
to get to the side of the road ASAP using steady pressure on the brake 
pedal.  You'd probably recognize a front failure but a rear failure, since 
most of the braking is done by the front brakes, wouldn't be so noticable 
and you could inadvertantly pump out the fluid without the shuttle valve.

I researched the cost of switching my 109 to a dual circuit system with new 
parts, except the pedal tower and booster.  It was quite pricey, even direct 
from Merrie Olde.  From Memory, it was over $500.  There are quite a few 
parts that need to be swapped and the master cylinder and shuttle valve are 
especially costly.  The booster is also pricey if you don't have one on the 
shelf.

The single circuit works just fine as long as the continuity of the sytem 
remains intact.  Get a leaking pipe or rip off one of the flex lines, BTDT, 
and its instant pucker factor.  For reasons stated above, the non shuttle 
valve equipped dual circuit system (88) can lead to a false sense of 
security.

I drove my 88 for 3 or 4 years without a functioning booster.  It wasn't a 
problem stopping the truck but holding it on a hill definitely built up my 
right leg.  I could hold the truck motionless but felt the strain.  Don't 
have any experience with the 109 w/o boost.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Message: 37
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:14:47 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Happy Endings to Stolen Landrover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

He said that his mobile did not work, that he reversed his car over his
laptop and that he was in Mexico.  He had sent it back to me and it had
gone to the billing address and not MY address and that he was in Mexico
while this was going on. That does not explain why he hung up the phone
when ever I called. He must have had 100 or so "missed calls" on his mobile
for the last week.  I had him on redial.
Happy endings in the end though.
Mark

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >  I have it here now at home and it seems to be no worse for the wear.
>
> So basically he took a test trip using his bad check for collateral and
> decided not to purchase the vehicle?
>
> Is that what happened?  What excuse did he give for this??
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
>
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 38
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:12:53 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] terror hoaxes (No LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

This one has been floating around for a week or so; it's pretty well
refuted at http://www.snopes.com/rumors/mallrisk.htm.  That site is
very busy right now so you may have some trouble connecting.

FYI, http://www.snopes.com/rumors is probably one of the best sites for
checking into war or terror-related stuff like this.  The people who 
run the site are friends -- I've written a few articles for them -- 
and have said they're absolutely swamped with new stories and mangled
ULs (urban legends) about the terrorists and so forth.  One of the 
latest seems to be "be careful at malls or someone will spray you with
a 'cologne' that's actually a deadly virus; you'll die on the spot."
This is a mutation of an older scare about abductions at malls using
a sedative hidden in a cologne bottle...certainly an outgrowth of fear
about the terrorist situation.  (AFU-speak:  "furrfu!").

---------

LR content:  thanks to everyone who replied to my query about 88 hard
tops.  I've arranged to buy one in MD and just need to work out the
time to make the drive over.  (Thanks Nate!)

dj
1974 SIII Lightweight, "Smudger"

"Simon J. Harding" wrote:
> 
> Has anyone here had a message forwarded to them regarding terror attacks at
> malls on halloween?  [...]

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Message: 39
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:32:45 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How do you spell the drum sound that should always accompany an exchange
like this? Not a roll so much as a badabing....I thought it was VERY
funny by the way...

[email-masked] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/12/01 1:23:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
>
> > I have become a spaz about checking my nuts.
> >
>
> Come again?
>
> Nate
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 40
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:01:55 -0700
Subject: [lro] terrorism hoaxes
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks folks.  Apparently the San Jose Mercury debunked it too....
Simon

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Message: 41
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:12:36 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 10/12/01 2:33:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked] 
writes:

> How do you spell the drum sound that should always accompany an exchange
> like this? Not a roll so much as a badabing....I thought it was VERY
> funny by the way...
> 
> 

I don't know how to spell it, but it's called a "rimshot"

No joke

Nate

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Message: 42
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:28:48 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 10/12/01 3:14:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked] 
writes:

Gotta take that one back.  Thought about it some more and you're talking 
about the little lick that drummers play for comedians.  Don't know what 
that's called.

-N

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Message: 43
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Cam bearings and oil pump 
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:36:40 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The cam bearings probably can't be replaced in situ.  You have to destroy 
them to get them out.  New ones need to be reamed to fit the cam, after 
installation.  Have heard rumors that you can now get cam bearings that fit 
out of the box, anyone confirm this??  To do it with the engine in the 
truck, you'd have to remove the breakfast, at the least, and tow the truck 
to a machine shop.  It's also a bitch to get at the bolts for the rear cam 
plate.  You don't have to remove this to R&R the cam but would probably have 
to pull it to ream the bearings.  I suppose you could try and do the work in 
the machine shop's parking lot to save the tow.  Anyway, that still leaves 
the problem of getting rid of the reaming detritus.

If you haven't replaced/rebuilt the oil pump, that's where I'd begin.  Easy 
to do with the engine in place and not a bad idea to do anyway, especially 
if the mileage is getting up there.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Message: 44
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:50:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Bulkhead Draft/ Wheel Fell off
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 10/12/01 3:14:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked] 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> Gotta take that one back.  Thought about it some more and you're talking 
> about the little lick that drummers play for comedians.  Don't know what 
> that's called.
> 

A zinger, I think.

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Message: 45
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:02:00 -0700
Subject: [lro] turn signal lens repair
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've had good results on lenses  for volvo and rover with superglue, but not
with a lense broken in half.  I'd go with clear epoxy and fibreglass cloth
backing as suggested, after devising a way to clamp it together securely
while drying.
Simon

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Message: 46
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:06:13 -0700
Subject: [lro] solenoid failure question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Can someone enlighten me on starter solenoid deaths?  Do they typically die
a sudden complete death or do they exhibit some signs of  failure before
failing completely.  I have some kind of intermittent fault in my ignition.
I turn the key and not a thing happens.  No lights on the dash (like the oil
pressure light and cold start light), nada.  Other times, (most of the time)
it starts fine, runs fine.  The last time my SIII did this, I fiddled a bit
with the wiring at the solenoid jumped back in and it fired up fine.  No
loose wiring at the solenoid that I could detect.  Batt.  cables are fine,
grounding is fine and its charging fine.  Battery is a newish optima.  Its
only done this twice, about three four weeks ago.  The only times I've had a
starter solenoid fail, it died suddenly and permanently.
Simon

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Message: 47
Date: 12 Oct 2001 15:28:10 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] solenoid failure question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 12 October 2001, "Simon J. Harding" wrote:

>Can someone enlighten me on starter >solenoid deaths?  

Are you sure your cables are fine?  I had a similar problem last winter and the solution was in the replacement of the 4 ga. wire from the solenoid to the starter.  Turns out it was fairly well corroded inside the insulation - where I couldn't see it.  You could replace both the wire and the solenoid for the hell of it.  I used a 4 contact Niehoff farm implement solenoid.  Works great, cost $12 - but it's metalic maroon, which has got to count for something.

Bryan

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Message: 48
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:29:55 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] solenoid failure question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Not sure what others have seen, but when Smudger's solenoid packed in
it was sudden...one day you turned the key and he'd crank, the next
and he simply didn't crank at all.  Dash lights should be unaffected
by a bad starter solenoid, however.  Sounds more like a problem at 
the key switch if you're sure the battery cables are okay (they could
look okay but have some concealed corrosion).

cheers,

dj

"Simon J. Harding" wrote:
> 
> Can someone enlighten me on starter solenoid deaths?  Do they typically die
> a sudden complete death or do they exhibit some signs of  failure before
> failing completely.  I have some kind of intermittent fault in my ignition.
> I turn the key and not a thing happens.  No lights on the dash (like the oil
> pressure light and cold start light), nada.  Other times, (most of the time)
> it starts fine, runs fine.  The last time my SIII did this, I fiddled a bit
> with the wiring at the solenoid jumped back in and it fired up fine.  No
> loose wiring at the solenoid that I could detect.  Batt.  cables are fine,
> grounding is fine and its charging fine.  Battery is a newish optima.  Its
> only done this twice, about three four weeks ago.  The only times I've had a
> starter solenoid fail, it died suddenly and permanently.
> Simon
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 49
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:02:15 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> There was some news about a flame thrower anti hijacking device in the
news
> a while back.  It turned any hijacker into charcoal.  Never heard more
about
> it, did it have much effect on the hijacking threat???

>Lucas based, I surmise?

  In the late sixties and early seventies I worked on Lucas flamethrowers
which we fitted to a variety of aircraft,
   Lucas made Gas turbine starters and auxiliary power units, the flames
could be thrown quite a long way.  The designs were based on the original
Rover Co gasTurbine work, Lucas bought the Former Alvis, former Rover
Aircraft equipmnt stuff in 1968.
 
Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 50
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:23:55 -0400
From: "d.h.lowe" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] turn signal lens repair
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Paul,  Make a mould out of plasticene by using  and pressing the lens from the
other side into it. Place the broken bits into the mould and pour some clear
epoxy into the broken areas. There used to be a product on the market called
"Form-a-Lens" which included the coloured epoxy. It might have been a Loctite
product. I know Halfords in the UK used to sell it and it may be available on
this side.
Dave

Simon J. Harding wrote:

> I've had good results on lenses  for volvo and rover with superglue, but not
> with a lense broken in half.  I'd go with clear epoxy and fibreglass cloth
> backing as suggested, after devising a way to clamp it together securely
> while drying.
> Simon
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Message: 51
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] solenoid failure question
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:43:37 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Friday 12 October 2001 18:06, Simon J. Harding wrote:

>  Its only done this twice, about three four weeks ago.  The only times I've
> had a starter solenoid fail, it died suddenly and permanently.

Same here. The progression went something like this:

Feb or so, hard start, then nothing. (At ALL) Bad wire from battery to 
starter solenoid. Changed that, worked great. 

Last month I had a hard start, then the next time, again nothing. Checked the 
wires and all was good. Used a jumper cable to go direct battery to starter 
and vroom. Got a BorgWarner solenoid from PBoys and the series is again a 
happy truck :-)

So my guess is, with no lights on dash or anything you have a iffy connection 
at either the key circuit, or at the batter or solenoid but not necessarily 
something 'dead'.

-Nick

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Message: 52
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:19:47 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism.....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill Leacock wrote:
>Lucas made Gas turbine starters and auxiliary power units, the flames could 
>be thrown quite a long way.
>
This talk of flame throwers reminds of something.  Years
ago I was at a drive-in burger stand and this guy in an
old GTO was shooting flames seemingly out of his exhaust
tail pipes.  I've often wondered how.  Anyone know if it
is possible to ignite the exhaust gasses with some sort
of spark device at the tail pipe - maybe in conjunction
with enriching the mixture temporarily with a manual
choke or something?  Or do you think this guy just had
some kind of hose with flammable gas piped down there to
give the appearance of emitting from the tail pipe?
Either way would be a good way to scare tailgaters:)

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 53
From: "Vel Natarajan" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism.....
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:09:15 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Raw gas is fed out through the exhaust and ingited by a tailpipe mounted
spark-plug.  There's an article on a "Tire-burnout night at the Orange Show
Speedway in San Bernadino" in the latest "Autoweek" magazine (Oct 15 Issue)
which mentions this.  You can actually buy a "flamethrower conversion kit".
Not something I'd spend my money on, but there's apparently a market for
this stuff...

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
Of Tim Czajka

This talk of flame throwers reminds of something.  Years
ago I was at a drive-in burger stand and this guy in an
old GTO was shooting flames seemingly out of his exhaust
tail pipes.  I've often wondered how.  Anyone know if it
is possible to ignite the exhaust gasses with some sort
of spark device at the tail pipe - maybe in conjunction
with enriching the mixture temporarily with a manual
choke or something?

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Message: 54
From: "Lance da Silva" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:30:09 +0200
Subject: [lro] Engine No
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have fitted a 2.25l replacement engine to my 109. It is a 5 Main Brg engine. What puzzles me is that there is a 
S stamped on the engine block at the start of the engine No. This S does not look part of the original engine marking. Any 
clues
Lance

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