Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #118 - 39 msgs

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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:03:19 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Wiring wish list. (apsilon)
   2. In defense of Lucar connectors: (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   3. Re: Terrorism in small town America (MAR story) (Rob MacCormick)
   4. Re: Brake drum screws (Rob MacCormick)
   5. Re: Brake drum screws (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   6. MAR: The mechanical toll ([email-masked])
   7. Re: Brake drum screws (David Scheidt)
   8. Re: Brake drum screws (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   9. Re: Series Seat Frames , , Hank are you out there? ?   =) (Lonn & Rhonda)
  10. Re: Series Seat Frames , , Hank are you out there? ?   =) (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  11. Re: Brake drum screws (Brad Crittenden)
  12. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (Paul Oxley)
  13. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  14. DC sights (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  15. Re: Brake drum screws (David Scheidt)
  16. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  17. Re: Brake drum screws (Rob MacCormick)
  18. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (Keith Tanner)
  19. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  20. Re: Brake drum screws (David Scheidt)
  21. Re: Terrorism in small town America (James G.Wolf)
  22. Re: Brake drum screws (Rob MacCormick)
  23. washer nozzles (William J. Rice)
  24. Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....) (Faure, Marin)
  25. Re: Terrorism ([email-masked])
  26. Re: washer nozzles (Bill Fishel)
  27. Re: Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....) (Rob MacCormick)
  28. Re: Terrorism in small town America - unbelievably
       off-topic (Frank Elson)
  29. Driving the LR (Garrick Olsen)
  30. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: (Keith Tanner)
  31. Re: washer nozzles (William J. Rice)
  32. Re: Driving the LR (Tim Czajka)
  33. Re: Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....) (Alex Maiolo)
  34. Re: Brake drum screws (Larry Smith)
  35. Re: washer nozzles (Bill Fishel)
  36. Re: Terrorism (Andrew H. Litkowiak)
  37. Re: Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....) (Paul Oxley)
  38. Re: In defense of Lucar connectors: ([email-masked])

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Message: 1
From: "apsilon" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Wiring wish list.
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:00:12 +1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Keith said > I like relays. I also like big powerful lights, so this is a
good match.

I'll say you like lights. I don't think the miata list will ever forget this
http://keith.miata.net/BAL.html :)

All good suggestions. I'm with Keith though when it comes to the connectors
and wiring. Staying original may be nice but why not use the opportunity to
improve things? This approach my not be for everyone as it really does
require being fully documented, not just for possible future owners but for
your own future reference.

Matt.

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Message: 2
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:40:29 -0400
Subject: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Weeeellllll.....I dunno about new car type connectors - the old Lucar has
quite a few advantages that, while not balancing its annying habit of
corroding do give it a home in my shop.

The first is ease of installation - anyone with a soldering iron and half a
brain can install a Lucar bullet in less time than it takes to talk about
it. This installation is permanent, incapable of internal corrosion like a
crimped connection and isn't reliant on the tool for proper application - a
cheap soldering iron can do the job with no qualms, which is more than I
can say for cheap crimp tools.

The second is the simplicity of the connections - all the wires terminate
in bullets. This makes things really simple - you don't have to worry about
plugs and sockets and making sure which bit is proper to mate with the
other bit. All this is done in the barrels - you just put the proper barrel
in the proper place and be done with it.

Third, the modification of wiring is dead-simple with Lucar connectors.
Anyone who has ever tried to add a trailer wiring harness will testify that
it's usually a nightmare if you want to do it right - stripping and
soldering bits of the harness or using adapter connectors to make the
connections. With a Lucar harness it's dirt-simple - you make up your stub
harness with the appropriate wires of the appropriate lengths, then replace
the two-bullet barrels with four-bullet ones and simply plug it in. No
fuss, no muss, and completely reversible to stock if desired. Relay
connections, miodifications and the like can be added the same way - just
unplug the original connection, plug in the new and be done with it.

Now, I'll admit that the old Lucar system isn't perfect - the essentially
open design of the connector does make for a corrosion problem. This,
however, can be easily dealt with as repairs or modifications are made. The
big problem is corrosion - once you clean out the corrosion it's easy to
prevent if you seal off the oxygen from the connector.

In short - grease. I keep a tube of lithium grease around the shop just for
these connections - simply clean up or replace the barrel (I keep them in
stock), clean up the bullets with a wirebrush or Scotch-Brite, then fill
the barrel with lithium grease before you push the bullets back in to it.
The grease will displace the air in the connection and prevent any
corrosion - and won't get in the way of a good contact in the connector.

So, don't discount the old Lucar system - it has a lot of advantages that
the new modular connector systems don't.

            ajr - 2001

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:15:52 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Terrorism in small town America (MAR story)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> There was some news about a flame thrower anti hijacking device in the news
> a while back.  It turned any hijacker into charcoal.  Never heard more about
> it, did it have much effect on the hijacking threat???

Lucas based, I surmise?

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:12:37 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Me too....The first effort required a chisel to get things started.....but
not no more...I remember the first effort like it was yesterday.... I was
wondering if they were reverse threaded or something kooky. A kind and
knowledgable soul was schooling me and looked at me like I was an idiot
(its a fine line - the jury left in tears) and started one with a chisel.

Hey ajr? Ever been accused of being kind and knowledgable? With a soul to
boot no less!

Rob M
Concord, MA USA

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >If you get one of the impact driver kits
>
> Personally I use anti size when putting the screws in and do not torque
> then down.  The wheel keeps them from backing out if one should become
> loose.

Rob M
Concord, MA

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Message: 5
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:38:59 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hey ajr? Ever been accused of being kind and knowledgable? With a soul to
boot no less!

Rob M

Not by anyone who wasn't after something.....8)

Those screws are the bane of my existence. I have more than once goten to
the point of just drilling the heads off them and then taking a pair of
Vise-Grip(tm) pliers to the reamining bit.

If it wan't for the holes to let crap into the drum I'd just leave 'em out
- it's not like they actyually DO anyrthing....8)

                        ajr

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Message: 6
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:40:35 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] MAR: The mechanical toll
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all,

Last evening I had a chance to check the extent of damage from MAR.  The list 
follows:

1. Hub oil seal leak, Right front (5 years and 30K since last replaced)
2. Swivel Pin Housing oil seal leak, Left front (same time and distance--may 
be related to plugged axle breather, see 3.)
3. Plugged axle breather, front axle
4. Scrape and shallow dent Left door and rear wheel well--driver error 
(Would've been worse except Trevor Easton, Jeff Berg and crew helped un-wedge 
me--I mean the truck)

All in all, repairs will come in well under budget ;o)

Nate

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:40:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> 
> If it wan't for the holes to let crap into the drum I'd just leave 'em out
> - it's not like they actyually DO anyrthing....8)
> 

They're vitally important to keeping the brake drum on when the wheel falls
off.  

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Message: 8
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:50:36 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Dave "My name is SCHEIDT!" adds:

They're vitally important to keeping the brake drum on when the wheel falls
off.

Personal opinion - if the wheel falls off you have other things to worry
about....but conceded, that is important to give you SOME kind of rolling
surface (no dig-in).

I conceded the point....you were serious, right?

                        ajr

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Message: 9
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Series Seat Frames , , Hank are you out there? ?   =)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:58:30 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I don't have frames for my ex-MOD SIIa seatbacks.  They attached to a
pivot point on the seatbox directly.  Did the different Series rigs us
different seat mounting methods?

Lonn

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Message: 10
Subject: Re: [lro] Series Seat Frames , , Hank are you out there? ?   =)
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:05:08 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I don't have frames for my ex-MOD SIIa seatbacks.  They attached to a
pivot point on the seatbox directly.  Did the different Series rigs us
different seat mounting methods?

Lonn

Yessir - they did.

The direct mount you have is the original method for II/IIa seats - no
adjustment. This is what got used in 88s all along, near as I can tell.

The adjustable seats came in with 109s and these used the adjustment rails
and the like. Deluxe used them too....

                  aj"Speaking from flawed memory of catalogue pages....."r

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Message: 11
From: "Brad Crittenden" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:10:08 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

with all of this talk about chewed up drum screws, i should point out i saw
this morning that thatched roof garage carries replacements for 35 cents.
spend a couple of bucks now, apply some anti-seize, and avoid headaches
later.

--brad

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws

>
> Dave "My name is SCHEIDT!" adds:
>
> They're vitally important to keeping the brake drum on when the wheel
falls
> off.
>
> Personal opinion - if the wheel falls off you have other things to worry
> about....but conceded, that is important to give you SOME kind of rolling
> surface (no dig-in).
>
> I conceded the point....you were serious, right?
>
>                         ajr
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:07:36 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
 
> The first is ease of installation - anyone with a soldering iron and half a
> brain can install a Lucar bullet 

Hey! At last I'm qualified for something.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 01 07:32:32 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Weeeellllll.....I dunno about new car type connectors - the old Lucar has
>quite a few advantages that, while not balancing its annying habit of
>corroding do give it a home in my shop.

A bit of dielectric grease helps to keep moisture out of the connection.

>
>The first is ease of installation - anyone with a soldering iron and half a
>brain can install a Lucas bullet in less time than it takes to talk about
>it. This installation is permanent, incapable of internal corrosion like a
>crimped connection and isn't reliant on the tool for proper application 

There is currently crip version of the bullet connector available as well 
as the solder version.

>The second is the simplicity of the connections - all the wires terminate
>in bullets. This makes things really simple - you don't have to worry about
>plugs and sockets and making sure which bit is proper to mate with the
>other bit. All this is done in the barrels - you just put the proper barrel
>in the proper place and be done with it.

I like that part too simple enough even I can do it.  Especially if the 
insulation colours of both wires to be connected are the same colour.  As 
long as I have my Lucas decoder chart I can go up to a strange British 
car and quickly identify a circuit to.

It is one of endearing things about British cars.

>So, don't discount the old Lucar system - it has a lot of advantages that
>the new modular connector systems don't.
>
>            ajr - 2001

A man after my own heart!

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:47:03 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] DC sights
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Bring them with you! The place is called the Brickskeller Hotel, and it's a
>downstairs pub. They serve pizza and regular meals - not too fancy, but the
>burgers are good.

>And oh....the beer.

Ah, yes...that's the place with the *eight page* beer menu, right?  I'm not
quite sure how I made it up and out of there last time....

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
	*------------------------------------------------------*

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:37:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> 
> Dave "My name is SCHEIDT!" adds:
> 
> They're vitally important to keeping the brake drum on when the wheel falls
> off.
> 
> Personal opinion - if the wheel falls off you have other things to worry
> about....but conceded, that is important to give you SOME kind of rolling
> surface (no dig-in).
> 
> I conceded the point....you were serious, right?

Yes.  I've been there, done that, chased after my own wheel....

I was very glad that the drum stayed put -- I didn't want to touch the brakes, 
and at ~50 (I was just shifting into OD), you slide a long way.  I donon't 
think the drum actually turned, but it's much better able to support the
weight of the truck than the brake backing plate.  Fortunatly, I had a large 
selection of spare tires with me, as the one on the bonnet had gone flat...

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Message: 16
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:39:44 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A man after my own heart!

TeriAnn Wakeman

Why, thank you! <blush>

            aj"Awwwwww....."r

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:44:47 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ummmmm.......You're scaring me...How is it that the wheel parted company?

David Scheidt wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
>
> >
> > Dave "My name is SCHEIDT!" adds:
> >
> > They're vitally important to keeping the brake drum on when the wheel falls
> > off.
> >
> > Personal opinion - if the wheel falls off you have other things to worry
> > about....but conceded, that is important to give you SOME kind of rolling
> > surface (no dig-in).
> >
> > I conceded the point....you were serious, right?
>
> Yes.  I've been there, done that, chased after my own wheel....
>
> I was very glad that the drum stayed put -- I didn't want to touch the brakes,
> and at ~50 (I was just shifting into OD), you slide a long way.  I donon't
> think the drum actually turned, but it's much better able to support the
> weight of the truck than the brake backing plate.  Fortunatly, I had a large
> selection of spare tires with me, as the one on the bonnet had gone flat...
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:08:09 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Actually, have worked a fair bit on a modern car and a Rover, I kind of 
like the fact that it can be made impossible to hook the wrong wires 
together by proper use of connectors. If the connectors physically attach, 
then it's the proper connection to make!  I'm not going to go quite that 
far, but I will be reversing various connectors to make it as difficult as 
possible to mis-connect circuits! Don't worry, the only way you'll be able 
to tell is that I won't have as many wiring problems on the trail and I'll 
be able to pull my connectors apart without having to yank on the wires 
themselves :)

>I like that part too simple enough even I can do it.  Especially if the
>insulation colours of both wires to be connected are the same colour.  As
>long as I have my Lucas decoder chart I can go up to a strange British
>car and quickly identify a circuit to.

Okay, I have to comment here.
dash lights: red
side lights: red
taillights: red
main beam warning light: red

So if I'm behind the dash and trying to find the other end of the wire that 
goes to the inoperative taillights, I know it's one of the four red ones. Hmm.

My favorite is the mixture switch (I'm not even sure what that is, as I 
don't think I have one):
fuse to switch: green
switch to bullet connector: LG (not on the colour chart, but I'm assuming 
light green)
bullet connector to warning light: white
warning light to bullet connector: red
bullet connector to next bullet connector: L/GR (light green with a red 
stripe???)
second bullet connector to mixture thermostat switch: L/GR again
..and on to ground.

Keith

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Message: 19
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:38:27 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Re: Idiot-proof connectors:

Y'know, I lean the other way on those - I like the ability to reconfigure
circuits on the fly, so to speak. This makes it reallty easyt to get around
the inevitable problems tyhat happen with any gear - even new stuff. An
example here would be the brandy-new, sealed, non-Lucas high/low beam
switch I had installed on Mr. C - which promptly failed null 10 minutes
into a trip leaving me with no headlights.

A quick whack at the wiring had that jumpered in a few moments...

Different horses, different courses. It's what you like and are used to.

Also, I've rarely if ever had problems with cared-for Lucas electrical
bits...

                              ajr

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Rob MacCormick wrote:

> 
> Ummmmm.......You're scaring me...How is it that the wheel parted company?
> 

Some bozo (me!) forgot to tighten my lugnuts properly.

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:33:31 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Terrorism in small town America
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>My cheap solution: Make peace in the middle east, stop these
>my-enemies-enemy-is-my-friend-politics, and treat arabic countries like
>partners and not like stupid camel f..kers living on oil drenched sand, and
>they won't treat us like pig-eating infidels.

I worked for three years in KSA (Kingdon of Saudi Arabia), before it became
fashionable,
during and after the gulf war. I started off my treating my employees just
as I did here
in the states. I listened to what they said, had lunch with them, and had
meeting with
my supervisors where I provided the goodies and took notes of their ideas
and implemented
those that seemed like they would make things better. I never had any
trouble with my work force.
I think you are on the right track here.
Jim Wolf  
Jim & Jeanne Wolf
Elvenwood Kennel
  at Tighe na Ulbhaidh
450 Mount Vernon Ave
Portsmouth, VA, 23707 USA
757-397-2428
[email-masked]
http://www.elvenwood.com

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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:06:35 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rob, Note to self: Assess lugnuts when you get home.....Rob

> Some bozo (me!) forgot to tighten my lugnuts properly.

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Message: 23
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:57:23 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] washer nozzles
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Did SIIIs come w/ these already installed on the bulkhead?  If so, where
do I drill?

thanks,
bill

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Message: 24
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:27:45 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Terrorism in small town America (MAR story)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
 
>> There was some news about a flame thrower anti hijacking device in the
news
> a while back.  It turned any hijacker into charcoal.  Never heard more
about
> it, did it have much effect on the hijacking threat???

>Yeah, apparently it worked just fine, but I haven't heard of it
actually being used in anger. There was a neat mpeg of it somewhere...

It was developed in South Africa a couple of years ago as a way of 
preventing carjackings which occur on a daily basis, generally with 
fatal results for the original occupants of the car.  I was in Europe 
and the BBC or someone ran a story about it, complete with 
demo as to how it works (they used dummies for the carjackers).  
The device has two nozzles, one angled up from the chassis 
on each side of the car below the front doors.  A push of a button 
sends a jet of flame out the nozzles and sets anyone standing beside 
either of the doors on fire.  It's very effective and the report indicated 
that this was not a "one of a kind" experiment, but was a device 
that could be purchased and installed by anyone wanting one.  I  
have not heard any more about them, but perhaps they have become 
commonplace items now in Johannesburg and other locations where 
carjackings are very common.  The report didn't say if one or both 
nozzles could be selected by the driver; it simply showed both of them 
"firing."  The flame does not reach out very far, but it is pretty intense,
and 
is sufficient to ignite the clothing and severely burn anyone standing
beside 
the door trying to get in.

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Message: 25
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:45:28 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Terrorism
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Let's not forget that Hitler was elected.

Civil liberties in 1930s Germany disappeared one at a time.  

My fear is that congress will use homeland security as an excuse to deprive 
us of one civil liberty at a time until this becomes just another police 
state.

Mark Twain wrote: "It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there 
is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."  

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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Message: 26
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] washer nozzles
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:10:45 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill
Mine did. They come out of the bulkhead very close to were the wiper arm comes out. My tubing has become pinched somewhere behind the dash and I can't get them to spray. Instead of removing the dash I'm thinking of mounting a different set of nozzles on the bonnet and having the tubing all inside the engine compartment.

If you want an exact measurement I'll be happy to run out and measure it.

Bill Fishel

----------
> From: William J. Rice <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] washer nozzles
> Date: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:57 AM
> 
> 
> Did SIIIs come w/ these already installed on the bulkhead?  If so, where
> do I drill?
> 
> thanks,
> bill
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:27:48 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sounds like an easy mod. to my dormobile....Hmmmmm, better fix that fuel leak
first thou.....Rob M

> The device has two nozzles, one angled up from the chassis

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Message: 28
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Terrorism in small town America - unbelievably
  off-topic
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:03:49 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Holger writes: >>>> they won't treat us like pig-eating infidels.<<<
yes they will, because to them, we are.

Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 29
From: "Garrick Olsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:24:21 -0500
Subject: [lro] Driving the LR
Reply-To: [email-masked]

After 2 years of (intermittent) work and no substantial driving, I felt a 
surge of adventure as I set out for a 45 min each way trip to a meeting last 
night!!

I felt pretty confident in the mechanicals since so much has recently been 
renewed by me.  The only parts I questioned were the parts I havd avoided.  
The oil pump and the cam bearings.

The pressure dropped to 10 at idle once warmed up and the motor knocks like 
a (loud) kitten purring while under load.  The pressure was 60 at start up 
and 40 at 50 mph. (no od)

How much time effort goes into replacing those (3) bearings?  Can I do it 
from below in situ?

Is the oil pump working based on these observations?

Any cheap way to close the drafts in the bulkhead ie around the steering 
column?  I tried duct tape, but it curled off.

Thanks for the tips on seat belts.  I'd really like to have a headrest frame 
that slips over the seat bulkhead behins the original seat and has a mount 
for the over the shoulder braclket for the 3 point harness.  Anyone made one 
yet?  Anybody want to?

PS: Afrer my meeting last night, one of the others, who had just bought a 
1972 FJ for $1200, wnated to see my LR.  After going over the PTO and hand 
crank and generator and volt regulator and front vents, and tropical roof, 
he said, "Man, you've got the cooler truck!"

Thankyouverymuch

-Rik
in Minnesota
1960 SWB SW

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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:29:44 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Y'know, I lean the other way on those - I like the ability to reconfigure
>circuits on the fly, so to speak.

I have thought aboutthat :) I'm going to make it possible to bypass certain 
circuits and possible failure points - but hopefully also make it 
impossible to accidentally run the headlights through the horn button.

>Also, I've rarely if ever had problems with cared-for Lucas electrical
>bits...

The switches, gauges and warning lights will be remaining, as will anything 
else that isn't a wire or connector. The generator and voltage regulator 
have already been "fired" from their job, but anything that is working will 
be allowed to stay :)

Keith

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Message: 31
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:31:46 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] washer nozzles
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No exact measurement necc.  Do you recall if they're inboard or outboard
of where the wiper arms come out?  Oh yeah, mine's a SIIA, so my wiper
arms don't even come out where yours do, or do they?

bill

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:10:45 -0400 "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
writes:
> 
> Bill
> Mine did. They come out of the bulkhead very close to were the wiper 
> arm comes out. My tubing has become pinched somewhere behind the 
> dash and I can't get them to spray. Instead of removing the dash I'm 
> thinking of mounting a different set of nozzles on the bonnet and 
> having the tubing all inside the engine compartment.
> 
> If you want an exact measurement I'll be happy to run out and 
> measure it.
> 
> Bill Fishel
> 
> ----------
> > From: William J. Rice <[email-masked]>
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: [lro] washer nozzles
> > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:57 AM
> > 
> > 
> > Did SIIIs come w/ these already installed on the bulkhead?  If so, 
> where
> > do I drill?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > bill
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
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Message: 32
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:14:13 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Driving the LR
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Garrick Olsen wrote:
>Any cheap way to close the drafts in the bulkhead ie around the steering 
>column?  I tried duct tape, but it curled off.
>
Well there is household caulk.  But if the gaps are too big
to bridge there is also now an expanding foam in a can that
is latex based.  Which means it is water cleanup - much easier
to work with and clean off than the old kind.  Although the
latex variety does not set as hard, but you are not trying
to keep mice or insects out.  Or are you?  They seem to have
an affinity for nesting in my vehicles if parked too long.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 33
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:10:51 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Sounds like an easy mod. to my dormobile....Hmmmmm, better fix that fuel
leak
> first thou.....Rob M

Fix it?!?!?!?!
EMPLOY it!

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

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Message: 34
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:05:12 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Brad, et al,

I bought a supply of similar screws, but instead of a screw driver slot,
they have a hole for a hex (allen) wrench.  You get more leverage and the
screws are phosphated so they don't seem to "stick".  That plus antiseize
and bob's you uncle.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Crittenden" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 11 October, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws

>
> with all of this talk about chewed up drum screws, i should point out i
saw
> this morning that thatched roof garage carries replacements for 35 cents.
> spend a couple of bucks now, apply some anti-seize, and avoid headaches
> later.
>
> --brad
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [lro] Brake drum screws
>
>
> >
> > Dave "My name is SCHEIDT!" adds:
> >
> > They're vitally important to keeping the brake drum on when the wheel
> falls
> > off.
> >
> > Personal opinion - if the wheel falls off you have other things to worry
> > about....but conceded, that is important to give you SOME kind of
rolling
> > surface (no dig-in).
> >
> > I conceded the point....you were serious, right?
> >
> >                         ajr
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Message: 35
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] washer nozzles
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:27:42 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill
They are inboard of the wiper arm shaft. Measured from the edge of the bulkhead the wiper arm shaft on mine is 14 inches and the spray nozzle is 16.5 inches. They are all at the same height from the top edge of the bulkhead. This is the space above the bulkhead vents and below the lip on the windscreen.

The IIA windscreen with independent wiper motors have the shaft protruding above the lip at the bottom of the windscreen. The SIII is mounted through the bulkhead instead. I'm not sure about late IIA's with the single motor system. 
----------
> From: William J. Rice <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] washer nozzles
> Date: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:31 PM
> 
> 
> No exact measurement necc.  Do you recall if they're inboard or outboard
> of where the wiper arms come out?  Oh yeah, mine's a SIIA, so my wiper
> arms don't even come out where yours do, or do they?
> 
> bill
> 
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:10:45 -0400 "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
> writes:
> > 
> > Bill
> > Mine did. They come out of the bulkhead very close to were the wiper 
> > arm comes out. My tubing has become pinched somewhere behind the 
> > dash and I can't get them to spray. Instead of removing the dash I'm 
> > thinking of mounting a different set of nozzles on the bonnet and 
> > having the tubing all inside the engine compartment.
> > 
> > If you want an exact measurement I'll be happy to run out and 
> > measure it.
> > 
> > Bill Fishel
> > 
> > ----------
> > > From: William J. Rice <[email-masked]>
> > > To: [email-masked]
> > > Subject: [lro] washer nozzles
> > > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:57 AM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Did SIIIs come w/ these already installed on the bulkhead?  If so, 
> > where
> > > do I drill?
> > > 
> > > thanks,
> > > bill
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > LRO mailing list
> > > [email-masked]
> > > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 36
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:51:13 -0500
From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Terrorism
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I had hoped someone would respond to this. Sigh.

I am not disputing the need for discomfort over some of the proposals.
I, for one, am opposed to some of the more blatant potential
violations of our rights.

However, I believe it is inappropriate to compare the "election" of
Adolph Hitler to any decocratic process in this country. Without going
into a huge treatise, I can tell you that the politcal and electoral
landscape in Germany in the early 30's is so far from what we know
that most would not beleive it.

To any who would use this comparison, I strongly urge you to crack the
books again. It is simply not accurate or appropriate.

Andy Litkowiak

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Let's not forget that Hitler was elected.
> 
> Civil liberties in 1930s Germany disappeared one at a time.
> 
> My fear is that congress will use homeland security as an excuse to deprive
> us of one civil liberty at a time until this becomes just another police
> state.
> 
> Mark Twain wrote: "It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there
> is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."
> 
> Paul Donohue
> 1965 Land Rover 109
> Denver
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Message: 37
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:01:15 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Flame thrower (was terrorism....)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Faure, Marin" wrote:
> I have not heard any more about them, but perhaps they have become
> commonplace items now in Johannesburg and other locations where
> carjackings are very common.

I live and work (most of the time) in Jo'burg and I've neither heard of
anyone having it fitted, nor heard of it being used. I have a faint
suspicion that the South African Police Service (there's a joke) may
have whispered in the inventor's ear, and made him abandon the project.

Very crime friendly and tolerant our authorities.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 38
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:36:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] In defense of Lucar connectors:
From: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I keep a 5cc syringe loaded with lithium dielectric grease for just such
purposes.

chris hall

>In short - grease. I keep a tube of lithium grease around the shop just
for
>these connections - simply clean up or replace the barrel (I keep them
in
>stock), clean up the bullets with a wirebrush or Scotch-Brite, then fill
>the barrel with lithium grease before you push the bullets back in to
it.
>The grease will displace the air in the connection and prevent any
>corrosion - and won't get in the way of a good contact in the connector.

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