Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #107 - 43 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Replying to posts (Russ Wilson)
   2. Re: Another sucessful relay removal ([email-masked])
   3. Re: The soul of a Land Rover (was fixing up a Land Rover) (Ian Stuart)
   4. Re: Photo of mystery diff. ([email-masked])
   5. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Jim Hall)
   6. Re: Swapping front and rear differentials (Jim Hall)
   7. Mole grips (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
   8. Re: Swapping front and rear differentials (Tim Czajka)
   9. Traumatic news (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  10. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Hope Peter)
  11. Quick Fix for Swivel Ball Leak. . . ([email-masked])
  12. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Jim Hall)
  13. Re: Traumatic news (Bill Adams)
  14. MAR UPDATE... (Tackley, John)
  15. Re: Traumatic news (Jim Hall)
  16. Re: Quick Fix for Swivel Ball Leak. . . (RON WARD)
  17. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Jim Hall)
  18. problem with new clutch master... (george kase)
  19. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Hope Peter)
  20. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Jim Hall)
  21. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Bryan Hoult)
  22. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Hope Peter)
  23. Re: The joys of traveling (Frank Elson)
  24. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Keith Tanner)
  25. Re: Photo of mystery diff. ([email-masked])
  26. Sunk Land Rover (Martin Rothman)
  27. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Tim Czajka)
  28. Re: coiler gear ratios (Hermen)
  29. Re: The joys of traveling (Frank Elson)
  30. Re: Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Stephen West-Fisher)
  31. Re: Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover) (N Forbes)
  32. Re: Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover) ([email-masked])
  33. Re: Traumatic news (N Forbes)
  34. whitworth sized hardware (Rich & Lori Williams)
  35. Re: whitworth sized hardware (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  36. Re: Mole grips (Andrew H. Litkowiak)
  37. Re: whitworth sized hardware (Jeff Bieler)
  38. Re: whitworth sized hardware ([email-masked])
  39. Re: problem with new clutch master... (Jim Hall)
  40. Help cure cancer (Steve Reddock)
  41. Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover) (Tim Czajka)
  42. Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover) (Tim Czajka)
  43. Mysterious elec. problem (S. Vels)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:19:27 -0700
From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Replying to posts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

MItch  doesn't drink anymore so I'm not too sure how much piss he has in 
him.  Back in his drinking days though.....
On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 10:38 PM, John Bridgett wrote:

>
> Actually, mine are a bit muddy right now can you pop round and carry out
> your threat this morning please #8o)
>
> (Original message left in for others to see the whole story and to 
> cause my
> tires to be pissed on by Hurricane Mitch!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of The Stockdales
> Sent: 01 October 2001 03:13
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] Replying to posts
>
>
>
> The next one of you that replies to one of Marin or Teri-Ann's posts 
> without
> deleting most of the message is going to get your tires pissed on as 
> soon as
> I catch you.  I get the list in digest mode, look at all the extra crap 
> you
> are adding to my miserable life.  Its not bad enough that some people 
> cant
> figure out plain text vs html, but there are some of you who cant block
> delete a hundred and fifty lines of redundant message.  Dammit you 
> folks can
> figure out zenith carbs, yet you cant figure out simple e-mails.
>
>    PLEASE THROW OUT THE TRASH!!  Yes I am screaming.
>
> Hurricane Mitch
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Message: 2
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 06:52:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
From: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When mine came off the truck it took myself and two other techs.  Two
days later when we moved it into the shop it took my wife and myself. (
Yes, my wife is a force to be reckoned with.  No I wouldn't  trade her
for any two techs.)  I would get at least two other persons as shipping
weight was 450-475 pounds and friends who are comfortable picking up 250
pounds are few and far between.

Chris
> 
> As a related note - how much does a bare frame weigh? ie, how many 
> people 
> do I have to dupe into assisting me?
> 
> Keith
> ------------
> Keith's page de home:
>     http://keith.miata.net

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Message: 3
Subject: Re: [lro] The soul of a Land Rover (was fixing up a Land Rover)
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 01 Oct 2001 12:35:43 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 2001-09-28 at 16:52, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>On a related note, where does the "soul" of a Land Rover reside?
The "Grannie's Broom" question:

She's changed the head 6 times and the shaft twice, but it's still the
best broom sh ever bought!

-- 
--==++
Ian Stuart: Edinburgh University Data Library.
I build things: computer programs (with code); or cars (with metal)

 Personal web site: http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ 
Important Question: What if there were no hypothetical questions?

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Message: 4
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:22:06 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

adam

<John, what year range rovers are you referring to? as far as i knew, all 
factory differentials, aside from those used in military defenders, were 2 
pin.  this was one of the main reasons why a differential such as the Detroit 
Locker or ARB Air Locker was so much stronger than stock: it was a 4 pin 
diff.>

    LR did offer a factory 4 pin diff as an option. They are extremely rare 
as they were ungodly expensive. They were fitted primarily to rigs that were 
ordered for expedition work and some military applications.
    The later 4.0/4.6 Range Rovers also have a 4 pinion rear differential as 
standard. Unfortunately this diff is a BMV design and not interchangable with 
Rover style diffs.

Regards
Bill
GBR

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 06:27:07 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

2 can move one, but it gets heavy fast.

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> >I guess I'll just have to cut them out
> >or use the air chisel if I can get the frame up to the garage.
> 
> As a related note - how much does a bare frame weigh? ie, how many people
> do I have to dupe into assisting me?
> 
> Keith
> ------------
> Keith's page de home:
>     http://keith.miata.net
> ------------
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 07:29:52 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Swapping front and rear differentials
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Either John Stiller did this, or I did, I don't remember who took the 
front diff. But anyway, it seemed to work perfectly fine. Of course 
since you are taking the rear out, wou might as well set the ring gear
backlash since it is probably excessive, and the source of the noise.
I need to do it to mine also since getting muddy grit inside my diff
changed all the clearances. Mine whines at 30 also.

Tim Czajka wrote:
> 
> The rear differential in my Series howls at around
> 30 mph - but the front works fine.  I would like to
> swap the differentials so the good differential is
> in back.  Will this damage the good differential
> by screwing up the wear patterns etc?  I remember
> a discussion about this a while back but can't
> recall what was the conclusion.

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:31:19 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Mole grips
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Zack <[email-masked]> wrote:

>molegrips=vise-grips, just somewhere else.

Like under the wing....

My good set of medium-sized, needle-nosed vise grips went 'walkabout' a
while back.  Last weekend, whilst bleeding the clutch, I found 'em.  Still
firmly attached to an inner wing nut, three weeks and 450 miles (including
a dozen or so in low-range rock crawling) after they were last used....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
	*------------------------------------------------------*

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Message: 8
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:07:04 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Swapping front and rear differentials
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jim Hall wrote:
>Either John Stiller did this, or I did, I don't remember who took the front 
>diff. But anyway, it seemed to work perfectly fine.
>
Good - I need to get this thing back on the road
before the weather turns.

I will also look into setting the ring gear backlash
on the bum diff.  A visual inspection found no metal
chips or obvious wear - so maybe an adjustment would
help quite the howling.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:38:35 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Traumatic news
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Having a hard time writing this....

Last Saturday afternoon, Stuart Moore, president of ROAV, was severly
injured clearing trail at the MAR site in Buckingham County.  Work was over
for the day and Stuart was driving the bush-hog tractor back off the island
when he was hit in the head by a falling tree limb.  He had to be
med-evaced by helicopter to the UVa hospital in Charlottesville where he
remains in critical condition in the ICU.  Your thoughts and prayers for
his survival are needed.

These details are second hand, but it appears that an unseen limb or tree,
deposited by a flood years before, were dislodged by the vibrations of the
tractor passing nearby.  Though knocked unconscious, Stuart kept his foot
on the clutch which prevented the tractor from moving, as the blades of the
bush-hog were still in gear.  Mike McCaig was nearby and stopped the
tractor.  The local rescue squad was called and promptly arrived, and the
Pegasus helicopter from UVa was summoned.  Louise Adamson, ROAV's
secreatry, remains by his side in Charlotesville.

The MAR will still be held, but now more than ever we need your assistance.
 First, with your thoughts and prayers for Stuart's recovery.  Secondly,
for volunteers to help with registration and whatnot at rally control, as
we have lost our two key personnel. 

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
	*------------------------------------------------------*

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Message: 10
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:51:10 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> >I guess I'll just have to cut them out
> >or use the air chisel if I can get the frame up to the garage.
>
> As a related note - how much does a bare frame weigh? ie, how many people
> do I have to dupe into assisting me?
>
> Keith

I have been told it's in the 500lb range.  After I stripped mine bare, I was
able to move it around the garage and put it in and out of the driveway by
myself by just dragging it.  I was able to pick up one side and flip it
over, or pick up one end a couple of feet and then stick  it on a jack
stacd.  After a week I got very tired of this so went to the hardware dtore
and bought some 3" casters.  I then made up a 4'x3' square frame from some
old 2x4's and put a caster at each corner.  I then tiped the frame up and
put the roller under the center section of the frame.
The new frame is so heavy that I could just barely pick up one end of it a
few inches.  Had to build myself a gantry inside the garage.  Basically 2
upside down U's about 8 feet apart, sitting on heavyduty casters.  A
come-along at each U and I could pick up the frame, rollit over, etc.  Also
came in hand putting the engine/tranny/xfer into the new beast.

Pete

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Message: 11
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:56:02 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Quick Fix for Swivel Ball Leak. . .
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How easy is the "quick fix" (cutting the seal) for a leaking swivel ball? The 
ball itself is clean and not pitted so anything to save time would be nice. 
The process seems very strait forward; anything to look out for?
My concern is being able to bend the seal flat enough to seal after it has 
gone over the drive shaft.
What about rotating the existing seal 180 degrees from where it sits now? 
Seem that might be only delaying the inevitable.
Thanks
Scott Just
Rochester, MI. 
68 '109 reg.

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:01:57 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tell you what, I will take my scales to the frame and weigh it right now
and get a fairly accurate weight. Will report right back.

Hope Peter wrote:
>
> > As a related note - how much does a bare frame weigh? ie, how many people
> > do I have to dupe into assisting me?
> >
> > Keith
> 
> I have been told it's in the 500lb range. 
-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:05:24 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Traumatic news
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I hope Stuart makes a full recovery. This sucks.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 14
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Mostly Metro'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:05:43 -0400 
Subject: [lro] MAR UPDATE...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

LROs,

ROAV has been working feverishly for the past several months planning this
weekend's Mid Atlantic Rally, and I wanted to provide LROs in close
proximity with the following update...

The 9th annual MAR's Theme is "African Adventure".
Several new trails have been cut, two of which drop into and cross the James
R. onto Gregory Island, one is rated "Winches Only!" (...come and see if you
and your LR can handle that one...)
All trails will be clearly marked and graded/rated as to difficulty.
All trails have been mapped with GPS coordinates.  Map will be in the
attendee packet.
Food and Entertainment...
Hickory Notch Grill will again cater our Sat. dinner and Sunday brunch.
Longwood College will provide an exhibition of African dances with a troop
of 17 dancers.
After dinner band (tbd) will provide entertainment until late Sat. night.
A petting zoo will be on site Saturday, and other events are scheduled for
the kids.
Maymont of Richmond will bring a "falconry exhibit" consisting of several
birds of prey.
A chainsaw artist will be on-site creating and selling his works of art.
A professional videographer will be filming a MAR video, available to all.
A profesional photographer will be roaming the event, taking pictures that
will be available digitally on CD-ROM or as finished prints.
Frank Elson, long famed LR columnist for Land Rover Monthly will be
providing literary coverage at our rally...meet and speak with Frank all
weekend long.

Weather...is forecast as a chance of showers on Thursday (...yeah, some
mud!!!) and clear, cool and dry all weekend!

Check out all the details at:  www.roav.org

Now the sad news...Many of you know Stuart Moore, our ROAV President.  As
you may have just read in Sandy Grices's message, Stuart has suffered
serious injury in an accident, and will not be able to attend the MAR.  He
is currently in ICU at UVa Medical Center in Charlottesville, with Louise
Adamson (ROAV Secretary) at his side.  His prognosis is good, but keep him
in your thoughts and prayers.  He and Louise do not want his misfortune to
in any way dampen any LRO's enjoyment of the MAR, and the MAR will go on as
scheduled.  If you wish to send a card or get well wish, direct your e-mail
to "[email-masked]" and I will provide an address later where you can send
them.

ROAV has lost two officers and two very key MAR individuals at this late
date.  We need LRO assistance.  For instance, we need someone to go by LRNA
to pick up some donated prize goods (winch, roof rack, etc.) and bring them
to the MAR.  We need RTV marshalls.  We need medical personnel.  (If you are
an EMT, physician, nurse or other medical professional, please identify
yourself at rally check-in.)

If you can volunteer or help in some way, even for an hour, or a few hours
while at the rally, let us know by replying to "[email-masked]", or
identify your wish to help at registration check-in.

Thanks, for those of you that will attend, see you at the MAR!  To the rest
of you, thanks for reading this.  To all of you, remember our injured and
fallen LRO, Stuart, in you thoughts and prayers!!!

Regards,

John Tackley, Member
ROAV Board of Directors

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:05:36 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Traumatic news
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My sympathy and prayers go out to him. It is never good to hear of some
one getting hurt, let alone a fellow rover owner. Some year, I hope to
make it out to at least one of the eastern rallys so that I can meet all
of you.

A. P. (Sandy) Grice wrote:
> 
> Having a hard time writing this....
> 
> Last Saturday afternoon, Stuart Moore, president of ROAV, was severly
> injured clearing trail at the MAR site in Buckingham County. 
-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:10:53 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Quick Fix for Swivel Ball Leak. . .
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Easy.  Bend the seal and slip it over the axle.  Bend it back and she stays put with the little spring thingy.  Make sure to stagger the cuts on the oil seal and the oil seal retaining bracket so the cuts are not lined up.  

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 10/01/01 11:56AM >>>

How easy is the "quick fix" (cutting the seal) for a leaking swivel ball? The 
ball itself is clean and not pitted so anything to save time would be nice. 
The process seems very strait forward; anything to look out for?
My concern is being able to bend the seal flat enough to seal after it has 
gone over the drive shaft.
What about rotating the existing seal 180 degrees from where it sits now? 
Seem that might be only delaying the inevitable.
Thanks
Scott Just
Rochester, MI. 
68 '109 reg.
_______________________________________________
LRO mailing list
[email-masked] 
http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:13:19 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am getting 300 lbs, probably +- 20 or so. I find this believeable as
I can see myself lifting and carrying 150 lbs, but not 250. This an 88"
frame btw, circa 1971 I believe.

Hope Peter wrote:
> 
> > >I guess I'll just have to cut them out
> > >or use the air chisel if I can get the frame up to the garage.
> >
> > As a related note - how much does a bare frame weigh? ie, how many people
> > do I have to dupe into assisting me?
> >
> > Keith
> 
> I have been told it's in the 500lb range.  After I stripped mine bare, I was
> able to move it around the garage and put it in and out of the driveway by
> myself by just dragging it.  I was able to pick up one side and flip it
> over, or pick up one end a couple of feet and then stick  it on a jack
> stacd.  After a week I got very tired of this so went to the hardware dtore
> and bought some 3" casters.  I then made up a 4'x3' square frame from some
> old 2x4's and put a caster at each corner.  I then tiped the frame up and
> put the roller under the center section of the frame.
> The new frame is so heavy that I could just barely pick up one end of it a
> few inches.  Had to build myself a gantry inside the garage.  Basically 2
> upside down U's about 8 feet apart, sitting on heavyduty casters.  A
> come-along at each U and I could pick up the frame, rollit over, etc.  Also
> came in hand putting the engine/tranny/xfer into the new beast.
> 
> Pete
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 18
Date: 01 Oct 2001 11:32:16 -0500
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] problem with new clutch master...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello, 
can some one recall who had the problem with their clutch pedal
becoming rock hard and not depressable after bleeding their new
clutch hydraulics? I have the same problem...first push down on the
pedal is fine (however, looks like the release lever takes forever 
to move back from it's starting position, but that's another problem)
but on the second push...no go...pedal is solid at the top like a brake
pedal...
thanks
George Kase

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Message: 19
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:38:06 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I am getting 300 lbs, probably +- 20 or so. I find this believeable as
> I can see myself lifting and carrying 150 lbs, but not 250. This an 88"
> frame btw, circa 1971 I believe.
>

I find this more believable as well, but there goes the ole ego ;-)

Also means mine is much heavier over stock then I believed.  I have approx
750lbs in my frame.  Thinking stock was 500 I didn't think 250 was all that
big a deal, that's not much over my wieght.  But a 450 lb difference, that
is a big deal.
They didn't weigh it like I thought they would before sticking it on the
boat, so will have to find some scales in Seattle and find out just how much
the 88 is now.
Pete

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:42:17 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, at least with that much metal, it should be the last frame you
will ever need ;')

Hope Peter wrote:

> I find this more believable as well, but there goes the ole ego ;-)
> 
> Also means mine is much heavier over stock then I believed.  I have approx
> 750lbs in my frame.  Thinking stock was 500 I didn't think 250 was all that
> big a deal, that's not much over my wieght.  But a 450 lb difference, that
> is a big deal.

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 21
Date: 1 Oct 2001 10:33:23 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 01 October 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:
 
>  But a 450 lb difference, that
> is a big deal.

Should help you to the bottom of the mud a bit faster :)

Bryan

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Message: 22
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:59:36 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> >  But a 450 lb difference, that
> > is a big deal.
> 
> Should help you to the bottom of the mud a bit faster :)
> 
> Bryan

And helps to justify a new engine :-)
Pete

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Message: 23
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:06:50 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

molegrips are vicegrips (vise?)
Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:02:36 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I suspect Basil's current Sport Frame (made of lightweight thinwall steel) 
weighs about 120 lbs :)

At 10:42 10/1/01, you wrote:

>Well, at least with that much metal, it should be the last frame you
>will ever need ;')
>
>Hope Peter wrote:
>
> > I find this more believable as well, but there goes the ole ego ;-)
> >
> > Also means mine is much heavier over stock then I believed.  I have approx
> > 750lbs in my frame.  Thinking stock was 500 I didn't think 250 was all that
> > big a deal, that's not much over my wieght.  But a 450 lb difference, that
> > is a big deal.
>
>--
>Jim Hall
>1966 88" Elephant Chaser
>http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
>"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
>with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Message: 25
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:31:37 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 10/1/01 8:25:05 AM, [email-masked] writes:

>The later 4.0/4.6 Range Rovers also have a 4 pinion rear differential as
>
>standard. Unfortunately this diff is a BMV design and not interchangable
>with 
>Rover style diffs.

Yeah... i didnt think that John was referring to that though.  Bill, just as 
an unrelated question, how string are the axles in the new range rovers/disco 
IIs?

adam

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Message: 26
From: "Martin Rothman" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:47:41 -0400
Subject: [lro] Sunk Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

G'day all,

Last weekend I managed to pretty much sink the front of my 80".  I 
immediately stopped the engine and within a minute or two had her pulled 
back out of the water.  She started right up and I drove her home, and into 
the garage for the week.

This weekend I started her up and let her warm up for 5 minutes.  I started 
hearing some noices so I popped the bonnet. My generator was loose.  No 
problem.  Stopped the engine and tighten her up.  Might as well check the 
oil while I am there..... Sludge!  Obviously I sucked in some water and it 
emulsified with the oil.

I have now changed the oil & filter twice, with a few minutes idling in 
between.  The second time I also put in some engine flush stuff.  Then I 
pulled the aluminum rocker box (it's a 2L F-head engine) and it was still 
full of crud, now cleaned out.

My question is, how do I ensure that I have all the crud out of the 
inaccessable part of the engine?  Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

Regards,

Martin Rothman

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Message: 27
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:01:46 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter Hope wrote:
>I have approx 750lbs in my frame.  Thinking stock was 500 I didn't think 
>250 was all that big a deal, that's not much over my wieght.  But a 450 lb 
>difference, that
>is a big deal.
>
Hey Pete - didn't you end up using something like 3/16th
inch thick rectangular tubing for your frame?  I just went
outside and measured my stock frame thickness in the area
where I have the front frame horns open.  The thickness is
a hair over 1/16th of an inch.  That would go a long way
towards explaining the added weight of your frame.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:04:56 +0200
From: Hermen <[email-masked]>
To: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] coiler gear ratios
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn> Does anyone know of a web page that provides gear ratio charts for manual
TeriAnn> coiler gearboxes and transfer case?

TeriAnn> I'm wondering how they compare to my ratios.

Could this be what you're looking for?

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/7501/gears.html

found it in the collection of links on

http://landrover.pagina.nl/

Hermen

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Message: 29
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:17:11 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Zack writes: >>>A vise is something that grips.
> A vice is a, well, sin.<<<

here we go again
we write Vice as in Ice... you write Vise as in ??? Wise?

Best Cheers

Frank
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:58:00 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Organization: Coastal Data Systems
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

 > Well, I've had some experience with American horsepower, and I'm sure
 > not impressed.  The absolute crappiest engine I've ever dealt with is the
 > 300 cu. in. six in my Ford F-250.  It split it's block wide open in No. 3
 >  cylinder at 52,000 miles.  It's been through two exhaust manifolds.  The
 > "automatic" choke was a joke from day one, the thing leaks oil from the
 > joints FAR worse
 > than either of my Rover engines, it gets atrocious mileage, it's been
 > through several
 > water pumps.  For an engine that supposedly has a great reputation, 
mine and
 > the
 > ones that have been in friends' pickups and vans have been nothing but
 > trouble.

Odd, mine is in a '94 150 supercab 4x4 with manual. The gas milage is
about the same as the Series II, but I can keep up with traffic on the
highway. No engine repairs in 95,000. I do need to pull the injectors
and clean them. No oil leaks anywhere, while the 6 in my wife's Explorer
is leaking more than the Land Rover. 'Course, it has 200,000 miles.

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Message: 31
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 00:27:03 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tim, aren't the 258 and the 4.0 related if not the same basic block? I had 
assumed they were. I know some of the early (I assume) YJs said 4.2 on them, 
then things went back down to 4.0. Whoa! Hold the phone! LR went from a 4.2 
(LWB) to a 4.0. Ooooo, spookey ;-)

Anyway, I always thought they were all the same basic idea but I really 
don't know. John Cranfield, where are you? Any way you slice it, they are 
nice engines.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 32
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:35:09 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover)
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The 4.0s are a better, more reliabel, higher performance engine than the 4.2. 
 the 4.2 was an old generation engine, and it was upgraded basically along 
the same lines as when LR went from the 3.9 to the 4.0... stiffer block, etc

adam

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Message: 33
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Traumatic news
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 00:36:34 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That is terrible news Sandy. I hope he has a quick and complete recovery. I 
wish there was something I could do from up here. Don't know what else to 
say.

Best wishes.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 34
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] whitworth sized hardware
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:40:06 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anyone know of a source where I can find Whitworth sized hardware?
Online or other?

Thanks,

Rich
'60 SII 109sw

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Message: 35
Subject: Re: [lro] whitworth sized hardware
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 01 18:12:18 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Does anyone know of a source where I can find Whitworth sized hardware?
>Online or other?

If it is for your Land Rover British Pacific carries a lot of those 
"special" size bolts & nuts.   Just ask for it by it's use.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:00:45 -0500
From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Mole grips
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Actually, mole grips are very different from vice grips. They are a
SST (Special Service Tool) that come standard with Jeeps.

As Jeeps became less capable, Chrysler realized that something needed
to be done to enhance off-road performance. After a series of
failures, they hit upon a workable solution. Jeeps now come equipped
with mole cages. When the Jeep gets stuck, the moles are released to
undermine the obstacle. 

It is a very simple method, but there is one complication. After
bouncing around in a cage on a rough trail, the moles tend to get
pretty pissed off. The usually placid moles will tear your hand right
off your wrist if you reach in for them. Hence, the mole grips. 

This has been a public service announcement for the terminally obtuse.

Andy Litkowiak

"A. P. (Sandy) Grice" wrote:
> 
> Zack <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> >molegrips=vise-grips, just somewhere else.
> 
> Like under the wing....
> 
> My good set of medium-sized, needle-nosed vise grips went 'walkabout' a
> while back.  Last weekend, whilst bleeding the clutch, I found 'em.  Still
> firmly attached to an inner wing nut, three weeks and 450 miles (including
> a dozen or so in low-range rock crawling) after they were last used....
> 
> Cheers
> 
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:08:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] whitworth sized hardware
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've been successful going to these guys in LA:

John Cameron Supply, Inc
11500 Washington Blvd
Los Angeles  CA  90066
310-390-9035

They do a lot of industrial supplies as well.

Jeff

on 10/1/01 6:12 PM, TeriAnn Wakeman at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
>> Does anyone know of a source where I can find Whitworth sized hardware?
>> Online or other?
> 
> If it is for your Land Rover British Pacific carries a lot of those
> "special" size bolts & nuts.   Just ask for it by it's use.
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
> 
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
> 
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
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Message: 38
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:28:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] whitworth sized hardware
From: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Two places worth calling/checking on the internet:
 
British Metrics  http://www.britishmetrics.com/
 
Maryland Metrics  http://mdmetric.com/
 
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:40:06 -0700 "Rich & Lori Williams"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> Does anyone know of a source where I can find Whitworth sized 
> hardware?
> Online or other?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rich
> '60 SII 109sw
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Message: 39
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:46:11 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] problem with new clutch master...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You either need to put some play, 1/16", in the rod going into the 
master, or you need to replace the flex line. If there is no play in the
rod, the return port never opens up. If the flex line is bad, it can act 
like a 1 way valve.

george kase wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> can some one recall who had the problem with their clutch pedal
> becoming rock hard and not depressable after bleeding their new
> clutch hydraulics? I have the same problem...first push down on the
> pedal is fine (however, looks like the release lever takes forever
> to move back from it's starting position, but that's another problem)
> but on the second push...no go...pedal is solid at the top like a brake
> pedal...

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 40
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:01:44 +0900
To: [email-masked]
From: Steve Reddock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Help cure cancer
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry if this has done the rounds before, I'm mainly on the UK list and 
wouldn't have noticed.

You've probably heard of the seti @ home system where you run a program as 
a screen saver to search for little green men. There is a similar scheme 
being run by the university of Oxford to match proteins to cancer cells.

I have set up a team for UK-LRO. We currently have 20 members and are 
ranked 1038 out of 17940 of teams. The Subaru Impreza owners club are 
beating us significantly :-(

To join the team click here:
http://members.ud.com/services/teams/team.htm?id=0954C149-0301-42A0-920D-45F70191908D

You will need to download the agent and install it.

The guys from ibrokeit.net are romping ahead with 1387 results returned! 
Due to the generosity of my wife's work I've now got 1.4GHz of AMDs finest 
on the case and I'm catching slowly.

Thanks, Steve

FAQ:

1: How does it communicate?

When a job is complete is connects over http  & https with the server to 
upload & get a new job.

2: What if I'm offline?

It will wait until you are online before connecting. If you have autodial 
enabled it will dial as required.

3: How much CPU does it use?

You can set it to run in the background or only as a screensaver. If it's 
in the background it runs as idle priority so all other apps will take over 
the CPU if needed. The CPU will be 100%, but it doesn't normally slow 
things down. You can snooze it if you find problems. or even exit for this 
logon session.

4: How do I know it isn't abusing my CPU for illegal purposes?

You don't :-(  All you can do it trust them. It was written/created by the 
people who made seti @ home so they have a good reputation.

5: It's sponsored by Intel & United Devices. Aren't they going to make a 
fortune from this?

No. The results will be owned by the university of Oxford. United Devices 
is a distributed computing company who plan to use the technology for 
profitable research in the future (researching other topics). Without a 
doubt, whoever finds the cure for cancer (i.e the University of Oxford in 
this case) will be exceptionally wealthy I think the benefits of curing 
cancer will benefit society by so much I don't care.

6: Is there an official FAQ?

http://members.ud.com/vypc/cancer/faq_chem.htm

7: How long does it take to run each cycle?

My 266 takes nearly 30 hours, my 1.4 GHz Athalon takes about 2 hours. It 
depends on the modules as well, some are really slow. Also depends how much 
of the CPU is available to the app.

8: I notice there is a rewards system in place. I get low scores as my PC 
is not state of the art. What can I do?

Boost the storage allocated in your device profile to the max. It won't use 
it but if you promise 10GB you get a higher device score.

9: Will I get into trouble running this at work?

Maybe. The traffic it sends is low volume and over common ports (it's 
normal web traffic) so you shouldn't stand out. But some companies don't 
like non-approved software being run. To be safe, check.

10: Does it run on my Mac/Linux/Solaris/Mainframe?

Not at the moment. Only Windows for now. Other agents have been promised. 

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Message: 41
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:12:07 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Adam wrote:
>The 4.0s are a better, more reliabel, higher performance engine than the 
>4.2.  the 4.2 was an old generation engine, and it was upgraded basically 
>along the same lines as when LR went from the 3.9 to the 4.0... stiffer 
>block, etc
>
It depends what you mean by better.  The 4.0L had slightly
more peak torque than the 258.  But the 258 peak torque came
in around 1800 rpm, while on the 4.0L it came in much higher
at around 4000 rpm.  The 4.0L certainly had more horsepower,
although it also came in at higher rpms.  As for reliability
- I guess fuel injection has it's good and bad points.  When
computer controls are working properly they can do some really
neat things with engine management.  But when they are not
working you are often dead in the water.

Also the 4.0L was not just an upgrade of the 258 as many
people believe.  It was actually based on the design of the
2.5 I4 engine - mostly the cylinder head.  Although there
are enough similarities with the 258 that a 4.0L FI cylinder
head can be swapped onto a 258 block with a bit of work.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 42
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:31:42 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Jeep engines(was:Fixing up a Land Rover)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Niall Forbes wrote:
>Tim, aren't the 258 and the 4.0 related if not the same basic block?
>
There is some discussion about that in the Jeep crowd.  The
4.0L cylinder head was based on the 2.5L I4 engine - not the
258 cylinder head.  But I doubt Jeep threw away everything
from the 258.  A 4.0L head will mate to a 258 lower block
with some work - so there is a relation there.  Anyway
they are both inline sixes and one succeded the other so I
consider them of the same line.  There are advantages and
disadvantages to both depending on what you want out of
an engine.

Introduction depended on the vehicle - Cherokees got them
sooner than the Wranglers.  So I guess there were Wranglers
in the late 80's still with 258's.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 43
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:21:39 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Mysterious elec. problem
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi.

When i start my sIII petrol in the morning, everything works, except the starter
is a little dull (lack of current). But it fires up and runs fine.
The indicators works fine as well and so does everything else.
After a while the charge bulb lights up and the indicators no longer works.
Lights still work.
After the engine is stopped, the indicators still doesn't work, but alle other
lights does.

Next morning the process repeates itsef.

Does anyone have a clue to this very strange behaviour?

Thanks in adv.

sv/aurens

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