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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Photo of mystery diff. (John Cranfield)
   2. The joys of traveling (Luca Ingianni)
   3. Re: Brake Adjustors.... (N Forbes)
   4. Re: The joys of traveling (N Forbes)
   5. Re: Block heaters (d.h.lowe)
   6. Re: Brake Adjustors.... (d.h.lowe)
   7. Re: halfshaft bearing in swivel ball (TeriAnn Wakeman)
   8. Re: Brake Adjustors.... (TeriAnn Wakeman)
   9. Re: The joys of traveling (Bryan Hoult)
  10. long posts (Bob & Sue Bernard)
  11. RE: long posts (Carl Kinkade)
  12. Re: Photo of mystery diff. ([email-masked])
  13. Re: halfshaft bearing in swivel ball (Rich & Lori Williams)
  14. Re: Brake Adjustors.... ([email-masked])
  15. Re: The joys of traveling (Rich & Lori Williams)
  16. Re: The joys of traveling ([email-masked])
  17. Re: The joys of traveling (Russ Wilson)
  18. Re: The joys of traveling (Mark Pilkington)
  19. Re: The joys of traveling (Rich & Lori Williams)
  20. Re: halfshaft bearing in swivel ball (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  21. coiler gear ratios (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  22. Re: The joys of traveling ([email-masked])
  23. Re: The joys of traveling ([email-masked])
  24. Re: The joys of traveling ([email-masked])
  25. Re: The joys of traveling ([email-masked])
  26. Re: Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Scott Wickham)
  27. Re: Photo of mystery diff. ([email-masked])
  28. Re: Photo of mystery diff. (Keith Tanner)
  29. Re: Photo of mystery diff. (John Cranfield)
  30. Re: Photo of mystery diff. ([email-masked])
  31. Re: Photo of mystery diff. (John Cranfield)
  32. Re: WOW, soul of the Land Rover! (Scott Wickham)
  33. Replying to posts (The Stockdales)
  34. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Rich & Lori Williams)
  35. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Jim Hall)
  36. 2.25 flywheel for sale... (Andre Shoumatoff)
  37. Re: Another sucessful relay removal (Keith Tanner)
  38. Re: Replying to posts (Peter Ogilvie)
  39. Bikini time! (Keith Tanner)
  40. RE: Replying to posts (John Bridgett)
  41. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Tim Czajka)
  42. Swapping front and rear differentials (Tim Czajka)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 06:38:21 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a suspicion that this is a 4 pin diff (but I could be mistaken
[never actually wrong])  as in the later Range Rover with a pair of the
spider gears siezed to the pin. The discolouration looks like the pin
has been turning in the carrier.
John and Muddy

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> http://keith.miata.net/landy/images/diff_old.jpg
> 
> Can anyone identify? From what I've read of the Detroit lockers, they're
> normally locked and only unlock when there's a rotational difference. So if
> this IS a Detroit, there's a chance that it's decided to stick in the
> locked position. The discolouration visible in the photo is present on the
> opposite side of the diff as well, and could be a leftover from assembly or
> a clue to the problem...
> 
> keith
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Message: 2
From: Luca Ingianni <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:01:24 +0200
Subject: [lro] The joys of traveling
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all,

I'm back from my trip and I thought I'd tell you some of the unavoidable 
rover mishaps I encountered so you can laugh about it too.
The trip promised to be "interesting" anyway as going around much of 
western Europe without *any* experience in fixing cars, nearly no spares, 
not really the proper tools and a 29 year old car will probably get one 
into trouble anyway. And so it happend.
We went from east Germany to the Netherlands and through Belgium into 
France, where a stone smashed the driver's side windscreen. It's fun to 
drive with no windscreen (only sunglasses) with rain clouds looming 
overhead. And sleeping in the truck. In the next town while I was 
busy vacuuming out the glass at the coin vacuum cleaner in front of a 
workshop two very doubtful-looking people walked up to me and asked me if 
I needed help. They waved about with a piece of perspex and I thought this 
couldn't work. But one held it up to my windscreen - and it fitted. It 
turned out that he was the owner of the shop and the piece of perspex came 
from his own LR. I got it (and a second one) for free. It has worked for 
several thousand km now, held in place with folded pieces of cardboard. 
It's not a good solution but it allowed me to go on without delay and now 
at home I can go shopping for a new glass one.
We drove more or less along the Atlantic coast all the way to Brittanny 
when one morning the truck wouldn't start. Somewhere in the middle of the 
fields (we slept in the car). The reason for that was obvious even to me: 
no clouds of smoke out the exhaust so it simply got no diesel. So I 
proceeded to try and find blocked lines or such and it finally seemed as 
if the transport pump didn't work. So I took it off to try and have a look 
inside, but once I had it off I decided to give it another try - and it 
started working again. This was very confusing. I'm quite sure it wasn't 
just that the engine was in the wrong position but maybe it really was 
just me being stupid. Anyway I put it back on (it was late afternoon by 
then) and it still worked. But while reinstalling it I ripped off the 
hollow bolt that holds the fuel line that goes on to the filter. No, don't 
laugh - I looked at it and thought "this looks weak, I have to be careful" 
but I broke it anyway. And all cars in France use another diameter as I 
quickly found out. Great. The next morning, Friday, I phoned my parts guy 
in Germany and he said he had that bolt and could mail it - if it didn't 
arrive Saturday it would arrive Monday. It arrived Thursday. And was the 
wrong size. Fortunately I found one in France the next day with the help 
of my "neighbors" who were incredibly helpful and hospitable.
Then things went relatively smooth for a while until one morning in the 
Pyrenees the alternator decided not to charge anymore. My attempts at 
finding obvious faults didn't produce anything. So off to the shop, where 
they found that my stator insulation was bad. Apparently the "old" 
alternator (15 months old) wasn't assembled properly so the rear bearing 
was floating freely. The front beaing had to take up all the pull from the 
belt and began to run off-center until the rotor scraped at the stator and 
messed up the insulation. No replacement stators available so I got a new 
alternator which luckily arrived the next morning. We spent the night at 
the workshop's car park. Next to a train track.
Two days later my clutch hydraulics packed in. Now some of you may 
remember that I asked about my clutch before I left and general poinion 
was that it was on the way out but it was already that short before we 
left that I didn't do anything about it and just hoped it would hold 
together. Apparently it didn't. But at least I had already bought 
replacement seals. Now the problem was taking the bugger off. Usually I 
can get away with using metric tools or crescent wrenches, but not this 
time. I couldn't get the hydraulics line off. No way. All day I had seen 
off-road cars and buggys driving about and when some LRs came I waved them 
over and asked for help. They told me there was a rallye on (the rallye 
des cimes) and further down the road there was a camp ground full of 
british rallye drivers and they'd have all the tools in the world. So I 
drove there without clutch and with the help of their tools had the slave 
cylinder fixed in 15min. But then I couldn't get the hydraulics pipe back 
*on*. I tried for a whole afternoon. Now my theory is that a PO messed up 
the threads as the bleed nipple was equally hard to get off. I finally 
succeeded four days later wit the help of much brutality and a pair of 
molegrips. Only to find out the problem was the master.
Fixing the master luckily only took me about one day and now my clutch is 
happy again.
The only other things that broke were the kilometer counter (so I can only 
give you an estimate of how much we've driven - probably about 7000km but 
I'll have to calculate it again) and the windscreen wipers (at night, in 
pouring rain) 20 km from home.
For most of you my problems probably weren't much but as this is my first 
car and I have no experience with car repairs I'm actually quite glad I 
was able to fix everything myself (with a few hints by others and 
sometimes breaking more than I repaired, but still).
Maybe this makes for a good read at least.

have fun,
	Luca (who is off to buy proper tools - long list)

- -- 
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suitable application of high explosives.

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Message: 3
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:03:30 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>available adjustment smaller. I'm waiting for somebody to build >bigger 
>snails, so we can use the drums longer. If you grind new

Zack, I just machined some really thick (1/4" ?) washers on a lathe and I've 
fitted these over the pins on the brake shoes. Much easier than making new 
snail cams. Seems to have worked although I still have almost no adjustment 
with new shoes. Time for new drums?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 4
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:11:15 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hey Luca, great story. After fixing all that, your truck is probably in tip 
top shape. You should take it on a trip now ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:46:30 -0400
From: "d.h.lowe" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Block heaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Michael,  The screw in heater type is made by Temro Company out of Winterpeg. I
have the number somwhere, but since I have not yet unpacked, it could take some
time to find it. Ask the geniuses at Crappy Tire to let you look through the
books. Start soaking it in penetrating oil. It is the same number as the one
specified for a Mack truck. They should be able to get you a replacement cord.
Cheers      Dave

A. P. "Sandy" Grice wrote:

> Michael Hatton <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> >As I near the end of my frameover, I decided to replace the exhaust
> >manifold while I could still get to it eas=ily. When I took the heat
> >shield off, I found what looks like a small electrical socket under the
> >manifold, towards the rear of the engine. Is this a block heater?
>
> Yup...there are several kinds, but the one you see is the best - threaded
> into the 1" NPT plug on the back of the engine.  See if you have continuity
> in the circuit...there's not really a whole lot that can go wrong with
> these.  Finding a cord might be a bit of a problem, tho'.  (It's actually a
> three wire, grounded cord.  There is a tab that gets smooshed up against
> the block by the plug that forms the ground.)  I've got a number for a 400
> watt Phillips/Budd Thermo on the office machine, so worst case is contact
> the manufacturer for a new one.
>
> Steve...was it you who had that 283 at GP??
>
> Cheers
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:53:24 -0400
From: "d.h.lowe" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Frugal, Zack, just frugal. It`s what differentiates us Land Rover types from all
others. Al Richer prefers "parsimonious old bastards".
Dave

>
>
> > > Been some time ago, and was a trivial thing.
> >
> > Maybe I shouldn't have been fooled by the looks of the job.
> >
> >
>
> Really wasn't too big, and fixes the bad part about wear making the amount of
> available adjustment smaller. I'm waiting for somebody to build bigger
> snails, so we can use the drums longer. If you grind new detents, you get
> less wear from the shoes before you're out of available adjustment. Did I say
> I was an excessively cheap bastard?
>
> Zack
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Message: 7
Subject: Re: [LRO] halfshaft bearing in swivel ball
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 01 05:51:39 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes a couple of months ago.  

Ask away

Just as a guess:

pressed onto the shaft are three items from the outside in: distance 
piece, race for half shaft bearing, retaining collar.  A new half shaft 
bearing comes with a matched race so you replace the race when replacing 
the bearing.

Unless you have a press with lots of doohickies to grab things take the 
assambly to an automotive machine shop.  For a couple of dollars  they 
can press off the assembly and press it back on with the new race.  They 
do it without leaving deep scratches and hammer marks.

I have tended to used new collars and distance pieces rather than reuse 
the old ones that are probably perfectly good.   But that is just me and 
my tendency to like new parts in places that takes work to get to.

Any other questions?

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 8
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 01 06:44:40 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>> > Been some time ago, and was a trivial thing.
>> 
>> Maybe I shouldn't have been fooled by the looks of the job.
>>
>Really wasn't too big, and fixes the bad part about wear making the amount 
>of 
>available adjustment smaller. I'm waiting for somebody to build bigger 
>snails, so we can use the drums longer. If you grind new detents, you get 
>less wear from the shoes before you're out of available adjustment. Did I 
>say I was an excessively cheap bastard?

I can forgo visual inspections as well any anyone else.   I recently 
replaced a front drum from said lack of periodic visual inspection.  So I 
can testify that deepening the snail cam detents a bit does not protect 
you from being able to score drums.

After recovering from the cost of new 109 front drums I would say the 
cheap bastard is the one who religiously does preventative maintenance 
that includes pulling drums for visual inspections.  

I'm the lazy bugger who seldom gets past checking fluid levels and 
retorquing  "U" bolt nuts.  The latter I started doing after spending a 
day at camp rebuilding a leaf spring with loose leaves and after reading 
the owners manual where it stated that the "U" bolt nuts should be 
retorqued every 12K miles.  Having a set of "U" bolts fall of the vehicle 
while out on the trail earlier hadn't convinced me that it was a lack of 
maintenance issue. I took the hint the second time & reading the owners 
manual only confirmed it.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 9
Date: 30 Sep 2001 08:03:03 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Sun, 30 September 2001, Luca Ingianni wrote:

>For most of you my problems probably >weren't much but as this is my first 
>car and I have no experience with car >repairs I'm actually quite glad I 
>was able to fix everything myself 
>(with a few hints by others and 
>sometimes breaking more than I >repaired, but still).
>Maybe this makes for a good read at >least.

It was an excellent read, and reminiscent of trips I took 20 years ago - albeit without a Land Rover.  I think you learned quite a bit, and that's what it's all about.  If you had taken some modern, more "dependable" car, you would have met half as many people at best. 

Thanks for the trip report.

Bryan

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:08:33 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bob & Sue Bernard <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] long posts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all,
The problem I have with all these long winded dissertations from C Marin 
etc, is the people who reply or argue and leave the whole copy of the 
original long winded crap. This makes for a lot of skipping or deleting.

Bob B

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Message: 11
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] long posts
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:00:41 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On the other hand, I like to look back at the original post in the same
email.  That way you don't have to save several emails to follow a
conversion.  Besides, when I open an email it opens at the top.....so I see
the latest email.  I don't have to sift through the previous email that was
replied to.  I don't know what email software you use, but mine is Outlook.

Carl

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From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
Of Bob & Sue Bernard
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 10:09 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] long posts

Hi all,
The problem I have with all these long winded dissertations from C Marin
etc, is the people who reply or argue and leave the whole copy of the
original long winded crap. This makes for a lot of skipping or deleting.

Bob B
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Message: 12
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:28:04 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/30/01 5:37:56 AM, [email-masked] writes:

>I have a suspicion that this is a 4 pin diff (but I could be mistaken
>[never actually wrong])  as in the later Range Rover with a pair of the
>spider gears siezed to the pin. The discolouration looks like the pin
>has been turning in the carrier.
>John and Muddy

its not- a range rover diff looks the same as a series diff, its still 2 pin. 
 and it doesnt look like a detroit locker either, slight variatons would have 
me believe otherwise.  however, i do think that it is the land rover factory 
auto locking diff available around this era.  a guy around here has one in 
his 67 88"

adam

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Message: 13
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [LRO] halfshaft bearing in swivel ball
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:58:00 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thank you TeriAnn "the mind reader" Wakeman.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [LRO] halfshaft bearing in swivel ball

> 
> Yes a couple of months ago.  
> 
> 
> Ask away
> 
> Just as a guess:
> 
> pressed onto the shaft are three items from the outside in: distance 
> piece, race for half shaft bearing, retaining collar.  A new half shaft 
> bearing comes with a matched race so you replace the race when replacing 
> the bearing.
> 
> Unless you have a press with lots of doohickies to grab things take the 
> assambly to an automotive machine shop.  For a couple of dollars  they 
> can press off the assembly and press it back on with the new race.  They 
> do it without leaving deep scratches and hammer marks.
> 
> I have tended to used new collars and distance pieces rather than reuse 
> the old ones that are probably perfectly good.   But that is just me and 
> my tendency to like new parts in places that takes work to get to.
> 
> 
> Any other questions?
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
> 
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   
> 
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937
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Message: 14
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:04:21 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/30/01 6:46:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

"When its not raining, the roof don't leak. When its raining, I can't fix it 
nohow.

Zack

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Message: 15
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:05:31 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> succeeded four days later wit the help of much brutality and a pair of
molegrips.

What the heck are Molegrips?

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Message: 16
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:16:18 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

molegrips=vise-grips, just somewhere else.
That  somewhere is colder, wetter and windier, er, except if you're in the 
Northwest in a kayak.

Zack

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:11:49 -0700
From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'll jump in so that you aren't left wondering......
Molegrips are small plier-like snippers.   Great little item to have in 
the tool kit.

On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 10:05 AM, Rich & Lori Williams wrote:

>
>> succeeded four days later wit the help of much brutality and a pair of
> molegrips.
>
> What the heck are Molegrips?
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:20:14 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mole grips are a kind of pipe wrench that you adjust so that it grips
something and as you squeeze it it goes overcenter and locks.  They are in
the USA, but I cannot remember what they are called over here.

Rich & Lori Williams wrote:

> > succeeded four days later wit the help of much brutality and a pair of
> molegrips.
>
> What the heck are Molegrips?
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Message: 19
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:32:42 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> molegrips=vise-grips, just somewhere else.

Of course!

> That  somewhere is colder, wetter and windier, er, except if you're in the
Northwest in a kayak.

Vise-grips ... er, molegrips in my sea kayak repair kit (aka Epic Control
Kit) too

Rich

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Message: 20
Subject: Re: [LRO] halfshaft bearing in swivel ball
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 01 11:23:50 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Thank you TeriAnn "the mind reader" Wakeman.

You are quite welcome.  I remembered that the first time I saw those bits 
on a front axle half shaft I was a bit puzzled about them & how to get 
them off & back on.  I figgured you might be too.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 01 11:27:24 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] coiler gear ratios
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I know this is off topic & appologise.

Does anyone know of a web page that provides gear ratio charts for manual 
coiler gearboxes and transfer case?

I'm wondering how they compare to my ratios.

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

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Message: 22
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:06:12 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/30/01 1:23:01 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>but I cannot remember what they are called over here.
>

ViceGrips.

adam

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Message: 23
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:57:25 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/30/01 12:09:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> ViceGrips.

Is that a solitary vice?

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Message: 24
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:05:40 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/30/01 4:02:10 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>Is that a solitary vice?

im not sure I understand your question.
adam

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Message: 25
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:12:23 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] The joys of traveling
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A vise is something that grips.
A vice is a, well, sin.
A solitary vice is a literary alternate to discussing someone alone in the 
bathroom, with old copies of Land Rover Enthusiast....

No harm intended, nor any unfair characterization.
Zack

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Message: 26
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:15:04 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  The absolute crappiest engine I've ever dealt with is the
300 cu. in. six in my Ford F-250.

  We've had good luck with 'Merican engines over the years.  My friend Eddie
has an '89 F-150 with the 300 six.  It did well over 200K and he finally had
the truck rebuilt.  This was no stock truck.  He was the mngr. of the
off-road shop we worked at and his truck was a bit of a showcase for the
shop.  So it had 9" of lift and 36" swampers on it.  And he drove it a LOT.
He still has it.
  We got a car in at the garage that is going to be scrapped for many
reasons but, this car sat for about 6 years in a yard.  Dad put a battery in
it and it fired right up, idled smoother than Mark Love's 2.25 (which is
saying something, it's a sewing machine!), and runs great.  What engine?
Mopar 225 slant 6.  It only has 42K on it but it's a 1973 car.  Body/frame
are rusted to hell.  Tranny still works good enough for us to do a few
neutral drops in the grass with it ;)  Our '77 Grand Prix has over 130K on a
Pontiac V8 and you can fire that up and she idles with 40 psi of oil
pressure.  It's all luck of the draw and maintenance I guess.  If the
engine's a turd from day one, well, sell it and move on.  Oh yea, I have a
VW GTI with 234K on it.  Still runs great.

Scooter

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Message: 27
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:21:38 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Keith
    That is not a Detroit Locker. It is a 4 pinion design and my guess is 
that its a factory limited slip. If its locking at low speeds thats not 
surprising, they were designed to unlock at high speeds and lock at low 
speeds. Problem was that axles couldn't handle the added stress and most of 
these diffs were quietly replaced when folks brought the rigs in for axle 
warrantys.

Bill
GBR

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Message: 28
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:44:54 -0400
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks, all. I'm pretty sure it changed character over my ownership of the 
truck, locking at lower speeds (or unlocking at higher, I suppose). I don't 
remember the low-speed noises, etc, existing while I was in Ottawa. I've 
had that thing on the road for about 5 months, and I can identify the first 
time I noticed the noises from the rear while on the way to CO. Never broke 
an axle, but I'm also running a set of GBRs in the back now anyhow. How can 
I verify if it's working properly?

I've put a photograph showing another side at 
http://keith.miata.net/landy/images/diff_old02.jpg . It's very cool 
looking. Heavy, too.

Keith

>Keith
>     That is not a Detroit Locker. It is a 4 pinion design and my guess is
>that its a factory limited slip. If its locking at low speeds thats not
>surprising, they were designed to unlock at high speeds and lock at low
>speeds. Problem was that axles couldn't handle the added stress and most of
>these diffs were quietly replaced when folks brought the rigs in for axle
>warrantys.
>
>Bill
>GBR

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Message: 29
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:05:16 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] wrote:

> 
> its not- a range rover diff looks the same as a series diff, its still 2 pin.
>
> adam

The early Range Rovers did use a 2 pin diff but the later ones have a 4
pin design. However the diff in question may very well not be RR in
origin but is a 4 pin type.
John and Muddy

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Message: 30
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:07:11 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

John, what year range rovers are you referring to? as far as i knew, all 
factory differentials, aside from those used in military defenders, were 2 
pin.  this was one of the main reasons why a differential such as the Detroit 
Locker or ARB Air Locker was so much stronger than stock: it was a 4 pin diff.

adam

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Message: 31
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:58:17 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm not sure when the RR diff went to the 4 pin type.
I'll bet that some others on the list will know.
John and Muddy

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> John, what year range rovers are you referring to? as far as i knew, all
> factory differentials, aside from those used in military defenders, were 2
> pin.  this was one of the main reasons why a differential such as the Detroit
> Locker or ARB Air Locker was so much stronger than stock: it was a 4 pin diff.
> 
> adam
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Message: 32
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] WOW, soul of the Land Rover!
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:09:21 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  LR's are a little like dogs.  You have the pure bred, all original LR
parts, and the mutt, some different parts.  I think the soul is in the more
original vehicle/dog.  BUT, there are some great mutts out there.  Both four
wheels and four legs.  I have a tired old pure bred, the 88".  For the most
part he's a good truck, and all LR parts, aside from the GM alt.  Not that
I'm a purest but, it just worked out that way.  The other 'dog' is a mutt
from the factory I think.  A RR with a Buick engine, Chrysler tranny, and
some British parts thrown in for the quirks/leaks.  Both fun to drive at
different times.
  If you want to build a Series truck with 33" MT's, a V8, an auto 'box,
Dana parts, and 2' of articulation, great.  I'm sure it would be a killer
trail truck.  But having the soul of a Land Rover, sorry no.  It has to have
that LR burble from the tail pipe and manual steering.  That's why it's so
fun to go to a rally, seeing very similar vehicles.  Knowing that when you
get 2/3's of the way through that creek, you'll need a shot of WD-40 to make
it the rest of the way.  Everyone will.  That tight turn up ahead will be a
3 pointer, for everyone.
  I'm sure some of you have seen the 'Rovers across North America' video.  I
love all the trucks in there except one.  The damn big blue one on the box
cover.  I'd much rather see old, paint-faded-axle-leakin'-66HP Series truck
going through the mud than that THING.  44" tires on a Series truck, what an
abomination.  Now this would be an example of  a BAD mutt.

Scott Wickham Jr.
Pgh., Pa.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
'72 SIII
'84 RR (for sale $4500)

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Message: 33
From: "The Stockdales" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:13:18 -0600
Subject: [lro] Replying to posts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The next one of you that replies to one of Marin or Teri-Ann's posts without
deleting most of the message is going to get your tires pissed on as soon as
I catch you.  I get the list in digest mode, look at all the extra crap you
are adding to my miserable life.  Its not bad enough that some people cant
figure out plain text vs html, but there are some of you who cant block
delete a hundred and fifty lines of redundant message.  Dammit you folks can
figure out zenith carbs, yet you cant figure out simple e-mails.

   PLEASE THROW OUT THE TRASH!!  Yes I am screaming.

Hurricane Mitch

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Message: 34
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:33:39 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Next the frame bushings, which I'm sure will go equally fast as I plan to
employ
> the help of the log splitter =8'0

Now that's cool - if it works.

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Message: 35
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:00:46 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No, it didn't as the frame is too unwieldy for 1 person to position.
It does work quite well for the spring bushings though, and pressing
1st gear on or off the shaft. I guess I'll just have to cut them out
or use the air chisel if I can get the frame up to the garage.

Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
> 
> > Next the frame bushings, which I'm sure will go equally fast as I plan to
> employ
> > the help of the log splitter =8'0
> 
> Now that's cool - if it works.
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Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
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Message: 36
From: "Andre Shoumatoff" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:29:39 -0400
Subject: [lro] 2.25 flywheel for sale...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have this perfectly good flywheel sitting in my garage waiting to be
installed.
I'm moving in two weeks and I'm not taking it with me. It is even resurfaced
and everything, ready for a clutch job or whatever.  $50 including shipping
in
the US.

Andre

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Message: 37
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:46:08 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I guess I'll just have to cut them out
>or use the air chisel if I can get the frame up to the garage.

As a related note - how much does a bare frame weigh? ie, how many people 
do I have to dupe into assisting me?

Keith
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Message: 38
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Replying to posts
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:59:16 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nothing pisses me off more than a post without any history and I haven't got 
the slightest idea of what they are talking about.  30 messages later I may 
come across the original but by then I've probably forgotten about the first 
message.  Marin's posts tend to be too long to edit out the uncommented on 
stuff.

The down arrow key tends to get me through the stuff I don't want.  Now if 
we could just get the commercial ads off of LRX.com so I didn't have to page 
down forever, overshoot, page up, overshoot again and finally get it on the 
third or fourth try.  Don't bother to check the list out anymore cause its 
such a pain.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "The Stockdales" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: [lro] Replying to posts
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:13:18 -0600
>
>
>The next one of you that replies to one of Marin or Teri-Ann's posts 
>without
>deleting most of the message is going to get your tires pissed on as soon 
>as
>I catch you.  I get the list in digest mode, look at all the extra crap you
>are adding to my miserable life.  Its not bad enough that some people cant
>figure out plain text vs html, but there are some of you who cant block
>delete a hundred and fifty lines of redundant message.  Dammit you folks 
>can
>figure out zenith carbs, yet you cant figure out simple e-mails.
>
>    PLEASE THROW OUT THE TRASH!!  Yes I am screaming.
>
>Hurricane Mitch
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Message: 39
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:13:03 -0400
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Bikini time!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Of all the bits available for our Rovers, I've always thought the soft tops 
were the most outrageously priced. Around $700 US for an 88" top with 
sticks. Ouch. I wanted something to keep the sun off and protect me from 
drizzle (not that it ever drizzles in Grand Junction - it's all or nothin' 
here) and obviously popping the hardtop on and off is out of the question.

So I put on a bikini top that was apparantly designed for some other 
off-road vehicle called a GP or some such. I had to build a hoop to support 
the rear as Basil has no rollbar, but that was easily accomplished with $3 
worth of electrical conduit, two large washers (for stops) and a 
compression fitting so that it could be split in two for easy storage. The 
top was around $37, the windshield header was around $12, and Basil has a 
new hat! I put some photos online of the work, found on my page at 
http://keith.miata.net/landy/colorado1.htm . Installation of the top takes 
about 3 minutes, including installing the hoop. Uninstallation is less.

I used the top designed for a 1976-ummm CJ-5 as the windshield width is the 
same as a Rover, 55". The earlier CJ-5 had a 59" wide windshield. I'm not 
sure if this might not have worked better, considering the top is intended 
to curve over the overly-designed windshield header of this American 
showboat. But for the price, I'm a happy camper. Recommended.

Keith

PS: In case you didn't know, http://keith.miata.net/landy chronicles all of 
my interactions with Basil, from inital contact to inital trips around the 
block to moving out to CO to the latest diff swap and bikini fun. Sure, 
it's excessive. But if anyone in the world understands how a vehicle can 
absorb this much work without changing visually at all, it's the denizens 
of this list.

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Message: 40
From: "John Bridgett" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Replying to posts
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 06:38:42 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Actually, mine are a bit muddy right now can you pop round and carry out
your threat this morning please #8o)

(Original message left in for others to see the whole story and to cause my
tires to be pissed on by Hurricane Mitch!)

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
Of The Stockdales
Sent: 01 October 2001 03:13
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Replying to posts

The next one of you that replies to one of Marin or Teri-Ann's posts without
deleting most of the message is going to get your tires pissed on as soon as
I catch you.  I get the list in digest mode, look at all the extra crap you
are adding to my miserable life.  Its not bad enough that some people cant
figure out plain text vs html, but there are some of you who cant block
delete a hundred and fifty lines of redundant message.  Dammit you folks can
figure out zenith carbs, yet you cant figure out simple e-mails.

   PLEASE THROW OUT THE TRASH!!  Yes I am screaming.

Hurricane Mitch
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[email-masked]
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Message: 41
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 00:34:12 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Niall Forbes wrote:
>I can't believe that with all the discussions we have about other engines 
>one this list, the straight six out of a Jeep does not get mentioned more 
>often.
>
Jeep actually used a few different inline sixes over
the years - but you are probably referring to the
258ci or the later 4.0L.  Here is some info.

The 258ci inline six started out as the 232ci when it
was introduced to the Jeep line around 1972.  After
only a few years it was punched out to 258ci.  This
engine was the staple of CJ-7s, CJ-5s, and many other
Jeep vehicles all the way up through 1986.

I have a 258ci in my 1985 CJ-7.  It is a very smooth
and nicely balanced engine, with good low end torque
for trail work.  It does not produce a lot of
horsepower though, so it is not going to set any
speed records passing on the highway.  But it
will keep up with traffic fine.  I use to flat tow
my 1965 Mustang with it and hardly new the car was
back there.

The 80's versions of the 258, like mine, succumbed
to miles of hoses and wires for an obnoxious
computer controlled carb.  That's why I am running
a Webber carb.  The 80's versions also had a crappy
plastic valve cover that always leaked - fixed by
an aftermarket aluminum cover.  Anyway I just turned
100,000 miles on my 258 last week and it is running
strong - no blue smoke etc.

The 4.0L inline six took over when the Wrangler
came out in 1987 - a dark day in history.  The
4.0L engines are all fuel injected to my knowledge.
The injection likely was an improvement because of
the carb problems I already mentioned.  There is
still a 4.0L available in the new generation
Wrangler TJ models.

So is either of these engines good for a Series
swap?  I don't think so because they are long.
I took measurements a while back to see how
my 258 would fit in my Series 88 and a lot of
surgery would be needed and there would be
rear drive shaft length issues.  Maybe a 109
could accommodate the length with some firewall
work or the 2.6 firewall.  If so there are a
number of decent trannys that can be used
with the 258.

Anyway the mention of Jeep around some Land Rover
folks is enough to cause hives:)  Which probably
explains why a lot of good Jeep parts are not
considered in modifications.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 42
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 00:54:05 -0600
Subject: [lro] Swapping front and rear differentials
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The rear differential in my Series howls at around
30 mph - but the front works fine.  I would like to
swap the differentials so the good differential is
in back.  Will this damage the good differential
by screwing up the wear patterns etc?  I remember
a discussion about this a while back but can't
recall what was the conclusion.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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