Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #105 - 29 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Now THAT'S not a normal diff.... (John Cranfield)
   2. Re: Air Conditioning in a Series (Alex Maiolo)
   3. Re: The soul of a Land Rover (was fixing up a Land Rover) (Alex Maiolo)
   4. Re: sighting in Culver City, CA (Jeff Bieler)
   5. Re: Now THAT'S not a normal diff.... (Jim Hall)
   6. Re: Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Jim Hall)
   7. Wiring harnesses? (Keith Tanner)
   8. Re: Now THAT'S not a normal diff.... (Keith Tanner)
   9. Re: Soul and all that crap (Mark Pilkington)
  10. Re: Soul and all that crap (Mark Pilkington)
  11. Re: 2.6 engine (Mark Pilkington)
  12. ] Re: Fixing up a Land Rover ([email-masked])
  13. Another sucessful relay removal (Jim Hall)
  14. Spring Lube (Paul Quin)
  15. Gearbox Additive (Lance da Silva)
  16. Fwd: Re: [D90] New Range Rover pictures (N Forbes)
  17. Terminal shudder. (William L Leacock)
  18. British Wheels & Wings (Jeff Bieler)
  19. Brake Adjustors.... (Peter & Julie Rosvall)
  20. Re: Now THAT'S not a normal diff.... (Jean-Leon Morin)
  21. Re: Brake Adjustors.... ([email-masked])
  22. lro] God watches out for old Landies ([email-masked])
  23. Re: Brake Adjustors.... (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  24. Re: Brake Adjustors.... (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  25. halfshaft bearing in swivel ball (Rich & Lori Williams)
  26. Block heaters (A. P. "Sandy" Grice)
  27. Block heaters (A. P. "Sandy" Grice)
  28. Photo of mystery diff. (Keith Tanner)
  29. Re: Brake Adjustors.... ([email-masked])

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:35:57 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Now THAT'S not a normal diff....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It seems that you have one of the unsual limited slip Rover diffs. They
do exist but proved troublesome and were not used for long. 
The noises you describe are typical of a limited slip diff that doesn't.
I believe that parts are available to fix it.
John and Muddy

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> You may remember my query as to Basil's odd driveline behaviour. The
> symptoms were basically those of a diff that wasn't, well, allowing a
> differential. The inside wheel was scuffing a little bit, there were chunk
> chunk chunk noises - you know.
> 
> So I found a replacement, pulled it out of the donor axle and then pulled
> Basil's rear diff out. It's NOT a normal diff. It's what I associate with a
> locking or LSD of some sort - the carrier is a cylinder. When it was on the
> truck with the gearbox in neutral, both wheels would spin together. With
> the truck in gear, the rear wheels were locked.
> 
> Now, it seems to be behaving like a locked diff. There are no external
> differences between this thing (labelled LAYS 03410 on the only
> identification I could find). Is it possible that I toasted this thing by
> running 90wt in it? The truck used to behave normally on the road. If it's
> from the gear weight, how can I go about resurrecting it?
> 
> No wonder Basil seemed so good in the rough stuff.
> 
> Keith
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Message: 2
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:58:44 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think the easiest way to go is to order from a company called Vintage Air.
They are on the web and their site has quite a bit of information.
They tend to gravitate toward the Speed Shop set, but as with Summit, where
I bought all of my guages, there are plenty of items that will work in *any*
vehicle.
Vintage Air allows you to put an air conditioning system together a' la
carte. You can buy the vents you like, and get the right guts to push the
amount of air you desire. It also integrates the heater, so you have one set
of controls for everything, like a normal car, and not the extremely
redundant system they put in Defenders.
I priced out a kit that would cool and heat my 110 hybrid, and it came to a
little less that $1000 complete. I didn't want the fancy digital controls
they offer as an option, just dials and switches, but I did factor for a big
enough compressor kit to cool my huge beast in NC during a July heatwave..
Maybe an 88 would be even less to kit out.

The best thing about Vintage Air kits is that they are part of this new DIY
car culture. Apparently, anyone who feels comfortable turning a wrench can
put one of these in.
A good arguement can be made that you could buy all of this stuff at a NAPA
and save a few bucks, but since I'm new to A/C, when I finally get some
money to do it, I'll get the Vintage kit because I'll know it's complete,
the parts are compatible and I'll probably need the customer support number.

I was once told that the A/C components from the no longer made Ford Festiva
was a great choice for cooling cars that didn't come with A/C, particularly
small ones (88s). The components are compact, the compressor puts very
little drag on the engine, it's simple, and it's American.
I love my British beer, trucks and music, Italian food, French wine, and my
daily driver is German.
But dammit, if there's one thing that makes me proud to be an American it's
that we make the BEST DAMN A/C IN THE WORLD!!
(m-y-y-y-y country 'tis of the-e-e.....)

Good luck.
Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Adams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series

>
> Coils and hoses, ducting and wires will prolly not fit in that small a
> space.
> --
> Bill Adams
> Motion Graphics/3D Design Director
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>
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Message: 3
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The soul of a Land Rover (was fixing up a Land Rover)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:53:06 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I look at my Rover the way most people look at tools:
Whatever gets the job done and makes the owner happy, is probably best.
Trucks don't have feelings, but they do need to be taken care of. If a
vehicle is loved and as a result, attended to, then both driver and vehicle
win out.
The "soul" lies somewhere between the vehicle and the owner, in the
symbiotic relationship that develops over time as the owner gets to know the
car.
In high school I read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, and while I
don't normally go for that particular type of book, it was a brilliant study
of the interaction between driver/owner and vehicle/possesion and I loved
it. I'm surprised that book hasn't come up in this discussion yet, as I
would consider it required reading for anyone who has a love for their
vehicle and does their own tinkering (or wants to one day).
I think what we've deduced from all of these comments is that the "soul's"
....erm *location* is a very personal thing. I certainly don't think Marin
is off base with his idea that the engine is an integral part of it. Even
the particular sound an engine makes is part of the experience.
My dog could tell you that if she could speak.
Whenever I'm at a rallye, and a Rover V8 drives by, which is like every two
minutes, she pops up from her nap with the Pavlovian response of "Alex is
home!"
She is so familiar with the sound of the V8's rumble that she equates it
with me coming home (probably more like impending affection and food, but
you get the idea). As a result, she's usually dead tired when we come back
from the rallye, and probably a little confused...
"Jeez, Alex just *kept" driving up, like, every two minutes - total
Groundhog Day"

I think that over time,  we as humans tend to cotton to subtleties like that
as well. It's an important component.

At the same time, how could anyone think TerriAnn's Green Rover was lacking
a soul? She's turned every bolt on that truck at least twice and driven it
across this country countless times. If I was looking for an example of
driver/auto interaction and symbiosis, I would throw TerriAnn in at least
the top 5.
That truck has more soul than Earth Wind and Fire's horn section...

I've been ruminating on this a lot lately because I've traditonally sold my
Rovers after keeping them a few years. I haven't developed the bond that
some of you folks have with your trucks, just the marque itself, which I
adore. The up side of it is that I have some strong opinions about what I
like and dislike about nearly every vehicle Rover has made, because I've
owned one (no Lightweight or Fwd Control yet, however). So when I was
building my truck I opted to use a Rover V8. I like it and it's simple
-but-
I kept all of the CRAP off of it. Idiot lights are kept to the minimum I
need to keep the engine from getting destroyed and I used things like the
brilliant, simple and reliable GM "one wire" alternator and a flex fan
instead of a clutch fan or electric system. It has an American carb that I
can buy anywhere for about $200 if I'm stuck on the highway.
I put in a CD player that also plays MP3s. That way I can theoretically keep
3 or 4 discs in the truck that I've made specifically  for it. 200 MP3s fit
on a disc. I think 600-800 songs stored on 4 discs should cover me if I ever
forget to bring music with me...
There are both DC and AC oulets so I can operate tools.
Comfy seats.
New, reliable wiring.
and much more.

One could argue that it's not a "Rover" and that would be their perogative.
However, I built this thing to take me places and creature comforts make me
love the whole experience even more. I never understood why it was such a
mark of manhood to drive for long hours and many miles in the Series truck's
uncomfortable seats. I've done it - no problem, but there's no real glamor
to it either. Now when I show up at my destination my ass will be a little
happier than it was in past trips and I don't see how that makes me a wuss.
Others can continue to insist that unless you're uncomfortable and cramped,
it's not "Rovering" - if they want to continue to simultaniously wear their
hairshirts and self-flagellate, fine, I'll bring them a cake when they are
getting back surgery later in life.

I sometimes get a little nostalgic for the simplicity of the Series trucks,
like my friend and fellow lister Brad's 88 deisel. My heart will always be
with those things, and I guess I do prefer them pretty close to stock.
But I had to pare it down to one, and oh what a "one" it is.
I built it. It has a little of me in it already and it's soul will develop
as I grow old with it.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] The soul of a Land Rover (was fixing up a Land Rover)

>
> >>On a related note, where does the "soul" of a Land Rover reside?
>
> Well golly.  I was going to pass this thread up, but since C. Marin
> mentioned me and my LR I might was well put on my gum boots and wade in.
>
> >It depends on how you approach the definition.
>
> It does indeed. C. Marin is trying to take the high road of factory
> originality but rationalizes that converting to a completely non Land
> Rover suspension system and adding non Land Rover gauges does not take
> away from being a Land Rover while tinkering with the drive train does.
>
> I own only two cars.  One is The Green Rover the other is a 1961 Triumph
> TR3A.
>
> I hang a lot with the Triumph crowd and attend a lot of British car field
> meets so I feel I have an idea of where the hobby is.
>
> There are primarily two camps, the collector and the driver.
>
> The collector camp seems to view the classic car much as any collector
> would. Mint unused is best.  With cars mint restored as second best over
> worn original.  Worn intact originals don't have all that much value
> unless the vehicle is very rare and/or the collector is a researcher
> looking for an original research material for documentation.
>
> For this camp I get the impression the soul comes built in at the factory
> and is a consumable item that wears away with use. A percentage of the
> soul can be restored if the vehicle is rebuilt like it came from the
> factory.  Any modification wounds the soul significantly.  These are the
> car club members who have pristine cars that mostly get trailered to
> events and driven only a minimum.
>
> The other camp believes the soul of a vehicle comes from doing what the
> vehicle was designed and built to do.   This is what I call the driver
> group.  They seem to believe that a certain amount of soul comes from the
> factory but grows and is refined into something even more wonderful
> through use.  This group largely believes that the soul of a trailer
> queen is a thin translucent specter of what it could be, locked away from
> its intended life.
>
> In this group the soul of a classic British roadster needs wind and
> tarmac to grow and flourish.  It needs to feel the wind along a mountain
> road while running through the gears with the tyres barely clinging to
> the tarmac.  It needs to have a wicker basket on the rear luggage rack
> and to stop for a summer picnic. The  vehicle needs to spend time at the
> edge of it's intended use envelope if the soul is to flourish.
>
> The driver camp runs a full range from those who over restore and drive,
> those who correctly restore and drive, those who just drive and try to
> keep the vehicle drivable, those who want a few modifications to fit
> their personality or special needs and a whole spectrum who reengineer
> all or part of a vehicle.
>
> Of course the people at opposite ends of the driver camp see what each
> other is doing as not remotely proper but agree that the people in the
> collector camp are a bit batty.  The people in the collector camp believe
> the people in the driver camp are not quite right in the head.  They view
> those who restore and drive with suspicion and those who modify as
> outright criminals who should be locked away.
>
> Basically everyone KNOWs their way is best and knows that the farther
> someone is from their part of the hobby spectrum the more wrong they are.
>
> I personally am in the driver camp and believe the soul of a vehicle
> resides both in the driver/owner and the vehicle.  I also believe a
> vehicle and driver needs to spend time at the edge of it's intended use
> envelope if that shared soul is to flourish.
>
> But I also believe that a shared vehicle soul is a highly individualistic
> thing based upon the innate capabilities of the vehicle, the dreams of
> the driver and actual shared experiences.  As long as the driver/owner is
> willing to carry part of the vehicle's soul there is no right or wrong,
> only individual differences in the shared souls.
>
> To me the sad examples are where the owner/driver can not or will not
> take on and nourish part of the vehicle's soul.  The vehicle is relegated
> to being just a tool.
>
> For C. Marin, an original drive train is the essence of the soul he
> shares with his Land Rover.  For me the essence lays primarily in shared
> experiences and pushing parts of the Land Rover envelope.
>
> My Land Rover was completely worn out and missing many parts when I
> rescued her from sinking into the forest humus in early 1978.  Over the
> years she has worked hard on the ranch then went into a third life as a
> long range expedition vehicle.  There are very few parts on her that have
> not worn out and been replaced over her 41 year life.
>
> But to me there is a vibrant full bodied soul that My Land Rover shares
> with me.  Built gradually while stringing fence, mucking the barn,
> hauling hay, following parts of the Oregon and Majave wagon train trails,
> climbing boulder cover hills in the Sierra Nevada mountains, slick rock
> in Majove, camping on Vancouver island, in the Canadian and US Rocky
> mountains, in the bottom of Canyon de Chilly, in the Vermont woods, in
> the plains, alongside the northern shores of the Great Lakes and many,
> many other places.
>
> To me a vehicles soul resides in shared experiences and is not innately
> siting in a hunk of iron or an aluminum panel.  The only wrong is not
> believing.
>
>
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
> Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
> [email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message
>
> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
>
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 06:12:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] sighting in Culver City, CA
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sounds good.

Suddenly, more trucks are popping out of the woods.  My wife spotted a 88
soft top in West LA yesterday that, as she described it, "is hopefully being
restored."  I guess there were missing lights, lots of bare birmabright, and
a ratty soft top.  On the way home from a wedding in Hollywood, we saw two
parked SIII 88's along Olympic Blvd.

I have the worm slowly turning for her.  She's now coming home telling me
about the Rovers she's spotted, what mods she's seeing, when she wants to go
off road again, etc.

Now if only I could convince her that gear oil doesn't really smell that bad
when I track it back into the house...

Jeff

on 9/28/01 10:59 PM, [email-masked] at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 9/27/2001 3:45:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
> 
>> Saw my 2nd ever Series truck in West Los Angeles/Culver City today.  1st is
>> a tan 109 soft top I see regularly in Santa Monica.  The owner appears to
>> have a 1,000 yard stare or a stiff neck as he never seems to look around.
>> 
>> The truck I saw today was a green 88" with a limestone hard top.  I think it
>> was a III, but I was so startled I didn't get a good look.   Anyway, nice to
>> see another Series whoever you are.
>> 
> I'd like to say it was my truck you saw as I was working in Culver City for 3
> months at the beginning of the year, using my 1970 SIIA 88" as my daily
> driver. But sadly not as its languishing in the Hollywoods Hills whilst I'm
> in Italy for 5 months. I'll e-mail when I get back into town as it would be
> great to compare notes with fellow drivers.
> 
> Ian Kelly (in Terni, Italy)
> 
> 1970 Series IIA 88" (in Los Angeles)
> "what kind of bad geographical planning is this"
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:34:51 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Now THAT'S not a normal diff....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just out of curiosity, how is your axle breakage record?

Keith Tanner wrote:
> It's NOT a normal diff. It's what I associate with a
> locking or LSD of some sort - the carrier is a cylinder. When it was on the
> truck with the gearbox in neutral, both wheels would spin together. With
> the truck in gear, the rear wheels were locked.
> 
> Now, it seems to be behaving like a locked diff. There are no external
> differences between this thing (labelled LAYS 03410 on the only
> identification I could find). 
-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:41:56 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No, it couldn't be. The Jeep 6 started out only with a carb over here. 
I had a 258 in my J-10 which I abused the crap out of, since I first
learned to drive and off-road with it. I even drove it with 1 qt of oil
flowing in it. I finally had to replace it after not having strong
enough antifreeze. It still ran, just leaked water out the side. It came
with a Carter 1 bbl carb, which by the way will bolt up to a rover
intake.

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> >Niall Forbes said "I can't believe  that with all the discussions we have
> >about other engines one this list, the straight six out of a Jeep does not
> >get mentioned more often."
> 
> Second that sentiment.  Could it be that the Jeep engine has only been a FI
> engine and no carburetor conversions are available for it??? 
-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:50:31 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Wiring harnesses?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I recall a discussion recently about a source for DIY wiring harnesses that 
adapt well to a Series. What was the source again?

Keith
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:47:36 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Now THAT'S not a normal diff....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Just out of curiosity, how is your axle breakage record?

Never broken one. These noises started while on my trip out here, and I 
replaced my axles with GBR macho axles shortly afterwards as a 
precautionary measure. The truck's probably done 2000 miles since the diff 
started to go. Lucky, eh?

Hmm. Now I have to find some sort of manual on this beast so I can figure 
out how to fix it. Were they a clutch-type? I'll put some photos of it 
online tonight for help with identification.

Keith
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    http://keith.miata.net
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:49:38 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Soul and all that crap
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin wrote  "Well, if you drive it to Solihull and manage to find someone who was working on the line
when they made Series Land Rovers and ask them if what you have is a Land Rover,  they'll look at your
engine and say, "Nope, we never put those in, so it's not a vehicle  we made."  End of story."
Which is wrong.  What he would actually say is " yes it is a Land Rover, but we didn't use that engine,
I wish we had though, it is interesting, how did you get it in there, I bet there is a lot more power,
I see you used this and that etc. What we used to do back then was this and that .............. etc etc
etc". Another enthusiast.  He will be interested and not condemning of the conversion.
Mark Pilkington.

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

> The statement has been made that because Land Rovers were produced in
> such large numbers, they shouldn't be considered in the same vein as the more
> traditional "classic" vehicles.  Well, don't forget, the '41 Cadillac was nothing
> more than this year's model in 1941.  Someday, a 1965 Land Rover will be
> viewed in the same way a '41 Cadillac is today.  Of course by then,
> the Cadillac will be considered even more valuable, so I don't mean to imply
> that both vehicles will ever achieve parity.  But every time one of you chops
> up a Land Rover to turn it into something else, the value of every stock Land
> Rover goes up a tiny bit.  Not that any of us will live to see a stock Series Land Rover
> achieve the same value as a 1941 Cadillac today... well, maybe your youngest kid
> will.
>
> Regardless of how you define the soul of your Land Rover, the fact remains
> that if you modify it with a different engine, drivetrain, etc., it is no longer
> a Land Rover for the simple reason that it isn't.  It's value on the market
> reflects what it really is.
>
> I'm not saying you shouldn't modify it, I'm not saying it's bad to do, I'm not
> saying you've committed a sin.  Some people believe that, but I don't.
> I'm simply saying that it's not a
> true Land Rover anymore, no matter how much you claim, wish, declare, or
> swear that it is.  The owner of Bean Toad made the statement that anyone who
> says his re-engined and otherwise modified 109 isn't a 109 is wrong.  Well, if
> you drive it to Solihull and manage to find someone who was working on the line
> when they made Series Land Rovers and ask them if what you have is a Land Rover,
> they'll look at your engine and say, "Nope, we never put those in, so it's not a vehicle
> we made."  End of story.  What you have is not a Model 109 Land Rover.  It was once,
> but it's not now.  Now, I don't care what you do to your Land Rovers, just don't try to
> pass off your Chevy-350 engined machine as an example of a Land Rover because
> it's not, no matter how much you try to convince yourself and everyone else that it is.
> The proof is in the market value of the vehicle.  (Disclaimer- If you build
> a hybrid racer mixing Range Rover, Land Rover, and other manufacturers' parts, you
> may end up with an extremely valuable vehicle in the racing circle.  However, it won't have
> much value outside that circle.)
>
> I'll buy into TeriAnn's statement that there are people who focus on the vehicle and
> people who focus on the driving.  But that defines the people, not the vehicles.  If you
> want to project some aura of "Land Rover-ishness" onto your re-engined or otherwise
> modified vehicle, that's fine if it makes you happy.  But the fact of the matter is it's
> either what the factory made or it isn't, for the purposes of defining if a vehicle is
> an example of the marque.  How you use it and how you define its soul and your soul
> and all that other crap is all very nice, but it doesn't alter the fact that whatever you're
> restoring, polishing, driving, entering in car shows or driving through the mud is either
> the machine the manufacturer made or it isn't.
>
> Does this mean people who re-engine Series Land Rover and otherwise heavily modify
> them are lesser people than the ones who keep their vehicles stock?  Nope, other than
> the lesser amount they'll get for it if they ever decide to sell it.  Who's enjoying the
> Land Rover "experience" more, (whatever the hell that is), the guy who drives his
> re-engined SIIa all the time, or the guy who ignores his bone stock SIII in the garage?
> I would vote for the guy who drives his hybrid all the time.
>
> But as to what defines the "soul" of a Land Rover, I would have to side with whoever
> just posted that it's just a bunch of parts and as such has no soul.  I totally agree with
> that statement, which is why, in the end, the definition of a Land Rover is absolutely
> black and white.  If it's what Land Rover made, it's a Land Rover.  If it's what you made,
> it's not a Land Rover.  Soul and all that other sentimental bullshit has nothing to do with
> what the car is.  It's either one or the other.
>
> What this pointless but rather entertaining discussion really illustrates is that there
> are two camps of people.  Not TeriAnn's drivers and collectors, but people who
> view machines as having personalities or some other human quality, and those who
> view them as a bunch of parts put together to do a job.  TeriAnn says that an original
> drive train is the essence of the soul I share with my vehicle.  Not correct.  I, in fact,
> have never attached any soul or personality whatsoever to any machine I have ever
> operated, be it a vehicle, plane, boat, or drill press.  I  may really enjoy driving a particular
> vehicle, like my BMW 635.  I may enjoy working on a vehicle, like my Series III.  I may
> enjoy hating a vehicle, like my Ford F-250 with its piece of crap engine.  Certainly every
> different machine has different characteristics.  Of the several de Havilland Beavers I fly,
> some are better than others.  But not because their "souls" are different.  One is
> rigged differently than another one.  One has better blower seals.  One has tighter control cables.
> There's no personality involved here, only the function of the parts.  So I don't view a vehicle
> as a member of the family.  It's just a tool.  And as such, a Land Rover is either the
> collection of steel, aluminum, plastic, and whatever other stuff the factory stuck into it,
> or it's not.  If it's not, well gee, I guess it's not.
>
> "So what," is a good response to all this, by the way, as is "who cares"....:-)
>
> _________________________________________
> C. Marin Faure
> 1973 Land Rover Series III-88
> 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:56:49 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Soul and all that crap
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"So what," is a good response to all this, by the way, as is "who cares"....:-)
Marin, You obviously do care as we all do, because you wrote 7 paragraphs explaining that you do not.
"me thinketh that you doth protest too much" :-)
Mark Pilkington
Owner of a 67 Land Rover with a 350 Chevy V8 in it.

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

> The statement has been made that because Land Rovers were produced in
> such large numbers, they shouldn't be considered in the same vein as the more
> traditional "classic" vehicles.  Well, don't forget, the '41 Cadillac was nothing
> more than this year's model in 1941.  Someday, a 1965 Land Rover will be
> viewed in the same way a '41 Cadillac is today.  Of course by then,
> the Cadillac will be considered even more valuable, so I don't mean to imply
> that both vehicles will ever achieve parity.  But every time one of you chops
> up a Land Rover to turn it into something else, the value of every stock Land
> Rover goes up a tiny bit.  Not that any of us will live to see a stock Series Land Rover
> achieve the same value as a 1941 Cadillac today... well, maybe your youngest kid
> will.
>
> Regardless of how you define the soul of your Land Rover, the fact remains
> that if you modify it with a different engine, drivetrain, etc., it is no longer
> a Land Rover for the simple reason that it isn't.  It's value on the market
> reflects what it really is.
>
> I'm not saying you shouldn't modify it, I'm not saying it's bad to do, I'm not
> saying you've committed a sin.  Some people believe that, but I don't.
> I'm simply saying that it's not a
> true Land Rover anymore, no matter how much you claim, wish, declare, or
> swear that it is.  The owner of Bean Toad made the statement that anyone who
> says his re-engined and otherwise modified 109 isn't a 109 is wrong.  Well, if
> you drive it to Solihull and manage to find someone who was working on the line
> when they made Series Land Rovers and ask them if what you have is a Land Rover,
> they'll look at your engine and say, "Nope, we never put those in, so it's not a vehicle
> we made."  End of story.  What you have is not a Model 109 Land Rover.  It was once,
> but it's not now.  Now, I don't care what you do to your Land Rovers, just don't try to
> pass off your Chevy-350 engined machine as an example of a Land Rover because
> it's not, no matter how much you try to convince yourself and everyone else that it is.
> The proof is in the market value of the vehicle.  (Disclaimer- If you build
> a hybrid racer mixing Range Rover, Land Rover, and other manufacturers' parts, you
> may end up with an extremely valuable vehicle in the racing circle.  However, it won't have
> much value outside that circle.)
>
> I'll buy into TeriAnn's statement that there are people who focus on the vehicle and
> people who focus on the driving.  But that defines the people, not the vehicles.  If you
> want to project some aura of "Land Rover-ishness" onto your re-engined or otherwise
> modified vehicle, that's fine if it makes you happy.  But the fact of the matter is it's
> either what the factory made or it isn't, for the purposes of defining if a vehicle is
> an example of the marque.  How you use it and how you define its soul and your soul
> and all that other crap is all very nice, but it doesn't alter the fact that whatever you're
> restoring, polishing, driving, entering in car shows or driving through the mud is either
> the machine the manufacturer made or it isn't.
>
> Does this mean people who re-engine Series Land Rover and otherwise heavily modify
> them are lesser people than the ones who keep their vehicles stock?  Nope, other than
> the lesser amount they'll get for it if they ever decide to sell it.  Who's enjoying the
> Land Rover "experience" more, (whatever the hell that is), the guy who drives his
> re-engined SIIa all the time, or the guy who ignores his bone stock SIII in the garage?
> I would vote for the guy who drives his hybrid all the time.
>
> But as to what defines the "soul" of a Land Rover, I would have to side with whoever
> just posted that it's just a bunch of parts and as such has no soul.  I totally agree with
> that statement, which is why, in the end, the definition of a Land Rover is absolutely
> black and white.  If it's what Land Rover made, it's a Land Rover.  If it's what you made,
> it's not a Land Rover.  Soul and all that other sentimental bullshit has nothing to do with
> what the car is.  It's either one or the other.
>
> What this pointless but rather entertaining discussion really illustrates is that there
> are two camps of people.  Not TeriAnn's drivers and collectors, but people who
> view machines as having personalities or some other human quality, and those who
> view them as a bunch of parts put together to do a job.  TeriAnn says that an original
> drive train is the essence of the soul I share with my vehicle.  Not correct.  I, in fact,
> have never attached any soul or personality whatsoever to any machine I have ever
> operated, be it a vehicle, plane, boat, or drill press.  I  may really enjoy driving a particular
> vehicle, like my BMW 635.  I may enjoy working on a vehicle, like my Series III.  I may
> enjoy hating a vehicle, like my Ford F-250 with its piece of crap engine.  Certainly every
> different machine has different characteristics.  Of the several de Havilland Beavers I fly,
> some are better than others.  But not because their "souls" are different.  One is
> rigged differently than another one.  One has better blower seals.  One has tighter control cables.
> There's no personality involved here, only the function of the parts.  So I don't view a vehicle
> as a member of the family.  It's just a tool.  And as such, a Land Rover is either the
> collection of steel, aluminum, plastic, and whatever other stuff the factory stuck into it,
> or it's not.  If it's not, well gee, I guess it's not.
>
> "So what," is a good response to all this, by the way, as is "who cares"....:-)
>
> _________________________________________
> C. Marin Faure
> 1973 Land Rover Series III-88
> 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:04:11 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] 2.6 engine
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin, I have a complete and "running when removed" Euro 2.6 liter Land Rover Engine that is
sitting on a pallet in my hanger that can be yours for a measley $200 if you want it.  It was
replaced by a 3.0 P5 Rover car engine in a 72 Dormobile.  It has 80,000 miles on it. Parts in
abundance and any shop can OH it.
Mark Pilkington

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

> I have an opportunity to buy from a friend of mine in the UK a Series III 109 pickup
> with the 2.6 litre six cylinder engine at an extremely reasonable price.  My friend simply
> wants to get the thing off his property because it's in the way.  According to him,
> the 2.6 is a nice-running, smooth engine with a noticeable increase in power over the
> 2.25 four. A 109 with the 2.25 has a pretty tough time getting out of its own way, but
> I'm told that a 109 with the six has halfway decent performance, at least for a Land
> Rover.  I'm told this particular vehicle started and ran fine the last time it was moved, but
> it has almost 83,000 miles on it.  My friend can't remember if the engine underwent an
> overhaul at some point while it was still in regular service.
>
> While I am very much undecided if I want to mess with yet another vehicle,
> let alone another Land Rover, I'm rather intrigued by this one because of the engine.
> The NADA version of the Rover six earned a bad reputation in the US for burning
> pistons, particularly numbers 5 and 6.  However, the lower
> compression version used in Europe, which this particular 109 has in it, does not
> seem to have the burning problem.  On the other hand, parts for this engine were
> hard to get in the US in the best of times, and seem to be almost extinct today.
> Rovers North lists a few gaskets and whatnot for the 2.6, but nothing else.
>
> The friend who has the thing says that 2.6 parts are still available in the UK, but he
> has no idea how easy they are to hunt down as he phased Series Land Rovers out
> of his operation ages ago and has no interest in them today.  So I'm curious if any
> of the UK members of this list have any idea how plentiful or scarce 2.6 parts are
> over there.  My SIII shop manual covers the 2.6 as well as the 2.25 petrol and diesel,
> so I would have the information needed to work on it should I decide to
> acquire the thing.  But if obtaining parts- water pump, fuel pump, distributor, valves,
> valve guides, piston rings, and carburetor bits are the sorts of things that come to mind-
> is an expensive challenge, or will be soon, then the vehicle is not worth importing
> and messing with.
>
> I'm not interested in re-powering it.  For the time, effort, and expense of doing that,
> I could buy a good, used US pickup of some sort, and since I already have one (except
> for its crappy 300 cubic inch six engine), there is no reason to go that route.
>
> _________________________________________
> C. Marin Faure
> (original owner)
> 1973 Land Rover Series III-88
> 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 12
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:00:57 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] ] Re: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Niall Forbes wrote 

<<I can't believe that with all the discussions we have about other engines 
one this list, the straight six out of a Jeep does not get mentioned more 
often.>>

About 20 years ago in the Peoples Republic of Boulder (ten square miles 
completely surrounded by reality) there was a 109 SW with a 258 inch six, 
four speed gearbox and transfer case from a CJ.  The only problem with this 
swap was that it had no parking brake.  The owner liked the power and the 
availability of parts and service know-how. 

Boulder, with it's large university, federal labs, major high tech employers 
and proximity to the moutains, has long been home to Land Rovers and all 
sorts of other interesting cars and trucks. It was in the student union 
parking lot that I saw my first Series I.  With no top, it appeared almost as 
minimal as the original Jeep.  There used to be a surplus military vehicle 
dealer and importer on Pearl Street who always had something interesting on 
his lot, Austin Champs, DKW Mungas, Bren Carriers and all sorts of snow 
tracked things.  He was just across the street from Brose Bouble Pontiac 
Rambler Rover Ranch.  An old friend bought his LR Dormobile there in 1970 or 
1971.  

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver Colorado

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:50:28 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: "lro" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Another sucessful relay removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I sure don't know why everyone has so many problems as this is my second
one to come out. After I stopped screwing around with a hammer and got
the sledge and a piece of pipe, it took 15 minutes tops. Of course it
helps a little when you can turn the frame upside down &8') Next the
frame bushings, which I'm sure will go equally fast as I plan to employ
the help of the log splitter =8'0

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 14
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:56:08 -0700
Subject: [lro] Spring Lube
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thought I'd re-post a hint that someone posed on this list a few years ago,
about spraying new life into old leaf springs.

Jack up one end of the Rover so that the springs are hanging loose.  This
should allow the leafs to open up a bit.  Spray some graphite lube over the
leafs, getting as much between the leafs as you can on both sides.  Do the
same front and back.

I just did this today and it made quite a noticeable difference.  Jumping up
and down on the bumper beforehand produced the usual squeaks and shudders.
Now things are much quieter and smoother, with a little more give in the
spring.  The springs now have a nice dark gray coating too.

I did this last year and seem to remember the effect lasting for six or
eight weeks.  I think that it's a worthwhile way to spend ten minutes every
two months...

Graphite lube spray is available in most parts stores.  I got mine at
Canadian Tyre.

Paul in Victoria.

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Message: 15
From: "Lance da Silva" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:17:46 +0200
Subject: [lro] Gearbox Additive
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone used any of the aftermarket additives with any success to quiten down a gearbox. I just replaced  1st 2nd gear + 
3rd & 4th synchro unit on my series 3 109, but the gearbox is very noisy..

Regards 
Lance

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Message: 16
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:46:34 +0000
Subject: [lro] Fwd: Re: [D90] New Range Rover pictures
Reply-To: [email-masked]

See the link below.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

>From: E J <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [D90] New Range Rover pictures
>Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:53:24 -0700 (PDT)
>
>As the Germans should be saying: "Das ont ugly mo-fo".
>
>http://www.viermalvier.com/news/01/september/landrover_bilder_range.html
>
>Ugh. Its a minivan in my humble opinion.
>
>Long live the D90!
>
>
>Erik
>
>
>
>--- Thorsten Klein <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > Matt McDougall asked two weeks ago for pictures of
> > the new Range Rover. I
> > have found a few on www.viermalvier.com. The only
> > problem could be that
> > this site is in german. You have to look for the
> > words New Range Rover and
> > Bilder.
> > Bye, Thorsten
> >
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/d90
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone.
>http://phone.yahoo.com
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/d90
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

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Message: 17
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:15:06 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Terminal shudder.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Smokey,    the 4 studs that secure the steering parts to the swivel hub
are two different sizes, or more correctly two different diameters. Two
of the studs have a larger plain diameter between the threads so that
they  dowel the arm to the housing, these are normally located at
opposite corners .  the other two studs are standard diameter.  The
reason your steering came loose in the first place could be that the
correct studs are not fitted, permitting a small amount of rotation
between the parts due to the hole / stud clearance.

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:13:02 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: Land Rovers <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] British Wheels & Wings
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wondering if anyone was planning to attend Sundays (09/30) British Wheels &
Wings at the Santa Monica Airport...

Jeff

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Message: 19
From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 20:20:36 -0300
Subject: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello All!

Does anyone have any input regarding replacing the brake adjustors/snail
cams on 109 brakes? i.e. best kits available, maybe an alternate method for
refurbishment...

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
Wolfville, Nova Scotia

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Message: 20
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Now THAT'S not a normal diff....
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:39:04 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Interesting...

As the revelation of limited-slippedness is divulged by e mail, Valdez's
sagging springs sit a little higher in pride.

;-)

(I used to wheel with Kieth, Basil was a force to be reckoned with, for a
stock rover...)

Interesting to say the least. I guess that the mining company that had your
rover really did beef them up quite a bit....

J-L

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:21 PM
Subject: [lro] Now THAT'S not a normal diff....

>
> You may remember my query as to Basil's odd driveline behaviour. The
> symptoms were basically those of a diff that wasn't, well, allowing a
> differential. The inside wheel was scuffing a little bit, there were chunk
> chunk chunk noises - you know.
>
> So I found a replacement, pulled it out of the donor axle and then pulled
> Basil's rear diff out. It's NOT a normal diff. It's what I associate with
a
> locking or LSD of some sort - the carrier is a cylinder. When it was on
the
> truck with the gearbox in neutral, both wheels would spin together. With
> the truck in gear, the rear wheels were locked.
>
> Now, it seems to be behaving like a locked diff. There are no external
> differences between this thing (labelled LAYS 03410 on the only
> identification I could find). Is it possible that I toasted this thing by
> running 90wt in it? The truck used to behave normally on the road. If it's
> from the gear weight, how can I go about resurrecting it?
>
> No wonder Basil seemed so good in the rough stuff.
>
> Keith
> ------------
> Keith's page de home:
>     http://keith.miata.net
> ------------
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 21
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:49:06 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/29/01 4:23:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> Does anyone have any input regarding replacing the brake adjustors/snail
> 

I purchased a set of replacement adjusters from British Pacific, and was 
quite happy. They went into the 109 that Dave Gomes has. it was about $30 
shipped, but that was quite some time ago. The purchase may well have 
included some other items. They went in easily, and I think that the only 
thing not included was some loctite, for the mounting on the post. Came in a 
set for all four wheels I think, and were handed. Been some time ago, and was 
a trivial thing.

Zack

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Message: 22
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 20:01:40 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] lro] God watches out for old Landies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Last week I needed to travel on State business, and when I picked up my 
coworker, the travel car was mysteriously not available. She asked if we 
could take my car, and I assented. I was driving the beater Range Rover, as I 
had loaned my attorney the better Rangie. While waiting in traffic in Santa 
Rosa, for the light to change, the mini-van behind us decided to accelerate 
and pass. Not on the left, and not on the right, but straight up the middle. 
I didn't see her approach, as the light was about to change, but the impact 
was pretty small really, as the van didn't have much room to get up steam, 
nor much mass compared to the Rover. I had to laugh when I pulled into the 
median, exited the car, and no damage was apparent. I had earlier replaced 
the bumper with a piece of 1/4" angle iron with 4" legs. There was not even 
paint damage on my bumper. Her bumper, and grille did sustain some small 
damage. She tried, to explain that she was insured, but I could tell she also 
wanted badly to make it my fault. She just couldn't see a way to make it 
work. She was so pleased that I asked her to just slow down, and have a nice 
day that she stopped sputtering. Nobody is sore, no further damage, just a 
good thing not to be in the Ford Fiesta I would have been in.

Zack
mysterious ways in the universe.

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Message: 23
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 01 17:18:12 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Does anyone have any input regarding replacing the brake adjustors/snail
>cams on 109 brakes? i.e. best kits available, maybe an alternate method for
>refurbishment...

When I went to do mine 20 years ago, I took a good look and decided it 
was more work than I wanted to do.  So I got out a high speed grinder and 
cut the indents on the snail cam a little deeper.  They have been working 
quite well since then.

Sorry though I can not help on how to replace them.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 24
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 01 17:20:00 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Been some time ago, and was a trivial thing.

Maybe I shouldn't have been fooled by the looks of the job.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 25
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [LRO] halfshaft bearing in swivel ball
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:57:33 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone recently replace their halfshaft bearings that sit in the flange of
the swivel balls?  If so - I have a Q or 2.

Rich
'60 SII 109 sw

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Message: 26
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:26:04 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Block heaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Michael Hatton <[email-masked]> wrote:

>As I near the end of my frameover, I decided to replace the exhaust
>manifold while I could still get to it eas=ily. When I took the heat
>shield off, I found what looks like a small electrical socket under the
>manifold, towards the rear of the engine. Is this a block heater?

Yup...there are several kinds, but the one you see is the best - threaded
into the 1" NPT plug on the back of the engine.  See if you have continuity
in the circuit...there's not really a whole lot that can go wrong with
these.  Finding a cord might be a bit of a problem, tho'.  (It's actually a
three wire, grounded cord.  There is a tab that gets smooshed up against
the block by the plug that forms the ground.)  I've got a number for a 400
watt Phillips/Budd Thermo on the office machine, so worst case is contact
the manufacturer for a new one.

Steve...was it you who had that 283 at GP??

Cheers

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Message: 27
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:26:05 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Block heaters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Michael Hatton <[email-masked]> wrote:

>As I near the end of my frameover, I decided to replace the exhaust
>manifold while I could still get to it eas=ily. When I took the heat
>shield off, I found what looks like a small electrical socket under the
>manifold, towards the rear of the engine. Is this a block heater?

Yup...there are several kinds, but the one you see is the best - threaded
into the 1" NPT plug on the back of the engine.  See if you have continuity
in the circuit...there's not really a whole lot that can go wrong with
these.  Finding a cord might be a bit of a problem, tho'.  I've got a
number for a 400 watt Phillips/Budd Thermo on the office machine, so worst
case is contact the manufacturer for a new one.

Steve...was it you who had that 283 at GP??

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----*
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  |              A. P. "Sandy" Grice                   |
  |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
  |  (757)423-4898  (757)622-7054  FAX (757)622-7056   |
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  *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Message: 28
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:25:42 -0400
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Photo of mystery diff.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://keith.miata.net/landy/images/diff_old.jpg

Can anyone identify? From what I've read of the Detroit lockers, they're 
normally locked and only unlock when there's a rotational difference. So if 
this IS a Detroit, there's a chance that it's decided to stick in the 
locked position. The discolouration visible in the photo is present on the 
opposite side of the diff as well, and could be a leftover from assembly or 
a clue to the problem...

keith
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Message: 29
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:07:41 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Adjustors....
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/29/01 5:21:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> > Been some time ago, and was a trivial thing.
> 
> Maybe I shouldn't have been fooled by the looks of the job.
> 
> 

Really wasn't too big, and fixes the bad part about wear making the amount of 
available adjustment smaller. I'm waiting for somebody to build bigger 
snails, so we can use the drums longer. If you grind new detents, you get 
less wear from the shoes before you're out of available adjustment. Did I say 
I was an excessively cheap bastard?

Zack

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