Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #101 - 57 msgs

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:16:03 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: source for swivel ball grease? (G. Mugele)
   2. Fixing up a Land Rover (tim wadsworth)
   3. Re: Oh good, another fun noise. (Jim Hall)
   4. Re: speaking of removing transmissions... (RON WARD)
   5. Re: Generator's in, and on we go... (David Scheidt)
   6. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Bill Adams)
   7. 6 cylinder generator location (Rob MacCormick)
   8. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover ([email-masked])
   9. RE: Oh good, another fun noise. (Tackley, John)
  10. RE: source for swivel ball grease? (Tackley, John)
  11. RE: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Mark Sullivan)
  12. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Bill Adams)
  13. sourcing swivel grease... (george kase)
  14. Here we go again ([email-masked])
  15. RE: source for swivel ball grease? (G. Mugele)
  16. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Ian Stuart)
  17. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (G. Mugele)
  18. Re: was -Fixing up a Land Rover-now-HP pedigree (Bryan Hoult)
  19. Air Conditioning in a Series (Rich Williams II)
  20. RE: Fixing up a Land Rover (Faure, Marin)
  21. terminal shudder (Smokey Briggs)
  22. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Ian Stuart)
  23. Re: Air Conditioning in a Series (Lonn & Rhonda)
  24. Re: RE: Fixing up a Land Rover (Mark Pilkington)
  25. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Hope Peter)
  26. Re: Air Conditioning in a Series (David Scheidt)
  27. Re: Air Conditioning in a Series (Hope Peter)
  28. Re: RE: Fixing up a Land Rover (Keith Tanner)
  29. Re: Air Conditioning in a Series (Lonn & Rhonda)
  30. Re: RE: Fixing up a Land Rover (Bryan Hoult)
  31. Re: Air Conditioning in a Series (Rich Williams II)
  32. Re: RE: Fixing up a Land Rover (Rich Williams II)
  33. Re: RE: Fixing up a Land Rover (Rob MacCormick)
  34. Re: RE: Fixing up a Land Rover (Rich Williams II)
  35. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Frank Elson)
  36. Re: source for swivel ball grease? (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  37. Gear Ratios (Lance da Silva)
  38. Re: Gear Ratios ([email-masked])
  39. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  40. Re: Gear Ratios (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  41. Re: Gear Ratios (Robert A. Virzi)
  42. Re: Air Conditioning in a Series (Bill Adams)
  43. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Peter Ogilvie)
  44. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Hope Peter)
  45. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover ([email-masked])
  46. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Hope Peter)
  47. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Keith Tanner)
  48. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover ([email-masked])
  49. Crate Engines (Hope Peter)
  50. rubber side window gasket? (george kase)
  51. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  52. Re: rubber side window gasket? (Rich & Lori Williams)
  53. Re: rubber side window gasket? (David Scheidt)
  54. Re: rubber side window gasket? (John Karlsson)
  55. sighting in Culver City, CA (Jeff Bieler)
  56. Re: Fixing up a Land Rover (Hope Peter)
  57. Re: sourcing swivel grease... (Jean-Leon Morin)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:00:35 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] source for swivel ball grease?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>can anyone tell me what to look/ask for and where?
>more solid than 90 weight and less solid than regular lube gun grease?

Hi George,

I've long used 140 wt and had no problems.  Well that's not quite 
accurate.... I had no problems with lubrication and/or leaks.  I did 
have problems draining it at anything less than 90 degrees ambient 
temperature and filling the diffs in particular took much time and 
muscle to pump in.  Also at sub freezing temps changing cogs in the 
main gear box takes far more effort than you expect until it warms 
up.  Also at those temps for the first five or ten miles it feels a 
bit like you have the e-brake on.

The stuff is available at most old time auto parts stores.

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     / o\_         Gerald Mugele
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   /    |            Glen Ellen, CA
*** "If men had wings and bore black feathers, few of them would be 
clever enough to be crows."  -- Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, mid 1800s 

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Message: 2
From: "tim wadsworth" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:54:52 +0000
Subject: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello,

I've been reading the tale of the Chevy? powered Landie from my chair here 
in London with interest. What sort of fuel consumption are you expecting? 
While the extra power would be nice, fuel at 5 dollars or more a gallon 
would make this impractical over here (not that the standard 2 1/4 is 
economical by any standard). How does this sort of engine respond on LPG 
which is half the price here?

Have you thought about submitting your rebuild tale to one of the Landy 
magazines as I'm sure many more owners etc. than submit to this list would 
be interested. I believe LRO International pays about 150 dollars for a 
story - enough to cover fuel costs for weekend's off roading I would 
imagine.

The discussions about garage heating are most amusing. Garages are at a 
premium in London and I'm rebuilding my 1980 88" on the street. The only 
heating is 96 million miles away! I've got 3 months before the tax disk runs 
out (it's then illegal to have it on the road) and I've still got a whole 
host of jobs to do.

Tim Wadsworth
London, UK

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:31:41 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Oh good, another fun noise.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sounds like broken spider gears, although I would think metal chunks
should come out. I had this happen on my old Jeep truck once, same 
symptoms. The broken piece is probably jammed between the other teeth.

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> or: what does a dying diff sound like?
> 
> Symptoms: A juddering (similar to a bad u-joint) from the rear when
> accelerating from a stop around a corner. This is most noticeable when
> turning left, and it does not happen when not under power, going straight
> or at any significant speed. It's mostly tight, slow corners. Also, when
> coming to a stop, I'll sometimes hear a "chunk chunk chunk" from the rear.
> 
> Ideas? All the u-joints in the driveshafts are new, but I haven't checked
> the rear ones since installation. I'll sometimes get a chirping from the
> inside tire on a tight turn and I don't think I've ever had this happen on
> loose surfaces. It's almost as if the diff is locked or not as open as it
> should be. The fluid came out clean of metal chunks at the last change.
> 
> Keith, rebuilding a Rover one component at a time
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Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:06:07 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] speaking of removing transmissions...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

350 miles in a day in an 88" with a broken frame and a tranny held in place by a strap.

"A Series truck will always get you back to the house."

Great story,

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 09/26/01 06:08PM >>>

reminds me of a great trail fix i saw this past weekend up in VT.  88" comes 
down hard on a rock (on the frame) and splits the corner of the frame rail 
right down on the side for a distance of about 18", through the area that the 
transmission crossmember attaches.  being a fairly thin frame, the other side 
of the crossmember decides to break off at the frame, and the transmission 
falls to the limit that the engine mounts will alow.  needing a fix, being in 
the middle of a failry challenging trail in the relative middle of nowhere, 
the center seat bottom is removed, the access panel thrown in back, and the 
wheel brace is placed across the opening like an X.  a ratchet strap is 
looped under the transmission and over the wheel brace, and tightened, 
pulling the transmission back into position.  drive out of trail, park in 
camping area, drive home 350+ miles the next day.  fix gets an A+ from me.

adam
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:47:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Generator's in, and on we go...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, girasoli wrote:

:
:Well, the generator is back from the shop, and after being installed, we're
:back to charging status in the '67. giddyup! Thanks to all of you for your
:advice.
:
:Time to tackle the next problem: no dash lights. It's the black knob in the
:upper right hand corner of the dash, correct? When pulled out, there's nothing

Yep.  It only works when the headlights are on, though.

:to show for it. Where can I start? How do I get at the dash bulbs? I take it
:there are two, one behind the speedo and the gas/ammeter gauge. Is there a
:fuse for the dash lights?

Fuse?  I don't think rover believed in fuses.  To get to the dashlights, you
need to yank the dashboard.  There are five or six screws holding it in
place; remove those, and it should come off.  The wires and speedo cable
will still be attached, of course, so you can't move it far.  You might also
have to disconnect the speedo cable to get the dashboard clear enough to get
to the back of it.  It'll be a mess of wires.  67 has the new style dash,
with seperate switches for lights and ignition, right?  There should be a
wire going from the headlight switch, to the dash panel light switch, and
then to the instrument lights (one for the speedo, one for everything else,
maybe a third, if you've got an axuilliary dash panel).  First check that
all the wires are present.  Then check that the dash panel switch actually
works.  If it doesn't, it might with a bit of cleaning.  Then check the
bulbs aren't blown.  Then check the headlight switch is functioning
properly.  The terminal the panel lights are connected to should have power
whenever the lights are on.

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:51:25 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tim, Chevy 350's are very plentiuful and cheap to obtain. A trip to the
wreckers can get you a good low mileage runner for about $450; that's
with everything...starter, alt., carb and so on. With an economy 2
barrel carb, gas mileage is about the same as the Landy four..around 20.
Not great but OK for a V8. 
The aftermarket performance parts available for this engine are mind
boggling. Superchargers, chrome bits, aluminum heads, you name it. A
cross bolted version can handle 800+ horsepower.
Since fuel prices aren't really a concern, there's been no big push to
convert to LPG or CNG.
There are fleets that run these engines on LPG, such as our local gas
company, so I'm supposing that the conversion is a practical one.

I'm installing an International 345 in my 109 wagon as it is a very long
lived and durable engine. With a cam kit, 650 CFM carb and headers it'll
push 200+ HP. I'm using the Borg Warner T-19 transmission as it is a
monster with a very low first gear. International put these in dump
trucks and wreckers. The transfer case was a dilema, which I solved by
ditching the Rover unit and going with the Dana 20 that already was
attached to the gearbox. The problem with this course is that the 20
tcase is a centered rear output design whereas the Rover needs an offset
rear. The very similar Dana 18 as used on Jeeps is an offset righ and
even comes with a handbrake. I'm putting the 18 guts into the 20 case.

Anyway, you can put a V8 into a rover here very inexpensively, assuming
you do much of the work yourself. There are places that will do this for
you at shop-rate prices, thereby offsetting any possibility of
recovering one's investment. 

If you really want a Chevy 350 in your Rover, there are plenty of places
that will sell you a "crate" motor, that is, one that is crated and
ready to run right out of the box. Be ready to spend about 2500 US plus
shipping. Still not too bad. You'll need a Scotty's adapter to get the
Rover bellhousing to fit the Chevy, and I'd recommend installing a 5
speed transmission using the Ashcroft Conversions setup...very tidy.
Then you can begin to consider a 6-71 blower and dual double pumper
Holleys. To hell with economy, let's spool up all four in a smokey
burnout!
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:58:57 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] 6 cylinder generator location
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In my '68 109 RHD dormobile with they chevy 6.....Where would the original
generator have been located? It originally had the Land rover 6 cylinder and being
RHD I'm thinking not NADA if that makes a difference.....I'm trying to figure out
where it was (left side of engine vs. right side of engine) to begin to address a
wiring harness replacement desire......

Rob MacCormick
Concord MA

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Message: 8
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:18:36 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Crumudgeon Bill writes:

> You'll need a Scotty's adapter to get the
> Rover bellhousing to fit the Chevy, and I'd recommend installing a 5
> speed transmission using the Ashcroft Conversions setup...very tidy.
> Then you can begin to consider a 6-71 blower and dual double pumper
> Holleys. To hell with economy, let's spool up all four in a smokey
> burnout!
> 

Did I miss something?  Is this the Bill Adams I once knew of the "2.25 liter 
Diesel Rover engine is the only way to go" fame? What demon has possessed 
him? 
Will he bring his monster 109 to MAR and demonstrate its prowess by driving 
over a line up of mid 80's GM sedans?

Nate

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Message: 9
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Oh good, another fun noise.
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:20:50 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, A dying diff sounds just exactly like you described yours!
Seriously though, I am wondering if you have a locker installed in the rear
diff that perhaps you do not know about that is failing (ever had that diff
out???...perhaps a previous owner installed a locker?) (my clue for this was
the 'chirp' of the inside tire).
Also, could the stock diff have been welded solid at some time in the past,
and is now failing?  
You might want to check the driveshaft splines for excessive wear, (though
this would not likely provide the symtoms you described).
In any case, your only course of action is to pull the diff and take a
look...

Jt/ric
Keith asked:
What does a dying diff sound like?

Symptoms: A juddering (similar to a bad u-joint) from the rear when 
accelerating from a stop around a corner. This is most noticeable when 
turning left, and it does not happen when not under power, going straight 
or at any significant speed. It's mostly tight, slow corners. Also, when 
coming to a stop, I'll sometimes hear a "chunk chunk chunk" from the rear.

Ideas? All the u-joints in the driveshafts are new, but I haven't checked 
the rear ones since installation. I'll sometimes get a chirping from the 
inside tire on a tight turn and I don't think I've ever had this happen on 
loose surfaces. It's almost as if the diff is locked or not as open as it 
should be. The fluid came out clean of metal chunks at the last change.

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Message: 10
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] source for swivel ball grease?
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:26:30 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, you might want to just purchase two tubes/sachets of Land Rover
approved swivel ball grease , part no. STC3435, which should be about $8
each, from the usual suspects.

JT/ric
G. Mugele asked:

>can anyone tell me what to look/ask for and where?
>more solid than 90 weight and less solid than regular lube gun grease?

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Message: 11
From: Mark Sullivan <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:48:46 +1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

the other huuuge?? advantage of a scissor jack is that it will work in any
orientation ie. sideways upside down etc. whereas the hydraulic jack ( or
those I have owned  ) will not work on the horizontal

	My 2c worth

Mark Sullivan
Series 11a
1980 RR

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Woodward [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2001 8:54 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners

> Why am I wasting time on a 10-dollar hydraulic jack?

Cos a scissor jack will lift the same weight, be easier to maintain, 
and also cover a much greater distance of lift. making it more 
versatile for other jobs. You can cram one into a space only 3 
inches wide that needs jacking apart......

I would always chose a scissor jack except if I wante to lift heavie 
things than about 2 tons, in which case the hydraulic jack would be 
the only option.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:17:16 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The last straw was a recent trip to Syracuse during which the Rover
barely made it above 35 mph on the long hills in PA whilst the 18
wheelers went roaring by at 75.
Nate, it's a simple equation.
British horsepower = expensive, unreliable, hard to source, usually
relies on American technology, leaks.
American horsepower = cheap, easy to come by, lots of aftermarket
support, reliable, things fit together, doesn't leak.
-- 
Bill Adams
Motion Graphics/3D Design Director
IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC
[email-masked]
202-205-9638

1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel
1981 Honda GoldWing Standard
1963 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 13
Date: 27 Sep 2001 09:33:24 -0500
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] sourcing swivel grease...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello,
I am well aware of the debate concerning grease vs. 90 wt. I have
made up my mind on the side of grease...so I am looking for guidance
from a fellow "non-90 wt." user... I seem to recall someone mentioning
an actual number denoting a softer form of grease...has anyone actually
done this? Again, I'm not looking to re-start an old debate...just looking
for information...
thanks again,
George

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Message: 14
To: [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:26:36 GMT
Subject: [lro] Here we go again
Reply-To: [email-masked]

George Wrote:
Hi
can anyone tell me what to look/ask for and where?
more solid than 90 weight and less solid than regular lube gun grease?
thanks
George

To which Bill replied something about buttermilk.

Anyway I don't want to get into a grease v oil war again, but I have been 
thinking and that in itself is dangerous.  George if your swivel seals are 
leaking, you should replace them.  Just get over it you'll thank yourself in 
the long run.  I tried the grease and 90 wt mix for awhile and not only did it 
eventually all leak out, but the damage caused from water leaking in was bad.  
I had thought about putting something like STP in them, its about 140 wt.  I 
even considered putting chainsaw bar oil because it is rather thick and 
sticky.  I really don't care what you or anyone else puts in them.  Grease, 
90wt, buttermilk or what ever floats your boat.  Just realize that when the 
seals leak something out, they will leak something in.  Rust coated bearings 
and other bits floating around in the aqueous soup is not a good thing.

Hurricane Mitch

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:29:56 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] source for swivel ball grease?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 9:26 AM -0400 9/27/01, Tackley, John wrote:
>G. Mugele asked:
>
>  >can anyone tell me what to look/ask for and where?
>  >more solid than 90 weight and less solid than regular lube gun grease?

I don't think he ever asked a question like that.  G. Mugele much 
prefers the flavor of the 140 Wt he licks off his fingers while 
enjoying haute cuisine after working on the Land Rover drive train.

       _
     / o\_         Gerald Mugele
    /   )-- \       [email-masked]
   /    |            Glen Ellen, CA
*** "If men had wings and bore black feathers, few of them would be 
clever enough to be crows."  -- Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, mid 1800s 

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Message: 16
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 27 Sep 2001 16:37:25 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 2001-09-27 at 15:17, Bill Adams wrote:
> 
> The last straw was a recent trip to Syracuse during which the Rover
> barely made it above 35 mph on the long hills in PA whilst the 18
> wheelers went roaring by at 75.
> Nate, it's a simple equation.
> British horsepower = expensive, unreliable, hard to source, usually
> relies on American technology, leaks.
> American horsepower = cheap, easy to come by, lots of aftermarket
> support, reliable, things fit together, doesn't leak.
I prefer this one:
British Horsepower: rare, expensive, frugal
US horsepower: profligant, cheap

-- 
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Ian Stuart: Edinburgh University Data Library.
I build things: computer programs (with code); or cars (with metal)

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:52:24 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 4:37 PM +0100 9/27/01, Ian Stuart wrote:
>British Horsepower: rare, expensive, frugal
>US horsepower: profligant, cheap

Uhmmmmmm.....  did you just coin that term?
Is "profligant" perhaps an example of a Lothian dialect?  Something 
perhaps used only in the Pentland Hills?  Define please.

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     / o\_         Gerald Mugele
    /   )-- \       [email-masked]
   /    |            Glen Ellen, CA
*** "If men had wings and bore black feathers, few of them would be 
clever enough to be crows."  -- Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, mid 1800s 

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Message: 18
Date: 27 Sep 2001 08:59:21 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] was -Fixing up a Land Rover-now-HP pedigree
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 27 September 2001, Ian Stuart wrote:
> I prefer this one:
> British Horsepower: rare, expensive, > frugal
> US horsepower: profligant, cheap

It depends on where you're standing.  Anything in abundance anywhere, of course, is completely pedestrian.

Bryan - savoring every rare ft. lb. of British torque.

62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 19
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:58:13 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Okay don't laugh - but with the recent discussions about V6 and V8 motors as
a way to increase HP I've been wondering about the possibilities of adding
AC to Series trucks.

We've been building custom AC units for vintage XK Jaguars and they are
amazing!  The only problem that we've come across with LRs though is the
lack of horsepower.  It'll take 62.9 hp to run the system and that's awfully
hard on a 63 hp enhgine - even going downhill with a tail wind!  Alright,
that might be a little bit of an exaggeration but the fact is that there
isn't enough power with a stock motor, but with a V6 or V8, that might make
this possible.

Why AC in a Series truck (as I am sure many are wondering)?  Well .....
SWMBO might be more inclined to do more rovering in the warmer months, need
I say more?

Rich
'60 SII 109SW

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Message: 20
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:10:42 -0700
Subject: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I cunningly had them put a wire under the seams and pull it so there is
a gap.  Those parts are removable if necessary. But it's a Land Rover,
why would I ever have to take them out to work on it??????????????

It WAS a Land Rover.  It ain't now.....:-)

Marin Faure
1973 Series III Model 88
1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:06:52 -0500
From: Smokey Briggs <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] terminal shudder
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Somebody awhile back posted a problem with a terminal shudder that would not
stop until the vehicle nearly stopped from front end, usually experienced at
low speeds on un-even ground. I had this problem, rebuilt the entire front
end and shudder went away. Now I have found the actual source of the
problem. 

Once into the front end I renewed most everything - shocks to bushings and
bearings and shudder went away. About six months later, much to my dismay,
shudder reappeared -- same symptoms -- bumpy ground (sometimes a single bump
-- that applied forces to one wheel but not the other).

The source was a loosening steering arm. The four big bolts were working
their way loose despite the new safeties installed with the rebuild. The
kicker is that you can't tell the thing is loose till you jack the front end
up and relieve the pressure on the sterring assembly. Retightened bolts and
bingo, no more shudder. (No more dripping 90W either. I had refinished this
swivel ball with JB weld during rebuild and assumed my fix had shredded the
new swivel ball seal when it started dripping, not long before the shudder
reappeared). 

What I cannot figure out is why only one side is working loose? This is a
LHD 5dr 109 NAS. Right side is loosening - left is fine. The safeties are
hammered down in place.

My next idea is loctite but it seems like something must be wrong -- that
loctite may treat the symptom but not the cause. Any ideas.

Thanks,

Smokey Briggs
Pecos, Texas

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Message: 22
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 27 Sep 2001 17:25:32 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 2001-09-27 at 16:52, G. Mugele wrote:
> 
> At 4:37 PM +0100 9/27/01, Ian Stuart wrote:
> >British Horsepower: rare, expensive, frugal
> >US horsepower: profligant, cheap
> 
> Uhmmmmmm.....  did you just coin that term?
Oops, sorry, should have been "profligate"

See: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=profligate

I must be getting old... I'm starting to use fancy words...
:(

-- 
--==++
Ian Stuart: Edinburgh University Data Library.
I build things: computer programs (with code); or cars (with metal)

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

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Message: 23
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:22:56 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rich, or anybody else for that matter,

If you design and build a good AC unit that can be installed in a
Chevy powered 109 then count me in.  Seriously.  I'm still hacking
dust out of my lungs and blowing mud out of my nose from following
Bryan Hoult around the Cascade Range last weekend.  The Defender and
Disco and Cherokee behind me with their windows up and AC on didn't
even notice the dust.

Next time we wheel in such dry, dusty conditions I'm wearing a dust
mask and goggles...

Lusting for AC,
Lonn

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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:23:16 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here we go.:-) It is a Land Rover until the old badge on the back says
otherwise;-)

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

> From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
>
> I cunningly had them put a wire under the seams and pull it so there is
> a gap.  Those parts are removable if necessary. But it's a Land Rover,
> why would I ever have to take them out to work on it??????????????
>
> It WAS a Land Rover.  It ain't now.....:-)
>
> Marin Faure
> 1973 Series III Model 88
> 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 25
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:30:58 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> American horsepower = cheap, easy to come by, lots of aftermarket
> support, reliable, things fit together, doesn't leak.
> --
> Bill Adams

I just smile at the IH 345.  What a great engine.  Not near as many after
market parts options as compared to a smallblock, but they are damn near
bullet proof.  Huge heavy block, gotta be at least .75 inches of material
between the cylinders.  I had a problem with overheating, but it was an old
tired radiator.  Had a custom jobby fabbed up at a place in Norfolk and she
ran at 190 ever after.  Had the Chrysler Torqueflite 727(?) and a Dana 300.
Great setup.

Pete
ps.  this was in  a Scout not a Rover.

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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:32:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Lonn & Rhonda wrote:

:
:Rich, or anybody else for that matter,
:
:If you design and build a good AC unit that can be installed in a
:Chevy powered 109 then count me in.  Seriously.  I'm still hacking
:dust out of my lungs and blowing mud out of my nose from following
:Bryan Hoult around the Cascade Range last weekend.  The Defender and
:Disco and Cherokee behind me with their windows up and AC on didn't
:even notice the dust.

There are companies that make air con for hotrods and street rods.  I'd be
shocked if they don't supply something that would work.

-- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 27
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:42:20 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Next time we wheel in such dry, dusty conditions I'm wearing a dust
> mask and goggles...
>
> Lusting for AC,
> Lonn

I have so many leaks and gaps, even with the AC I will need goggles and
mask.

Pete

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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:39:51 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On a related note, where does the "soul" of a Land Rover reside? If I 
replace the transmission, the frame, the bulkhead, the suspension and other 
sundry bits, when does it become a different Land Rover?

Keith

At 10:23 9/27/01, you wrote:

>Here we go.:-) It is a Land Rover until the old badge on the back says
>otherwise;-)
>
>"Faure, Marin" wrote:
>
> > From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
> > Reply-To: [email-masked]
> >
> > I cunningly had them put a wire under the seams and pull it so there is
> > a gap.  Those parts are removable if necessary. But it's a Land Rover,
> > why would I ever have to take them out to work on it??????????????
> >
> > It WAS a Land Rover.  It ain't now.....:-)
> >
> > Marin Faure
> > 1973 Series III Model 88
> > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked]
>http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 29
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:48:44 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I want someone else to do the legwork... I'm tired of having to
reinvent the wheel.

Lonn

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Scheidt" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series

>
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Lonn & Rhonda wrote:
>
> :
> :Rich, or anybody else for that matter,
> :
> :If you design and build a good AC unit that can be installed in a
> :Chevy powered 109 then count me in.  Seriously.  I'm still hacking
> :dust out of my lungs and blowing mud out of my nose from following
> :Bryan Hoult around the Cascade Range last weekend.  The Defender
and
> :Disco and Cherokee behind me with their windows up and AC on didn't
> :even notice the dust.
>
> There are companies that make air con for hotrods and street rods.
I'd be
> shocked if they don't supply something that would work.
>
> --
> [email-masked]
> Bipedalism is only a fad.
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 30
Date: 27 Sep 2001 10:01:50 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 27 September 2001, Mark Pilkington wrote:

> Here we go.:-) It is a Land Rover >until the old badge on the back says
>otherwise;-)

That's good to know, because my fleet just expanded from 2 to 4 vehicles.  I have a D90 and a 109 rattling around in the dash of my 88.

Bryan  

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Message: 31
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:41:07 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

David Scheidt writes...

There are companies that make air con for hotrods and street rods.  I'd be
shocked if they don't supply something that would work.

David,

This is true, however, it's not finding something that would work but
finding something that works well.  For those not familiar with Jaguar XKs,
specifically Coupes, they don't have any extra room in them for adding
anything.  A CD player is a challenge let along a power steering rack or AC,
especially considering the peripheral items that go with these systems.  And
when we install such items into the Jags they are done so in a manner that
makes them virtually invisible so that they don't affect the outward
appearance of the vehicle.

When it comes to Rovers, finding the extra space isn't a problem.  So ,
we've discovered that the main challenges are electrical and engine power
but we've sorted most of that out.  Unfortunately, back when I started
rebuilding my 109 I rebuilt the engine first.  So I am obviously going with
the stock 2.25L petrol motor.  When I financially recover from the
restoration I will be putting something else under the bonnet.  A small 6
would do quite nicely.  Once that's in, sorting out AC after doing the Jags
would be a  - well, a breeze.  No pun intended.  If someone is interested in
doing this now, contact me off list and I can clue them into the specifics.

Rich

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Message: 32
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:39:39 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> That's good to know, because my fleet just expanded from 2 to 4 vehicles.
I have a D90 and a 109 rattling around in the dash of my 88.

> Bryan

Do those count?  Well in that case....

1 - 1960 Series II 109 station wagon (undergoing complete frame off
restoration)
11 - Series IIa 109 station wagons
3 - Series IIb Forward Control fire engines
12 - Series II 88 soft top
4 - Range Rover police vehicles
1 - Series III 109 station wagon with trailer
3 - Series II 88 pick ups (one with horse trailer)
12 - Series II/IIa 109 pick-ups in various configurations
2 - Series I 107 pick-ups
17 - Series I 80 - various configurations
16 - trailers for above Series Is

But those are in my office on bookshelves, except for the first one...

 - Rich (35 on the outside, 8 on the inside)

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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:56:04 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Reminds me of a sweatshirt my Mom gave me a few years ago....It says "Still
plays with cars"

Rich Williams II wrote:

> > That's good to know, because my fleet just expanded from 2 to 4 vehicles.
> I have a D90 and a 109 rattling around in the dash of my 88.
>
> > Bryan
>
> Do those count?  Well in that case....
>
> 1 - 1960 Series II 109 station wagon (undergoing complete frame off
> restoration)
> 11 - Series IIa 109 station wagons
> 3 - Series IIb Forward Control fire engines
> 12 - Series II 88 soft top
> 4 - Range Rover police vehicles
> 1 - Series III 109 station wagon with trailer
> 3 - Series II 88 pick ups (one with horse trailer)
> 12 - Series II/IIa 109 pick-ups in various configurations
> 2 - Series I 107 pick-ups
> 17 - Series I 80 - various configurations
> 16 - trailers for above Series Is
>
> But those are in my office on bookshelves, except for the first one...
>
>  - Rich (35 on the outside, 8 on the inside)
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 34
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:02:28 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When I lived in Boulder, Colorado some years ago there was a mountaineering
store I shopped at that sold a t-shirt..... "He who dies with the most toys
wins."

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Fixing up a Land Rover

Reminds me of a sweatshirt my Mom gave me a few years ago....It says "Still
plays with cars"

Rich Williams II wrote:

> > That's good to know, because my fleet just expanded from 2 to 4
vehicles.
> I have a D90 and a 109 rattling around in the dash of my 88.
>
> > Bryan
>
> Do those count?  Well in that case....
>
> 1 - 1960 Series II 109 station wagon (undergoing complete frame off
> restoration)
> 11 - Series IIa 109 station wagons
> 3 - Series IIb Forward Control fire engines
> 12 - Series II 88 soft top
> 4 - Range Rover police vehicles
> 1 - Series III 109 station wagon with trailer
> 3 - Series II 88 pick ups (one with horse trailer)
> 12 - Series II/IIa 109 pick-ups in various configurations
> 2 - Series I 107 pick-ups
> 17 - Series I 80 - various configurations
> 16 - trailers for above Series Is
>
> But those are in my office on bookshelves, except for the first one...
>
>  - Rich (35 on the outside, 8 on the inside)
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 35
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:18:55 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tim, you write: >>>I'm rebuilding my 1980 88" on the street. The only
> heating is 96 million miles away! <<<

that's 'cos you're in the soft South, we ain't seen the sun in weeks... mind
you, I have heating and I'm only 400 miles away from you... if that helps...
Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 36
Subject: Re: [lro] source for swivel ball grease?
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 12:31:20 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>can anyone tell me what to look/ask for and where?
>more solid than 90 weight and less solid than regular lube gun grease?

Rover picked a grease thin enough to properly lube a CV joint and thick 
enough not to leak out of a less than perfect condition swivel seal.  
Unless you know exactly what it is it probably wouldn't hurt to get the 
correct stuff from a Rover dealer.

I assume you are talking about a use with a CV joint and not a U-joint 
with those tiny roller bearings inside.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 37
From: "Lance da Silva" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:53:02 +0200
Subject: [lro] Gear Ratios
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have posted before on this issue, and still am out of luck. I recently replaced the rover sidevalve six with a Ford Essex 
V6 as these parts are readily available in SA and cheap. I found a broken tooth on one of the transfer gears so replaced 
the tranny with a spare. Lo and behold conversion complete, but the engine now revs @ 3000 at just 37 mph (60kph) I 
dropped the transmission and stripped it next to two other boxes that I have, and started counting teeth on all the gears. 
All three the same. How is it possible that I have this overevving engine, if the old sidevalve six ran fine? I often saw 
120kph on the old engine.
The gearbox otherwise is not noisy, and seems in good condition.
Please help,

Lance

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Message: 38
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:03:45 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Gear Ratios
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/27/01 3:54:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> Lo and behold conversion complete, but the engine now revs @ 3000 at just 37 
> mph (60kph) I 
> 

Could your clutch be slipping? 

Nate

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Message: 39
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 13:09:35 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I've been reading the tale of the Chevy? powered Landie from my chair here 
>in London with interest. What sort of fuel consumption are you expecting? 
>While the extra power would be nice, fuel at 5 dollars or more a gallon 
>would make this impractical over here (not that the standard 2 1/4 is 
>economical by any standard). How does this sort of engine respond on LPG 
>which is half the price here?

As a side bar, my Ford 302 V8 with Ashcroft high ratio transfer kit & 32 
inch tyres gets almost identical fuel milage to what I got with the 
series III 2.25L engine with 8:1 head, standard gearing, 32 inch tyres.  
Stock series diff ratio in both cases.

The main differences is I do not gear down going uphill, I can now drive 
the speed limit and the 109 can now climb anything the tyres can get a 
grip upon.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 40
Subject: Re: [lro] Gear Ratios
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:08:06 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Lance, dumb question - are you sure the transfer case is not stuck in Low?

If not, here's a thought - did you mistakenly swap the transfer case for
one from a Series IIB?

Gear ratios:

Series C transmission and up:

4th: 1:1
3rd 1.150:1
2nd: 2.22:1
1st 3.60:1
R: 3.02:1

Transfer case:

High: 1.148:1
Low:   2.350:1

Overall ratios:

High:

4th:  5.396:1
3rd: 7.435
2nd: 11.026
1st:   16.171

Low:

4th: 13.578
3rd 18.707
2nd: 27.742
1st:  40.688

Now, if you take the rear-end ratio at 4.7 to 1, it looks to me like you're
stuck in Low...... 3000 ish RPM should see you at 55-60 MPH depending on
tyre size.

                  ajr

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Message: 41
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:14:31 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "Robert A. Virzi" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gear Ratios
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Lo and behold conversion complete, but the engine now revs @ 3000 at just 37
> mph (60kph) I
>

Low range?
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Message: 42
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:53:27 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [LRO] Air Conditioning in a Series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'd look at the old VW bus version. The A/C lives in a pod located
spanning the width of the interior behind the driver and passenger's
heads. There were outlets front and rear and the hoses and wires ran up
through a plastic trough. In a Rover 109 wagon, those could route
through the b pillars. In an 88, behind the seat bulkhead.
The pod could be easily fabbed of sheet aluminum or FRP, and the fans
and coils stuffed inside.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 43
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:54:13 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There seems to be a feeling in Europe that Cubic inches or centimeters are 
somehow wasteful.  70hp and 15mpUSg out of 2 1/4 liters seems a little 
stupid when you can have 150hp and 15mpUSg, out of 302 cubic inches AND have 
an engine that will last a whole lot longer, if driven at the same speeds.  
The Iron Duke conversion is a prime example of how a little technology and 
cubic inches makes a whole bunch of sense, if we're not talking roller skate 
vehicles.  Somehow I think the European obsession with dinky engines is/was 
a misplaced notion of what profligate is all about.

Would anyone care to explain why Rover continues to build 2.5 liter diesels 
when they could have a real engine with another liter or two of 
displacement.  I know its probably government regulations and tax policy, 
but way do they insist on that stupidity.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
>Date: 27 Sep 2001 16:37:25 +0100
>
>
>On Thu, 2001-09-27 at 15:17, Bill Adams wrote:
> >
> > The last straw was a recent trip to Syracuse during which the Rover
> > barely made it above 35 mph on the long hills in PA whilst the 18
> > wheelers went roaring by at 75.
> > Nate, it's a simple equation.
> > British horsepower = expensive, unreliable, hard to source, usually
> > relies on American technology, leaks.
> > American horsepower = cheap, easy to come by, lots of aftermarket
> > support, reliable, things fit together, doesn't leak.
>I prefer this one:
>British Horsepower: rare, expensive, frugal
>US horsepower: profligant, cheap
>
>--
>--==++
>Ian Stuart: Edinburgh University Data Library.
>I build things: computer programs (with code); or cars (with metal)
>
>What if there were no hypothetical questions?
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked]
>http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 44
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:04:15 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Would anyone care to explain why Rover continues to build 2.5 liter
diesels
> when they could have a real engine with another liter or two of
> displacement.  I know its probably government regulations and tax policy,
> but way do they insist on that stupidity.
>

I think it's related to the $$$ needed for R&D

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Message: 45
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:10:12 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/27/01 5:09:21 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>I think it's related to the $$$ needed for R&D

well, now under Ford, who knows what will happen.  We could see a fuel 
injected ford 5.0 V8 in the next defender.

adam

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Message: 46
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:19:00 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> In a message dated 9/27/01 5:09:21 PM, [email-masked] writes:
> 
> >I think it's related to the $$$ needed for R&D
> 
> well, now under Ford, who knows what will happen.  We could see a fuel 
> injected ford 5.0 V8 in the next defender.

Nahh, I want the PowerStroke they put into the F Series

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Message: 47
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:17:37 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Engine size in Europe and the UK is driven by taxation as much as anything 
else.

Keith

At 14:54 9/27/01, you wrote:

>There seems to be a feeling in Europe that Cubic inches or centimeters are 
>somehow wasteful.  70hp and 15mpUSg out of 2 1/4 liters seems a little 
>stupid when you can have 150hp and 15mpUSg, out of 302 cubic inches AND 
>have an engine that will last a whole lot longer, if driven at the same 
>speeds.
>The Iron Duke conversion is a prime example of how a little technology and 
>cubic inches makes a whole bunch of sense, if we're not talking roller 
>skate vehicles.  Somehow I think the European obsession with dinky engines 
>is/was a misplaced notion of what profligate is all about.
>
>Would anyone care to explain why Rover continues to build 2.5 liter 
>diesels when they could have a real engine with another liter or two of 
>displacement.  I know its probably government regulations and tax policy, 
>but way do they insist on that stupidity.
>
>Aloha
>Peter Ogilvie
>Kona Coffee Rover
>1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
>     from exposure of the dark side.
>1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
>1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
>196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
>     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust
>
>
>
>>From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
>>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>>To: [email-masked]
>>Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
>>Date: 27 Sep 2001 16:37:25 +0100
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 2001-09-27 at 15:17, Bill Adams wrote:
>> >
>> > The last straw was a recent trip to Syracuse during which the Rover
>> > barely made it above 35 mph on the long hills in PA whilst the 18
>> > wheelers went roaring by at 75.
>> > Nate, it's a simple equation.
>> > British horsepower = expensive, unreliable, hard to source, usually
>> > relies on American technology, leaks.
>> > American horsepower = cheap, easy to come by, lots of aftermarket
>> > support, reliable, things fit together, doesn't leak.
>>I prefer this one:
>>British Horsepower: rare, expensive, frugal
>>US horsepower: profligant, cheap
>>
>>--
>>--==++
>>Ian Stuart: Edinburgh University Data Library.
>>I build things: computer programs (with code); or cars (with metal)
>>
>>What if there were no hypothetical questions?
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Message: 48
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:25:12 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/27/01 5:24:07 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>Nahh, I want the PowerStroke they put into the F Series

only problem is the physical size and weight, it probably weighs in at around 
900lbs, and is bigger than a big block, might as well put in an EFI 460 (7.5L)

adam

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Message: 49
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:27:12 -0700
Subject: [lro] Crate Engines
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For those who might want to buy a prebuilt performance engine check out
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/crate851.html

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Message: 50
Date: 27 Sep 2001 16:53:26 -0500
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] rubber side window gasket?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Any one know where to find the rubber gasket that holds flat
automotive glass in place on sheet metal panels? I have the flat
no-glass van sides on my hardtop and want to put windows in to it...
any suggestions would be welcome...
thanks
George

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Message: 51
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 01 13:52:14 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The last straw was a recent trip to Syracuse during which the Rover
>barely made it above 35 mph on the long hills in PA whilst the 18
>wheelers went roaring by at 75.

Been elsewhere, done that repeatedly over many a year.  The interesting 
part was in Utah where some highways have a posted minimum speed limit 
and you can not even get close to the posted minimum limit.

My last straw was in Wyoming when a a pair of 18 wheelers going much 
faster than I (My LR was at max speed) came up from behind & passed going 
into a gentle blind curve.  There was an 18 wheeler coming up from the 
front as well.  The first 18 wheeler passing me had lots of safe space.  
The second one who did not see the oncoming 18 wheeler was not going to 
make it.  Rather than get a close up view of what happens when two 18 
wheelers try to occupy the same space with a combined speed of around 130 
MPH, I decided that it was a good time to go offroading at speed and made 
a 20 degree or so course change into the field.  The passing 18 wheeler 
pulled into the lane I was occupying barely in time to avoid a head on.

I on the other hand was very pleased to note that there was not a 
drainage ditch alongside the road and I had space to safely come to a 
stop.  It was one heck of a test on the suspension and my packing 
techniques though.  I'm sure if I wasn't belted in I would have whacked 
my head a good one on the roof.

This was just one of countless times when a much faster vehicle came up 
from behind and passed on a blind curve or near the top of a hill.  But 
as I sat there out in the field mentally recovering I finally decided 
that a more powerful engine equals safer driving.

Personally I think Bill is doing the safe thing.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Message: 52
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] rubber side window gasket?
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:59:35 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What about an arrangement similar to how alpine windows are set into the
sheet metal of the tropical tops?  I think RN sells that rubber stripping by
the foot - and has 2 components: the main rubber seal and a rubber filler
that holds everything in place.  That'd probably be my first try.

Rich
'60 SII 109sw

----- Original Message -----
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: [lro] rubber side window gasket?

>
> Any one know where to find the rubber gasket that holds flat
> automotive glass in place on sheet metal panels? I have the flat
> no-glass van sides on my hardtop and want to put windows in to it...
> any suggestions would be welcome...
> thanks
> George
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Message: 53
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:02:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] rubber side window gasket?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 27 Sep 2001, george kase wrote:

:
:Any one know where to find the rubber gasket that holds flat
:automotive glass in place on sheet metal panels? I have the flat
:no-glass van sides on my hardtop and want to put windows in to it...
:any suggestions would be welcome...

Er, an auto glass supplier?  I'm pretty sure JC whitless sells stuff like
this, as well.

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Message: 54
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:25:05 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: John Karlsson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] rubber side window gasket?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I installed my alpine windows with material I got from JCW.  They have 
several varieties illustrated in their catalog.  I made a tool out of a 
large cotter pin to insert the rubber locking bead.  Five years later, and 
no leaks.  (Well, not from the alpine windows, anyway!)

John

At 06:02 PM 9/27/01, you wrote:

>On 27 Sep 2001, george kase wrote:
>
>:
>:Any one know where to find the rubber gasket that holds flat
>:automotive glass in place on sheet metal panels? I have the flat
>:no-glass van sides on my hardtop and want to put windows in to it...
>:any suggestions would be welcome...
>
>Er, an auto glass supplier?  I'm pretty sure JC whitless sells stuff like
>this, as well.
>
>
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Message: 55
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:44:01 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: Land Rovers <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] sighting in Culver City, CA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Saw my 2nd ever Series truck in West Los Angeles/Culver City today.  1st is
a tan 109 soft top I see regularly in Santa Monica.  The owner appears to
have a 1,000 yard stare or a stiff neck as he never seems to look around.

The truck I saw today was a green 88" with a limestone hard top.  I think it
was a III, but I was so startled I didn't get a good look.   Anyway, nice to
see another Series whoever you are.

Jeff

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Message: 56
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Fixing up a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:11:39 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> >Nahh, I want the PowerStroke they put into the F Series
>
> only problem is the physical size and weight, it probably weighs in at
around
> 900lbs, and is bigger than a big block, might as well put in an EFI 460
(7.5L)
> adam

Yes it does weigh 928 pounds, and it is a 7.5 liter engine.  500 ft.lbs. @
1600rpm.  Don't think it matters how much it weighs.  As far as physical
size, I don't see how it's that much larger then a 460.  I didn't look at
them side by side, but the Power Stroke didn't look that much larger then
any other big block.

I would prefer a Duramax, 20lb more torque and weighs 100lbs less, has a
much flater power curve from 1500-3000 rpms it's over the 500 mark....but
it's a GMC and don't think Ford will be able to get them.

Pete

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Message: 57
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] sourcing swivel grease...
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:25:22 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Useless info:

I actually used 90 wt on one side, grease on the other for a while, before I
fixed the axle swivel.

Both sides filled up with water and blew the heck out of the bearings. The
side that BLEW was the grease side, taking a stub axle, warn hub, nearly a
brake drum and backing plate with it.

MY advice?

Stay out of the swamps ;-)

J-L (90 wt or grease, why can't we get along?)

Interestingly,
----- Original Message -----
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:33 AM
Subject: [lro] sourcing swivel grease...

>
> Hello,
> I am well aware of the debate concerning grease vs. 90 wt. I have
> made up my mind on the side of grease...so I am looking for guidance
> from a fellow "non-90 wt." user... I seem to recall someone mentioning
> an actual number denoting a softer form of grease...has anyone actually
> done this? Again, I'm not looking to re-start an old debate...just looking
> for information...
> thanks again,
> George
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