Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #92 - 56 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: RE: movies (Steve Mace)
   2. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   3. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (John Cranfield)
   4. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   5. Disco anti theft radio ([email-masked])
   6. RE: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Easton Trevor A)
   7. RE: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   8. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (David Scheidt)
   9. RE: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Tackley, John)
  10. RE: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Easton Trevor A)
  11. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  12. Rant follow-up and the 4r's (Rob MacCormick)
  13. re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories (Fred Herman)
  14. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (David Scheidt)
  15. Re: Brake bleeding a 67 IIa (Mark Pilkington)
  16. Re: re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories (Bryan Hoult)
  17. Re: re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories (Mark Pilkington)
  18. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners ([email-masked])
  19. Re: Disco anti theft radio (Tate Crumbley)
  20. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  21. Re: Rant follow-up and the 4r's (Holger Mootz)
  22. Re: re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories (Bryan Hoult)
  23. Re: Rant follow-up and the 4r's (Bill Fishel)
  24. Re: re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories (Mark Pilkington)
  25. Re: Rant follow-up and the 4r's (John Cranfield)
  26. LR's and some young ladies (Scott Wickham)
  27. Swivel housing - 1994 Disco NAS (Jeremy)
  28. Re: LR's and some young ladies ([email-masked])
  29. Re: LR's and some young ladies ([email-masked])
  30. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Jim Hall)
  31. RE: LR's and some young ladies (Matt Peckham)
  32. Re: US flags and soap (Frank Elson)
  33. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Scott Wickham)
  34. RE: LR's and some young ladies (Easton Trevor A)
  35. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Scott Wickham)
  36. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Frank Elson)
  37. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Frank Elson)
  38. Re: Swivel housing - 1994 Disco NAS (Frank Elson)
  39. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Frank Elson)
  40. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (John Cranfield)
  41. Re: LR's and some young ladies (N Forbes)
  42. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (N Forbes)
  43. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (Dick Joltes)
  44. Re: LR's and some young ladies ([email-masked])
  45. took the plunge aka Parabolics ([email-masked])
  46. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Scott Wickham)
  47. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Scott Wickham)
  48. Re: bloody idjuts with big spanners (David Scheidt)
  49. Re: LR's and some young ladies ([email-masked])
  50. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Russ Wilson)
  51. Re: LR's and some young ladies ([email-masked])
  52. dimmer switch (Monty Brandenberg)
  53. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Alex Maiolo)
  54. Re: took the plunge aka Parabolics (Alex Maiolo)
  55. seats ([email-masked])
  56. Re: LR's and some young ladies (Rich & Lori Williams)

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Message: 1
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:27:55 +0100
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: movies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 17 Sep 2001, at 6:12, James G.Wolf wrote:

> 6^0.

What does that mean then? Is it rude? :-)
Steve

1993 D90 Red
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Message: 2
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 06:33:55 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Dippy sod...it ain't bled but don't argue.....8*)

Go to any good auto-parts store and they should be able to source you a
bleed screw - those are pretty common. Take one from another cylinder as a
reference if you can (block the brake pedal down to prevent fluid flow, or
clamp the brake line).

Another way to do this is to loosen the connection to the brake line at the
cylinder - the air can then seep out around the threads. Not terribly
efficient but it works.

Lastly, you might want to think about replacing the cylinder. I'll be
surprised if that thing comes out without damage to the threading - and new
ones are not all that expensive (think Dave Gage has them for less than
$20...).

                        ajr

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:00:09 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>.
  Next step is, of course, a new
> bleed screw
> and the inevitable removal of the broken one 

Admit defeat before the hassles start. Get a new wheel cylinder now.
In 20 odd years of wrenching on LandRovers  I have never succeded in
removing a broken bleed screw though I have wasted many many hours
trying.
John and Muddy

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Message: 4
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:10:52 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Admit defeat before the hassles start.

Or declare victory and celebrate with a new wheel cylinder? 8*)

Agreed - never had any luck with 'em, as the differential corrosion usually
welds the little sods in place pretty thoroughly.

Honestly, I've tanken to putting a tiny smear of copper-ease on the threads
on bleed screws when I do brake work. This helps in 2 ways:

1) prevents the ineviable stuck bleedscrew and resulting follies.
2) Seals the threads for easier vacuum bleeding

As that area isn't bathed in brake fluid or really part of the hydraulic
circuit I feel pretty sanguine about doing that. There's no chance of
petroleum grease contamination of seals, as the seals don't protrude into
that area.

Speaking of seals, anyone got a good hint as to where I can pick up rubber
seals for a hydraulic jack? The stubby 1.5 tonner I use for my caravan has
sprung a leak around the pump piston - hardened seal. It's just a flat belt
of neoprene - replacement is essentially pull the piston and slide the seal
home - but I'm not sure where to find such a weird and wonderful thing.
Frankly my first inclination is to chuck the sodding cylinder in the lathe
and turn grooves for O-rings.....8*)

                  ajr

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Message: 5
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:15:07 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Disco anti theft radio
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Good Morning:

I had my son post the question about the code for the anti theft radio for 
the disco.
I have the code but am making some sort of error any help will be apprecitated

Thank You
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 Disco

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Message: 6
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:11:36 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What size is the seal groove now? A standard V packing may fit. For a quasi
static application like this it wouldn't even matter if the fit was not
perfect (So long as it was tight enough to seal)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:11 AM
> To:	[email-masked]
> Subject:	Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
> 
> 
> >Admit defeat before the hassles start.
> 
> Or declare victory and celebrate with a new wheel cylinder? 8*)
> 
> Agreed - never had any luck with 'em, as the differential corrosion
> usually
> welds the little sods in place pretty thoroughly.
> 
> Honestly, I've tanken to putting a tiny smear of copper-ease on the
> threads
> on bleed screws when I do brake work. This helps in 2 ways:
> 
> 1) prevents the ineviable stuck bleedscrew and resulting follies.
> 2) Seals the threads for easier vacuum bleeding
> 
> As that area isn't bathed in brake fluid or really part of the hydraulic
> circuit I feel pretty sanguine about doing that. There's no chance of
> petroleum grease contamination of seals, as the seals don't protrude into
> that area.
> 
> Speaking of seals, anyone got a good hint as to where I can pick up rubber
> seals for a hydraulic jack? The stubby 1.5 tonner I use for my caravan has
> sprung a leak around the pump piston - hardened seal. It's just a flat
> belt
> of neoprene - replacement is essentially pull the piston and slide the
> seal
> home - but I'm not sure where to find such a weird and wonderful thing.
> Frankly my first inclination is to chuck the sodding cylinder in the lathe
> and turn grooves for O-rings.....8*)
> 
>                   ajr
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Message: 7
Subject: RE: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:24:30 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Re: Jacking off (or not, as it leaks so much...):

What size is the seal groove now? A standard V packing may fit. For a quasi
static application like this it wouldn't even matter if the fit was not
perfect (So long as it was tight enough to seal)

What seal groove? There isn't one. The seal is a flattish neoprene tube
that fits around the piston and in a stopped well in the top of the jack
cylinder - there is essentially nothing holding it in place. The only
sealing pressure is from compression of the tube to the sides of the
cylinder by the piston. As the seal is as hard as a crap after 30-odd years
marinating in hydraulic jack oil there isn't any sealing, per se.

This is what made me think about a modification for an O-ring, as there's
really nothing holding the seal in place other than the lateral pressure of
the piston expanding the seal. You'd almost swear this damn thing was
designed to leak.

Why am I wasting time on a 10-dollar hydraulic jack?

                                    ajr

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:37:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

:
:Speaking of seals, anyone got a good hint as to where I can pick up rubber
:seals for a hydraulic jack? The stubby 1.5 tonner I use for my caravan has
:sprung a leak around the pump piston - hardened seal. It's just a flat belt
:of neoprene - replacement is essentially pull the piston and slide the seal
:home - but I'm not sure where to find such a weird and wonderful thing.
:Frankly my first inclination is to chuck the sodding cylinder in the lathe
:and turn grooves for O-rings.....8*)

Er, Al, unless this is some sort of special jack, why not just buy a new
one?  A little bottle jack will cost you, what, $15?  Doesn't seem worth
fussing with to me.

-- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 9
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:54:55 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm wondering if a leather replacement seal would work, as the 'O' ring
repair sounds much too elegant for a jack used on just an old Land Rover?

JT/ric

Alan said:
Speaking of seals, anyone got a good hint as to where I can pick up rubber
seals for a hydraulic jack? The stubby 1.5 tonner I use for my caravan has
sprung a leak around the pump piston - hardened seal. It's just a flat belt
of neoprene - replacement is essentially pull the piston and slide the seal
home - but I'm not sure where to find such a weird and wonderful thing.
Frankly my first inclination is to chuck the sodding cylinder in the lathe
and turn grooves for O-rings.....8*)

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Message: 10
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:02:03 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Why am I wasting time on a 10-dollar hydraulic jack?
> 
>                                    
	[Easton Trevor A]  'Cos your a cheap ba***rd like me.

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Message: 11
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:19:38 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Dave writes:
Er, Al, unless this is some sort of special jack, why not just buy a new
one?  A little bottle jack will cost you, what, $15?  Doesn't seem worth
fussing with to me.

Entertainment value? That's most of it, though I have found it difficult to
find a hydraulic jack short enough to get under this damn thing's axle.
That,and I hate to give up on a piece of machinery for soething as silly as
a rubber seal - it just goes against my instincts to do so.

Problem is - with the size of tyre on this little monster nothing over
about 6 inches will go under the axle without a lot of fiddling and
fumbling - and this one is the right height (and incidentally
near-as-I-can-tell original to the caravan...).

It's mostly for fun - everything else is OK at present and I'm just
tinkering.

                        ajr

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:17:03 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Rant follow-up and the 4r's
Reply-To: [email-masked]

hello.....Good bad or indifferent I've stayed on the list and am typing
primarily to apologize for my RANT some days ago. In retrospect I was being
deluged in every format available with "news" and vented inappropriately
towards the list at something I'd describe as the straw that broke the camels
back. That "something" was an exchange that was taken by me as inapropriate for
a forum like this. That's my story, its not an excuse, its an explanation, and
I'm sticking to it.

Now.....As for fixing things rather than replacing them.....It depends.....I've
got a '93 Honda Accord that runs fine and serves its purpose......If I had a
major problem that arose would I consider replacing it........Perhaps.....I
also have a '68 landrover.....I can assure you replacement would be a last
resort....I think that every repair vs. replace scenario regardless of size
depends on the circumstances (ie case by case) and where you're at with regard
to use of resources (time/$/landfill space/recyclability/raw materials used for
replacement/??)

As for Alan's jack - I say fix it so it will work if needed

refuse
reduce
reuse
recylcle

Rob MacCormick

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Message: 13
From: "Fred Herman" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:20:03 -0400
Subject: [lro] re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I bought an SIIa with a Euro 6 in the usual bad shape.  I replaced it with a 
GM 250 straight six.  It is a worthy conversion.  If you combine this engine 
with an overdrive transmission you can travel at highway speeds and still 
hear yourself think.

In addition to the engine you need to use the GM radiator.  The LR rad is to 
thick and you won't have clearance for the pulleys.  I got the engine from 
Jasper.  It was a factory rebuild.

If you live in the US or somewhere GM engines are common, this is the only 
way to go.  Parts prices are dirt cheap, compared to LR, and any mechanic 
can work on the engine if you don't have the time or inclination.

Fred Herman

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:22:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

:
:Dave writes:
:>>
:Er, Al, unless this is some sort of special jack, why not just buy a new
:one?  A little bottle jack will cost you, what, $15?  Doesn't seem worth
:fussing with to me.
:>>
:
:Entertainment value? That's most of it, though I have found it difficult to
:find a hydraulic jack short enough to get under this damn thing's axle.
:That,and I hate to give up on a piece of machinery for soething as silly as
:a rubber seal - it just goes against my instincts to do so.
:
:Problem is - with the size of tyre on this little monster nothing over
:about 6 inches will go under the axle without a lot of fiddling and
:fumbling - and this one is the right height (and incidentally
:near-as-I-can-tell original to the caravan...).

Try your local bearing factor.  they may not have the seal, but they should
know who would.  There is also anti-leak jack oil, which is supposed to stop
leaks due to dried seals.

-- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:09:32 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake bleeding a 67 IIa
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Both John Cranfield and John Tackley were exactly right.  I had the connection springs
between the shoes and not from the shoe to the retaining peg on the backplate. I simply
removed all the wheels and moved the spring and suddenly had brakes.  I went for the
first drive in a topless, seatless, fenderless Series IIa. Short exhausts coming out of
each side of the 5.7 liter Chevy V8 were very loud and anti-social.  I took it up a hill
and gunned it and went up through all the gears as it accelerated. It has larger wheel
arches, Defender rubber fenders, rearched springs and a substantial lift.  It is on huge
"mudder" Type tires. I will put a more subtle muffler system on it soon, and there is a
lot of tidying and painting to do. The good thing is that there is no rust as it lived
in California all it's life and is a LHD, but it is old and dirty.  But it now drives
and so has become a "rolling restoration"
Thanks for all the brake advice.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington.

John Cranfield wrote:

> Have you installed the upper brake springs beween the shoes. If so this
> is your problem. It is only the shoe that has the adjuster that has the
> spring attached. The other end of the spring is hooked to a peg behind
> the opposite shoe.
> John and Muddy
>
> Mark Pilkington wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to ask the same question again, but I have just replaced all the brake parts
> > in a 67 Series IIa 88 and cannot get the air out. Single line non-boosted system,
> > stock. New slaves all round, new shoes, new lines and a new CB Type master. no
> > leaks anywhere, but I CANNOT bleed it. All kinds of people have all kinds of
> > theories that "have worked every time" but not this time. it will pump up with
> > about 10 fast strokes and then if you keep the pressure on it will hold and not
> > fade, but if you release the pedal and press it again, it will go to the floor. No
> > leaks and the Master is NEW. It is the same problem I had a few months ago that I
> > never fixed because the tiny little 327 was being removed to be replaced by a 350
> > and the brakes went on hold for a while. Any advice?  I even lifted the front of
> > the vehicle about 3 feet and tried bleeding it to no avail.  The method I am using
> > is the pump and bleed into a jar of brake fluid method.
> > Thanks.
> > Kind regards,
> > Mark Pilkington
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 16
Date: 18 Sep 2001 09:14:13 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 18 September 2001, "Fred Herman" wrote:

>.... I replaced it with a 
>GM 250 straight six.  It is a worthy >conversion.  If you combine this >engine with an overdrive transmission >you can travel at highway speeds and >still hear yourself think.

How's the tranny holding up to the 250?

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:31:44 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Interesting that you mention the tranny holding up to the 250 Chevy.  This was formost in my thoughts as I got the 350 powered Series IIa going.  The last owner used to run a Chevy
327 in it and it had been in it since new.  He was not nice to it at all and made a point of telling me about it.  With it in the parts I inherited, were 4 sand tires, which were
land rover rims cut in half and welded to a wide tube effectively extending the wheel outwards two feet, The tires are rear dragster tires and they bolt on as usual.  I trashed
these at once as I have no interest in them, but he used to put 10 lbs in these tires and ran the Land Rover up a 100 ft sand dune at full power in three gears.  He repeatedly
twisted the end off drive shafts, I have them here but the tranny lasted well.  I was worried about the tranny, but the test drive yesterday showed that all gears work and it does
not jump out on the overrun. The tranny must be hellishly strong.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington
Quite a few Land Rovers.

Bryan Hoult wrote:

> On Tue, 18 September 2001, "Fred Herman" wrote:
>
> >.... I replaced it with a
> >GM 250 straight six.  It is a worthy >conversion.  If you combine this >engine with an overdrive transmission >you can travel at highway speeds and >still hear yourself think.
>
> How's the tranny holding up to the 250?
>
> Bryan
> 62 88
> 70 109 "Genie"
>
> ________________________________________________
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Message: 18
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:47:41 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/18/01 8:13:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> Speaking of seals, anyone got a good hint as to where I can pick up rubber
> 

Hi Al,

I've found the local Pep Boys has a large (if not inconsistent) supply of 
various shaped O-rings.  I've always been able to find a match.

Nate

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:57:07 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Tate Crumbley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco anti theft radio
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If you enter the wrong code several times, the radio will "lock out" 
further attempts until it's had power for a certain time (like an hour or a 
few). Write me if you want me to look up specifics in my 98 owners manual.

Tate

At 08:15 AM 9/18/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>Good Morning:
>
>I had my son post the question about the code for the anti theft radio for
>the disco.
>I have the code but am making some sort of error any help will be apprecitated
>
>
>Thank You
>Dave Walls
>1965 IIa88
>1996 Disco
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked]
>http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 20
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:11:41 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Re: Pep Boys:

So does Richer Engineering....8*)

Just didn't feel like recutting the pump bore.

                  ajr

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Message: 21
From: "Holger Mootz" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Rant follow-up and the 4r's
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:47:59 +0200
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes, yes, absolutely right!
I also hate to throw things away, because of little defects. I think there
is no sense to see things in a cost/effectivity relation. If things are well
engineered, they don't break. If things of inferior design break, like a
hydraulic jack, and you can fix or even improve them, it gives you that kind
of satisfaction that makes you smile every time you use that thing. I got a
spill winch on my landy, but the drivetrain is missing. So a friend asked me
why not to put in an electric motor. So he made a driveshaft and 2:1
beltdrive  that fits a fat Bosch truck starter to the winch, and gave it to
me as a birthday present a year ago. I think its better than the original
design, i can even use it to lift the engine out if necessary. Buying a warn
winch would be half that fun.
We live in a buy-and-throw-away world. Nowadays they put chrome on
fourwheelers. A new model every year. Which off road vehicles had only
minimal changes during the last years? The Defender and the Mercedes G.
Which are the most durable and reliable offroaders? The Defender and the
Mercedes G. Guess why. Throwing away a hydraulic jack with a broken gasket
is like buying a new Nissan Patrol and junk your old Land Rover. It's a
question of philosophy.

Holger Mootz
Trier Germany

VIVOS VOCO MORTVOS PLANGO FVLGVRA FRANGO

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Message: 22
Date: 18 Sep 2001 10:45:15 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 18 September 2001, Mark Pilkington wrote:
 
>Interesting that you mention the >tranny holding up to the 250 Chevy.  >This was formost in my thoughts as I >got the 350 powered Series IIa going.  

You know, based on anecdotal information that's kicked around here and on other message boards, this has to be one of the most statically variable pieces of Series data.  I am building a 300 ci chev six based on a bored over 250 using a 292 crank for my 109.  I love chev small block V8's, but I like the way the six develops torque lower in the rpm range, and believe that will work better for my intended use of the 109.  I have been looking into transmission alternatives to the suffix D that I have in the truck, as most folks I talk to feel that the engine's torque output will toast the tranny.  On one hand, I'm thinking about just getting a Scotty's and seeing what happens, if not for my own edification, the benefit of my LR family.  On the other, Scotty's adapters aren't free and I could put that money into a transmission that I know will handle the six - sm465 or NV4500, for instance.  

My own experience with the series trannies includes the suffix A that came with my 62 88.   It was totally trashed, but I have no way of knowing how many miles were on it when it met me.  My guess is somewhere around 200K.

I'd love to know if anyone has substantive comparison data regarding the components in the II/IIa transmissions that would indicate if they were potentially suited for higher torque engines (over 180 lb/ft).

As always, thanks for the help.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 23
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Rant follow-up and the 4r's
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:59:07 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

So what I'm hearing hear is that just because my wife has a broken arm I should keep her anyhow?
Bill Fishel

----------
> From: Holger Mootz <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Rant follow-up and the 4r's
> Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:47 PM
> 
> 
> Yes, yes, absolutely right!
> I also hate to throw things away, because of little defects. I think there
> is no sense to see things in a cost/effectivity relation. If things are well
> engineered, they don't break. If things of inferior design break, like a
> hydraulic jack, and you can fix or even improve them, it gives you that kind
> of satisfaction that makes you smile every time you use that thing. I got a
> spill winch on my landy, but the drivetrain is missing. So a friend asked me
> why not to put in an electric motor. So he made a driveshaft and 2:1
> beltdrive  that fits a fat Bosch truck starter to the winch, and gave it to
> me as a birthday present a year ago. I think its better than the original
> design, i can even use it to lift the engine out if necessary. Buying a warn
> winch would be half that fun.
> We live in a buy-and-throw-away world. Nowadays they put chrome on
> fourwheelers. A new model every year. Which off road vehicles had only
> minimal changes during the last years? The Defender and the Mercedes G.
> Which are the most durable and reliable offroaders? The Defender and the
> Mercedes G. Guess why. Throwing away a hydraulic jack with a broken gasket
> is like buying a new Nissan Patrol and junk your old Land Rover. It's a
> question of philosophy.
> 
> Holger Mootz
> Trier Germany
> 
> VIVOS VOCO MORTVOS PLANGO FVLGVRA FRANGO
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:06:04 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] re:Interested in GM Engine conversion stories
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Regarding torque, but with no specific figures, I tested my Series II Tranny with the 350 Chvy V8 by pulling away at idle in 4th with three people in it in high range.  It did it well and hardly juddered at all.  I added power and she went all the way to 50 like an automatic.  No more than 50 at the moment because I do not trust her yet.  She was keen though.  Anecdotal I know, but potentailly informative.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Bryan Hoult wrote:

> On Tue, 18 September 2001, Mark Pilkington wrote:
>
> >Interesting that you mention the >tranny holding up to the 250 Chevy.  >This was formost in my thoughts as I >got the 350 powered Series IIa going.
>
> You know, based on anecdotal information that's kicked around here and on other message boards, this has to be one of the most statically variable pieces of Series data.  I am building a 300 ci chev six based on a bored over 250 using a 292 crank for my 109.  I love chev small block V8's, but I like the way the six develops torque lower in the rpm range, and believe that will work better for my intended use of the 109.  I have been looking into transmission alternatives to the suffix D that I have in the truck, as most folks I talk to feel that the engine's torque output will toast the tranny.  On one hand, I'm thinking about just getting a Scotty's and seeing what happens, if not for my own edification, the benefit of my LR family.  On the other, Scotty's adapters aren't free and I could put that money into a transmission that I know will handle the six - sm465 or NV4500, for instance.
>
> My own experience with the series trannies includes the suffix A that came with my 62 88.   It was totally trashed, but I have no way of knowing how many miles were on it when it met me.  My guess is somewhere around 200K.
>
> I'd love to know if anyone has substantive comparison data regarding the components in the II/IIa transmissions that would indicate if they were potentially suited for higher torque engines (over 180 lb/ft).
>
> As always, thanks for the help.
>
> Bryan
> 62 88
> 70 109 "Genie"
>
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:31:52 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Rant follow-up and the 4r's
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It seems to depend on just how bad the break is. 
Likely if is just a minor stress fracture you should keep her but if
amputation seems necessary it would be better to cut your losses and get
a new one.
John and Muddy

Bill Fishel wrote:
> 
> So what I'm hearing hear is that just because my wife has a broken arm I should keep her anyhow?
> Bill Fishel
> 
> ----------

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Message: 26
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:13:42 -0400
Subject: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  I just *accidentally* stumbled upon a web site that has a shot of 3
partially nude women.  In the backround is a white Defender with a headache
rack and a flat bed on the rear.  I have the link if anybody wants to take a
peek.  I thought it was pretty funny but, I didn't want to post it since
this is mixed company here.  I'd think they're Aussie babes as I've never
seen a LR like this anywhere in the States.

Scooter

Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.

-Bill Fishel 2001.

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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:27:08 -0600
From: Jeremy <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Swivel housing - 1994 Disco NAS
Reply-To: [email-masked]

anyone know the specific size of the fill plug on a 1994 Disco NAS?  I need
to put in the grease upgrade, and I need to know what size socket to get
for my air ratchet...

-j

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:34:04 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Scotty:

I am lonley send the link

Dave
1965IIa88
1996 disco

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Message: 29
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:38:10 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

accidentally my ass! : )

adam

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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:52:25 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

This isn't going to turn into one of those oil vs grease debates is it;)

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Scotty:
> 
> I am lonley send the link
> 

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 31
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:51:42 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

funny, I asked for a diagram on lacing up the hood on a lightweight and some
member gladly sent me a photo of a FFN chick in the bed of an 88.  Luckily,
I was able to scrutinize it closely to discern the correct way to put the
top on.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Wickham [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 4:14 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] LR's and some young ladies

  I just *accidentally* stumbled upon a web site that has a shot of 3
partially nude women.  In the backround is a white Defender with a headache
rack and a flat bed on the rear.  I have the link if anybody wants to take a
peek.  I thought it was pretty funny but, I didn't want to post it since
this is mixed company here.  I'd think they're Aussie babes as I've never
seen a LR like this anywhere in the States.

Scooter

Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.

-Bill Fishel 2001.
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Message: 32
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] US flags and soap
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:15:12 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Scott writes:>>>MAR?  Courtney wants to buy some soap for
> Christmas gifts.<<<

soap? I might not come now...
mind you, if you don't intend to wash until Christmas...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 33
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:21:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  Your not going to believe this but, I found another Rover/girlie shot.
Granted, it's a Rover saloon but, you can see the word ROVER on the door
sill right under her, ahhh, viscous coupling if you know what I mean ;)

Scooter

Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.

-Bill Fishel 2001.

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Message: 34
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'Scott Wickham '" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked] '"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:32:31 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Truly amazing what can be returned by the most innocent search ;-0 

  Your not going to believe this but, I found another Rover/girlie shot.
Granted, it's a Rover saloon but, you can see the word ROVER on the door
sill right under her, ahhh, viscous coupling if you know what I mean ;)

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Message: 35
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:40:29 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  It's a thankless job, searching for LR/girlie pics but, someone's got to
do it.  I was looking for wInch info, must of typed wEnch by mistake ;)

Scooter

Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.

-Bill Fishel 2001.

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Message: 36
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:33:19 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Al Richer spraken: >>>> Why am I wasting time on a 10-dollar hydraulic
jack?<<<

same reason I spent hours fabricating a washer for a fifteen pounds sterling
jack...
'cos we're nuts...
(but it now works)
 (but I'm so scared it might let go I daren't use it to jack up the Landy,
so I've bought another one)
(but I've still got the original one that works but I daren't use..... told
you I was nuts.....)

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 37
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:36:13 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

do you guys have screw up 'scissor' jacks over there?
only a couple of inches high when closed and 'thousands of uses around the
home'

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners

>
> Dave writes:
> >>
> Er, Al, unless this is some sort of special jack, why not just buy a new
> one?  A little bottle jack will cost you, what, $15?  Doesn't seem worth
> fussing with to me.
> >>
>
> Entertainment value? That's most of it, though I have found it difficult
to
> find a hydraulic jack short enough to get under this damn thing's axle.
> That,and I hate to give up on a piece of machinery for soething as silly
as
> a rubber seal - it just goes against my instincts to do so.
>
> Problem is - with the size of tyre on this little monster nothing over
> about 6 inches will go under the axle without a lot of fiddling and
> fumbling - and this one is the right height (and incidentally
> near-as-I-can-tell original to the caravan...).
>
> It's mostly for fun - everything else is OK at present and I'm just
> tinkering.
>
>                         ajr
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 38
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Swivel housing - 1994 Disco NAS
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:40:21 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

nice wind up, like it :-)>
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:27 PM
Subject: [lro] Swivel housing - 1994 Disco NAS

>
> anyone know the specific size of the fill plug on a 1994 Disco NAS?  I
need
> to put in the grease upgrade, and I need to know what size socket to get
> for my air ratchet...
>
> -j
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>                           heffner at darkness.net
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Message: 39
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:42:47 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

oh well, a Rover saloon, that's different, send me the link please...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Scott Wickham <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies

> 
>   Your not going to believe this but, I found another Rover/girlie shot.
> Granted, it's a Rover saloon but, you can see the word ROVER on the door
> sill right under her, ahhh, viscous coupling if you know what I mean ;)
> 
> Scooter
> 
> Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
> hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
> something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.
> 
> -Bill Fishel 2001.
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 40
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:51:46 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

We got em.
John and Muddy

Frank Elson wrote:
> 
> do you guys have screw up 'scissor' jacks over there?
> only a couple of inches high when closed and 'thousands of uses around the
> home'
> 
> Best Cheers
> 
> Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
> 
> >
> > Dave writes:
> > >>
> > Er, Al, unless this is some sort of special jack, why not just buy a new
> > one?  A little bottle jack will cost you, what, $15?  Doesn't seem worth
> > fussing with to me.
> > >>
> >
> > Entertainment value? That's most of it, though I have found it difficult
> to
> > find a hydraulic jack short enough to get under this damn thing's axle.
> > That,and I hate to give up on a piece of machinery for soething as silly
> as
> > a rubber seal - it just goes against my instincts to do so.
> >
> > Problem is - with the size of tyre on this little monster nothing over
> > about 6 inches will go under the axle without a lot of fiddling and
> > fumbling - and this one is the right height (and incidentally
> > near-as-I-can-tell original to the caravan...).
> >
> > It's mostly for fun - everything else is OK at present and I'm just
> > tinkering.
> >
> >                         ajr
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 41
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:59:13 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well come on Scooter, stop teasing us and post some links ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 42
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:02:48 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>do you guys have screw up 'scissor' jacks over there?
>only a couple of inches high when closed and 'thousands of uses >around the 
>home'
>
>Best Cheers
>
>Frank

Yup!! Most cars come with one of those. Ford jacks are the best for making 
suspension bushing pullers/pushers.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 43
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:02:12 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well of course!  Recently I used a pair of them to jack a 4x4" gate 
post out of the earth in our rear garden.  Bloody idiot contractors
had set the thing into concrete, but a pair of scissor jacks and 2
hunks of 2x4 temporarily nailed to the sides of the post made short
work of the problem.

cheers,

dj
1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

Frank Elson wrote:
> 
> do you guys have screw up 'scissor' jacks over there?
> only a couple of inches high when closed and 'thousands of uses around the
> home'
> 
> Best Cheers
> 
> Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 44
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:03:46 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/18/01 6:02:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> Well come on Scooter, stop teasing us and post some links ;-)
> 
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

I second THAT  =)

Scott

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Message: 45
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:11:51 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] took the plunge aka Parabolics
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I ordered the  RM springs for my 109 yesterday; they come primed I was told. 
What is the best way to finish them? I live in Michigan, smack in the middle 
of the rust belt and drive the truck year around, so rust is a concern. Is 
CHEAPO (a.k.a. rustolum) rust paint good enough. I inquired about powder 
coating to RM but they said it would probably crack the first time they are 
flexed.
Any first hand finishing ideas?
Thanks
Scott 
Rochester, MI.
1968 109 Reg.

PS-out of curiosity what is the PITA factor of the springs/shocks swap?

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Message: 46
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:32:42 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 What's your email Frank?

Scooter

Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.

-Bill Fishel 2001.

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Message: 47
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:40:38 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  Ok, here's some links to girls and Rovers.  WARNING:  these links contain
nude women!  View at own risk.
http://www.publicsluts.com/publicsluts.html

  And the shot with the saloon is at:

http://www.upskirtpic.com/4199r110.htm

Scooter

Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.

-Bill Fishel 2001.

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Message: 48
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:41:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] bloody idjuts with big spanners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Frank Elson wrote:

:
:do you guys have screw up 'scissor' jacks over there?
:only a couple of inches high when closed and 'thousands of uses around the
:home'

Yeah, they exist.  I don't know where you'd get one except out of the trunk
of a car.  And I don't know why you'd want ot use one either.

-- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 49
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:03:26 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

jeez man!! you have to REALLY REALLY REALLY be into rovers to look at tiny 
vehicles in the backround when there are 3 naked women in the foreground! 
someone needs counseling : )

adam

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Message: 50
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:04:42 -0700
From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tuesday, September 18, 2001, at 04:03 PM, [email-masked] wrote:

>
> jeez man!! you have to REALLY REALLY REALLY be into rovers to look at 
> tiny
> vehicles in the backround when there are 3 naked women in the 
> foreground!
> someone needs counseling : )

You'd think that Scott would have better things to do....  He does have 
a VERY cool girlfriend (my wife's best friend) that should be keeping 
him busy.

Russ Wilson

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Message: 51
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:23:17 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>He does have a VERY cool girlfriend (my wife's best friend)<

so long as your wife doesnt hear you say that! : )

adam

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Message: 52
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:23:34 -0400
From: Monty Brandenberg <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] dimmer switch
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Years ago when I bought my '69 88", it came with the headlight
dimmer switch mounted on the dash.  I wondered why the PO had
done this and put this on my list of things to 'restore' later.
A few years ago when I replaced the chassis, this was fixed and
in so doing the demons of Lucas have truly been set loose.  I've
been through a half dozen or more dimmer switches which are
continuously jammed or otherwise rendered non-functional by
mud and water from gentle interior showers getting into the
works.  I've tried sealing in epoxy to keep the ooze from getting
in and creating openings to let it out.  Is there a fix for this
or should I follow the path of the PO?

On another track... the driver's side door top needs to be
replaced due to serious corrosion under the window channels that
have left it less than structurally sound (and also a contributor
to the 'gentle showers' above).  I have a replacement half which
will be painted.  Is this a quick-n-easy swap or is this one of
those looks-trivial jobs that can turn into a nightmare (e.g.
first time I tried to replace springs using only hand tools).

--
Monty Brandenberg, Software Consultant                             MCB, Inc.
[email-masked]                                         P.O. Box 426188
[email-masked]                             Cambridge, MA  02142-0021
617.864.6907

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Message: 53
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:24:54 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Why not, send me the link too...

-Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies

>
> oh well, a Rover saloon, that's different, send me the link please...
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Wickham <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
>
>
> >
> >   Your not going to believe this but, I found another Rover/girlie shot.
> > Granted, it's a Rover saloon but, you can see the word ROVER on the door
> > sill right under her, ahhh, viscous coupling if you know what I mean ;)
> >
> > Scooter
> >
> > Material possessions never really thrilled me. I guess its like having a
> > hammer. Owning a hammer isn't thrilling but beating the crap out of
> > something that doesn't want to cooperate is gratifying.
> >
> > -Bill Fishel 2001.
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 54
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] took the plunge aka Parabolics
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:27:23 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How about Hammerite? Used to be reaaaaal expensive over here - when you
could *find* it, but now Rustoleum has a paint called "Hammered Finish."
We all know what it really is...

Works like ten things that work really well. That stuff's all OVER my frame.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: [lro] took the plunge aka Parabolics

>
> I ordered the  RM springs for my 109 yesterday; they come primed I was
told.
> What is the best way to finish them? I live in Michigan, smack in the
middle
> of the rust belt and drive the truck year around, so rust is a concern. Is
> CHEAPO (a.k.a. rustolum) rust paint good enough. I inquired about powder
> coating to RM but they said it would probably crack the first time they
are
> flexed.
> Any first hand finishing ideas?
> Thanks
> Scott
> Rochester, MI.
> 1968 109 Reg.
>
> PS-out of curiosity what is the PITA factor of the springs/shocks swap?
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Message: 55
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:50:12 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] seats
Reply-To: [email-masked]

HI All,
I am asking if anyone has two deluxe seat backs for the center seats in 
S11a/S111.
Don't have to come from the same owner.  I know several of you have moved 
over to cubby boxes.  If you wish to part with the seat backs, let me know.  
Can collect at MAR.

Tom Bache
Avondale, PA

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Message: 56
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR's and some young ladies
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:21:57 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

One day I was surfing the web looking at various LR owner's sites when I can
across a black and white photo of a few ladies on the bonnet of a Series
truck.  Looked like they were out for a day of fun on the trails in their
LR - oh, and they forgot to bring their clothes!  Maybe someday I'll
remember to bookmark these things - or not.

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