Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #88 - 40 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Today's Tragedies (Frank Elson)
   2. Re: Today's Tragedies (Frank Elson)
   3. on topic: smoking diesel: problem located! (Holger Mootz)
   4. Re: Brakes on my Disco (Jeremy)
   5. RE: Series Starter Solonoids - Choices? (Keith Elliott)
   6. Re: Knee jerk reaction (Bill Fishel)
   7. RE: Today's Tragedies (Scott Lambert)
   8. Re: Series Starter Solonoids - Choices? (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   9. Re: Series Starter Solonoids - Choices? (Dick Joltes)
  10. Re: Radio mounts (M. Tompkins)
  11. layshaft bearing outer race removal (William J. Rice)
  12. Re: layshaft bearing outer race removal ([email-masked])
  13. Painting the Land-Rover ([email-masked])
  14. Duceller (sp?) tuneup & Sunday off road trip in Sooke (Paul Quin)
  15. Re: Knee jerk reaction (G. Mugele)
  16. lro] Knee jerk reaction ([email-masked])
  17. Re: Radio mounts (Harald Hansen)
  18. Re: Knee jerk reaction (Paul)
  19. Re: Knee jerk reaction (Paul)
  20. RE: Knee jerk reaction (Easton Trevor A)
  21. Re: Radio mounts ([email-masked])
  22. RE: Knee jerk reaction (N Forbes)
  23. IIb x-fer case swap (Monika & Steve Rochna)
  24. springs (William L Leacock)
  25. Re: Series Starter Solonoids - Choices?  FIXED! (Nick Danger)
  26. Petrol tank question ([email-masked])
  27. Re: Re: Today's Tragedies (Peter Ogilvie)
  28. Re: Petrol tank question (N Forbes)
  29. Re: Petrol tank question ([email-masked])
  30. Re: IIb x-fer case swap (John Cranfield)
  31. Re: Petrol tank question (John Cranfield)
  32. Re: Petrol tank question (G. Mugele)
  33. Re: Petrol tank question (Nick Danger)
  34. Re: Petrol tank question (John Karlsson)
  35. Re: Petrol tank question (N Forbes)
  36. (no subject) (Chris Oles)
  37. Re: (no subject) ([email-masked])
  38. Re: Petrol tank question (Peter Ogilvie)
  39. the aftermath (aaron)
  40. Re: Knee jerk reaction (S. Vels)

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Message: 1
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:14:05 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a Stars and Stripes sticker on the back of PKV (thanks, George
Simmons) along with my Cross of St George.

Today one of our national newspapers printed the entire back page as the
Stars and Stripes. We cut lots out and stuck them in our office windows.

At 11am we observed three minutes silence, even cars in the streets stopped.

We are all American now...

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Wickham <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies

>
> >I'm not allowing a bunch of murderous thugs to deter me from meeting my
> friends in the US,
>
>
>   Right on Frank!  I've noticed at all the rallies I go to, someone is
> flying the Union Jack, myself included.  I'll bet there are more Stars and
> Stripes at MAR this year.  I'll have both at our camp for sure.  Lots of
> flags flying here today.  On cars, trucks, homes and business.  The stores
> are running out of them.  I've never felt as proud to be an American.
>
> Scooter
>
> "I'm not a materialistic man.   A nice hammer wouldn't do it for me.  But,
> give me something to beat the hell out of with that hammer, now I'm
happy!"
>
> -Bill Fishel 2001.
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Message: 2
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:23:49 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ron writes: >>>.  See you at MAR...  We'll be the one's camped under the
enormous American flag! :-><<<

could be very hard to find you then...

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 3
From: "Holger Mootz" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:36:32 +0200
Subject: [lro] on topic: smoking diesel: problem located!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I wouldn't have guessed that: A cam follower was broken. It had a big hole,
and the pushrod jammed between the cam follower guide and the cam follower.
The whole thing was just a mess of brass debris. I rebuilt the engine a year
ago (when it had about 300kmls), but i didn't realize the totally worn cam
followers.
PS: Does anybody know a source for capstan winch drive parts in europe?
PPS: I was working on the car since monday, and had my radio on for the whole
time. 10th of september is my birthday. I think i will never forget what
happened. In ten years, when i start the old diesel, i probably will still
remember what happened the last days. Please excuse my bad english, it's hard
to find the right words in any but your own language.

Holger Mootz
Trier, Germany
All quiet on the western front

VIVOS VOCO MORTVOS PLANGO FVLGVRA FRANGO

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:48:07 -0600
From: Jeremy <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brakes on my Disco
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Even when my pads were very notably around 10-20%, wasn't on the floor.  I
KNOW I need to bleed my brake system...  I accidentially pushed the
calipers too hard when replacing the pads, have to push pretty far down.
Have you tried double-pumping the breaks to see if it presses back up
higher?  I see that happens on mine..

-j

Bill Fishel enlightened recipients with the following on 15Sep2001:
> Dave
> I replaced my pads in May and the pedal is still a long way from the floor.
> If you want a measurement let me know.
> Bill Fishel
> 
> ----------
> > From: [email-masked]
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: [lro] Brakes on my Disco
> > Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:23 AM
> > 
> > 
> > Folks
> > I was wondering if any other disco owners could answer this question. How low to the floor does your brake pedal go i seem to push almost to the floor 

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Message: 5
From: Keith Elliott <[email-masked]>
To: "'Nick Danger '" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked] '"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Series Starter Solonoids - Choices?
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:34:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My Series II has had a F&RD solonoid under the bonnet for 6 years now with
no problems.

Keith 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Danger
To: [email-masked]
Sent: 9/14/01 11:26 PM
Subject: [lro] Series Starter Solonoids - Choices?

On my way home tonight I was thinking to myself how great the rover was 
running and how I was all set to have it inspected (finally got temps
and 
gave the plates back to the PO so he can stop paying to have me drive it

around.. heh)

Well I shouldnt have. Stopped, got gas and no go. Wouldnt restart. I
guessed 
it was the starter solinoid but after pushing it away from the pump I
was 
presented with a never ending series of lound music or people vacuuming
their 
cars. Called a tow, got towed the 2 blocks to my house (was uphill so I
wasnt 
going to push it...) and sure enough, no forceful sounding 'click' when
I 
crack the key. I used a jumper cable to + on the starter and sure enough
it 
whirred (only did it for a fraction of a second tho) I will check the 
positive lead and make sure its getting voltage and should click in the
AM. 

Assuming this all proves to be as expected, it is the starter
solonoid,is 
there a better then Lucas replacement? Its a later lucas type. I almost
wish 
it was the one with the push button override, would love to have pressed
the 
button from the engine compartement instead of having to reach in the
window 
to key start. I can call RN/BP/AB but I'd like to stop at the local NAPA
if I 
could.

Annoyingly, I couldnt get the hand crank to start it. But then I didnt
try 
too hard and I had a crowd staring at me. Must have been performance
anxiety 
:-)

-Nick
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Message: 6
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:23:49 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes but the use of metal utensils have been banned. Plastic will be used from now on.
Bill Fishel

----------
> From: Paul Quin <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:02 AM
> 
> 
> Will meals still be served with a knife and fork?
> 
> Paul.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Marin Faure" <[email-masked]>
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > I found it rather humorous that the airlines were ordered yesterday to
> > remove the sissors from the first aid kits on all their airplanes.  On
> many
> > aircraft, the first aid kit is stowed right next to the crash ax.  There
> > have been no orders to remove the crash ax.
> >
> >
> > ________________________
> > C. Marin Faure
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Message: 7
From: "Scott Lambert" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:37:17 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Frank said;

> We are all American now...

Humanity knows no borders.....

Scott Lambert
Kennebunk, Me

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Message: 8
Subject: Re: [lro] Series Starter Solonoids - Choices?
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:14:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yup - there is a cheap NAPA (or anywhere else) replacement.

Generic Ford starter solenoid - circa 1970s anything.

About 5 bucks at any local auto-parts pace - only change you will end up
making is the spade lug either needs a spade-to-ring adapter or to have its
spade lug removed and a ring put on the end of the red-and-white wire.

You might need to drill another hole to mount it - the spacing is different
than the Lucas one - but they work fine electrically and can be had
anywhere.

                        ajr

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:56:21 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Series Starter Solonoids - Choices?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When Smudger's solenoid died I ended up -- on Herr Richer's advice -- 
using a Ford
Maverick unit and it worked as stated.  The bloody mounting holes were 
even still
usable.  $8.99 at a local Pep Boys, change the spade lug, and Bob's yer 
uncle.  
Works great.

The only detraction is that whereas the old solly's high-amp lugs stuck 
straight up
about 2.5" apart (thus shortable with a heavy screwdriver for emergency 
starts)
the Ford's lugs are on opposite sides, making this trick a bit harder.

dj

1974 SIII Airportable, "Smudger"

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

>Yup - there is a cheap NAPA (or anywhere else) replacement.
>
>Generic Ford starter solenoid - circa 1970s anything.
>
>About 5 bucks at any local auto-parts pace - only change you will end up
>making is the spade lug either needs a spade-to-ring adapter or to have its
>spade lug removed and a ring put on the end of the red-and-white wire.
>
>You might need to drill another hole to mount it - the spacing is different
>than the Lucas one - but they work fine electrically and can be had
>anywhere.
>
>                        ajr
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:29:52 -0400
From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
Organization: M&M Stained Glass
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Radio mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Harald Hansen wrote:

> I've now got a radio cassette, a CD changer unit and a CB radio to stuff
> somewhere in the 109.  As there's no room in the center console, I've
> tought about making a shelf over the windshield.  If anybody has made
> something like this, would they care to comment on how it works in real life?

I did this in my 109 SW. Have my radio mounted in a plastic 'under-dash'
enclosure on a board resting on the side trim. The board is
10 1/8" wide, 54 1/2" long and 3/4" thick. I routed a 1" wide and 1/4"
deep channel 5/8" from each end and these channels sit over the trim.
I even mounted speakers in the board. Just cut out circles and mounted
them. I also cut a couple of 2" circles out of the board above where
the radio is mounted to allow for ease in wiring and for heat to escape the
enclosure.  I can take some pictures and put them on my web site if
needed.

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/

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Message: 11
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:27:19 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] layshaft bearing outer race removal
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hey folks,
I understand I can drill a hole in the back of the gearbox through which
I can pound this thing out. 
Where do I drill?

bill

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Message: 12
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:59:51 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] layshaft bearing outer race removal
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/15/01 11:56:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> Hey folks,
> I understand I can drill a hole in the back of the gearbox through which
> I can pound this thing out. 
> Where do I drill?
> 
> 

Bill, before doing this, try heating the back of the gearbox with a propane 
torch, then smack the backside of the gearbox with a rubber mallet.  This 
trick has worked for me.

Nate

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Message: 13
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:08:20 EDT
Subject: [lro] Painting the Land-Rover
To: [email-masked]
CC: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 09/14, Jean-Leon Morin posted:

<< Valdez, the infamous 109, requires a paint job. >>

This is one of the few times it is proper to wash your Land Rover.  

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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Message: 14
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:18:01 -0700
Subject: [lro] Duceller (sp?) tuneup & Sunday off road trip in Sooke
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Next weekend I'm going to help a buddy tune up his '69 IIA 88.  He has a
Duceller (how do you spell that?) distributor.  Are there other European
cars that share this distributor?  I'd like to be able to go to Canadian
Tyre / NAPA / Lordco and just order the points Condenser Rotor Etc over the
counter.  Most of them don't know what a IIA is, but if I ask for the parts
for an MG...

TIA

Paul in Victoria.

PS there is a group of LR owners planning a short off road trip in the hills
behind Sooke, BC on Sunday afternoon after the British car show at Fort Rodd
Hill.  If anyone (Victoria, BC area) is interested in joining in, e-mail me
off list.

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:15:03 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 9:43 PM -0700 9/14/01, C. Marin Faure wrote:
>I found it rather humorous that the airlines were ordered yesterday to
>remove the sissors from the first aid kits on all their airplanes.  On many
>aircraft, the first aid kit is stowed right next to the crash ax.  There
>have been no orders to remove the crash ax.

Gosh it feels odd to be in agreement with all the stuff you're saying Marin.

My wife is a flight attendant for United and was "stranded" in Hawaii 
all week.  She was able to come home yesterday and reported that the 
security is now boardering on the absurd.  Passengers were required 
to hand over such potential weapons as tweezers from a cosmetic case 
and nail clippers.  Even the rollups (the fork, knife and spoon 
rolled into a cloth napkin) on the meal trays had only plastic forks 
and spoons; the first class meal was steak and it had been precut. 
As anyone who has ever seen an episode of McIver knows, nearly 
anything can be used as a weapon.  The only real security would be to 
suit everyone up in straight jackets and I suspect that would 
severely cut into the desire for air travel.

LR content:  My D90 is doing something very odd with the clutch.  It 
started with the pedal sticking to the floor when I attempted to 
resume travel after stopping for traffic.  I lifted it with my toe 
and it seemed to engage normally.  At the next full stop it engaged 
with in an inch of the floor.  I checked the fluid level (at the top) 
and for leaks at the slave cylinder (dry).  I was forced to continue 
on and the symptoms vanished only to return sporadically.  I am 
suspecting a malfunction in the pressure plate (damn) but would like 
to hear any insight.  BTW in over half a million miles, my series LRs 
never had any problems with the clutch aside from occasional leaky 
hydraulics; the D90 has only 70K.

       _
     / o\_         Gerald Mugele
    /   )-- \       [email-masked]
   /    |            Glen Ellen, CA
*** "If men had wings and bore black feathers, few of them would be 
clever enough to be crows."  -- Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, mid 1800s 

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Message: 16
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:37:19 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] lro] Knee jerk reaction
Reply-To: [email-masked]

C. Marin Faure posted:  <<I found it rather humorous that the airlines were
ordered yesterday to remove the sissors from the first aid kits on all their
airplanes.  On many aircraft, the first aid kit is stowed right next to the
crash ax.  There have been no orders to remove the crash ax. >>

For every problen there is a quick and easy solution that is also wrong.

Marin has itentified one of the thousands of barn door reactions we will see
and suffer from in the coming days and years.

Please do not let us trade our hard won liberties for the illusion of
security.  (remember Germany in the 1930s?)

Paul Donohue
Land Rover Owner
Veteran
Parent
etc.

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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:49:35 +0200
To: [email-masked]
From: Harald Hansen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Radio mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 11:29 15.09.01 -0400, Mike Tompkins wrote:

[about overhead radio mounts]

>I can take some pictures and put them on my web site if
>needed.

That would be interesting.

Do you think it was a good solution?

Regards,
Harald

-- 
Harald Hansen                           #========#       1975 and 1976
SW engineer, strategy gamer, LR owner   |___|__|__\___     Land Rover
E-mail: harald74@online[DOT]no          |  _|  |   |_ |} Series III 109" 
        harald.hansen@kongsberg[DOT]com ""(_)""""""(_)"   Station Wagons

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:28:46 +0100
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <v03007805b7c88bdf7921@[206.63.38.121]>, C. Marin Faure wrote:
> I found it rather humorous that the airlines were ordered yesterday to
> remove the sissors from the first aid kits on all their airplanes.  On many
> aircraft, the first aid kit is stowed right next to the crash ax.  There
> have been no orders to remove the crash ax.
>
I find it rather less humourous to try to maintain aircraft without the aid 
of sharp objects. Like Leatherman tools. GS screwdrivers. Craft knives. Etc 
etc.

 A guy who has been an Engineer for 40 years was asked by a loader (who is on 
temporary security duties) whether he had good reason to go on board an 
aircraft. He did. He was trying to get it serviceable.
 
 And, allegedly, a security man moaned about the crowbar (prybar?) Fitted in 
the cockpit.
 
 I am all in favour of security. I dislike blatant stupidity.
 
Paul Lonsdale

EX-H.M.Coastguard SIII SWB
B895 OJT "Dougal"

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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:28:46 +0100
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, Paul Quin 
wrote:
> Will meals still be served with a knife and fork?
>
Probably blunt chopsticks only

Paul Lonsdale

EX-H.M.Coastguard SIII SWB
B895 OJT "Dougal"

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Message: 20
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'G. Mugele '" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked] '"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:31:51 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

   The only real security would be to 
suit everyone up in straight jackets and I suspect that would 
severely cut into the desire for air travel.

I suggest disposible white suits and nothing else. Cloths shoes etc go as
checked baggage.

Then someone would use the "Tyvek" to mak a garotte.

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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:28:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Radio mounts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi,

>
> Harald Hansen wrote:
>
> I've now got a radio cassette, a CD changer unit and a CB radio to stuff
> somewhere in the 109.  As there's no room in the center console, I've
> tought about making a shelf over the windshield.  If anybody has made
> something like this, would they care to comment on how it works in real life?
>

J.C. Whitney used to sell shelf kits. I don't have a catalog handy to look
and see if they make one for Rovers but the idea is fairly simple so you
could probably make up the parts.

Basically the kit consisted of a pair of brackets that fit some existing
holes (for the Cherokee you take off the sun visors). The shelf piece goes
on the brackets and then the displaced parts get attached to the shelf.

					warren

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Message: 22
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:43:21 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Someone on another list posted this link
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,248-2001320966,00.html
I think it would do a lot of people good to read it. I'm not sure if it is 
similar to the article Marin was referring to. It shows how this is a much 
more complex issue than many people seem to realise.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 23
From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <[email-masked]>
To: "Bernhard Mayr" <[email-masked]>, "Forward Control List"
  <[email-masked]>, "LRO Submissions" <[email-masked]>, "Mendo
  Submissions" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:20:28 -0700
Subject: [lro] IIb x-fer case swap
Reply-To: [email-masked]

All:

I've just got out from under my IIB.  I'm putting a SIII transfer case into
it since the gearing is higher and it no longer normally carries a heavy
load.  I've been told that this is a straight one-for-one swap.  There are
of course a few modifications required for linkeage and such but it
physically went in okay.  The problem comes when stuffing the guts back in.
The SII gearbox mainshaft had an extra long spacer aft of the oil slinger to
hold the mainshaft gear in place.  On the one-tonne and IIB x-fer box the
intermediate gear has three gear wheels one for high, one for low and one to
engage the mainshaft gear - hence the extra spacer.  It looks as though the
mainshaft itself is made differently also as the SIII mainshaft gear will
not go all the way home.  It seems as though the shaft is a bit longer and
the spline is not cut close enough to the gearbox to accomodate this swap
without cutting some of the mainshaft gear inside spline.

Is anyone out there familiar with this?  Is there a modified mainshaft gear
out there that will fit?  Were the gearboxes fitted to the one tonnes and
IIB's different from the regular SII box?  I have the radiator at the shop
and thought I'd have this done before it came back.  Live and learn.

Thanks - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV

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Message: 24
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:37:17 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jerrod writes
  Anyone with a set of good springs for sale at a
good price i.e. $150 or less??

 Craddocks has a set of Police spec springs for sale for around $75,
which plus postage will come to less than $150.

I put Police spec springs on my 89 around 4 years ago, (they cost me more
than $75 from a Rover agent!)  lifted it quite a bit since the springs I
took off were well past their best.  Another tip to save money, is to
just buy the rears and fit  the current rears on the front. HD fronts are
standard rears, so by fitting used rears to the front you end up with
something between standard and HD.

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 25
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Series Starter Solonoids - Choices?  FIXED!
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:31:09 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You guys rock. $5.99 for a solonoid, some new bolts and ring electrical 
fitting and I now have a truck that starts right up. (During the 'test' I 
barely even bumped the starter over and it she started right up.)

So now I have a happy starting truck and a much happier driver :-)

Thanks again everyone

-Nick

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Message: 26
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:53:46 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Petrol tank question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all, 

Got a small leak in the petrol tank.  Noticed it today at work.  When I do 
the swap, can it be done by just removing the cover on the seat base?  It's 
been awhile since I've done this, and I don't remember if I ended up pulling 
the seatbox too.

Thanks
Nate

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Message: 27
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Today's Tragedies
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:34:08 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You missed the point, Marin.  I was just pointing out that running away to 
hide is about as effective as sticking your head in the sand.  These 
terrorists hate the US because it is a symbol of everything that they are 
not.  Consequently, anything that is not them, is a target.  They need a 
target to hate and that is not really the US but everyone else in the world.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "C. Marin Faure" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: [lro] Re: Today's Tragedies
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:26:09 -0700
>
>
>From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:27:38 -1000
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>
> >It looks like you can rub shoulders with the terrorists.  They seem to be
>using Canada as an entry point for the US.
>
>Anyone who is truly serious about infiltrating something or somewhere will
>always be able to do it.  The fact that terrorists can or do enter the US
>from Canada is not a reflection on Canada but simply on geography.  There
>are no laws Canada could enact, and no enforcement Canada could undertake,
>that will guarantee that no terrorists can cross the border, just as there
>are no laws the US could enact and no enforcement the US could undertake
>that would completely prevent terrorists from entering the US or
>undertaking acts of terrorism once they got here.  You do the best you can,
>and that's all you can do.
>
>
>________________________
>C. Marin Faure
>   (original owner)
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>    Seattle, WA
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Message: 28
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:38:29 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nate,
I don't think that there is room to pull it out through the lid. But that's 
just from memory so I could well be wrong.

On a related note, when I fill up the Red Zit, I can smell gas. Once the 
fuel is down a bit the smell goes away. I'm suspecting a leaky filler hose. 
Does that sound right?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 29
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:43:38 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/15/01 8:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> I don't think that there is room to pull it out through the lid. But that's 
> just from memory so I could well be wrong.

Interesting point.  No, I was going to drop it out the bottom.  Only need to 
get on top for the filler, fuel gauge sender and pickup tube.  I can't 
remember if it will just drop out after removing the bolt in back and 3 in 
front.

> 
> On a related note, when I fill up the Red Zit, I can smell gas. Once the 
> fuel is down a bit the smell goes away. I'm suspecting a leaky filler hose. 
> ?

Lift out the seat and take off the cover when the tank is full.  It could 
leak at the filler neck, where the fuel gauge sender screws down or at the 
pick up tube.  It'll be obvious which it is.

Nate

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Message: 30
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:03:53 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] IIb x-fer case swap
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes the one tonne has a different main shaft so the boxes are not
readily swapable.
John and Muddy

Monika & Steve Rochna wrote:
> 
> All:
> 
> I've just got out from under my IIB.  I'm putting a SIII transfer case into
> it since the gearing is higher and it no longer normally carries a heavy
> load.  I've been told that this is a straight one-for-one swap.  There are
> of course a few modifications required for linkeage and such but it
> physically went in okay.  The problem comes when stuffing the guts back in.
> The SII gearbox mainshaft had an extra long spacer aft of the oil slinger to
> hold the mainshaft gear in place.  On the one-tonne and IIB x-fer box the
> intermediate gear has three gear wheels one for high, one for low and one to
> engage the mainshaft gear - hence the extra spacer.  It looks as though the
> mainshaft itself is made differently also as the SIII mainshaft gear will
> not go all the way home.  It seems as though the shaft is a bit longer and
> the spline is not cut close enough to the gearbox to accomodate this swap
> without cutting some of the mainshaft gear inside spline.
> 
> Is anyone out there familiar with this?  Is there a modified mainshaft gear
> out there that will fit?  Were the gearboxes fitted to the one tonnes and
> IIB's different from the regular SII box?  I have the radiator at the shop
> and thought I'd have this done before it came back.  Live and learn.
> 
> Thanks - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV
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Message: 31
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:06:31 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You don't need to pull the seat box every thing can be accessed through
the panel and the tank dropped out below.
John and Muddy

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 9/15/01 8:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
> > I don't think that there is room to pull it out through the lid. But that's
> > just from memory so I could well be wrong.
> 
> Interesting point.  No, I was going to drop it out the bottom.  Only need to
> get on top for the filler, fuel gauge sender and pickup tube.  I can't
> remember if it will just drop out after removing the bolt in back and 3 in
> front.
> 
> >
> > On a related note, when I fill up the Red Zit, I can smell gas. Once the
> > fuel is down a bit the smell goes away. I'm suspecting a leaky filler hose.
> > ?
> 
> Lift out the seat and take off the cover when the tank is full.  It could
> leak at the filler neck, where the fuel gauge sender screws down or at the
> pick up tube.  It'll be obvious which it is.
> 
> Nate
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Message: 32
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:19:15 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 7:53 PM -0400 9/15/01, [email-masked] wrote:
>Got a small leak in the petrol tank.  Noticed it today at work.  When I do
>the swap, can it be done by just removing the cover on the seat base?  It's
>been awhile since I've done this, and I don't remember if I ended up pulling
>the seatbox too.

Ya drop it out the bottom after pulling the lid to disconnect the 
sender, supply line and return and the hose to the filler.  On mine 
the filler hose was very stiff and I had to cut it off which meant 
removing its cover as well.  Not much of a job except when putting in 
the replacement tank, trying to get the bolts in while holding the 
tank in place.   I needed another couple arms and few extra hands 
wouldn't have hurt.  BTW there are a couple differences between the 
tanks on the Series IIIs and the IIa but I can't remember what they 
are.  Also US Series IIIs require a line for the vapor recovery which 
is not on UK Series IIIs.

Have fun.

       _
     / o\_         Gerald Mugele
    /   )-- \       [email-masked]
   /    |            Glen Ellen, CA
*** "If men had wings and bore black feathers, few of them would be 
clever enough to be crows."  -- Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, mid 1800s 

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Message: 33
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:21:08 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Saturday 15 September 2001 19:53, you wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Got a small leak in the petrol tank.  Noticed it today at work.  When I do
> the swap, can it be done by just removing the cover on the seat base?  It's
> been awhile since I've done this, and I don't remember if I ended up
> pulling the seatbox too.

You can unscrew most everything through the access cover, I did have to drop 
the tank before undoing one of the screws on the pickup tube I believe but I 
never had to pull the seat box.

-Nick

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Message: 34
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:49:00 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: John Karlsson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 09:19 PM 9/15/01, Gerald Mugele wrote:

>Not much of a job except when putting in the replacement tank, trying to 
>get the bolts in while holding the tank in place.   I needed another 
>couple arms and few extra hands wouldn't have hurt.

I solved this problem by sitting down and supporting the tank on my 
knees.  If I can do it with my creaky old joints, you probably won't have 
any trouble at all.

John

John Karlsson
956 Main Street
P.O. Box 1023
Hope Valley, RI  02832

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Message: 35
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:49:16 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Lift out the seat and take off the cover when the tank is full.  It
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That shouldn't be too hard, eh Bruce?  ;-)

Thanks Nate. I'll check that tomorrow.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 36
From: "Chris Oles" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:28:15 
Subject: [lro] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"I've got a 6-cylinder bell housing and would like to get my mitts on a
4-cyl one so I can assembel a healthy spare tranny so I can just do a
pull-and-swap next time I need to (instead of doing what I'm doing right
now--total dissassy of two trannys and a bellhousing swap).

Anyone got a spare 4-cyl bellhousing banging around they want to trade or 
sell or donate?

bill, back on topic (finally)"

I've got a 2a bellhousing on my old 'box that I can donate for just the cost 
of shipping.  Drop me a note off-line and we can set it up.  I'm in 
Chicago...

Chris
70 SIIa 88

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Message: 37
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:31:53 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] (no subject)
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/15/01 11:30:57 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>I've got a 2a bellhousing on my old 'box that I can donate for just the
>cost 
>of shipping.  Drop me a note off-line and we can set it up.  I'm in 
>Chicago...

Ive got one too, Im in central MA if shipping would be less ill donate mine 
too.

adam

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Message: 38
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:31:00 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Actually you can drop it out without taking off the plate, if memory serves 
me right.  Put a floor jack under the drain plug, remove the fixing bolts, 
slowly lower the tank on the jack, pull the fuel line/s and sensor wiring 
when it comes in view, drop the jack all the way and roll the tank out on 
the jack.  Reinstall is a reverse of the above.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: [email-masked]
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] Petrol tank question
>Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:43:38 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/15/01 8:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[email-masked] writes:
>
> > I don't think that there is room to pull it out through the lid. But 
>that's
> > just from memory so I could well be wrong.
>
>Interesting point.  No, I was going to drop it out the bottom.  Only need 
>to
>get on top for the filler, fuel gauge sender and pickup tube.  I can't
>remember if it will just drop out after removing the bolt in back and 3 in
>front.
>
>
> >
> > On a related note, when I fill up the Red Zit, I can smell gas. Once the
> > fuel is down a bit the smell goes away. I'm suspecting a leaky filler 
>hose.
> > ?
>
>
>Lift out the seat and take off the cover when the tank is full.  It could
>leak at the filler neck, where the fuel gauge sender screws down or at the
>pick up tube.  It'll be obvious which it is.
>
>Nate
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Message: 39
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:07:05 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: aaron <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] the aftermath
Reply-To: [email-masked]

C. Marin Faure,

Thank you for your voice of reason concerning those reactionary statements.
It is too easy to look beyond the truth and let hate breed hate.

Land Rover related,
Has anybody dealt with genuine replacement body panels. Should I 
leave the black primer that is on them, or strip it and put an etch 
primer on it?

Thanks,
Aaron Mount
69 88 in a thousand pieces

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Message: 40
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:00:12 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Knee jerk reaction
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"G. Mugele" wrote:

> anything can be used as a weapon.  The only real security would be to
> suit everyone up in straight jackets and I suspect that would
> severely cut into the desire for air travel.

Maybe remote unlocking seatbelts can be installed. If someone is in need of a
leave, he og she should then raise a hand and ask permisson to got to the little
boys/girls room.
First class should ofcourse have a fancy button with a little WC icon on it.

rgds
sv/aurens

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