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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Today's Tragedies (Macka)
   2. This Modern Cancer (Graham Ellis)
   3. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
   4. Re: This Modern Cancer (Michael Hatton)
   5. Off Topic: Recent acts of terrorism (Holger Mootz)
   6. brakes/IIa switches/at a loss for words (Rob MacCormick)
   7. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
   8. Re: brakes/IIa switches/at a loss for words (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   9. Re: brakes/IIa switches/at a loss for words (David Scheidt)
  10. Re: Today's Tragedies (William J. Rice)
  11. Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies) (Jeff Berg)
  12. Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies) (Rob MacCormick)
  13. RE: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies) (Matt Peckham)
  14. Re: Today's Tragedies (RON WARD)
  15. Re: Today's Tragedies (Frank Elson)
  16. Re: Today's Tragedies (Frank Elson)
  17. Re: Today's Tragedies (RON WARD)
  18. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  19. RE: Today's Tragedies (Carl Kinkade)
  20. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  21. Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies) (Smokey Briggs)
  22. Re: Today's Tragedies (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  23. Re: Today's Tragedies (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  24. Re: Today's Tragedies (Scott Wickham)
  25. Re: Today's Tragedies (Peter Ogilvie)
  26. Re: Today's Tragedies (N Forbes)
  27. something nive from Canada (Rich Williams II)
  28. Re: something nive from Canada (Scott Wickham)
  29. Re: something nive from Canada (Peter Ogilvie)
  30. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  31. Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies) (Jim Hall)
  32. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  33. Re: Today's Tragedies (William J. Rice)
  34. Re: Today's Tragedies (Ivan Van Laningham)
  35. Re: Today's Tragedies (Kirk Hillman)
  36. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  37. Re: Today's Tragedies (John Cranfield)
  38. America (Simon J. Harding)
  39. Re: Today's Tragedies (Peter Ogilvie)
  40. Re: Today's Tragedies (Ivan Van Laningham)
  41. RE: Today's Tragedies (Simon J. Harding)
  42. Re: New York/Washington ([email-masked])
  43. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  44. Re: New York/Washington (Jeff Berg)
  45. Re: something nive from Canada (Jeff Berg)
  46. Why isn't this charging (and NY) (girasoli)
  47. RE: Why isn't this charging (and NY) (John Bridgett)

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Message: 1
From: "Macka" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:59:11 +1200
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Let it be known that the world over sheers the absolute horror and shock
over todays events. I watched in absolute stunned silence at 3am (NZT) this
morning the carnage unfolding live on CNN.

My thoughts and prayers to all in the US who have been affectd by this
despicable act of cowardice.

I hope retribution and justice is swift, altrhough that in no way will heal
the wounds of this defining moment in history.

Deepest condolences and best wishes,

Andrew MacGowan
New Zealand Landrover Owners Club Moderator
http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/nzlromacka/NZLROC/
R.E.M.L.R Member 115
1971 Ex NZ Army Series IIA 88 Softop FV2343 "Skippy"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 11:54
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies

>
> >I would like to express my sympathies to all those on the stateside of
this
> >list for the terrible events that have unfolded today.
>
>
>   I've been watching/listening to this horrific act of terrorism all day.
I
> had things to do at the garage so I went to work.  We have a small B&W TV
so
> between welding and grinding we watched the movie-like terror on local
> channel 11.  Sickening to think about how a group of people could think
> about launching such an atrocity against the US.  I can only pray for the
> lost family members/friends of fellow listers.  This act must be revenged
> and this will test the mettle of our President Bush of Texas.  So Pearl
> Harbor like in it's sneaky plan.
>    I plan to give blood this week.  I've heard on the local radio that
here
> in Pittsburgh there are lines, 2 hour waits, to give blood and they're
> saying to wait a couple days to see what's needed exactly.  Maybe I'll get
> to give more than once.
>   To attack the Pentagon is such a slap in the face.  Osama bin Laden will
> pay for this, I'm sure.  I hope this is not the start of WWIII...
>
>
> Scott Wickham Jr.
> Pgh., Pa.
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Message: 2
From: "Graham Ellis" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:55:02 
Subject: [lro] This Modern Cancer
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As the events of yesterday continue to unfold the magnitude of yesterday's 
events are starting to sink in. My company has an engineer who was based in 
the WTC and we had a phone call last night to say he was safe, a great 
relief to us all.

For many hundreds or even thousands of people, unfortunately this will not 
be the case.

Now that the shock is starting to subside, it is starting to be replaced by 
anger. We have a right to be angry, especially those of you who live in the 
US.

What sickened me to my core yesterday was the pictures of people celebrating 
in the streets of Palestine, Algeria and Egypt.

But what we must not loose site of was that this horrific crime was proberly 
perpertrated by a small cell of people, possibly numbering under 20. These 
are brain washed fanatics who in their mind are fighting a holy war.(may god 
have mercy on their souls).

Personally, I think it is time for the world to take sides. The western 
world and its allies and friends. Nations that are not with us should be cut 
off in every way, economically, communications, travel, commerce. They may 
claim to hate us, but are happy to take our money in aid, trade credits etc.

The Government of the US has my total respect. It would have been easy to 
have a knee jerk reaction and have retaliated against the most likely source 
of this attack. I understand from the evidence coming in it looks as if Bin 
Larden is the most likely suspect.

What equally appalls me is the sheer cowardice of these people, not even to 
claim responsibility for what they have done. I expect that they have 
finally realized the magnatude what they have done and realized that those 
who live by the sword can most certainly expect to die by the sword.

Like many of you, I thought that this could be the start of world war III 
and pray that it is'nt.

Today is also a sad day for the Muslim people of the world. The vast 
majority will be just as appalled as the rest of us are. Unfortunately, the 
media seems to label all Muslims as one. If a small extreme sect of 
christians carried out an outrage against humanity, should all christians be 
held responsible and punished ? Before things escalate, I think that the 
Muslim world should be given the chance to sort its own house out and take 
the leading role in hunting these people down and punishing them with the 
US's assistance as necessary.

Nothing can bring back the hundreds and maybe thousands of innocent souls 
who perished so needlessly yesterday and the trauma to those who were 
fortunate to escape.The families of those missing or injured. I think the 
events of Pearl Harbor pale in the light of these events.

I am not American, I am English and I am Bloody angry. I have spent some 
wonderful times in the US and have always been astounded by your generosity, 
hospitality and friendship to visitors such as myself. That people have come 
to your country and abused this is beyond me.

Sorry I have rambled on (and totally off list), but I just felt I had to say 
something more and get some of my thoughts out to others.

Our thoughts are with you.

May Your Gods watch over you,

Deepest Regards

Graham
London

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Message: 3
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:15:28 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/11/01 9:08:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> >I hope this is not the start of WWIII...
> 
> the thought crossed my mind as well, all i can say is that if this 
> escalates 
> beyond a mild conflict, im heading for the safe haven that is known as 
> canada.
> 
> 

Please ponder what you are actually implying here.  In essence, you are 
saying "I like the benefits that this country affords me, but I don't want to 
take responsiblility to help defend the country that allows such benefits."

Sounds like an opportunist--or sneak thief.

Perhaps you should examine your reasoning.

-N

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:13:50 -0400
From: Michael Hatton <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] This Modern Cancer
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am personally outraged and sickened by this, but please be careful about
jumping to conclusions on circumstantial evidence. As of 10am EST I had
not seen anyone showing any proof of who these cowards are. Prejudice and
speculation are very dangerous. Look at what happened to arabs (and
arab-like) people after Oklahoma.

Michael Hatton

>
> Today is also a sad day for the Muslim people of the world. The vast
> majority will be just as appalled as the rest of us are. Unfortunately, the
> media seems to label all Muslims as one. If a small extreme sect of
> christians carried out an outrage against humanity, should all christians be
> held responsible and punished ? Before things escalate, I think that the
> Muslim world should be given the chance to sort its own house out and take
> the leading role in hunting these people down and punishing them with the
> US's assistance as necessary.

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Message: 5
From: "Holger Mootz" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:21:23 +0200
Subject: [lro] Off Topic: Recent acts of terrorism
Reply-To: [email-masked]

First, let me express my deep sympathy for all those who suffer due to this
inhuman, stupid act of violence.
Some things make me wonder: How can someone from a third+world country
organize such a precise attack without drawing ANYBODIES attention in western
intelligence agencies? What do they do with all the money they spend? I think
you need at least about 50 to 100 people who know details about the planning.
These people dancing in the streets of palestina, celebrating the death of
several thousand innocent people surely could cause an indifferent aggression
against all islamic people in the world. I was planning a Land Rover trip to
morocco (Its just 1500 mls away from where i live), but i think there will be
a long, cold winter in the relations between the so called civilized western
world and any islamic country, including egypt, tunisia and morocco, which are
not specially known for hosting or supporting islamic terrorism. I hope that
this situation doesnt split the world up in new "blocks", but shows everybody,
no matter if they are moslems or christians, that we just have one world to
live in, and we must use some common sense to make it a better place. Maybe.

Holger Mootz
Trier, Germany

VIVOS VOCO MORTVOS PLANGO FVLGVRA FRANGO

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:32:58 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] brakes/IIa switches/at a loss for words
Reply-To: [email-masked]

1) My thoughts/feelings on recent events aren't assembled in a fashion worth
sharing.

2) New brake lines (the metal parts)....Should they be painted or otherwise
finished? If yes with what?.....The old lines seem to have been challenged
most by corrosion so that's what I'd like to prevent....

3) Dash panel switches - where can I get a new or functional used switch (for
panel lights) for my '68 IIa? How much would I expect to pay?

Rob "type O+"  M
Concord, MA USA
Amazed, perplexed, greiving and wishing the best for those most impacted/to be
impacted.

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Message: 7
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:31:31 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My hopes are that none of our fellow list members have lost any family or 
friends in these tragic attacks.  

The Pearl Harbor analogy also reminds us of the comment by Admiral Yamamoto 
about waking a sleeping giant and filling him with a terrible resolve.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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Message: 8
Subject: Re: [lro] brakes/IIa switches/at a loss for words
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:51:04 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

1. Same here.

2.  Yes - paint them or Waxoyl them or something....can't hurt. This is why
I try for cupronickel  - don't have to worry about it after that.

3. Any old Brit iron should have a similar switch - Believe Victoria
British has some new in the packaging stuff for not too much - it's an MG
house but Lucas is Lucas.

                        ajr

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:03:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] brakes/IIa switches/at a loss for words
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Rob MacCormick wrote:

:
:1) My thoughts/feelings on recent events aren't assembled in a fashion worth
:sharing.
:
:2) New brake lines (the metal parts)....Should they be painted or otherwise
:finished? If yes with what?.....The old lines seem to have been challenged
:most by corrosion so that's what I'd like to prevent....

Paint 'em.

:
:3) Dash panel switches - where can I get a new or functional used switch (for
:panel lights) for my '68 IIa? How much would I expect to pay?
:

Lots of british cars used the same bits, so they should be availabe from one
of the brit car suppliers.  Rat shack and other electronic bits places
sell panel switches, so they should be able to sell you something suitable,
though it may not look right.  Might be cheaper, though, and you get them
with things like built in fuses.

-- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 10
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:47:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Amen Nate.  I was surprised that Adam expressed a desire to look out for
number one if a crisis came along rather than staying with his country
through thick and thin.  I hope he was joking.

bill

> Please ponder what you are actually implying here.  In essence, you 
> are 
> saying "I like the benefits that this country affords me, but I 
> don't want to 
> take responsiblility to help defend the country that allows such 
> benefits."
> 
> Sounds like an opportunist--or sneak thief.
> 
> Perhaps you should examine your reasoning.
> 
> -N
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:31:08 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Let's remember that Adam is all of 15 years old and may not always 
fully think about what he's saying. (For that matter, a number of us 
more then double his age can often be accused of the same thing.) I'd 
tend to give him the benefit of the doubt here--I think that if it 
really came down to it, he'd probably do the right thing.

jeff

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:45:05 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Don't know Adam from Adam but I'm 36 and have NEVER ever said anything
without fully thinking about it.........um, until
now...........Nevermind........Rob M

Jeff Berg wrote:

> Let's remember that Adam is all of 15 years old and may not always
> fully think about what he's saying. (For that matter, a number of us
> more then double his age can often be accused of the same thing.) I'd
> tend to give him the benefit of the doubt here--I think that if it
> really came down to it, he'd probably do the right thing.
>
> jeff
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Message: 13
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:53:35 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

while, I made a similar quip about moving to Maine, nothing happens in
Maine... then another saying I'm off to joing the SOXC (Southern Ontarion
Xterra Club), they were only a little bit of brevity in a time of grave
seriousness.  I tend to think that is what was meant by Adam's post, but I
can not say....

I just returned from 2 weeks in Canada, and I wonder if it was the same
border crossing I used to get into Maine a week ago.  And of course, they
used Maine as a staging point, which further proved me wrong...

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacCormick [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:45 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies)

Don't know Adam from Adam but I'm 36 and have NEVER ever said anything
without fully thinking about it.........um, until
now...........Nevermind........Rob M

Jeff Berg wrote:

> Let's remember that Adam is all of 15 years old and may not always
> fully think about what he's saying. (For that matter, a number of us
> more then double his age can often be accused of the same thing.) I'd
> tend to give him the benefit of the doubt here--I think that if it
> really came down to it, he'd probably do the right thing.
>
> jeff
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:39:29 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My family's been thinking about you Bill.  Glad things haven't gotten out of hand and that you've not been deployed.  I agree with Nate on the subject of fleeing to a neighbor country when it hits the fan.  Pretty sorry attitude to have at a time like this.

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 09/12/01 01:47PM >>>

Amen Nate.  I was surprised that Adam expressed a desire to look out for
number one if a crisis came along rather than staying with his country
through thick and thin.  I hope he was joking.

bill

> Please ponder what you are actually implying here.  In essence, you 
> are 
> saying "I like the benefits that this country affords me, but I 
> don't want to 
> take responsiblility to help defend the country that allows such 
> benefits."
> 
> Sounds like an opportunist--or sneak thief.
> 
> Perhaps you should examine your reasoning.
> 
> -N
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Message: 15
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:17:25 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

you write:>>>, no one wants a war, only justice<<<

I'm afraid that we (the democracies) have a war and there is only one way to
end a war.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 16
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:06:48 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You write: >>>I agree with Nate on the subject of fleeing to a neighbor
country when it hits the fan.  Pretty sorry attitude to have at a time like
this.<<<<

I agree.

 I have been asked, by more than one person, if I will still be coming to
the MAR next month.
 Assuming it is still going to run my answer has always been: "of course I
will"

I've often wondered, in awe, at the way this wonderful internet thing can
bring so many people, from so many nations, together.

I suppose now is my time to stand up and be counted.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:33:32 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My wife and I still plan to go to the Southern Land Rover Society (SoLaRoS) rally in North Georgia this weekend.  Anybody else?

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 09/12/01 04:06PM >>>

You write: >>>I agree with Nate on the subject of fleeing to a neighbor
country when it hits the fan.  Pretty sorry attitude to have at a time like
this.<<<<

I agree.

 I have been asked, by more than one person, if I will still be coming to
the MAR next month.
 Assuming it is still going to run my answer has always been: "of course I
will"

I've often wondered, in awe, at the way this wonderful internet thing can
bring so many people, from so many nations, together.

I suppose now is my time to stand up and be counted.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
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Message: 18
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:41:34 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am not even going to justify that with an answer, how could you be 
nitpicking things like that in such a trime of crisis?

adam

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Message: 19
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:45:59 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You write: >>>I agree with Nate on the subject of fleeing to a neighbor
country when it hits the fan.  Pretty sorry attitude to have at a time like
this.<<<<

I feel just the opposite, I feel bad that I can't do anything to help
(besides give blood).  I have had 12 years of military training, in the
reserves, to be prepared to come to my nation's need and here I sit on my
thumbs in Nebraska.  It hasn't been all for naught, we were activated for
desert storm, but that wasn't same.

Carl

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Message: 20
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:48:45 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

bill, lets see what you will say when there is a biological weapon headed for 
your home state.  as a resident of an eastern seaboard state, i have a right 
to be afraid.

adam

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:51:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies)
From: "Smokey Briggs" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I took Adam's reference to WWIII to mean the nuclear disaster many fear of
the next world war. The usual scenario has the world a smoking, glowing ruin
with no countries left to defend with a few die hards driving around in
rovers. Canada sounds good in such a case. I don't know the kid either but I
do not think he meant dodging the draft/ his duty/ etc... 

Smokey Briggs
Cpl USMC (former)
Sgt A Co. 3/144 Texas National Guard (former)
Publisher
Pecos Enterprise 
The trans Pecos region,s daily newspaper
----------
>From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies)
>Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2001, 1:45 PM
>

>
>Don't know Adam from Adam but I'm 36 and have NEVER ever said anything
>without fully thinking about it.........um, until
>now...........Nevermind........Rob M
>
>Jeff Berg wrote:
>
>> Let's remember that Adam is all of 15 years old and may not always
>> fully think about what he's saying. (For that matter, a number of us
>> more then double his age can often be accused of the same thing.) I'd
>> tend to give him the benefit of the doubt here--I think that if it
>> really came down to it, he'd probably do the right thing.
>>
>> jeff
>> _______________________________________________
>> LRO mailing list
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Message: 22
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:04:24 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am not even going to justify that with an answer, how could you be
nitpicking things like that in such a trime of crisis?

adam

Actually, it is that attitude (all for me and bug out) that makes other
societies think we are weak.....

This is neither trivial nor nitpicking. Seriously, think about what you
said and the attitudes behind it.

                         ajr

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Message: 23
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:07:13 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Frank Elson said:

I agree.

 I have been asked, by more than one person, if I will still be coming to
the MAR next month.
 Assuming it is still going to run my answer has always been: "of course I
will".

Spoken like a true gentleman. And I will be there with a bottle of
Jaimeson's to comfort you from the rigors of your travel....

                    ajr

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Message: 24
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:40:48 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

, im heading for the safe haven that is known as canada.

adam

  Well, at least you'll be able to import an '84, 85, 86 Defender legally.

Scooter

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Message: 25
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:27:38 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It looks like you can rub shoulders with the terrorists.  They seem to be 
using Canada as an entry point for the US.  Just a matter of time before 
they drop some dirty laundry along the way.

This is not meant to reflect on our Canadian brothers, just a realization 
that no place is safe from these jerks.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>>, im heading for the safe haven that is known as canada.

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Message: 26
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:28:42 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think that's a bit harsh and unnecessary. I think you are taking what was 
an innocent comment far too literally. I'm sure there are better things to 
do at a time like this than question a young teenager's commitment to his 
country based one comment he made.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 27
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:26:39 -0700
Subject: [lro] something nive from Canada
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I received this from Simon Harding who is unsubbed from the LRO list right
now.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimberly Harding [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:46 PM
To: Ian - Home (E-mail); Ian Harding (E-mail); Janice Santarini (Business
Fax); Michael A. Santarini (E-mail); Fiona Harding (E-mail); Simon Harding
(E-mail); Simon Harding (E-mail)
Subject: FW: Something Nice from Canada

This is worth reading and reminds us that we all should be proud to be
Americans.

Subject: Something Very Nice From Canada

I needed to read this in light of today's events.

TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable
editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
Commentator.  What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most
generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of
the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts.  None of these countries is today paying
even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.  When France
was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up,
and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris.  I
was there.  I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in
to help.  This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped.  The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of
dollars into discouraged countries.  Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.  Does any other
country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?  If so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?  Why
does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the
moon?  You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.  You talk
about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American
technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times -
and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store
window for everybody to look at.  Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued
and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are
breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home
to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.  When the Pennsylvania Railroad
and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.  I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
the help of other people in trouble.  Can you name me even one time when
someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?  I don't think there was
outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired
of hearing them get kicked around.  They will come out of this thing with
their flag high.  And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at
the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.  I hope Canada is
not one of those."  Stand proud, America!  Wear it proudly!!

This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the
United States.  It is nice that one man realizes it.  I only wish that the
rest of the world would realize it.  We are always blamed for everything,
and never even get a thank you for the things we do.

I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can
and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until
this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single American
that has read this, TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

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Message: 28
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] something nive from Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:54:42 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Why
does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the
moon?

  Never happened.

>You talk about American
technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times -
and safely home again.

Ditto.  The rest of the editorial was great.  As I sit tapping the keys, the
local radio station is giving out American flags at  the station.  Then one
guy called in saying that with his flag taped to the car antenna he's
getting waves, honks, and a bus driver saluted him today.  He feels flying
the flag now is like giving the middle finger to who ever bombed us saying,
"Up your!  We're here and we aren't going anywhere!"  I like it.  I'm
putting flags on both Rovers tonight.
  As for landing on the moon, I think it was a hoax.  Anybody else see that
Fox special on the fake moon landings?  Looks fake to me.

Scooter

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Message: 29
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] something nive from Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:02:19 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes, the Fox show was a fake!!!

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] something nive from Canada
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:54:42 -0400
>
>
> >Why
>does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the
>moon?
>
>   Never happened.
>
> >You talk about American
>technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times -
>and safely home again.
>
>Ditto.  The rest of the editorial was great.  As I sit tapping the keys, 
>the
>local radio station is giving out American flags at  the station.  Then one
>guy called in saying that with his flag taped to the car antenna he's
>getting waves, honks, and a bus driver saluted him today.  He feels flying
>the flag now is like giving the middle finger to who ever bombed us saying,
>"Up your!  We're here and we aren't going anywhere!"  I like it.  I'm
>putting flags on both Rovers tonight.
>   As for landing on the moon, I think it was a hoax.  Anybody else see 
>that
>Fox special on the fake moon landings?  Looks fake to me.
>
>Scooter
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Message: 30
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:07:41 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/12/2001 4:42:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< I am not even going to justify that with an answer, how could you be 
 nitpicking things like that in such a trime of crisis? >>

Ah, to be in high school and to believe one has thoughts too profound for 
others to comprehend.

Considering whether you'll stay and fight or run and hide is not 
nitpicking--it is a major crux of the decision by the terrorists whether to 
attack.

Some of those who ran to Canada during the Vietnam War did so because of deep 
political differences with the US Government's policy in SE Asia--others were 
merely cowards.

I simply ask whether your comments reflect a strong, deep difference with the 
US Government on punishing those responsible or are you merely afraid.

Secondly, if your comments were made in jest, I suggest you have a very poor 
sense of decency.

Finally, your comments to Bill Rice about biological warfare agents and your 
willingness to run (and possibly others) seemingly betrays your true feelings 
on this.

Nate (Hope my son who is your age has a better sense of duty) 

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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:53:44 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Adam (was Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I agree. At 15, he isn't going to be helping with any kind of fighting,
and if there was such an all out war, what would be the sense of staying
and dying if there was nothing you could do. Tensions are high among 
all of us. Lets not start fighting amongst friends. I'm sure he meant no
harm or disrespect.

Jeff Berg wrote:
> 
> Let's remember that Adam is all of 15 years old and may not always
> fully think about what he's saying. (For that matter, a number of us
> more then double his age can often be accused of the same thing.) I'd
> tend to give him the benefit of the doubt here--I think that if it
> really came down to it, he'd probably do the right thing.
> 
> jeff
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1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 32
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:01:09 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/12/01 6:10:32 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>Nate (Hope my son who is your age has a better sense of duty)

If i wanted to die for this country i would join the military with fake birth 
certificates.  Yes I am afraid, i will admit that.  We are dealing with some 
of the most ruthless, and militarilypowerful nations on earth.  I am no 
coward, I just see no reason to needlessly sit here on my ass as WWIII 
explodes over my head.  Why should I?

adam

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Message: 33
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:42:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> bill, lets see what you will say when there is a biological weapon 
> headed for 
> your home state.  

Well, seeing as how I'm an infantry captain, there'd be an excellent
chance I'd be wearing a protective mask, out in front of whoever's
picking up the pieces after you've run away.  But, yes, bio. warfare is
super-scary stuff and I don't blame you for wanting to run from that.  

And I don't want to get into a big "beat up adam" contest--I think I took
your earlier comment wrong.  I read it as if you were going to try to
avoid serving rather than merely flee temporary danger. Also didn't
realize that you've got a few years to go before serving becomes much of
a possibility . . . 
 
bill

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Message: 34
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:17:09 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Organization: Symantec
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi All--

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 9/12/2001 4:42:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
> 
> Considering whether you'll stay and fight or run and hide is not
> nitpicking--it is a major crux of the decision by the terrorists whether to
> attack.
> 
> Some of those who ran to Canada during the Vietnam War did so because of deep
> political differences with the US Government's policy in SE Asia--others were
> merely cowards.
> 
> I simply ask whether your comments reflect a strong, deep difference with the
> US Government on punishing those responsible or are you merely afraid.
> 
> Secondly, if your comments were made in jest, I suggest you have a very poor
> sense of decency.
> 
> Finally, your comments to Bill Rice about biological warfare agents and your
> willingness to run (and possibly others) seemingly betrays your true feelings
> on this.
> 
> Nate (Hope my son who is your age has a better sense of duty)
> 

And what did you do in the war that your son needs to emulate?  Are you
going to be out there waving your spear (or your dick) at a nuclear
missile as it heads for you?  Tossing your gas mask away so you can
fight those nasty germs with your bare hands?

You, sir, are a jingoistic idiot.  A brainless jingoistic idiot.
----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org 
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Message: 35
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:15:52 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

    I have no intention of even getting into this little 'debate'.  I do
however have one query, what the heck is 'jingoistic', Ivan?  You succeeded
in totally baffling me.

Kirk

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Message: 36
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:36:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

According to Webster's --

jingoism -- extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a
belligerent foreign policy.

					warren

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Kirk Hillman wrote:

>
>     I have no intention of even getting into this little 'debate'.  I do
> however have one query, what the heck is 'jingoistic', Ivan?  You succeeded
> in totally baffling me.
>
> Kirk
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Message: 37
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:50:16 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Kirk Hillman wrote:
what the heck is 'jingoistic', 

>From the Oxford English Dictionary:
Jingo, noun, supporter of bellicose policy, blustering patriot
       Ajective,  vulgarly dashing.
hence ~istic.
John and Muddy

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Message: 38
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:54:26 -0700
Subject: [lro] America
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just resubbed to respond to one post I found offensive as I was reading the archives. If you are thinking of going to Canada in the event of a war, do all Americans a favor and leave now (nothing against Canada).  This is a great country.  I personally appreciate the kind words I saw in the archives.  We are a strong country and we will be fine.  As they say, Tried and True.  We can kick #ss by ourselves and we will when, where and how appropriate.  But its nice that NATO and others will join us.  This country has always been defended by those who are brave - like the men on the Pittsburgh plane who attacked the terrorists and forced the plane down rather than allowing it to be used as a Kamikaze (reportedly).  I am 35.  One of my regrets in life is that I never served in the military of this country.  I have two brothers who did, one still in the reserves.  Its a cliche but freedom is not free.  I'm obtaining the benefits of living here and feel that to an extent I've not!
 paid.  I like to believe I would now if I could.  I try to pay every day by being a good citizen and raising my children well.  We are fat and lazy, and now we are waking from our slumber.  I am not a vet, but I was very very offended by that remark.  It came across snotty, spoiled and cowardly.  I hope not to see anything similar again soon.  People are dead.  Here.  I gently suggest you think about what you write or say before doing so.  Sorry for the off topic rant.
Simon (who has had an American flag on his 109 since day one)

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Message: 39
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:16:54 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>And what did you do in the war that your son needs to emulate?  Are you
>going to be out there waving your spear (or your dick) at a nuclear
>missile as it heads for you?  Tossing your gas mask away so you can
>fight those nasty germs with your bare hands?
>
>You, sir, are a jingoistic idiot.  A brainless jingoistic idiot.
>----------------------------------------------
>Ivan Van Laningham
>Symantec

Guess I'm not buying any Norton stuff if they have jerks like you working 
for them.

If you do not stand up to bullies, they will continue to bully until they 
have their thumb on everyone or someone else stops them.  Remember the 
"Peace in our time" speech by the English Prime Minister (can't remember the 
name right now, was it Chamberlain??) after Hitler annexed 
Chechoslovakia(sp).  These jerks from the middle east will not stop until 
they are stopped or everyone is a Moslem fanatic.  There is no middle ground 
for these people.  You can move to Timbucto but you aren't going to get away 
from them, forever.  If it wasn't the great
Satin, it'd be Israel, if not Israel, Russia, if not Russia, any other 
external group they need to keep their campaigns of hate going.

More and more, it looks a like a few passengers prevented the flight that 
crashed in Pennsylvania, from crashing into a populated target.  Just a 
bunch of witless assholes that stood up to the terrorists and maybe saved 
your sorry butt.  If that is Jingoism, teach me how to hum it.

I'm not going to be waving anything at these fools.  I will support the 
measures of our President to put a PERMANENT end to terrorism, however.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Message: 40
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:22:18 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Organization: God N Locomotive Works
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Kirk Hillman wrote:
> 
>     I have no intention of even getting into this little 'debate'.  I do
> however have one query, what the heck is 'jingoistic', Ivan?  You succeeded
> in totally baffling me.
> 

jingoism \"jing-go-'i-zem\ n : extreme chauvinism or nationalism
marked esp. by a belligerent foreign policy  jingoist \-ist\ n 
jingoistic \'jing-go-"is-tik\ adj  

(c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated.  All
rights reserved
 
----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Message: 41
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:20:23 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

10-4 Peter.

[demime 0.98e lite $Revision: 1.8 $ removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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Message: 42
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:31:31 -0400
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] New York/Washington
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anyone know if Robert Davis was working in NYC yesterday and if so whether or not he may have been a victim?  I sincerely hope that one of our own did not perish in this horrible atrocity!

Regards,
Ray Burton

PS - Most people assume that Bin Laden is probably the one behind this dastardly attack.  I would not neglect to consider Sadam or Kadafie.

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Message: 43
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:49:16 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/12/2001 7:18:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< You, sir, are a jingoistic idiot.  A brainless jingoistic idiot. >>

Ivan,

Your own personal ignorance of history is showing.  This is an unprecedented 
incident.  It was taken with the assumption of fat lethargic western 
hedonists being to lazy, self-centered or frightened to do what is necessary 
to stop it.

This is not American, this is Militant Islam (not all Islam) vs. Infidels.

It dates back centuries, not decades.

I'll ignore the personal attacks, but if you wish to continue this, email me 
off channel--however, you may want to research your position before showing 
your bias.

Nate

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Message: 44
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:57:18 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] New York/Washington
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Last I knew Robert was working in a building many blocks north of the 
incident. My information is a few months old, but I wouldn't be 
unduly concerned.

(Not trying to sound callous--just have too many friends unaccounted 
for that are known--or last known--to work in WTC.)

jeff

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Message: 45
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:08:41 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] something nive from Canada
Reply-To: [email-masked]

re: " TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES"

This is a real nice piece it should be known that it dates back to 
1973. It was even a popular recording that made the "Top 40" charts 
for several weeks at that time. Seems to making the rounds today as 
if it was written about the current situation.

Gordon Sinclair, who authored the piece, died in 1984.

But what he says still rings true.

jeff

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Message: 46
From: "girasoli" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:59:01 -0400
Subject: [lro] Why isn't this charging (and NY)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all,

First off, let me throw another perspective into this. I work at a newspaper,
but as a sportswriter, so I necessarily wouldn't say that I'm right in the
thick of things. Still, it was just amazing to see how we in the media do
this. Stories were coming over the wire at about 2-3 a minute (when they
usually only come at like once every five). I get chills just thinking about
the urgent bulletins that were coming over every five minutes. The first ones,
at 9 a.m. or whenever - "Explosion at World Trade Center, reports say"
followed by "Plane crashes into World Trade Center" two minutes later, then
"Explosion, possibly a plane into second tower" follows that. Then stories and
stories, all coming one after the other. And it's been nonstop right up until
I left tonite 30 minutes ago. It's something I hope to never see again. I was
looking forward to seeing this Red Sox season hurry up and end, but it can
wait now...

So on to my problem. Yesterday I made the discovery that the battery isn't
charging. Thanks to John Karlsson's suggestion, I found out it's gotta be the
generator or alternator (because the solenoid is clicking). Now...where the
heck is the generator? I thought that these have alternators but apparently
this was an option, according to my service manual, and I don't have one. And
I can't find anything under the title of generator in the book, and I surmise
that the Brits had another word for it.

Also, I found that the carbourator (or carburetter) is dripping gas at the
banjo union. Any suggestions on how to fix this?

(Side note: Do any of you have an extra hand crank lying around? Mine didn't
come with one. I've had to use jumper cables the last two days to get it
going.)

Thanks in advance to any ideas you may have. Hope that all is well with you
and your families.

-brian
'67 Series IIa '88

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Message: 47
From: "John Bridgett" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Why isn't this charging (and NY)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:11:56 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You could try the word 'dynamo'

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
Of girasoli
Sent: 13 September 2001 06:59
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Why isn't this charging (and NY)

Hi all,

First off, let me throw another perspective into this. I work at a
newspaper,
but as a sportswriter, so I necessarily wouldn't say that I'm right in the
thick of things. Still, it was just amazing to see how we in the media do
this. Stories were coming over the wire at about 2-3 a minute (when they
usually only come at like once every five). I get chills just thinking about
the urgent bulletins that were coming over every five minutes. The first
ones,
at 9 a.m. or whenever - "Explosion at World Trade Center, reports say"
followed by "Plane crashes into World Trade Center" two minutes later, then
"Explosion, possibly a plane into second tower" follows that. Then stories
and
stories, all coming one after the other. And it's been nonstop right up
until
I left tonite 30 minutes ago. It's something I hope to never see again. I
was
looking forward to seeing this Red Sox season hurry up and end, but it can
wait now...

So on to my problem. Yesterday I made the discovery that the battery isn't
charging. Thanks to John Karlsson's suggestion, I found out it's gotta be
the
generator or alternator (because the solenoid is clicking). Now...where the
heck is the generator? I thought that these have alternators but apparently
this was an option, according to my service manual, and I don't have one.
And
I can't find anything under the title of generator in the book, and I
surmise
that the Brits had another word for it.

Also, I found that the carbourator (or carburetter) is dripping gas at the
banjo union. Any suggestions on how to fix this?

(Side note: Do any of you have an extra hand crank lying around? Mine didn't
come with one. I've had to use jumper cables the last two days to get it
going.)

Thanks in advance to any ideas you may have. Hope that all is well with you
and your families.

-brian
'67 Series IIa '88
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