Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #84 - 28 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. 42Volt systems (Easton Trevor A)
   2. (no subject) (N Forbes)
   3. Re: (no subject) (Kirk Hillman)
   4. Re: (no subject) (Rob MacCormick)
   5. Condolences (Paul Oxley)
   6. Re: Condolences (Bryan Hoult)
   7. Re: Condolences (Jeff Berg)
   8. Re: Condolences (David Scheidt)
   9. New York/Washington (Frank Elson)
  10. Today's Tragedies (Graham Ellis)
  11. Re: Today's Tragedies (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  12. Re: Today's Tragedies (Neil Brownlee)
  13. Re: Today's Tragedies (Dick Joltes)
  14. Re: Today's Tragedies (Larry Smith)
  15. Re: Today's Tragedies (Neil Brownlee)
  16. Re: Today's Tragedies (Dick Joltes)
  17. RE: Smith's shin burner heater info... (Tackley, John)
  18. Re: Today's Tragedies (Paul)
  19. Re: Today's Tragedies (John Cranfield)
  20. Re: It's MINE! (John Karlsson)
  21. Shin burner (William L Leacock)
  22. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  23. Re: Today's Tragedies (Scott Wickham)
  24. Re: Smith's shin burner heater info... (Scott Wickham)
  25. Attack and Logo (Garrick Olsen)
  26. Re: Today's Tragedies ([email-masked])
  27. Re: Attack and Logo ([email-masked])
  28. Re: Today's Tragedies (Martin Rothman)

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Message: 1
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:06:23 -0400
Subject: [lro] 42Volt systems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For those interested these sites have some info on 36/42 volt systems
http://auto.mit.edu/consortium/
http://www.advancedautobat.com/index.html

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Message: 2
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:57:30 +0000
Subject: [lro] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Holy Shit!!

My thoughts are with all of you in the US.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 3
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] (no subject)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:55:02 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How about with all of us... this will affect just about all of us!

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:13:17 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

yikes.......9-11......

Kirk Hillman wrote:

> How about with all of us... this will affect just about all of us!
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:57:38 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Condolences
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hey Guys,

Sorry for all your troubles. Hope no-one on the list has family/friends
involved.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 6
Date: 11 Sep 2001 08:30:06 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Condolences
Reply-To: [email-masked]

We're all friends and family when things like this happens.  I wish there was more I could do than just watch the news in horror.  

Bryan

On Tue, 11 September 2001, Paul Oxley wrote:

> 
> 
> Hey Guys,
> 
> Sorry for all your troubles. Hope no-one on the list has family/friends
> involved.
>  
> Regards
> 
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:33:33 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Condolences
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Hey Guys,
>
>Sorry for all your troubles. Hope no-one on the list has family/friends
>involved.
>

Given the location, I'm pretty sure that I've lost several friends 
today. Maybe even several dozens as I'm not sure in this trying 
economy exactly who's working for who these days. I imagine several 
years from now I'll say "whatever happened to...?" and someone will 
utter "World Trade Center" adding another "personal" toll to the 
tragedy.

I'm just sitting here (in Connecticut, not NYC fortunately) stunned. 
Didn't even know this was going on until Bill C. checked in with me 
to make sure I hadn't gone into "the City" today.

On that note, I'm pretty much "signing off" from mailing list traffic 
until things normalize and I politely suggest that we all keep 
"non-essential" traffic to minimum. Comm channels to and from NYC are 
already jammed and I think this will become more widespread as folks 
begin to tune in, reach out, and comment.
Keep communication lines open. Give blood. Stay safe and take care of your own.

Compassion, not anger. (Because anger is what got us here in the first place.)

jeff
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	None but our self can free our mind...
	...Redemption Song.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:40:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Condolences
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 11 Sep 2001, Bryan Hoult wrote:

:
:We're all friends and family when things like this happens.  I wish there was more I could do than just watch the news in horror.
:

Go give blood.

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Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 9
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: "lro list" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:46:42 +0100
Subject: [lro] New York/Washington
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have been watching the dreadful news today.

To all the Americans on this list, my prayers are with you on this horrific
day...and with the whole of humanity.

Frank Elson

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Message: 10
From: "Graham Ellis" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:11 
Subject: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I would like to express my sympathies to all those on the stateside of this 
list for the terrible events that have unfolded today. May the Governments 
of the western world act decisively to wipe out those who perpetrate such 
horrendous acts against the ordinary folks of America.

My, and I am sure the thoughts of all your friends outside of the USA are 
with you.

Deepest Regards

Graham
London

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Message: 11
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:58:08 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Speaking as one in the US who been following this since the first crash
this morning, I must say that I'm absolutely shocked (though sadly not
surprised) by the barbarism. Military targets are just that - but unarmed
civilian attacks are the lowest form of butchery.

This is going to be a defining moment of my daughter's generation I'm
afraid - one of the "where were you when..." questions that define people's
lives. Unlike the moon landing was for ours, though, this one will be
remembered far beyond our lifetimes for the shock and horror of it.

The world is a little bit darker today...

                    Alan

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Message: 12
From: "Neil Brownlee" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:01:16 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Our thoughts are with you all.

Neil, Maddy, R'Vanneth & Leith
Northampton, United Kingdom

-------------------------------------------------------------

Neil

1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet'
1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch
Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side
Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks,
Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85 General Grabber MT's, WH Wheelcarriers
Diff Guards, JE Engineering 4 Tailpipe SS Exhaust, Safari Snorkel
1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty'

http://www.landroverdiscoveryv8i.freeservers.com
http://community.webshots.com/user/landroverdiscoveryv8i

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:15:17 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Amen, brother.  

Keep an eye on http://www.dal.net/wtc/ for updates; the page auto-
reloads with new info. 

The Somerset Cty plane went down about 15 miles from my father-in-law's
home (he is a congressional district admin guy as well as a cop and
former Marine).  He's on-site now and says they think the crew had a 
struggle with the terrorists, then crashed the plane intentionally 
rather than let it be used to hit another site.  Apparently it came in
at a steep angle, leaving a deep pit--tremendous impact, no survivors.
Present estimates are that it was intended to hit Camp David or some
other target in DC.

90 people aboard--could've been a lot worse.  It'll obviously be a 
while before we know if the black boxes retained any data.  There's
one report that a local 911 response centre received a call from a
passenger on the plane.  The FBI is looking at the tape now.

Time for some people to pay the piper.

dj

1974 SIII Lightweight, "Smudger"

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> 
> Speaking as one in the US who been following this since the first crash
> this morning, I must say that I'm absolutely shocked (though sadly not
> surprised) by the barbarism. Military targets are just that - but unarmed
> civilian attacks are the lowest form of butchery.
> 
> This is going to be a defining moment of my daughter's generation I'm
> afraid - one of the "where were you when..." questions that define people's
> lives. Unlike the moon landing was for ours, though, this one will be
> remembered far beyond our lifetimes for the shock and horror of it.
> 
> The world is a little bit darker today...

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Message: 14
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:17 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just watched a close up video of the Pentagon on CNN.  Looks like my old
office and probably several people I know were at ground zero where the
plane hit (2d floor, D ring, 400 series of offices).

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Joltes" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 11 September, 2001 02:15 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies

>
> Amen, brother.
>
> Keep an eye on http://www.dal.net/wtc/ for updates; the page auto-
> reloads with new info.
>
> The Somerset Cty plane went down about 15 miles from my father-in-law's
> home (he is a congressional district admin guy as well as a cop and
> former Marine).  He's on-site now and says they think the crew had a
> struggle with the terrorists, then crashed the plane intentionally
> rather than let it be used to hit another site.  Apparently it came in
> at a steep angle, leaving a deep pit--tremendous impact, no survivors.
> Present estimates are that it was intended to hit Camp David or some
> other target in DC.
>
> 90 people aboard--could've been a lot worse.  It'll obviously be a
> while before we know if the black boxes retained any data.  There's
> one report that a local 911 response centre received a call from a
> passenger on the plane.  The FBI is looking at the tape now.
>
> Time for some people to pay the piper.
>
> dj
>
> 1974 SIII Lightweight, "Smudger"
>
>
> Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> >
> > Speaking as one in the US who been following this since the first crash
> > this morning, I must say that I'm absolutely shocked (though sadly not
> > surprised) by the barbarism. Military targets are just that - but
unarmed
> > civilian attacks are the lowest form of butchery.
> >
> > This is going to be a defining moment of my daughter's generation I'm
> > afraid - one of the "where were you when..." questions that define
people's
> > lives. Unlike the moon landing was for ours, though, this one will be
> > remembered far beyond our lifetimes for the shock and horror of it.
> >
> > The world is a little bit darker today...
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Message: 15
From: "Neil Brownlee" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:34:49 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>the crew had a
> struggle with the terrorists, then crashed the plane intentionally
> rather than let it be used to hit another site

Words fail me.

-------------------------------------------------------------

Neil

1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet'
1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch
Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side
Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks,
Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85 General Grabber MT's, WH Wheelcarriers
Diff Guards, JE Engineering 4 Tailpipe SS Exhaust, Safari Snorkel
1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty'

http://www.landroverdiscoveryv8i.freeservers.com
http://community.webshots.com/user/landroverdiscoveryv8i

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:46:36 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Neil Brownlee wrote:
> 
> >the crew had a
> > struggle with the terrorists, then crashed the plane intentionally
> > rather than let it be used to hit another site
> 
> Words fail me.

Obviously that's not confirmed, but if it turns out to be correct there
are a lot of people out there who owe the pilot & copilot a tremendous 
debt.

dj

1974 SIII Lightweight, "Smudger"

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Message: 17
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Smith's shin burner heater info...
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:19:18 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yup, that's the one...LROI?...you sure?

Scott said:
  Is that the one where they recored it with copper tubing inside.  From the
outside it looked normal and stock.  It was LRO but I'm not sure which
month.  I have it somewhere...  I've got LOTS of mags.

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:50:15 +0100
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, Dick Joltes wrote:
> says they think the crew had a 
> struggle with the terrorists, then crashed the plane intentionally 
> rather than let it be used to hit another site.  Apparently it came in
> at a steep angle, leaving a deep pit--tremendous impact, no survivors.
> Present estimates are that it was intended to hit Camp David or some
> other target in DC.
>

That is a truly heroic act.

Paul Lonsdale 
(Licensed Aircraft Engineer, British Airways, LHR)

EX-H.M.Coastguard SIII SWB
B895 OJT "Dougal"

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:17:51 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There is so much I would like to say but for once words fail me.
All of my sympathies are with those who have been touched by this
horror.
John

Graham Ellis wrote:
> 
> I would like to express my sympathies to all those on the stateside of this
> list for the terrible events that have unfolded today. May the Governments
> of the western world act decisively to wipe out those who perpetrate such
> horrendous acts against the ordinary folks of America.
> 
> My, and I am sure the thoughts of all your friends outside of the USA are
> with you.
> 
> Deepest Regards
> 
> Graham
> London
> 
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:16:50 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: John Karlsson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] It's MINE!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 12:40 AM 9/11/2001, brian wrote:

>Thanks, and I look forward to being a part of this list, and the experience of
>owning one of these.

Brian,

If you are in eastern Connecticut, you probably aren't very far from me in 
western Rhode Island.  I'd be happy to celebrate/commiserate with you.

John

John Karlsson
956 Main Street
P.O. Box 1023
Hope Valley, RI  02832

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Message: 21
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:19 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Shin burner
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The larger core (i.e thicker, but same diameter) from the old Moris Minor
car can be used  in a LR, the pipes need to be replaced with straight
peices, otherwise the swop is simple, boosts the output quite a bit.

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 22
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:23:03 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/11/01 12:59:24 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>This is going to be a defining moment of my daughter's generation I'm
>afraid - one of the "where were you when..." questions that define people's
>lives. Unlike the moon landing was for ours, though, this one will be
>remembered far beyond our lifetimes for the shock and horror of it.

I was in third period class this morning, Seminar, watching the movie version 
of Jack London's "To Build a Fire" as the Dean of Students, Mr. Wilson, came 
over the loudspeaker to announce the horrific news.  Then in my next class, 
we were able to watch the absolutely horrible images on CNN of the planes 
crashing into the buildings, and the towers crumbling to the ground.  There 
were many in that class that shed tears over that image, and thats not girls, 
thats boys, no girls at my school. I am forcing them back as I type this.  I 
am sure that I will forever remember these circumstances, as will all of you. 
 My prayers, as with all those of my catholic high school, are with those 
that were killed, injured, or affected by this tragedy.  Let us all pray that 
the US Government shall retaliate appropriately but also maturely for the 
events that took place today, no one wants a war, only justice.  Once again, 
the tragedies of today will forever be remembered in our country's history as 
a day of sadness, remorse, and community, hopefully not revenge and anger.

Adam Check

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Message: 23
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:54:34 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I would like to express my sympathies to all those on the stateside of this
>list for the terrible events that have unfolded today.

  I've been watching/listening to this horrific act of terrorism all day.  I
had things to do at the garage so I went to work.  We have a small B&W TV so
between welding and grinding we watched the movie-like terror on local
channel 11.  Sickening to think about how a group of people could think
about launching such an atrocity against the US.  I can only pray for the
lost family members/friends of fellow listers.  This act must be revenged
and this will test the mettle of our President Bush of Texas.  So Pearl
Harbor like in it's sneaky plan.
   I plan to give blood this week.  I've heard on the local radio that here
in Pittsburgh there are lines, 2 hour waits, to give blood and they're
saying to wait a couple days to see what's needed exactly.  Maybe I'll get
to give more than once.
  To attack the Pentagon is such a slap in the face.  Osama bin Laden will
pay for this, I'm sure.  I hope this is not the start of WWIII...

Scott Wickham Jr.
Pgh., Pa.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
'72 SIII
'84 RR (for sale $4500)

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Message: 24
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Smith's shin burner heater info...
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:03:51 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yup, that's the one...LROI?...you sure?

  99% sure since it was rare for me to find any other LR mag locally.

Scooter

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Message: 25
From: "Garrick Olsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:06:32 -0500
Subject: [lro] Attack and Logo
Reply-To: [email-masked]

1. I must mention the stunned feeling I've had throughout the day since the 
attack.  We'll see how the next week goes.

2.  I had only planned on asking if anyone knows when the LandRover logo 
went from black background to green.

Takers?

Rik
1960 SWB SW in Minnesota, USA

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Message: 26
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:07:17 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/11/01 7:55:36 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>I hope this is not the start of WWIII...

the thought crossed my mind as well, all i can say is that if this escalates 
beyond a mild conflict, im heading for the safe haven that is known as canada.

adam

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Message: 27
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:09:38 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Attack and Logo
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/11/01 9:07:24 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>2.  I had only planned on asking if anyone knows when the LandRover logo
>
>went from black background to green.

for Range Rovers i think that in 89 they changed to the green oval on the 
grille instead of the black/silver, dunno about defenders/discos though.

adam

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Message: 28
From: "Martin Rothman" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Today's Tragedies
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:52:38 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>if this escalates beyond a mild conflict, im heading for the safe haven 
>that is known as canada.

If this escalates beyond a mild conflict, Canada will not be much of a safe 
haven.

My condolences and prayers for everyone that has, and still will loose their 
lives in this trajedy.

Martin Rothman

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