Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #82 - 18 msgs

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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:05:01 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Hazards - no blinky blink (John Cranfield)
   2. Re: Re: TDi (John Cranfield)
   3. Re: Re: TDi (Paul Oxley)
   4. Re: Re: TDi (Jim Hall)
   5. FW: HEAD GASKET (Michael Petrone)
   6. Brake troubleshooting problems: resolved! (Chris Oles)
   7. Re: Re: TDi ([email-masked])
   8. Batteries (was more Exide, etc.) (Faure, Marin)
   9. Re: Holley carb on a SIIA?? (Bill Fishel)
  10. Re: FW: HEAD GASKET (Bryan Hoult)
  11. Vacuum gauge tip ([email-masked])
  12. Oil contamination (William L Leacock)
  13. Harley Servicar (The Stockdales)
  14. RE: Batteries (was more Exide, etc.) (Carl Kinkade)
  15. lockers for Salisbury rear diff (Rolston)
  16. Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #81 - 37 msgs ([email-masked])
  17. : Re: [lro] Harley Davidson Servicar? ([email-masked])
  18. SV: [lro] Harley Servicar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mattias_Bostr=F6m?=)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 07:57:57 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Hazards - no blinky blink
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The hazzard switch is a mind boggling concoction of contacts going on
and off and it only takes one poor connection to stop it all happening.
I suggest you get a squirty can of contact cleaner and give it soak
after removing it from the dash.
This has worked for me in the past.
John and Muddy 

Nick Danger wrote:
> 
> I have an odd problem with my hazard lights. They dont work. But, if I turn
> on a blinker (left or right) and pull the hazard switch, the blinker stops,
> like it should, but something is obviously missing because nothing else
> happens. Checked fuzes, I know all the light blubs work individually and I
> checked the littlle bulb in the hazard switch itself.
> 
> I had the dash apart today and changed the voltage regulator (yeah! working
> temp and gas gauges!) and actually removed about 10 feet of wire that went
> absolutely NO WHERE, just from one side of the truck to another (I think for
> fog lights that were removed...) but I cannot figure out this hazard problem.
> And no, they didnt work BEFORE I went into the dash, so I know its not
> something I broke today :-)
> 
> 72 - Series III
> 
> Thanks all!
> 
> -Nick
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:03:23 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: TDi
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Paul Oxley wrote:
> 
>.
> 
> Whoa there boy! Don't go down that road! That's exactly what L-R thought
> when they looked at the stats on the BMW 2.8i.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paul Oxley

We don't come across that engine over here so would you care to
enlighten us as to the reality of the 2.8i in a Land Rover.
John and Muddy

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:00:21 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: TDi
Reply-To: [email-masked]

John Cranfield wrote:
 
> We don't come across that engine over here so would you care to
> enlighten us as to the reality of the 2.8i in a Land Rover.

Frankly, the less said the better, but it's a great motor ... in a BMW.
Very high revving, absolutely no compression braking, but lots of half
shaft/diff breaking.

You open the bonnet (hood) and all you see is a big BMW plastic cover.
Land-Rover don't even publish a workshop manual for it, you buy a
photostated 328i/528i manual from Land-Rover, in a L-R binder.

Land-Rover replaced the V8's in the Defenders with the 2.8i a few years
ago, now it looks like we're getting Jag V8's and V6's.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:07:39 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: TDi
Reply-To: [email-masked]

But the 2.8 is a petrol, the TDi is a diesel. Should have loads of 
compression braking, not be high revving, but may break stuff if you get
your foot in it. Still, I wouldn't mind being the guinea pig. Bet it 
gets great mileage too.

Paul Oxley wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 9/9/01 1:22:36 AM, [email-masked] writes:
> 
> >The new TDi Golfs have 100 HP and 200 Ft/Lbs torque. I wouldn't mind at
> >all having one in my rover.
> 
> Whoa there boy! Don't go down that road! That's exactly what L-R thought
> when they looked at the stats on the BMW 2.8i.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 07:50:01 -0700
From: Michael Petrone <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
CC: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] FW: HEAD GASKET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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> From: Michael Petrone <[email-masked]>
> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:41:52 -0700
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: HEAD GASKET
> 
> I own a 1996 Disco with 144,000 miles on it. Recently it was diagnosed as
> needing head gaskets replaced by Land Rover San Jose. I took the truck to
> Heritage Motors and West Coast British and they both came to the same
> conclusion. I elected to use West Coast British. One week and $1800.00 I got
> my truck back. After driving it for 10 days I heard a loud taping sound coming
> from the left side of the engine. When the engine is cold...no noise.
> Once the truck is at normal operation temperture  it makes this constant
> raping. I went back to them on Wednesday. They told me that I can expect to
> hear some noise since they replaced some lifter and valves and all the springs
> and some of the older engine parts are being stressed alittle. I should not be
> concerned about the noise. If it was there truck they would not be concerned
> either. 
> My question to the group is.... do they make sense or am I being played?
> I have never owned a vehicle with a V8 engine. The only car I owned that
> needed a head gasket was my 1982 Peugeot turbo desiel with 310,000 miles on
> it. I am anxoius for some input. I want to join the group at Niagara Rim and
> Downeyville and more but I am concerned about the truck.
> 
> Michael

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Message: 6
From: "Chris Oles" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 14:51:55 
Subject: [lro] Brake troubleshooting problems: resolved!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Whoever made the comment about the brake shoes/drum being out of spec was 
right on the money.  After replacing the rears and bleeding the system, it 
stopped pretty well.  If I were to guess what had happened it would be this: 
  A foreign object was lodged in the MC so it would let the brakes release 
properly.  They stayed locked on and the shoes and drums wore each other 
down until the right rear was so out of spec that even after cleaning out 
the MC, the pedal was 2 pumps to get the shoe out to the drum.

Anyway, I'll be putting her on the road next weekend.  My thanks again to 
all who have helped!

Chris
70 SIIa 88

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Message: 7
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:56:39 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: TDi
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/9/01 10:11:36 AM, [email-masked] writes:

>Bet it 
>gets great mileage too.

50+ mpg good enough for you???  but thats in a small, light, aerodynamic 
vehicle, probably more like 40mpg in a series 88.

adam

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Message: 8
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 09:06:53 -0700 
Subject: [lro] Batteries (was more Exide, etc.)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:54:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] more (Exide/Optima) battery triva
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Sears, Roebuck own the DieHard brand.  Johnson Controls merely make the
things.

Some years ago I was told by someone I figured should know that there were 
actually only two automotive battery manufacturers in the US, companies that 
took raw materials and made batteries out of them.  All the brands- Die Hard, 
Interstate, etc.- were simply one iteration or another of the batteries made by these 
two companies.  Sort of like VCRs, of which there are only two or three manufacturers in 
the world.  Sony and Matsushida are, or at least used to be, the two Japanese manufacturers.  
All the other brands- Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, etc.- are actually manufactured (to different 
specifications) by either Sony or Matsushida.

And speaking of batteries, the Die Hard brand battery in my SIII has finally called it quits after 
about six or seven years.  I've had pretty good luck with Die Hards over the last twenty-plus 
years, so my inclination is to replace the Land Rover's battery with another Die Hard.  Has anyone 
had outstanding experience with any of the other brands in terms of longevity?  Right now, I'm 
starting the Land Rover with the crank, and I'm getting tired (literally) of doing that.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Message: 9
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Holley carb on a SIIA??
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:14:24 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

And its in use
Bill Fishel

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> From: Scott Wickham <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Holley carb on a SIIA??
> Date: Sunday, September 09, 2001 12:39 AM
> 
> 
> hehehe.  any chance you still have the header laying around and would sell?
> :
> 
> 
>   No.  It was very thin and rusted to hell.  I scrapped it.  Bill Fishel has
> one though...
> 
> Scooter
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Message: 10
Date: 9 Sep 2001 10:33:50 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] FW: HEAD GASKET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Sun, 09 September 2001, Michael Petrone wrote:

>I went back to them on Wednesday. >They told me that I can expect to
>hear some noise since they replaced >some lifter and valves and all the >springs and some of the older engine >parts are being stressed a little. 

Best case scenario is that they made a goof in matching the lifters back up with the cam lobes.  Lifters where in a particular way on the cam, and if a new cam is installed, new lifters must also be used.  If the same cam is re-installed, then the lifters must be used in the same position on the cam they were pulled from.  Same goes for the push rods and rocker arms. Normally, the rocker arms wouldn't be pulled all the way off for a head gasket replacement, and if the 4.0 engine is like the 3.5 it has rocker shafts anyway.  The long and short of it is that there is a problem that wasn't there before the repair, and it should be remedied.  BTW, I doubt they replaced any lifters or pushrods unless you complained about a significant amount of noise before they started on the project - unless they misplaced them during the repair.

The thing that bothers me about this tale is that the cost of parts to put in a new cam and lifters during a headgasket replacement is relatively minimal.  Further, at 144K miles, the new parts would have been beneficial.

Best of luck.

Bryan 
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 11
From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:31:49 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Vacuum gauge tip
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi all,

For those of you using a vacuum gauge for engine diagnostics, if you have a 
small needle vibration or a bit of needle wandering, before pulling the head 
to look for burnt or broken valves/weak valve springs etc (as per most of the 
charts):

First do a careful tune up with new points, condensor, cap and rotor.   I was 
seeing this symptom and figured it was a valve issue.  After a good tune up, 
the vibration and wandering went away--completely.

Nate (So glad I didn't pull the head)

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Message: 12
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:19:33 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Oil contamination
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When examining the bits of metal left in the gearbox oil, it helps to
have some idea of the sizes of the variuos tooth patterns in the box. 
Usually the first to go is the layshaft  first gear, however it is easy
to determine this due to the clicking that occurs when in first and or
reverse.
 A first gear tooth is staright and is perhaps 3 mm wide and has a flat
top.  Another frequent tooth shedder is the synchro hub, these teeth are
perhaps a couplre of mm wide with a sharp top, the loss of one or two of
these is not usually a problem.
The rest of the gears are helical, and are not prone to shedding teeth
unless foriegn objects are circulated in the oil, the contact ratio is
better,  which coupled with the helical shape spreds the load better

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 13
From: "The Stockdales" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:47:18 -0600
Subject: [lro] Harley Servicar
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If what you are looking for is the Harley built three wheeler.  AKA police
bike of the 50's and 60's then I know someone who you should talk to.  I
know a guy that restores them and used to work for my father in a steel
mill.  This gut was so fanatic about original parts that he would have some
rare obtuse part shipped from a wreck in a third world country.  It seem
that the US military shipped a few of them to Korea during that conflict we
took part in.  Anyway I really don't think he has e-mail, and I live about
1800 miles from there, but I'll ask my father if for his phone num.

Hurricane Mitch

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Message: 14
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Batteries (was more Exide, etc.)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:34:38 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have had great luck with my interstate battery and we have extremes for
temps....100+ F in the summer and down to -40 F and below wind temps in the
winter and it has withstood with no problems.  But actually, I think AC
Delco got the best review in Consumer Report.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
Of Faure, Marin
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 11:07 AM
To: 'Land Rover Mail Group'
Subject: [lro] Batteries (was more Exide, etc.)

Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:54:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] more (Exide/Optima) battery triva
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Sears, Roebuck own the DieHard brand.  Johnson Controls merely make the
things.

Some years ago I was told by someone I figured should know that there were
actually only two automotive battery manufacturers in the US, companies that
took raw materials and made batteries out of them.  All the brands- Die
Hard,
Interstate, etc.- were simply one iteration or another of the batteries made
by these
two companies.  Sort of like VCRs, of which there are only two or three
manufacturers in
the world.  Sony and Matsushida are, or at least used to be, the two
Japanese manufacturers.
All the other brands- Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, etc.- are actually
manufactured (to different
specifications) by either Sony or Matsushida.

And speaking of batteries, the Die Hard brand battery in my SIII has finally
called it quits after
about six or seven years.  I've had pretty good luck with Die Hards over the
last twenty-plus
years, so my inclination is to replace the Land Rover's battery with another
Die Hard.  Has anyone
had outstanding experience with any of the other brands in terms of
longevity?  Right now, I'm
starting the Land Rover with the crank, and I'm getting tired (literally) of
doing that.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]
_______________________________________________
LRO mailing list
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Message: 15
From: "Rolston" <[email-masked]>
To: "LR list" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:55:43 -0400
Subject: [lro] lockers for Salisbury rear diff
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone running Detroit lockers of a Salisbury diff?  or the lock-rites?
thanks, Jim

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Message: 16
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:30:14 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #81 - 37 msgs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/9/2001 1:09:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> Not that it would help me answer your question, but are servicar and
> sidecar the same thing? A small car with one wheel that attaches to the
> .

Jim-san

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Message: 17
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:51:19 EDT
Subject: : Re: [lro] Harley Davidson Servicar?
To: [email-masked]
CC: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jim Posted:

"Not that it would help me answer your question, but are servicar and sidecar 
the same thing? A small car with one wheel that attaches to the side of the 
motorcycle."

Not the same.  A sidecar is attached to a motorcycle.  The HD Servicar is a 
trike. They were built with two driven rear wheels.  The differential was 
open and had a chain sprocket where we would expect the ring gear. They were 
often bought by police departments and used for parking patrol.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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Message: 18
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mattias_Bostr=F6m?= <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: SV: [lro] Harley Servicar
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:25:46 +0200
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It is that one Im looking for. It would be great to get a hold of that man
that restores them.
I thank everyone at the list for their help on this non LR related matter.
The drinks are on me...

Best Regards
Mattias Bostrom
S.L.R.K #1329
Land Rover 90" -98 Tdi CSW
BMW 528i Touring
home page: http://user.tninet.se/~vwu213j
e-mail: [email-masked]

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fren: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]Fvr The
Stockdales
Skickat: den 10 september 2001 02:47
Till: [email-masked]
Dmne: [lro] Harley Servicar

If what you are looking for is the Harley built three wheeler.  AKA police
bike of the 50's and 60's then I know someone who you should talk to.  I
know a guy that restores them and used to work for my father in a steel
mill.  This gut was so fanatic about original parts that he would have some
rare obtuse part shipped from a wreck in a third world country.  It seem
that the US military shipped a few of them to Korea during that conflict we
took part in.  Anyway I really don't think he has e-mail, and I live about
1800 miles from there, but I'll ask my father if for his phone num.

Hurricane Mitch
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