Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #77 - 45 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 2-pump brakes...troubleshooting continued (Paul Oxley)
   2. Re: parabolics sag` (Peter Ogilvie)
   3. Re: 200 vs 300 (Peter Ogilvie)
   4. Re: 200 vs 300 (Ian Stuart)
   5. Re: 200 vs 300 (Paul Oxley)
   6. Re: 200 vs 300 ([email-masked])
   7. Re: John Craddock's Customer Service :( (Martin Rothman)
   8. Re: ambulance springs (John Cranfield)
   9. Re: John Craddock's Customer Service :( (RON WARD)
  10. RHD in the USA (Rob MacCormick)
  11. How to remove timing cover??? (george kase)
  12. Re: 200 vs 300 (William J. Rice)
  13. Re: John Craddock's Customer Service :( (Dick Joltes)
  14. Re: How to remove timing cover??? (Ian Stuart)
  15. Re: Diesel for winn's hybrid ([email-masked])
  16. Re: How to remove timing cover??? (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  17. John Tackley? (William J. Rice)
  18. RE: John Tackley? (Tackley, John)
  19. Re: John Craddock's Customer Service :( (Keith Tanner)
  20. Re: parabolics sag` (Keith Tanner)
  21. Re: RHD in the USA (Keith Tanner)
  22. Re: RHD in the USA (Rob MacCormick)
  23. Range Rover Cats' (Mark Pilkington)
  24. Re: parabolics sag` (Par Leijonhufvud)
  25. Re: RHD in the USA (Par Leijonhufvud)
  26. Re: RHD in the USA (David Scheidt)
  27. Re: 200 vs 300 (Paul Oxley)
  28. Re: Buying a Series (Faure, Marin)
  29. Re: Buying a Series (Faure, Marin)
  30. Re: Re: Buying a Series (Perrone Ford)
  31. Re: RHD in the USA (Keith Tanner)
  32. Re: Re: Buying a Series (Bryan Hoult)
  33. Re: RHD in the USA (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  34. Re: RHD in the USA (Rob MacCormick)
  35. Re: John Tackley? (William J. Rice)
  36. RE: Range Rover Cats' (Carl Kinkade)
  37. Re: 200 tdi is AWESOME! (Frank Elson)
  38. Re: 200 vs 300 ([email-masked])
  39. Re: John Craddock's Customer Service :( (Frank Elson)
  40. Re: Range Rover Cats' (Mark Pilkington)
  41. Re: ambulance springs (Rolston)
  42. This past weekend LR'ing (Scott Wickham)
  43. UK Registration marks (William L Leacock)
  44. 3M Velcro (Perrone Ford)
  45. Re: 200 vs 300 (Paul Oxley)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:39:03 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] 2-pump brakes...troubleshooting continued
Reply-To: [email-masked]

joe mulqueen wrote:
 
> I've had similar experiences.

Sure, ALL Series L-R's go through the multi-pump braking syndrome from
time to time. Just 88"'s, because of their relatively small reservoirs
and shorter brake lines are more susceptible than 109's. I've never
gotten more than 10000km's out of a brake adjustment on my 88", but on
my 109's, 110's and 127/130 I can go years between brake adjustments.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 2
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolics sag`
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 22:27:53 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If you don't like yourself, by all means, stick with stock springs

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: [email-masked]

>I would like to know as well . . .
>Is stock the way to go?
>Scott
>
> >
> > >They sag to the point where you wish you had your $600 back
> >
> > And is this personal experience - and how hard were you working the 
>truck
> > for how long before it?
> >
> > I'm seriously interested.

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Message: 3
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 22:39:00 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

2.5 turbo was based on the 2.5 NA.  Supposedly suffered from all the 
problems of the 2.5 only compounded by the addition of the turbo.  HP was 
something like 90.

Believe the 200 was an entirely new engine design or at least a major 
redesign of the 2.5.  Comes within a horsepower or two of the output of the 
300.  Biggest difference is they aren't nearly as smooth and quiet as the 
300.

The 300 wasn't a major performance increase, just a much more refined 
engine.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
>Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:25:20 -0600
>
>
>To the best of my understanding, the 200tdi is based on the 2.5 block,
>and the 300tdi is a ground-up engine design.   I asked the subject matter
>expert w/ whom I was talking what the diffo. was and he said, "about 15
>hp."  And he LOVES his 300 tdi's (has one in a 90 and one in a 100).
>
>Soooo, the 200tdi, being based on the 2.5, does match up w/ the series
>gearbox, tho' I think you have to ream out the metric holes or something
>like that.  Maybe ream out the bellhousing holes to mate up w/ the metric
>studs on the engine?
>
>bill
>
>On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:03:06 -1000 "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
>writes:
> >
> > whats the difference between the 200 and 300?  Is it CU? or
> > electronics or
> > both?
> > Is the 200 just a TDI version of the 2.5 diesel or a whole new
> > block?
> >
> > Pete
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Message: 4
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:27:26 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 2001-09-04 at 09:39, Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> 2.5 turbo was based on the 2.5 NA.  Supposedly suffered from all the 
> problems of the 2.5 only compounded by the addition of the turbo.  HP was 
> something like 90.
> 
> Believe the 200 was an entirely new engine design or at least a major 
> redesign of the 2.5.  Comes within a horsepower or two of the output of the 
> 300.  Biggest difference is they aren't nearly as smooth and quiet as the 
> 300.
> 
> The 300 wasn't a major performance increase, just a much more refined 
> engine.
Frank can probably tell you more than me on this one, however my memory
is that the 200 is a new engine, and the 300 is a refinement (and the
td5 is yet another new engine :)

The 300 is quieter (and slightly more complex) that the 200 - and the
200 is preferred for working vehicles.

Note: there are differences between the Defender and the Discovery
engines (mainly to do with the position of the air-cleaner, I think),
and between the engines mated to manual and automatic gearboxes [in
terms of power & perfomance, ignoring any mechanical aspects..]

-- 

--==++
Ian Stuart
A man in serious need of a Brain Transplant

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:12:47 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> Believe the 200 was an entirely new engine design or at least a major
> redesign of the 2.5.  Comes within a horsepower or two of the output of the
> 300.  Biggest difference is they aren't nearly as smooth and quiet as the
> 300.

Yup, and what does TDi stand for, and why is it significant?
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 05:54:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Assuming Land Rover doesn't have their own special definition --
	Turbo Direct Injection

					warren

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Paul Oxley wrote:

>
> Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>
> > Believe the 200 was an entirely new engine design or at least a major
> > redesign of the 2.5.  Comes within a horsepower or two of the output of the
> > 300.  Biggest difference is they aren't nearly as smooth and quiet as the
> > 300.
>
> Yup, and what does TDi stand for, and why is it significant?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com
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Message: 7
From: "Martin Rothman" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] John Craddock's Customer Service :(
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:36:26 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Derek

I have had similar experiences from several other suppliers.  Most of them 
couldn't care less.  However, don't bother with the shipping company because 
they will not accept ANY responsibility for loosing your order.  They will 
just refer you to the shipper (Craddocks) for them to put through an 
insurance claim.

If Craddocks and or the shipper says someone else signed for it, get a copy 
of the signature.  It is your right.  Craddocks should then put through an 
insurance claim for the missing items as well as replace them.  Also, try 
escalating your beef up the food chain at Craddocks.  If all else fails, try 
emailing to one (or more) of the LR magazines with your story and see if 
they  will put a bit of pressure on Craddocks on your behalf.  (It is the 
least they can do for what the magazines cost on this side of the Atlantic 
:)

Regards,

Martin Rothman

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:18:54 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] ambulance springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes the ambulance did use the 1 tonne springs.
John and Muddy

Rolston wrote:
> 
> Drove a friends Series 3 hardtop, kind of rough ride. The rear springs are 9
> leaves, the ones on our series 2A ambulance are only 8 leaves.  WE could use a
> bit of lift in the back of our ambulance anyway, does anyone know if the
> ambulance used the one-ton springs?  thanks, Jim
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:58:01 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] John Craddock's Customer Service :(
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ouch.  No experience with Craddock's but I can vouch for Mansfield Motors.  Excellent and prompt service and good prices from the UK.

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 09/03/01 11:07AM >>>

Attention All Land Rover Enthusiasts:

John Craddock's in UK does not take care of its
customers.  I ordered Land Rover parts on 19Apr01 from
them for over $200 of stuff, and still have not
received the shipment although they took the money
before it was even shipped.  They claim it was
recieved on 15May01, but someone else signed for it,
and now they won't give my money back.  Sound scary? 
What if this happened to you?  Don't let it happen to
you, don't order from John Craddock's in the UK, order
from someone repsectable like Paddocks or LR
Supermarket.

Please tell all your other Land Rover owner friends
about this incident!

Sincerely,
Derek A. Pommerenck
1973 LR Series III Diesel

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:06:31 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] RHD in the USA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just returned from a flawless week in Brooklin Maine during which I
drove 14 hours and slept in the dormobile for 7 nights.....I think I'll
make a ladle like stick for passing coins at toll booths....With oars,
bits of wood, cassettes, and other random flotsam between me and the
toll collector it was a stretch to make the reach.

Rob M
Concord, MA USA
wooden boat school enthusiast/alumni
'68 RHD dormobile

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Message: 11
Date: 04 Sep 2001 09:36:55 -0500
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] How to remove timing cover???
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi,
thought I would replace the front oil seal on my 2.25L
petrol Series IIa (1964)...I thinnk I got all the bolts
out...but how in hell does the thing come off? It doesn't
budge...any suggestions?
thanks
George Kase
Chicago

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Message: 12
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:12:25 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Yup, and what does TDi stand for, and why is it significant?
>  

I was reading an old issue of LRE last night and it said it stands for
Turbo Direct injection, Intercooled.  

Now why that's significant I dunno.  It said LR was the first auto
manufacturer to use a direct injection engine in a passenger vehicle, so
that was a major coup.  Apparently better efficiency and better starting
than indirect injection diesels . . .

bill

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:45:51 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] John Craddock's Customer Service :(
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I lived in the UK for 2 years (and stupidly moved back!).  When I first
arrived and was getting settled--setting up utilities at my flat, I
think--a British co-worker saw my exasperated expression and said "not
to worry, it's the UK.  There's no such thing as 'customer service' in
this country.  You'll soon get used to it."

Craddock seems no worse than anyone else and their prices are decent.

Cheers,

dj

Martin Rothman wrote:
> 
> Derek
> 
> I have had similar experiences from several other suppliers.  Most of them
> couldn't care less.  However, don't bother with the shipping company because
> they will not accept ANY responsibility for loosing your order.  They will
> just refer you to the shipper (Craddocks) for them to put through an
> insurance claim.

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Message: 14
Subject: Re: [lro] How to remove timing cover???
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: 04 Sep 2001 15:55:24 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 2001-09-04 at 15:36, george kase wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> thought I would replace the front oil seal on my 2.25L
> petrol Series IIa (1964)...I thinnk I got all the bolts
> out...but how in hell does the thing come off? It doesn't
> budge...any suggestions?
I take it that you've taken all the bolts from around the water-pump as
well as the larger ones on the main case?

Have you taken the bolts out of the sump?

The sump needs to be dropped (tilted) so that the housing slides off the
studs without tearing the sump-gasket. You need to loosen all the bolts
round the sump, but the rear ones only need to be backed off a wee bit,
and the front ones much more.

Aim for a 5mm gap at the front...

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A man in serious need of a Brain Transplant

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Message: 15
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:50:31 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: Diesel for winn's hybrid
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 09/04/2001 00:06:20, [email-masked] writes:

>I'm I sold believer in this engine.  If you get a chance to get one, do
>it.  I'd trade my souped-up V8 in the hybrid for one in a heartbeat.
>--
>Winn Bearden 

I'll bet you would, Winn. I know what sucky fuel mileage your hybrid gets.
Cheers!
John Dillingham
Vintage Rover Service
Canton, Georgia
85 Range Rover Vogue 5speed in need of hybridization, gets 15mpg
68 SWB series IIa 
72 SWB series III

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Message: 16
Subject: Re: [lro] How to remove timing cover???
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:49:17 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Likely it's stuck on the pins or it's been sealered into place. Whack it
with a wooden block and a mallet - not hard, but enough to vibrate it
loose.

Also, are you sure you got all the bolts (like the ones around the water
outlet)? it's not hard to miss 1 or 2....especially at the bottom of the
cover and the ones holding it from below.

When you do get the cover off, make sure you modify the oil seal mudshield
so it can be removed from the front - you'll never have to do the job again
by removing the cover.

                    ajr

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Message: 17
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:28:44 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] John Tackley?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

John,
Can you e-mail me off list?  I don't have your e-mail address and would
like to ask some questions re. the disc brakes.

thanks,
bill

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Message: 18
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] John Tackley?
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:55:26 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

OK, I'm listening...

-----Original Message-----
From: William J. Rice [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:29 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] John Tackley?

John,
Can you e-mail me off list?  I don't have your e-mail address and would
like to ask some questions re. the disc brakes.

thanks,
bill
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:56:14 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] John Craddock's Customer Service :(
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I have had similar experiences from several other suppliers.  Most of them 
>couldn't care less.  However, don't bother with the shipping company 
>because they will not accept ANY responsibility for loosing your 
>order.  They will just refer you to the shipper (Craddocks) for them to 
>put through an insurance claim.

...and pay very close attention to what happens next. I had a shipping 
problem with Paddock, asked them to put in a claim and they didn't. The end 
result was that I shelled out $400 Cdn in shipping that took weeks to 
arrive. None of the UK LR suppliers have astounded me with their customer 
service.

Keith

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:57:32 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolics sag`
Reply-To: [email-masked]

By the way, I can confirm that while three-leaf parabolics ride just fine 
on an 88" station wagon, when you pull the hardtop off the ride gets very 
hard.  Ouch.

Keith

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:58:00 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RHD in the USA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Could you turn around and reverse through the gates?

Keith

At 08:06 9/4/01, you wrote:

>Just returned from a flawless week in Brooklin Maine during which I
>drove 14 hours and slept in the dormobile for 7 nights.....I think I'll
>make a ladle like stick for passing coins at toll booths....With oars,
>bits of wood, cassettes, and other random flotsam between me and the
>toll collector it was a stretch to make the reach.
>
>Rob M
>Concord, MA USA
>wooden boat school enthusiast/alumni
>'68 RHD dormobile
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:13:52 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] RHD in the USA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anything is possible......But with road rage on the rise and twenty zillion
other vehicles squeezing through tolls at times it would seem to be a poor
solution....Additionally the turning radius of my vehicle has been described
as being similar to that of the QE2...Cheers!

Keith Tanner wrote:

> Could you turn around and reverse through the gates?
>
> Keith
>
> At 08:06 9/4/01, you wrote:
>
> >Just returned from a flawless week in Brooklin Maine during which I
> >drove 14 hours and slept in the dormobile for 7 nights.....I think I'll
> >make a ladle like stick for passing coins at toll booths....With oars,
> >bits of wood, cassettes, and other random flotsam between me and the
> >toll collector it was a stretch to make the reach.
> >
> >Rob M
> >Concord, MA USA
> >wooden boat school enthusiast/alumni
> >'68 RHD dormobile
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:18:59 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Range Rover Cats'
Reply-To: [email-masked]

To totally get rid of the Range Rover exhaust rattle, all you have to do is go to
a custom exhaust shop and have them replace the whole thing from the headers back
with new and modern stuff.  I had two new cats and bigger pipe all the way to the
back. One muffler instead of two and new Oxygen sensors. Even a little chrome
tailpipe.  They built and fitted it while I waited and it cost $400. (Four
hundred) It sailed through smog and it does 22 MPG.  It is a 1990 Range Rover
Classic.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington.
"For once you have tasted Rovering, you will walk the Earth with your eyes turned
trailwards,  for there you have been and there you long to return"
L Da Vinci. (Modified and Plagerised!)

[email-masked] wrote:

> In a message dated 9/3/01 11:11:32 PM, [email-masked] writes:
>
> >t's
> >annoying, and we sound a bit Ma & Pa Kettle when we go through a
> >drive-thru.  But the replacement, which includes both catalytic converters
> >plus the Y-pipes up to the exhaust manifolds, is $1,500 dollars
>
> take off the cat, dump it out, break out remaining crap inside.  hey, if its
> broken already, why not break it more, see if it passes emissions, then leave
> it that way! and if it doesnt pass, you had to replace it anyways!
>
> adam
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:17:59 +0200
From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolics sag`
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Keith Tanner <[email-masked]> [2001.09.04] wrote:
> 
> By the way, I can confirm that while three-leaf parabolics ride just fine 
> on an 88" station wagon, when you pull the hardtop off the ride gets very 
> hard.  Ouch.

Ok, question time. SIII 109 STW, sometimes unloaded -- except by the
astounding selection of tools, jack stands, entrenching tools, etc that
accumulates -- and sometimes loaded as far as it will go. Will
parabolics work for me, or is the regular (or HD) the way to go?

/Par

-- 
Par Leijonhufvud                                      [email-masked]
Luser, n.: Human-like creature that doesn't dare to use elevator, because
of its belief that only horrible geeks can master arcane and obscure art of
using control panel.  

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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:20:36 +0200
From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] RHD in the USA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]> [2001.09.04] wrote:
> 
> Anything is possible......But with road rage on the rise and twenty zillion
> other vehicles squeezing through tolls at times it would seem to be a poor
> solution....Additionally the turning radius of my vehicle has been described
> as being similar to that of the QE2...Cheers!

Unfair! With bow propellers ships can turn in surprisingly small radii.

/Par

-- 
Par Leijonhufvud                                      [email-masked]
"Surely the 98% of DNA we share with monkeys must be enough to stop
people from sinking this low. " -- Frossie, A.S.R

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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:31:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RHD in the USA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Par Leijonhufvud wrote:

:
:Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]> [2001.09.04] wrote:
:>
:> Anything is possible......But with road rage on the rise and twenty zillion
:> other vehicles squeezing through tolls at times it would seem to be a poor
:> solution....Additionally the turning radius of my vehicle has been described
:> as being similar to that of the QE2...Cheers!
:
:Unfair! With bow propellers ships can turn in surprisingly small radii.
:

Well, even with bow props, and lots of tugs, you're unlikely to get the QEII
turned around in less than 500' radius circle.  (Half her length, roughly.)

-- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:48:34 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] wrote:
 
> Assuming Land Rover doesn't have their own special definition --
>         Turbo Direct Injection

Actually they do (LR that is). Most (all) other manufacturers use TDI to
mean Turbo Diesel Intercooled.

The question is actually why Land-Rover use Turbo Direct Injection?
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 28
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:04:00 -0700 
Subject: [lro] Re: Buying a Series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:14:32 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Buying a Series
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>take off the cat, dump it out, break out remaining crap inside.  hey, if
its 
broken already, why not break it more, see if it passes emissions, then
leave 
it that way! and if it doesnt pass, you had to replace it anyways!

Nice idea, but the whole thing's welded together.  The effort to remove the 
converter to dump out whatever's loose is the same as replacing the 
whole damn thing.  I'd have to get a shop to cut off the converter and 
then weld it back into the pipe again.  If I'm going to spend the time doing

that, I might as well replace everything rather than doing the same job
twice.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Message: 29
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:11:53 -0700 
Subject: [lro] Re: Buying a Series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Buying a Series
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:45:32 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I'm surprised you haven't read my exhaust article on the Spanish Trail
page.  I've replaced both cats and added a muffler for less than $275.  Both
cats are smaller than the LR genuine parts and seem to flow better.  Check
out the article, as it gives parts numbers and sources for all parts.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to screw around with this thing.  Ordering 
parts, finding a shop to cut things out and weld things in is simply not 
something I have time to do.  Eventually, I'll find an evening to rip off
the whole 
Y-assembly and converters and replace them with the factory unit, which 
should take about an hour once the vehicle's up on a lift.  Twenty years ago
I had 
time to mess around with vehicles, but those days are long gone.  If I can't

deal with it in an hour or two, it either gets deferred or I send it to a
shop.  Vehicles 
stopped being an interest of mine (as far as working on them) in the early
80s.  
I still do all the maintenance on my SIII and most of the maintenance on the

Range Rover, but only those things that affect the operation of the vehicle.

Anything else, like leaky seals or noisy catalytic converters, get put off
until 
I get tired of the leak or noise, or until they start affecting the
operation of the 
vehicle.  Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm afraid it's too time consuming 
to deal with.

___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:38:10 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Buying a Series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin,

    The parts to do everything I did on my truck were available at the 
local muffler shop. I didn't know that when I ordered my parts from 
Summit.   They need only know that you have a 2 1/8"  pipe.  Total time 
to cut out the old cats, install new ones, and fit a new muffler was 
about 45 minutes. once it was on the lift.  Total cost ~$225 including 
parts and labor.

-Perrone

Faure, Marin wrote:

>From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: RE: [lro] Buying a Series
>Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:45:32 -0400
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>
>>I'm surprised you haven't read my exhaust article on the Spanish Trail
>>
>page.  I've replaced both cats and added a muffler for less than $275.  Both
>cats are smaller than the LR genuine parts and seem to flow better.  Check
>out the article, as it gives parts numbers and sources for all parts.
>
>Unfortunately, I don't have time to screw around with this thing.  Ordering 
>parts, finding a shop to cut things out and weld things in is simply not 
>something I have time to do.  Eventually, I'll find an evening to rip off
>the whole 
>Y-assembly and converters and replace them with the factory unit, which 
>should take about an hour once the vehicle's up on a lift.  Twenty years ago
>I had 
>time to mess around with vehicles, but those days are long gone.  If I can't
>
>deal with it in an hour or two, it either gets deferred or I send it to a
>shop.  Vehicles 
>stopped being an interest of mine (as far as working on them) in the early
>80s.  
>I still do all the maintenance on my SIII and most of the maintenance on the
>
>Range Rover, but only those things that affect the operation of the vehicle.
>
>Anything else, like leaky seals or noisy catalytic converters, get put off
>until 
>I get tired of the leak or noise, or until they start affecting the
>operation of the 
>vehicle.  Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm afraid it's too time consuming 
>to deal with.

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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:08:06 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RHD in the USA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Time to learn how to do a bootleg turn in a Series, then.

Keith

At 09:13 9/4/01, you wrote:

>Anything is possible......But with road rage on the rise and twenty zillion
>other vehicles squeezing through tolls at times it would seem to be a poor
>solution....Additionally the turning radius of my vehicle has been described
>as being similar to that of the QE2...Cheers!
>
>Keith Tanner wrote:
>
> > Could you turn around and reverse through the gates?
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > At 08:06 9/4/01, you wrote:
> >
> > >Just returned from a flawless week in Brooklin Maine during which I
> > >drove 14 hours and slept in the dormobile for 7 nights.....I think I'll
> > >make a ladle like stick for passing coins at toll booths....With oars,
> > >bits of wood, cassettes, and other random flotsam between me and the
> > >toll collector it was a stretch to make the reach.
> > >
> > >Rob M
> > >Concord, MA USA
> > >wooden boat school enthusiast/alumni
> > >'68 RHD dormobile
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >LRO mailing list
> > >[email-masked]
> > >http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> >
> > ------------
> > Keith's page de home:
> >     http://keith.miata.net
> > ------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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>[email-masked]
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Message: 32
Date: 4 Sep 2001 10:29:14 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Buying a Series
Reply-To: [email-masked]

So the waning interest in vehicle repair followed roughly ten years of series ownership......at least I have something to look forward to.  If my repair/restoration efforts continue at their current pace I will likely not accomplish anything else in life.

Bryan 
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

On Tue, 04 September 2001, "Faure, Marin" wrote:

> 
> 
> From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: RE: [lro] Buying a Series
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:45:32 -0400
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
> 
> >I'm surprised you haven't read my exhaust article on the Spanish Trail
> page.  I've replaced both cats and added a muffler for less than $275.  Both
> cats are smaller than the LR genuine parts and seem to flow better.  Check
> out the article, as it gives parts numbers and sources for all parts.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't have time to screw around with this thing.  Ordering 
> parts, finding a shop to cut things out and weld things in is simply not 
> something I have time to do.  Eventually, I'll find an evening to rip off
> the whole 
> Y-assembly and converters and replace them with the factory unit, which 
> should take about an hour once the vehicle's up on a lift.  Twenty years ago
> I had 
> time to mess around with vehicles, but those days are long gone.  If I can't
> 
> deal with it in an hour or two, it either gets deferred or I send it to a
> shop.  Vehicles 
> stopped being an interest of mine (as far as working on them) in the early
> 80s.  
> I still do all the maintenance on my SIII and most of the maintenance on the
> 
> Range Rover, but only those things that affect the operation of the vehicle.
> 
> Anything else, like leaky seals or noisy catalytic converters, get put off
> until 
> I get tired of the leak or noise, or until they start affecting the
> operation of the 
> vehicle.  Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm afraid it's too time consuming 
> to deal with.
> 
> ___________________________
> C. Marin Faure
>   (original owner)
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>   Seattle
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

________________________________________________
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Message: 33
Subject: Re: [lro] RHD in the USA
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:27:42 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Time to learn how to do a bootleg turn in a Series, then.

Keith

Not on my halfshafts, thank'ee.....though with the Salisbury axle he has in
that damn elephant he might just be able to do it.

                         aj"Adjust your steering stops, damnit! 8*)"r

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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:36:05 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] RHD in the USA
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Its on "the list"....Adjusting the steering stops that is........

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Time to learn how to do a bootleg turn in a Series, then.
>
> Keith
>
> Not on my halfshafts, thank'ee.....though with the Salisbury axle he has in
> that damn elephant he might just be able to do it.
>
>                          aj"Adjust your steering stops, damnit! 8*)"r
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 35
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:00:59 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] John Tackley?
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, I guess I'll just write you on-list, then.  A friend of mine here
(new LR owner, but long time j**p person, custom fabricator, and
machinist--in short, a great guy to know) is building a 109 uber-truck
(EFI 302, T18, lengthened front springs, power steering, etc etc) and is
currently researching disc brake options for it--trying to find domestic
componenets for it.  I remember seeing your website on the TIC
conversion, but I've lost the URL, so if you could send that my way
that'd be great. 

Also if you want to share any info re the components in that system, what
they custom-made to make it work, and the dimensions (he's trying to fit
a system inside 15" wheels), that'd be even greater.

Thanks,
bill

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:55:26 -0400 "Tackley, John"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> OK, I'm listening...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William J. Rice [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:29 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] John Tackley?
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> Can you e-mail me off list?  I don't have your e-mail address and 
> would
> like to ask some questions re. the disc brakes.
> 
> thanks,
> bill
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 36
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Range Rover Cats'
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:55:26 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What 02 sensors did you use?  The ones for the Range Rover are $180 apiece.

And if you don't mind, I would like to know the complete specs for your
system.  I have a cracked pipe just ahead of my right cat and the
replacement cat is $800.  So, if a whole system would be cheaper than
replacing the cat, I will do that.

Thanks
Carl
'95 RR LWB

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
Of Mark Pilkington
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:19 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Range Rover Cats'

To totally get rid of the Range Rover exhaust rattle, all you have to do is
go to
a custom exhaust shop and have them replace the whole thing from the headers
back
with new and modern stuff.  I had two new cats and bigger pipe all the way
to the
back. One muffler instead of two and new Oxygen sensors. Even a little
chrome
tailpipe.  They built and fitted it while I waited and it cost $400. (Four
hundred) It sailed through smog and it does 22 MPG.  It is a 1990 Range
Rover
Classic.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington.
"For once you have tasted Rovering, you will walk the Earth with your eyes
turned
trailwards,  for there you have been and there you long to return"
L Da Vinci. (Modified and Plagerised!)

[email-masked] wrote:

> In a message dated 9/3/01 11:11:32 PM, [email-masked] writes:
>
> >t's
> >annoying, and we sound a bit Ma & Pa Kettle when we go through a
> >drive-thru.  But the replacement, which includes both catalytic
converters
> >plus the Y-pipes up to the exhaust manifolds, is $1,500 dollars
>
> take off the cat, dump it out, break out remaining crap inside.  hey, if
its
> broken already, why not break it more, see if it passes emissions, then
leave
> it that way! and if it doesnt pass, you had to replace it anyways!
>
> adam
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 37
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 tdi is AWESOME!
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:05:14 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill Rice wrote: >>>a 200tdi in a 110 and he said that I'd
> have to move the breakfast and radiator forward to get it and its
> intercooler in the engine bay of my 109<<<

Cobblers! (quaint English expression meaning 'actually old chap that is not
correct')

Because the 110 breakfast and radiator is so far forward - a styling
exercise only - Land Rover had to add a lengthener to the fan shroud.
 I've seen a host of Tdis in Ser motors, oddly enough here in the UK it is a
popular modification and it does fit fairly easily.
 I say fairly because the fan is bigger and wider and ends up very close to
the radiator.
 But notice I said close, like half an inch, it doesn't touch.
 Not only that but the intercooler and  radiator combination (which you have
to budget for if you're doing the job) fits exactly in place of the standard
Ser radiator with no major modifications.
 It's ever so slightly wider (cos it's smaller, having to have an
intercooler alongside it) but it does fit.
 Because of our weather an electric fan is a very popular mod in the UK as
well and most people going to the bother of fitting a Tdi fit 'lecky fans at
the same time so this is fairly normal. Gives you a bit more space but I
know a good few running normal (plastic) fans.
 Those people who want the fan more than half an inch away either fit lecky
or just bung a thinner metal ser fan on.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 38
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:16:45 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 9/4/01 6:57:38 AM, [email-masked] writes:

>Yup, and what does TDi stand for

Turbo Direct Injection

adam

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Message: 39
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] John Craddock's Customer Service :(
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:35:50 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Derek, d'you want to email me off-line. I will be seeing John Craddock at
the weekend.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Rothman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] John Craddock's Customer Service :(

>
> Derek
>
> I have had similar experiences from several other suppliers.  Most of them
> couldn't care less.  However, don't bother with the shipping company
because
> they will not accept ANY responsibility for loosing your order.  They will
> just refer you to the shipper (Craddocks) for them to put through an
> insurance claim.
>
> If Craddocks and or the shipper says someone else signed for it, get a
copy
> of the signature.  It is your right.  Craddocks should then put through an
> insurance claim for the missing items as well as replace them.  Also, try
> escalating your beef up the food chain at Craddocks.  If all else fails,
try
> emailing to one (or more) of the LR magazines with your story and see if
> they  will put a bit of pressure on Craddocks on your behalf.  (It is the
> least they can do for what the magazines cost on this side of the Atlantic
> :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Rothman
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 40
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:38:36 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Range Rover Cats'
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Carl,
    Sorry, I cannot get specific because I just drove in and sat there for two
hours and drove out. Fuel consumption went down and it smogged easily and very
clean.  I can tell you that it was Marco Muffler in Sacramento which is a 916
area code. Try calling them direct and see what they say.  I took it there on
the reccomendation of a friend and was very pleased with the result.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Carl Kinkade wrote:

> What 02 sensors did you use?  The ones for the Range Rover are $180 apiece.
>
> And if you don't mind, I would like to know the complete specs for your
> system.  I have a cracked pipe just ahead of my right cat and the
> replacement cat is $800.  So, if a whole system would be cheaper than
> replacing the cat, I will do that.
>
> Thanks
> Carl
> '95 RR LWB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of Mark Pilkington
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:19 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] Range Rover Cats'
>
> To totally get rid of the Range Rover exhaust rattle, all you have to do is
> go to
> a custom exhaust shop and have them replace the whole thing from the headers
> back
> with new and modern stuff.  I had two new cats and bigger pipe all the way
> to the
> back. One muffler instead of two and new Oxygen sensors. Even a little
> chrome
> tailpipe.  They built and fitted it while I waited and it cost $400. (Four
> hundred) It sailed through smog and it does 22 MPG.  It is a 1990 Range
> Rover
> Classic.
> Kind regards,
> Mark Pilkington.
> "For once you have tasted Rovering, you will walk the Earth with your eyes
> turned
> trailwards,  for there you have been and there you long to return"
> L Da Vinci. (Modified and Plagerised!)
>
> [email-masked] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 9/3/01 11:11:32 PM, [email-masked] writes:
> >
> > >t's
> > >annoying, and we sound a bit Ma & Pa Kettle when we go through a
> > >drive-thru.  But the replacement, which includes both catalytic
> converters
> > >plus the Y-pipes up to the exhaust manifolds, is $1,500 dollars
> >
> > take off the cat, dump it out, break out remaining crap inside.  hey, if
> its
> > broken already, why not break it more, see if it passes emissions, then
> leave
> > it that way! and if it doesnt pass, you had to replace it anyways!
> >
> > adam
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 41
From: "Rolston" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] ambulance springs
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:57:57 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

So does anyone know why the series 3 have nine leaves and our ambulance only
8?  J

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Message: 42
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:53:28 -0400
Subject: [lro] This past weekend LR'ing
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  This Labor day weekend we had a club outing to Central Pa. Off-Road park
in Altoona, Pa.  Only myself and Bill Fishel showed up so I guess others
were busy.  We had a great time at the park.  Lots of good trails that and
Series Rover could go on.  No winch needed (unless you wanted to try some
near impossible stuff).  We had set up camp in one of the spots that Dave
Walls (the owner) had set aside with a fire ring and spots for tents already
there.  This I marked with the GPS 'cause we'd have never found it again!
Bill and I had our fill of trail riding when we left.  There are a ton of
trails of varying degrees of difficulty.  I tried a hill climb that Dave
told me no Rovers have been up yet.  His trail leader, another Dave, walked
up it in his CJ-7 (36" MT's and 2 Detroits helped).  I failed to make it 10'
up.  This is a hill that is basically bowling ball size rocks all the way up
it.  Later that night Bill and I went back and I tried again.  I figured I'd
go as far as I could and just winch up the rest of the way.  What a workout.
Time we got to the top it was night so on came the Hella's to blaze a path
back to camp for some cold ones and dinner.
  Dave is a super nice guy too.  His place is located in Altoona,
Pennsylvania at: 40*29'01N
078*24'12W
(for you GPS owners)
   We spent the night at:
 40*28'43N
078*21'49W
  I have no affiliation with his property except I have 'wheeled there a few
times.  Bill and I also got to film some stuff there and will have footage
at the next meeting.  Some good stuff coming back up  the last power line,
we almost didn't make it.  Lots of fun and we'll be back again.

Scott Wickham Jr.
Pgh., Pa.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
'72 SIII
'84 RR (for sale $4500)

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Message: 43
To: [email-masked], [email-masked],
  [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:40:26 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] UK Registration marks
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  Some time ago Frank posted an article on UK registration marks which
has just been reprinted in the latest OVLR newsletter.  Being a smart SOB
I never bothered to read the article when it was in the digest, but have
read it in the OVLR News.  There is some information missing from the
article.  At some stage in the letters game some of the registration
codes  were re allocated. A lot of the smaller offices were closed and
their numbers re assigned to other areas.  I would guess in the 
seventies, but it could have been in the sixties.  I no longer own the AA
book which used to list them all.  (As a child my brother and I  used to
play number spotting games on long journeys)  For example my home town
Bradford was issued with the letters AK, KY and KU, these are listed now
for Sheffield.   So if you have an older Land Rover and want to trace
it's origins the list is unreliable in it's current form.
Frank, can you find out when the licensing offices were consolidated?

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 44
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:23:15 -0400
Subject: [lro] 3M Velcro
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The fastener from 3M that works like super Velcro is:

Dual Lock Reclosable Fastening System MP3560

Its about 10 times the strength of regular Velcro with a VERY good adhesive
back.  Worked really well even here in the FL sun.

-P

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Message: 45
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:35:09 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] 200 vs 300
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"William J. Rice" wrote:

> Now why that's significant I dunno.  It said LR was the first auto
> manufacturer to use a direct injection engine in a passenger vehicle, so
> that was a major coup. 

Yep! You nailed it. The 200 TDi was the first (beating Audi to the punch
by a couple of weeks), and in honour of this L-R resisted the temptation
to go with the industry standard (where the fact that it's turbo diesel
automatically implies direct injection - in light motor vehicles at
least), and named the 300 also a Turbo Direct Injection.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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