Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #73 - 26 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: tracedges. (Paul Oxley)
   2. Re: tracedges. (Paul Oxley)
   3. parabolics sag` (Chris Schramm)
   4. Re: parabolics sag` (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   5. Re: Cooper SST? (Tom Rowe)
   6. Re: tracedges. (RON WARD)
   7. RE: Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (RON WARD)
   8. RE: Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Perrone Ford)
   9. RE: Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (RON WARD)
  10. Re: leaf springs (Kirk Hillman)
  11. Re: parabolics (Keith Tanner)
  12. Re: Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (William J. Rice)
  13. Re: Leaf springs (Faure, Marin)
  14. Re: High-priced 109s (was gas mileage) ([email-masked])
  15. Re: Re: leaf spring anti-friction liners (Mark Pilkington)
  16. Re: leaf springs (DaveB)
  17. Re: leaf springs (DaveB)
  18. Re: leaf springs (DaveB)
  19. Re: leaf springs ([email-masked])
  20. Re: leaf springs ([email-masked])
  21. Re: leaf springs (David Scheidt)
  22. DISREGARD - TEST (no LR content) ([email-masked])
  23. Re: DISREGARD - TEST (no LR content) (Jim Hall)
  24. Re: Seats? -Volvo? (Nick Danger)
  25. RE: DISREGARD - TEST (no LR content) (Lee Jones)
  26. Re: Seats? -Volvo? (Bill Fishel)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:43:55 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
 
> 235/85/16 were stock on the European D90s.  Don't know if that was true of
> the V8s as well as the diesels, however. 

African 90's and 110's (V8/2.8i/TDi/TD5) all come with 235/85/16.

> 265/75/16 are slightly smaller in
> diameter than the 235/85/16 I believe.

265X75 gives a sidewall height of 198.75mm
235X85 = 199.75mm

So it's pretty much even.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:40:40 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Paul Oxley wrote:

> African 90's and 110's (V8/2.8i/TDi/TD5) all come with 235/85/16.

The infamous Continental ("German technology where you need it most on a
car" - Hah!) Conti-Tracks (or as they are known far and wide,
'Conticracks' or 'Conticraps' due to their ability to develop deep
splits and cracks in their sidewalls the moment they roll off the
dealership floor). Most new buyers bitch and moan until LR changes the
tyres for something halfway decent. Conti insists that it has changed
the compound, but few people seem prepared to trust anything they say
anymore.

BTW, several BFG's have also been reported to develop internal sidewall
cracks (only visible if you remove the tyre and inspect the inside of
the casing). Although Michelin claims that this is not a serious problem
I know of a least one guy who has had a deflation problem because of it.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:19:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Schramm <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] parabolics sag`
Reply-To: [email-masked]

They sag to the point where you wish you had your $600 back
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Message: 4
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolics sag`
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:38:46 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>They sag to the point where you wish you had your $600 back

And is this personal experience - and how hard were you working the truck
for how long before it?

I'm seriously interested.

               aj"Been thinking of them for Miss Jess..."r

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Message: 5
From: "Tom Rowe" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:09:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [lro] Cooper SST?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT), joe mulqueen wrote:

>Speaking of tires, does anyone have any
>opinions/experience with this MT similar tire?  I
>borrowed a friends 88 and they seemed OK with not a
>lot of road roar.

I have 7.50x16 Cooper SST's on my Disco. They seem to have performed well for me 
in mud, both thick gooey and wet sloppy.
Personally I think they *are* noisy on the road, but if I had them on my Lightweight, I 
might not ;-)
For years I ran Co-op brand tiers that are very similar to the coopers, strictly off-road 
and liked them, although they were obviously worthless (as would be the coopers) on 
ice. I chained all for corners.
The coopers are pretty reasonably priced as well, I got 5 for about $550 with shipping.
Cheers

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
        in places even more inaccessible

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:26:02 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The 235 85 is 1mm taller than the 265 75, but an inch or so narrower.

>>> [email-masked] 08/30/01 06:43PM >>>

Now I want to put some 235/85/16s on the D90 and I got the same
story.

  Your putting smaller tires on the D90 than it came with?  I thought the
D90's had 265/75/16's or are these 32" tall too?

Scooter
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:30:37 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How about IH Scout?  Pretty tough little rig and readily available down here in the southern US...

>>> [email-masked] 08/30/01 11:05PM >>>

Guys,

	I should have specified that I wasn't talking about the ex-mod types.  I
wanted the county spec or similar.  Something with the full complement of
seats and no bulkhead behind the front seats.  The prices I have seen for
those types of rovers are quite expensive.

	Basically I have decided my next vehicle will be DIRT simple, and cheaper
to maintain.  So I am looking at either an early bronco, a series rover, or
a Unimog.  The Unimog is WAY out in front right now on capability, utility,
and cost.  It's losing out to the other two in practicality, and the ability
to be modified for highway power (though that is being looked at).

	Glad to hear from you guys that have owned old broncos and scouts or those
of you who might have a buddy with a Unimog.  I've been involved with
Unimogs for 3 years now so I am pretty familiar with them, but always love
to hear comparisons.

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of Hope Peter
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:53 PM
> To: [email-masked] 
> Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
>
>
>
> > >I have YET to find a 109 in good
> > >condition for under $15k.
> >
> > Then you aren't looking in the right places. An ex-MOD 109 can
> be had, on
> > the dock and drive it home for 6K or thereabouts in very good condition.
> >
>
> I have had the chance to drive/ride in a ex-OZ-MoD 109 HT that cost 1600
> American plus another 1000 to ship to Hawaii.  Don't know how
> much extra it
> would have cost to ship straight from Oz to the west coast...but it's $845
> from Honolulu to Long Beach, Sa Fran, or Seattle.
> It's green, 12 volt, rhd, 2.25 liter.  Body is very straight, runs strong,
> great price.
> You can fit 2 109s an an 88 into a 40' container.  UK to the East Coast is
> under 2k.  Anyone on this list really think there isn't a 30%
> markup on all
> those 8k exMod rovers you see for sale on LRX?
> Pete
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Message: 8
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:30:37 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ron,

	If you re-read the last paragraph in that email, I mentioned scouts. :)

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of RON WARD
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:31 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: RE: [lro] Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges.
>
>
>
> How about IH Scout?  Pretty tough little rig and readily
> available down here in the southern US...
>
> >>> [email-masked] 08/30/01 11:05PM >>>
>
> Guys,
>
> 	I should have specified that I wasn't talking about the
> ex-mod types.  I
> wanted the county spec or similar.  Something with the full complement of
> seats and no bulkhead behind the front seats.  The prices I have seen for
> those types of rovers are quite expensive.
>
> 	Basically I have decided my next vehicle will be DIRT
> simple, and cheaper
> to maintain.  So I am looking at either an early bronco, a series
> rover, or
> a Unimog.  The Unimog is WAY out in front right now on
> capability, utility,
> and cost.  It's losing out to the other two in practicality, and
> the ability
> to be modified for highway power (though that is being looked at).
>
> 	Glad to hear from you guys that have owned old broncos and
> scouts or those
> of you who might have a buddy with a Unimog.  I've been involved with
> Unimogs for 3 years now so I am pretty familiar with them, but always love
> to hear comparisons.
>
> -P
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> > Of Hope Peter
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:53 PM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >I have YET to find a 109 in good
> > > >condition for under $15k.
> > >
> > > Then you aren't looking in the right places. An ex-MOD 109 can
> > be had, on
> > > the dock and drive it home for 6K or thereabouts in very good
> condition.
> > >
> >
> > I have had the chance to drive/ride in a ex-OZ-MoD 109 HT that cost 1600
> > American plus another 1000 to ship to Hawaii.  Don't know how
> > much extra it
> > would have cost to ship straight from Oz to the west
> coast...but it's $845
> > from Honolulu to Long Beach, Sa Fran, or Seattle.
> > It's green, 12 volt, rhd, 2.25 liter.  Body is very straight,
> runs strong,
> > great price.
> > You can fit 2 109s an an 88 into a 40' container.  UK to the
> East Coast is
> > under 2k.  Anyone on this list really think there isn't a 30%
> > markup on all
> > those 8k exMod rovers you see for sale on LRX?
> > Pete
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:50:44 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry, should have known you would not have missed an obvious option.

>>> [email-masked] 08/31/01 08:30AM >>>

Ron,

	If you re-read the last paragraph in that email, I mentioned scouts. :)

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of RON WARD
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:31 AM
> To: [email-masked] 
> Subject: RE: [lro] Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges.
>
>
>
> How about IH Scout?  Pretty tough little rig and readily
> available down here in the southern US...
>
> >>> [email-masked] 08/30/01 11:05PM >>>
>
> Guys,
>
> 	I should have specified that I wasn't talking about the
> ex-mod types.  I
> wanted the county spec or similar.  Something with the full complement of
> seats and no bulkhead behind the front seats.  The prices I have seen for
> those types of rovers are quite expensive.
>
> 	Basically I have decided my next vehicle will be DIRT
> simple, and cheaper
> to maintain.  So I am looking at either an early bronco, a series
> rover, or
> a Unimog.  The Unimog is WAY out in front right now on
> capability, utility,
> and cost.  It's losing out to the other two in practicality, and
> the ability
> to be modified for highway power (though that is being looked at).
>
> 	Glad to hear from you guys that have owned old broncos and
> scouts or those
> of you who might have a buddy with a Unimog.  I've been involved with
> Unimogs for 3 years now so I am pretty familiar with them, but always love
> to hear comparisons.
>
> -P
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> > Of Hope Peter
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:53 PM
> > To: [email-masked] 
> > Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >I have YET to find a 109 in good
> > > >condition for under $15k.
> > >
> > > Then you aren't looking in the right places. An ex-MOD 109 can
> > be had, on
> > > the dock and drive it home for 6K or thereabouts in very good
> condition.
> > >
> >
> > I have had the chance to drive/ride in a ex-OZ-MoD 109 HT that cost 1600
> > American plus another 1000 to ship to Hawaii.  Don't know how
> > much extra it
> > would have cost to ship straight from Oz to the west
> coast...but it's $845
> > from Honolulu to Long Beach, Sa Fran, or Seattle.
> > It's green, 12 volt, rhd, 2.25 liter.  Body is very straight,
> runs strong,
> > great price.
> > You can fit 2 109s an an 88 into a 40' container.  UK to the
> East Coast is
> > under 2k.  Anyone on this list really think there isn't a 30%
> > markup on all
> > those 8k exMod rovers you see for sale on LRX?
> > Pete
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Message: 10
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:07:32 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just a note.  Some people around here call a Buggy spring setup '3/4
elliptical'.  That makes more practical sense to me.

Kirk

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:22:34 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolics
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>FWIW.  I think 3 leafers on the rear of an 88 defeat the whole purpose of 
>putting parabolics on a Series truck.  Why even go to parabolics if your 
>going to put too stiff springs on it.

They seem to work well enough on my truck (88 wagon). Keith Elliot has 
2-leafs on his 88 soft-top and the ride isn't really any different at the 
rear. They're equally capable off-road as long as Keith doesn't try to go 
swimming :)

Keith Tanner

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Message: 12
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:19:05 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and tracedges.
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Yeah, but what about an old International Scout?

bill

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:30:37 -0400 "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
writes:
> 
> Ron,
> 
>         If you re-read the last paragraph in that email, I mentioned 
> scouts. :)
> 
> -P
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On 
> Behalf
> > Of RON WARD
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:31 AM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: RE: [lro] Ex-MOD Rovers - Was: Gas Mileage and 
> tracedges.
> >
> >
> >
> > How about IH Scout?  Pretty tough little rig and readily
> > available down here in the southern US...
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 08/30/01 11:05PM >>>
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> >         I should have specified that I wasn't talking about the
> > ex-mod types.  I
> > wanted the county spec or similar.  Something with the full 
> complement of
> > seats and no bulkhead behind the front seats.  The prices I have 
> seen for
> > those types of rovers are quite expensive.
> >
> >         Basically I have decided my next vehicle will be DIRT
> > simple, and cheaper
> > to maintain.  So I am looking at either an early bronco, a series
> > rover, or
> > a Unimog.  The Unimog is WAY out in front right now on
> > capability, utility,
> > and cost.  It's losing out to the other two in practicality, and
> > the ability
> > to be modified for highway power (though that is being looked 
> at).
> >
> >         Glad to hear from you guys that have owned old broncos 
> and
> > scouts or those
> > of you who might have a buddy with a Unimog.  I've been involved 
> with
> > Unimogs for 3 years now so I am pretty familiar with them, but 
> always love
> > to hear comparisons.
> >
> > -P
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On 
> Behalf
> > > Of Hope Peter
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:53 PM
> > > To: [email-masked]
> > > Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >I have YET to find a 109 in good
> > > > >condition for under $15k.
> > > >
> > > > Then you aren't looking in the right places. An ex-MOD 109 
> can
> > > be had, on
> > > > the dock and drive it home for 6K or thereabouts in very good
> > condition.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have had the chance to drive/ride in a ex-OZ-MoD 109 HT that 
> cost 1600
> > > American plus another 1000 to ship to Hawaii.  Don't know how
> > > much extra it
> > > would have cost to ship straight from Oz to the west
> > coast...but it's $845
> > > from Honolulu to Long Beach, Sa Fran, or Seattle.
> > > It's green, 12 volt, rhd, 2.25 liter.  Body is very straight,
> > runs strong,
> > > great price.
> > > You can fit 2 109s an an 88 into a 40' container.  UK to the
> > East Coast is
> > > under 2k.  Anyone on this list really think there isn't a 30%
> > > markup on all
> > > those 8k exMod rovers you see for sale on LRX?
> > > Pete
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Message: 13
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:55:27 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Leaf springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: leaf spring anti-friction liners
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:35:48 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Marin, try driving in dust and you'll abrade your oiled springs to nothing, 
quickly.  Use a non sticky lubricant like graphite to keep from turning the 
interspring lubricant into grinding compound.

Well, I don't do a lot of driving in dusty conditions, but I have gone to 
the Yukon and back a couple of times back before the Alaska 
Highway was paved, so the vehicle ran in dust and mud for many 
weeks at a time, and I didn't notice any problem.  It's not like the 
springs are dripping in oil all the time.  I paint them perhaps once a 
year.

Also, it's been my observation that the leaves in leaf springs don't 
really slide back and forth all that much.  It's easy to get this image 
of the individual leaves moving back and forth and grinding through the 
adjacent leaves in short order.  But if I have someone bounce up and 
down on the rear step of me SIII while I watch the springs, I see almost 
no sliding movement at all.  I know there is some, of course, there has 
to be.  But it's certainly nowhere near the movement one might think 
there is.  I've observed the same thing on my F-250 pickup, which has 
much more flexible springs relative to the vehicle's weight than my 
SIII.  The arch changes,  yes, but the sliding movement of the 
adjacent leaves isn't much at all.  So I don't think there's anything to 
get excited about in terms of interleaf friction.  There's just not that 
much movement there, at least not under normal conditions.  Continuously 
going from maximum arch to mashed up against the axle stops would 
result in more leaf slide, of course, and the friction or grinding could well 
become an issue.  But you don't get that kind of spring deflection in 99 
percent of the driving we do.

>I find it hard to believe that you are claiming stock springs don't sag.  
Its hard for me to think of a stock sprung rover, especially 109's, that 
weren't sagging to one side or the other including all of mine.

I have an 88, so I don't know how 109s treat their springs.  But the only
sag problem I've had was with the factory-installed rear springs, which 
sagged after ten years.  I'm not saying stock springs won't sag at all, 
ever.  But they have certainly held up on my vehicle just fine.  However, 
I'm very easy on the vehicle, particularly on rough roads.  I drive very slow, 
usually in the lowest gear I have, and let the vehicle sort of pick its 
own way along.  So I'm never hitting bumps or obstacles hard, which I 
assume is easier on the springs in a cumulative sort of way.  While I've 
carried some extremely heavy loads in the back (paving stones and the like), 
I drove the vehicle very conservatively when it was loaded that way in an effort 
to make things as easy on the springs as possible.  So maybe that helped over 
the years to get a long life from the springs.

I don't keep anything heavy in the vehicle when it's not being used, so the only 
thing the springs have to support is the empty weight.  I deliberately bought a 
Fairey capstan winch instead of a PTO, hydraulic, or electric winch, because the 
west coast Land Rover rep back in the early 70s told me that mounting anything 
that weighs much more than 60 or 70 pounds on the front bumper out ahead of the 
springs will cause the standard 88 front springs to sag very quickly.  The capstan 
winch, if I recall correctly, only weighs about 50 pounds or so.  Electric and PTO 
winches that were available then all weighed in excess of 100 pounds.  For our Yukon 
trips, I had a rectangular metal frame fabricated in Hawaii that mounted on the front 
bumper and was the width and height of the whole front end.  I wired hardware cloth to 
this to keep the stones from passing vehicles on the Alcan and Yukon roads from doing 
in my headlights, radiator, and so on.  This frame was hell built for stout, and probably 
weighs 50 pounds.  So I only install it for those trips that require it.  The rest of the time 
I leave it off.  So I'm sure that keeping the weight that's on the front bumper to a minimum 
has helped preserve the springs, too.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 14
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:34:41 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] High-priced 109s (was gas mileage)
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/30/01 8:09:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> >I have YET to find a 109 in good 
> condition for under $15k.
> 
> If you limit your search to the US, this 
> may well be true.  

This is my experience too.  I ended up buying a 79 J10 pickup-$1500 plus $20 
in lenses to pass state inspection and I have a nice farm truck which I can 
work on.

Nate

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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:39:48 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: leaf spring anti-friction liners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I read all this about springs with interest. I have several Land Rovers at the
moment. Two 109's, two 88's and a 86 amongst them.  All sit level and I have
done nothing to them.  Maybe the last owners did:-)

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> Marin, try driving in dust and you'll abrade your oiled springs to nothing,
> quickly.  Use a non sticky lubricant like graphite to keep from turning the
> interspring lubricant into grinding compound.
>
> I find it hard to believe that you are claiming stock springs don't sag.
> Its hard for me to think of a stock sprung rover, especially 109's, that
> weren't sagging to one side or the other including all of mine.  Seems like
> most of the 109's around here had one spring that had gone completely flat
> with the axle was resting on the frame.  The 88's just get lopsided.
>
> Aloha
> Peter Ogilvie
> Kona Coffee Rover
> 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
>      from exposure of the dark side.
> 1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
> 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
> 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
>      certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust
>
> >From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
> >Reply-To: [email-masked]
> >To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
> >CC: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
> >Subject: [lro] Re: leaf spring anti-friction liners
> >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:13:42 -0700
> >
> >
> >From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
> >To: [email-masked]
> >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:02:53 -0600
> >Subject: [lro] leaf spring anti-friction liners
> >Reply-To: [email-masked]
> >
> > >A while back there was some discussion about reducing
> >interleaf friction and anti-friction materials.  For
> >those interested - there is an article in the October
> >2001 issue of Four Wheel Drive And Sport Utility Magazine
> >regarding this topic.  Although the article glosses over
> >the use of teflon/nylon pads - it does describe more
> >in-depth several types of liners and provides a contact
> >for a company that sells them.
> >
> >You can go this route OR you can do what I've done for
> >the past almost-three decades and paint your springs
> >periodically with used engine oil.  Way cheap, kinda
> >messy, and works a charm.  Never had a spring squeak or
> >wear yet, although I do have bushings that need replacing (they're
> >almost twenty years old, so I can't complain that they're getting
> >a bit tired).
> >___________________________
> >C. Marin Faure
> >   (original owner)
> >   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
> >   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> >   Seattle
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:38:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> see:
> 
> http://www.roverworx.com/Jeep/buggy.jpeg
> http://www.roverworx.com/Jeep/ramp1.jpeg
> http://www.roverworx.com/Jeep/ramp2.jpeg

yeah. these are from the same website. you do the math...

http://www.roverworx.com/UROC/uroc8.jpg
http://www.roverworx.com/UROC/uroc9.jpg

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Arlington, VA
"GreenHELL" '72 SIII 88"- "Unstoppable"
"Red Square" '60 SII 109"- "Purrs like a (leaky) kitten" 

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Peter Ogilvie <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Talking about restoration books, is the Series Restoration Book worth
> 
> buying?? 

yup. I assume you mean the Lindsay porter book. Worth it even just for
entertainment factor. but there are some good photos and basic
procedures outlined, like rebuilding the gearbox, engine, etc, and
shoiwng how to do them all with nothing but a brass lump hammer, a set
of greasy spanners, and a beer gut.

I read it on the john. frequently. well worth the $.

later

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Arlington, VA
"GreenHELL" '72 SIII 88"- "Unstoppable"
"Red Square" '60 SII 109"- "Purrs like a (leaky) kitten" 

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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Hope Peter <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Will you be keeping the same wheelbase?

not for long, he won't...

http://www.roverworx.com/UROC/uroc9.jpg

kids today...

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Arlington, VA
"GreenHELL" '72 SIII 88"- "Unstoppable"
"Red Square" '60 SII 109"- "Purrs like a (leaky) kitten" 

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Message: 19
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:09:45 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

yes, keeping it an 88.  i will be moving the front shackle mount to the 
bottom of the framerail, then back half the added length of the rear spring.  
the front will move forward the same amount, and move down equivalently.

adam

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Message: 20
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:17:59 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

that isnt a buggy spring setup.  that is a 1/4 elliptical, which only 
attaches the spring to the frame at one mounting point.

adam

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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:03:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 [email-masked] wrote:

:
:that isnt a buggy spring setup.  that is a 1/4 elliptical, which only
:attaches the spring to the frame at one mounting point.

Dude, if you'd like us to have any clue what you're blathering about, please
quote what you're responding to.  Thanks.

-- 
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Message: 22
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:00:10 -0400
To: [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] DISREGARD - TEST (no LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

PING

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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:48:30 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] DISREGARD - TEST (no LR content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Timing sounds too advanced.

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 24
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Seats? -Volvo?
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:55:14 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thursday 30 August 2001 03:56, you wrote:
> That'll be the 340 then....
> phew!! Almost went hunting for the wrong ones!!

If I read this correct, what everyone is saying is that Volvo 240 (340?) 
seats will fit nicely into the existing S88 space? My seats are quite trashed 
and being in yuppie county that I am, I KNOW I can get a set of very nice 240 
seats without a problem. (never seen a 340 I dont think, plenty of 240s of 
alll years, some 122's, some 1800's....) But do I require welding to get them 
in or will they 'bolt up' with a little drilling and finagling? And Im 
willing to bet I lose access to my under seat box so I'd need to move my 
jumper cables etc...

-Nick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Elson <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Date: 29 August 2001 22:24
> Subject: Re: [lro] Seats?
>
> >oh I don't know, it's the early little one...
> >Best Cheers
> >
> >Frank
> >    +--+--+--+
> >     I !__|  [_]|_\___
> >     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
> >     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Phil Norris <[email-masked]>
>
> >To: <[email-masked]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:52 PM
> >Subject: Re: [lro] Seats?
> >
> >> Now you've thrown me....  I thought the ex-daf was the 3-40, the
> >> hatchack one w the rear axle gearbox....  The 240 is the big boxy jobby
> >> famed in estate mode w a labrador and tartan blanket.....
> >> Which is which??
> >> Phil
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Frank Elson <[email-masked]>
> >> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> >> Date: 29 August 2001 19:28
> >> Subject: Re: [lro] Seats?
> >>
> >> >racing seats wear very quickly on the 'outside' edge 'cos you have to
> >>
> >> scrape
> >>
> >> >over them getting in...
> >> > Volvo 240 (the former DAF) seats fit and look good
> >> >cloth standards have always been fine with me, depends on your height
>
> and
>
> >> >shape tho.
> >> > If you can find some Ninety/110 County seats they seem to be the best
>
> of
>
> >> >the 'real' ones.
> >> >Best Cheers
> >> >
> >> >Frank
> >> >    +--+--+--+
> >> >     I !__|  [_]|_\___
> >> >     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
> >> >     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
> >> >To: <[email-masked]>
> >> >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:55 AM
> >> >Subject: [lro] Seats?
> >> >
> >> >> I'm thinking about replacing then seats that currently reside in the
> >> >> SII. Best guess is that they are from an old WV, and they are not
> >
> >really
> >
> >> >> properly attached. The original "frames" are gone, naturally. I can
>
> see
>
> >> >> three alterantives
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Get "original high back" or something along that line.
> >> >> 2. Buy Volvo or Saab seats in the junkyard.
> >> >> 3. Racing seats.
> >> >>
> >> >> Naturally the junk yard alterantive is cheapest, but the --
>
> supposedly?
>
> >> >> -- higher level of protection that a racing seat will give is
>
> tempting.
>
> >> >> How uncomfortable/inconvenient are they for normal driving?
> >> >>
> >> >> Then we have the whole issue of how to attach whatever seats I get
> >> >> properly...
> >> >>
> >> >> /Par
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Par Leijonhufvud
>
> [email-masked]
>
> >> >> This e-mail is confidential and solely for the use of the intended
> >> >> recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are obligated
> >> >> to kill yourself and others who might have seen it immediately. Thank
>
> you.
>
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Message: 25
From: "Lee Jones" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] DISREGARD - TEST (no LR content)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:37:40 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Maybe too lean on the mixture?

Lee 

Timing sounds too advanced.

[email-masked] wrote:
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Message: 26
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Seats? -Volvo?
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:41:08 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nick
No need to lose your storage space under the seat. I read this same thread a while back, the work around is to make an access panel on the side of the seat box. I haven't done it myself, yet. High back seats are in the works.
Bill Fishel

----------
> From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
> alll years, some 122's, some 1800's....) But do I require welding to get them 
> in or will they 'bolt up' with a little drilling and finagling? And Im 
> willing to bet I lose access to my under seat box so I'd need to move my 
> jumper cables etc...
> 
> -Nick

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