Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #71 - 61 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Seats? (Phil Norris)
   2. Re: One more time (Phil Norris)
   3. Re: GPS and Land Rovers ([email-masked])
   4. Re: leaf springs (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   5. Re: Re: A question on Swivels (Steve Mace)
   6. Re: One more time (Paul Oxley)
   7. Re: One more time (Phil Norris)
   8. RE: GPS, Notebook  PCs  and Land Rovers (Tackley, John)
   9. RE: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Perrone Ford)
  10. Re: leaf springs (Bryan Hoult)
  11. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Bryan Hoult)
  12. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Perrone Ford)
  13. Re: RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers (CW - Carey Woodings)
  14. RE: leaf springs (Keith Elliott)
  15. Re: tracedges. (DaveB)
  16. RE: RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers (Tackley, John)
  17. Re: leaf springs (Faure, Marin)
  18. Re: Zenith 36IV (Faure, Marin)
  19. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Bryan Hoult)
  20. Re: Re: leaf springs (Keith Tanner)
  21. frame over and Seat replacement (Garrick Olsen)
  22. RE: RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers (CW - Carey Woodings)
  23. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Perrone Ford)
  24. RE: RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  25. leaf spring anti-friction liners (Tim Czajka)
  26. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Bryan Hoult)
  27. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Hope Peter)
  28. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Hope Peter)
  29. Re: [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG] (Hope Peter)
  30. Re: One more time (Paul Oxley)
  31. Re: RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers (Hope Peter)
  32. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Hope Peter)
  33. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Hope Peter)
  34. parabolics (Chris Schramm)
  35. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Bryan Hoult)
  36. Re: leaf spring anti-friction liners (Hope Peter)
  37. RE: RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers (Jerrod)
  38. Re: RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers (Hope Peter)
  39. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Perrone Ford)
  40. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Hope Peter)
  41. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Jerrod)
  42. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Perrone Ford)
  43. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (CW - Carey Woodings)
  44. Re: leaf springs ([email-masked])
  45. Re: parabolics ([email-masked])
  46. Re: parabolics (Keith Tanner)
  47. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (RON WARD)
  48. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Perrone Ford)
  49. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Paul Oxley)
  50. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. ([email-masked])
  51. Re: [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG] (Paul Oxley)
  52. Re: leaf springs (Jean-Leon Morin)
  53. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Bryan Hoult)
  54. Re: Re: leaf springs (Jean-Leon Morin)
  55. Re: leaf springs ([email-masked])
  56. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Mark Pilkington)
  57. Re: leaf springs (Hope Peter)
  58. Re: [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG] (Hope Peter)
  59. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Hope Peter)
  60. Re: leaf springs (Tim Czajka)
  61. Re: tracedges. (Scott Wickham)

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Message: 1
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Seats?
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:56:25 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That'll be the 340 then....
phew!! Almost went hunting for the wrong ones!!
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Elson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 29 August 2001 22:24
Subject: Re: [lro] Seats?

>
>oh I don't know, it's the early little one...
>Best Cheers
>
>Frank
>    +--+--+--+
>     I !__|  [_]|_\___
>     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Phil Norris <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [lro] Seats?
>
>
>>
>> Now you've thrown me....  I thought the ex-daf was the 3-40, the hatchack
>> one w the rear axle gearbox....  The 240 is the big boxy jobby famed in
>> estate mode w a labrador and tartan blanket.....
>> Which is which??
>> Phil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank Elson <[email-masked]>
>> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
>> Date: 29 August 2001 19:28
>> Subject: Re: [lro] Seats?
>>
>>
>> >
>> >racing seats wear very quickly on the 'outside' edge 'cos you have to
>> scrape
>> >over them getting in...
>> > Volvo 240 (the former DAF) seats fit and look good
>> >cloth standards have always been fine with me, depends on your height
and
>> >shape tho.
>> > If you can find some Ninety/110 County seats they seem to be the best
of
>> >the 'real' ones.
>> >Best Cheers
>> >
>> >Frank
>> >    +--+--+--+
>> >     I !__|  [_]|_\___
>> >     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>> >     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
>> >To: <[email-masked]>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:55 AM
>> >Subject: [lro] Seats?
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking about replacing then seats that currently reside in the
>> >> SII. Best guess is that they are from an old WV, and they are not
>really
>> >> properly attached. The original "frames" are gone, naturally. I can
see
>> >> three alterantives
>> >>
>> >> 1. Get "original high back" or something along that line.
>> >> 2. Buy Volvo or Saab seats in the junkyard.
>> >> 3. Racing seats.
>> >>
>> >> Naturally the junk yard alterantive is cheapest, but the --
supposedly?
>> >> -- higher level of protection that a racing seat will give is
tempting.
>> >> How uncomfortable/inconvenient are they for normal driving?
>> >>
>> >> Then we have the whole issue of how to attach whatever seats I get
>> >> properly...
>> >>
>> >> /Par
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Par Leijonhufvud
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>> >> recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are obligated to
>> >> kill yourself and others who might have seen it immediately. Thank
you.
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Message: 2
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] One more time
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:06:21 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Last nights was a male grouse being pursued by an overly affectionate lady
grouse.....   a chaser?
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 30 August 2001 07:04
Subject: Re: [lro] One more time

>
>Frank Elson wrote:
>
>> a Grouse standing on some rocks, bet you can't guess that one...
>
>A stoned grouse? Now why would they... Oh!
>
>:-{)}
>
>Regards
>
>Paul Oxley
>AfricanAdrenalin.com
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Message: 3
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 05:29:40 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I know most people that have GPS use it to find their location which is kind 
of funny on an early Rover considering that many times you never get out of 
site of of your own driveway before breaking down <g>.

         Anthony D. Miller & Co.
         ~ The Tintype Artist ~
      Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes
            34 Perryfalls Place
     Baltimore, Maryland 21236
                  410-256-7442
http://members.aol.com/likenesses

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Message: 4
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:28:30 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Are frame-overs able to be done by one person?

Yes - I'm doing one myself, and have done others.

> Or is it a better idea to send it to a company?

Not unless you want to waste an insane amount of money.

I've heard a lot about East Coast Rovers, who do that
>sort of thing. I live in Connecticut, and that's the closest place I can
>find.

No, never, stay away. I personally know of more an one gent who has gone
there and regretted it.

If you want to talk on the philosophy and operational practices on a
frame-over email me. i'm just finishing up refinishing the chassis I'm
going to do mine with - with luck the 109 comes apart (finally) this
weekend.

                    ajr

Thanx for your advice...
brian

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Message: 5
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:09:25 +0100
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: A question on Swivels
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Heck I've got exactly the same story. Left service and maintenance to a local 
garage for a number or years. When I decided to start doing the job myself I 
found that the swivels were full of oily water (that's not the same as watery 
oil, oily water is 90% water!).

In my case it was all rusted to hell so then had to change the whole lot on 
both sides... Costs c. #250 in parts for new swivels etc... The moral of this 
story is do the job yourself. If your vehicles too complicated or too 'black box' 
orientated then get rid: TD5, and Jap Owners take heed.

On 29 Aug 2001, at 11:45, Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> "How do I know", you ask??  I left the fluid changes and checking to my 
> local garage for the first 5 years/one set of radials of ownership.  My 
> first change of the swivel ball lube produced a little water and even less oil,
> way less than a cup full, total, from the right side.  Obviously the garage had
> never checked or changed the swivel oil so don't know how long it ran without
> lubrication.
Steve

1972 SIII LtWt Green
1993 D90 Red
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Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: [email-masked]
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Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 0845 458 4559
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:41:24 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] One more time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Phil Norris wrote:
 
> Last nights was a male grouse being pursued by an overly affectionate lady
> grouse.....   a chaser?

Hmm, or maybe she was just intent on 'having' a grouse ;-{)}
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 7
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] One more time
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:15:42 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

(drum roll)...ka-ching....!!!  Thankyou...!!!  ;-)))
(walked into that one, didn't I?)   :-)))
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 30 August 2001 11:44
Subject: Re: [lro] One more time

>
>Phil Norris wrote:
>
>> Last nights was a male grouse being pursued by an overly affectionate
lady
>> grouse.....   a chaser?
>
>Hmm, or maybe she was just intent on 'having' a grouse ;-{)}
>
>Regards
>
>Paul Oxley
>AfricanAdrenalin.com
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Message: 8
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:40:17 -0400
Subject: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook  PCs  and Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For inexpensive laptops, you could check out several sources for suitable
configurations, like:

www.processor.com
www.trudataproducts.com
www.svconnection.com
www.dollarcomputer.com
www.eritech.com

...and many, many more, even Dell sells their off lease boxes
direct(877.845.3355).  These shops all specialize in "off-lease" notebooks,
which they 'refurbish' and they can be very good values.
For instance, I am now looking at an add from True Data for a Toshiba Tecra
430CDT, w/ P120, 32mb, 3GBHD, 12.1" Active Matrix color, 10x CD...for
$299...would make a cheap GPS companion suitable in cost for the trails in
any truck.
About a year ago I picked up a Dell Latitude w/Pentium 133Mhz for less than
$300.  It's dedicated to Quicken/Online Banking and BillPay (which, BTW, is
the best single thing I ever did w/ a PC) for personal finances, leaving my
other notebook (w/DVD for movie watching)free to travel, and for other s/w
uses, without the worry of carrying my personal info w/ me.

JT/ric

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Message: 9
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:46:27 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes, they have.  After reading that article, I doubt, I'd buy any.  What are
they talking about?  Resistance to hydroplaning and snow traction are still
at their high levels?  Who the heck thinks the old MT was a good rain or
snow tire??  In my opinion they seem to have changed the compound, tossed a
few lugs just at the edge of the sidewall, added some sizes, added a little
rim protection, and expect to sell a billion based on their name and
heritage.

Maybe 10 years ago, but not now.  I firmly believe the Goodyear is a better
tire designed from the ground up as a mud and rock tire.  The Swamper line
from Interco is still going to be the choice of rock-crawlers and gumbo mud
runners in the places they are sold.  Oh well, lets see some reviews in the
next couple of months.

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of Paul Oxley
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:34 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
>
>
>
> Perrone Ford wrote:
> >   If you've not sampled the new Goodyear MT/R
> > or the Bridgestone MT, then you should.
>
> I read a few weeks ago that BFG/Michelin have launched a new MT with
> additional lugs on the sidewall. Saw a picture, but can't remember
> where.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com
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Message: 10
Date: 30 Aug 2001 07:11:44 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 29 August 2001, "girasoli" wrote:

> Are frame-overs able to be done by >one person? Or is it a better idea to
>send it to a company? I've heard a lot >about East Coast Rovers, who do that
>sort of thing. 

Well first off, if you're single, over 18 and in Connect-a-cut, move to New York (city that is, tall buildings, lots of people):-)

Actually, frame overs are best done with a friend or from time to time, as heavy things will need to be moved.  You'll need enough space to store the Land Rover disassembled, which is considerable.  The work is not difficult, as long as you're interested in this sort of thing.

IMHO, if you take a series truck to someone like ECR, you'll spend more than the vehicle is worth to have it back on the road.  There is nothing wrong with ECR or any of the refurbishers that I know of out there, it's just mathematics.  They have to make some money on their work, and most of them do nice work.  You're best bet is to buy one that's in very nice basic condition and then slowly upgrade it yourself as you have time and money.  I love series trucks, but I think you can spend too much on them if you're not careful.

Bryan
62 88
70 109  

________________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: 30 Aug 2001 07:25:31 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 29 August 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:

> Plan for this winter is power >steering, thinner tires, and rebuild >the lower

Ayieei!  Not another one of those!  I need series trucks up here that DRIVE.  Power steering in an 88!  Power steering is for Pathfinders.  (substitute your favorite "p" word here) 

Sorry, it's just that the last few trips I've planned, all the series trucks bailed to stay home and enhance and I ended up with a bunch of Discos or Rangies.  Maybe it's my cologne.....

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

________________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:36:48 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Did the Discos and Rangies hold you up on the trail?

-P

Bryan Hoult wrote:

>On Wed, 29 August 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:
>
>>Plan for this winter is power >steering, thinner tires, and rebuild >the lower
>>
>
>Ayieei!  Not another one of those!  I need series trucks up here that DRIVE.  Power steering in an 88!  Power steering is for Pathfinders.  (substitute your favorite "p" word here) 
>
>Sorry, it's just that the last few trips I've planned, all the series trucks bailed to stay home and enhance and I ended up with a bunch of Discos or Rangies.  Maybe it's my cologne.....
>
>Bryan
>62 88
>70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 13
From: "CW - Carey Woodings" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:41:55 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[ John Tackley says
[ ... Dell sells their off lease boxes direct(877.845.3355).

How do you access a web page using this address number?  What do you call 
this type of address?

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Message: 14
From: Keith Elliott <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] leaf springs
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:37:54 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi Brian

   The parabolics make the ride in a series LR much more smoother. They also
allow for some incredible 
axle articulation while off-roading. I can't comment on which springs last
longer as I have only had my 
parabolics on since Feb this year, my last set were stock springs and were
still good after being on
the truck for 5 years. Everyone that tries the parabolics immediatly fall in
love.

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: girasoli [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:11 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs

Hi Keith,

What are the difference between parabolics and leaf springs? Does one make
it ride smoother than the other? Which ones last longer?

Thanx for your advice!
brian

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:20:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] tracedges.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> BTW I think that the Dunlop R/Ts are unlike the TracEdge in that they
> 
> don't have the heavy lugs on the shoulders.  

oh yes they do. the picture on dunlops website doesn't do it justice.
it's nearly the same tire for all intensive porpoises. cooper makes a
similar one as well. slighlty more aggressive inner section though.  

=====
DaveB
Arlington, VA
"GreenHELL" '72 SIII 88"- "Unstoppable"
"Red Square" '60 SII 109"- "Purrs like a (leaky) kitten" 

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Message: 16
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:39:03 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It's called....a phone number, do you like (877)-845-3355 better?  ;-)

Carey asked:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[ John Tackley says
[ ... Dell sells their off lease boxes direct(877.845.3355).

How do you access a web page using this address number?  What do you call 
this type of address?

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Message: 17
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:47:50 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: leaf springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "girasoli" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:38:50 -0400
Subject: [lro] leaf springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I'm new to the list as of today. I have the opportunity to buy a '67 Series
IIa. However, it has a rusty frame as well as leaf springs. Are leaf springs
hard to come by? I've been talking to another Series IIa owner (Niall, you out
there?) who's given me some helpful advice. What company offers these springs?
Are they expensive?

Leaf springs are available for the Series, either the stock factory type or aftermarket 
springs.  I have always run stock springs on my SIII-88, although I did switch to SIII-109 
springs on the rear in the early 1980s.  There are also parabolic springs on the 
market.  I don't really know the advantages or disadvantages of the parabolics- I've 
always been happy with the ride and "performance" of the factory springs, and so 
have never seen a reason to switch.  Springs aren't the cheapest things in the world, 
and the shipping can be expensive because of their weight.

One thing to check regarding rust is the bulkhead, or firewall.  These are notorious 
on the Land Rover for rusting out.  They are no longer made, so finding a replacement 
can be a real chore, plus installing it requires a pretty thorough disassembly of the 
vehicle.  New frames and springs are easily obtained, but the bulkhead can be tough to 
get.  If the rust is not too bad, they can be repaired, but usually once they go, they go 
in a big way.

If you're going to buy a Series, I strongly suggest the first thing you get is a copy of 
the factory service manual.  There are aftermarket manuals by Haynes and other 
companies, but quite frankly I don't think they're worth the paper they're printed on.  
Get the factory manual (reprints are available, although not particularly cheap).

I assume you realize that you will be buying a vehicle that takes more or less constant 
maintenance.  Series Land Rovers can be extremely reliable, but it takes a fair amount of 
work to keep them that way.  They are not drive-and-forget vehicles like todays 4wds.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 18
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:53:39 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Zenith 36IV
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Zenith 36IV (was gas mileage)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:26:43 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Incidentally, if your running smaller diameter tires than the speedo is 
calibrated for, you will get inflated mpg readings and the reverse if tires 
are larger.

I'm running the same size tires that were on the vehicle when I took 
delivery from the factory in 1973.  So I assume the speedometer 
(until it broke and I removed it) was reading correctly.  Anyway, 
the mileage figures I use today are based on how many gallons 
I use to drive a known distance.  In one case, this involves a 
drive from my home to the marina where we keep our trawler, 
which is exactly 100 miles.  I use just under five gallons to make 
that drive (one way).
___________________________
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  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 19
Date: 30 Aug 2001 09:15:26 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 30 August 2001, Perrone Ford wrote:

>Did the Discos and Rangies hold you >up on the trail?
 
Oh, to the contrary.  Those things are awesome if you've got the dough.  The Disco's I go on the trail with have more money in their bumpers (SG/ARB,etc) than I have in my engine, but they go off road like butter.  The Rangies also go well.  My point was more that I'd like the series truck in my area to make a better showing on the trips we plan.  Believe me, I'm happy to have all that attend - Disco's, Rangies, Red Wing wagons, whatever.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:07:10 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: leaf springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I would not assume that your vehicle has factory springs when you buy it. I 
had something heavy-duty on mine of unknown parentage. The parabolics 
(Rocky Mountain in my case) transformed the ride and gave the car a huge 
increase in offroad ability due to the simple fact that the wheels were 
staying attached to dirt.

Around Ottawa, there are usually used factory springs fairly easily 
available thanks to the growing number of parabolicians.

Keith Tanner

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Message: 21
From: "Garrick Olsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:25:08 -0500
Subject: [lro] frame over and Seat replacement
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Both concepts appeal to me...

I have thought the new elephant hide seats from exmoor or British Pacific 
sound perfect- right seats and nearly the right skin-  not black so less 
fanny fire in the summer.  Maybe a removeable headrest above for whiplash 
and a 3 point harness fitted to hard top.  Maybe in t wo years.   I have 
seen some pickups- Ford 150, I believe that solve both problems by mounting 
the shoulder belt retractor in the edge of the high backed seat.  Still, 
though not a concourse freak, it's too non Rover for me.

The frame over has been accomplished many a time by a single enthusaiast and 
the aide of this digest.  It's expensive, rewarding, painful and confidence 
building.  Galv or nothing.  I plan on doing mine in 4 years.  To check for 
rust, bang around the box frame with a hammer and a screw driver.  If there 
are wafer thin sections in major areas, it's time.  Otherwise, you can delay 
and make small patches and replace pieces. Also, since you seem like a 
sensible sort, the Rover is not your sole transport, right?  If you have a 
garage, and angle grinder, hand tools and some room on the Master Card, you 
can do it.

A great first step to the future of rovering is to get the current copy of 
the RoversNorth catalog.  I think you can order it off the website.  It will 
make your mind spin with dreams of future projects.

-Rik
in Minnesota, USA
1960 SWB SW SerII-  Almost got the hand brake back together- lost one of 
those damn BSF nuts- had to mail order.

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Message: 22
From: "CW - Carey Woodings" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:26:50 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

THUD ... THUD ... THUD

[ John Tackley wryly responds:
[
[ It's called....a phone number,
[ do you like (877)-845-3355 better?  ;-)

That thud is my head pounding on my desk!

In my defense, I have seen web addresses shown as a string of numbers with 
dots intermingled.  They represent some sort of internal address for the 
internet connection or some such.  I don't know what they are called or how 
to use them.  That would require greater internet savvy than I possess.  I 
thought maybe you were one of those knowledgable folks.  Smart internet 
user?  No, just a smart ...

   :)     ;/     :)     ;/     :)     ;/     :)
         thud          thud          thud

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:36:42 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You may want to examine your pricing again.  I can buy two RRC for the 
price of a 109 on a solid frame.  And I just checked AGAIN this week.

-P

Bryan Hoult wrote:

>On Thu, 30 August 2001, Perrone Ford wrote:
>
>>Did the Discos and Rangies hold you >up on the trail?
>>
> 
>Oh, to the contrary.  Those things are awesome if you've got the dough.  The Disco's I go on the trail with have more money in their bumpers (SG/ARB,etc) than I have in my engine, but they go off road like butter.  The Rangies also go well.  My point was more that I'd like the series truck in my area to make a better showing on the trips we plan.  Believe me, I'm happy to have all that attend - Disco's, Rangies, Red Wing wagons, whatever.
>
>Bryan
>62 88
>70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 24
Subject: RE: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:44:48 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Carey, it is called an IP address.

It is made up of 4 separate sections, each of which contains a number
between 0 and 255.

Such as 9.95.123.456 - Lotus internal net.....8*)

DOn't sweat it - you're in serious technodweeb turf playing with this
stuff....

                    aj"Though it WAS funny....8*)"r

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Message: 25
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:02:53 -0600
Subject: [lro] leaf spring anti-friction liners
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A while back there was some discussion about reducing
interleaf friction and anti-friction materials.  For
those interested - there is an article in the October
2001 issue of Four Wheel Drive And Sport Utility Magazine
regarding this topic.  Although the article glosses over
the use of teflon/nylon pads - it does describe more
in-depth several types of liners and provides a contact
for a company that sells them.  One of the styles of
liners has an adhesive side so that it can be fixed to
the leaf - this might be a good way to use liners without
the downside of having them work out from between the
leaves.

The liner supply company is Plastic Sales Southern Inc.
in Los Angeles, CA.  Phone 323-728-8309.  Web site
is www.plastic-sales.com.

Just passing on this info - I have no affiliation
with the company.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 26
Date: 30 Aug 2001 10:04:33 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 30 August 2001, Perrone Ford wrote:
 
>You may want to examine your pricing >again.  I can buy two RRC for the 
>price of a 109 on a solid frame.

Different areas, different economics.   RR's are incredibly, stupidly, expensive in the Seattle area  (about 40% over the national average).  Travelling to eastern Wa. helps, going to CA, CO, or AZ helps a lot.  In fact, I will buy a roundtrip ticket to Phoenix and burn the return if I find a Rangie I like, when the time comes.  

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 27
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:05:20 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> screen.  Panasonic Toughbooks are available with a 10" screen and are
> hardened against shock and water.  You can let it rain on them all day
with
> no ill effects (I believe the smallest is the model CF-27).
>

Sweeeeet.  Sounds like just what I am looking for.  I was thinking about
just using an old PII laptop for the work and not worry too much about the
damage, but if I make the switch from Super8 to true digital video I will
want a large hard drive and have the on board cams firewired in.  If things
go the way I hope, I have been thinking about a satelite ISP with the dish
on the roof rack...then run realtime streaming video from the vehicle as I
attend events.

> you think SA7 is good, wait till you see 8 or 9

I picked up 7 just a year ago...can't believe 9 is out (soon).

Pete
ps. and yes I am a tech geek

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Message: 28
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:13:23 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> of them all. Full Windoze 98, 133Mhz, 64Mb RAM, 6Gig HDD, active colour
> screen, etc. You should find a good second-hand one for ~USD500-600.

Do you know the diagonal measurment on the screen?

We have some 8" monitors at work.  They are used for the security cameras,
but can be used as a computer monitor also.  They are only an inch thick.
So remoting a monitor and a trackball up to the dash is another idea I have.

Am also worried about processor speed, memory and HD space if I go full DV.
But if I am only using the PC as a nav aid, then the Tosh sounds like the
ticket.

How are people actually "mounting" laptops in their vehicles?  I am really
concerned about the "suspension".  I have taken some pretty sharp hits in
rocky/rutty/rooty terrain that would probably knock the platters out of a
hard drive.

Pete

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Message: 29
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:18:54 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Paul Mentioned the new BFG Mudder the other day here is some info:
> http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/01july/bfg.asp

Think that was Pete....but tis ok.

BFG is doing the same with the MT as they did with the AT a few years back.
Most noticable difference is in the shoulder and side wall.
I have the new model AT's on the GMC and they are pretty nice.  With the
tread extending down the shoulder they look more agressive as well as being
functional.  \
They thickened the side wall abover the rim, this puts a rubber lip in that
extends beyond the lip of the rim.  Suposed to help protect the wheel.
Don't do any offroading in SWMBO's GMC, but it's been working great with the
curbs.
Pete

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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:01:50 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] One more time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Phil Norris wrote:
 
> (walked into that one, didn't I?)   :-)))

Not really. You're not expected to have a depraved and twisted sense of
the ridiculous :-{)}
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 31
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:26:17 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Dell sells their off lease boxes direct(877.845.3355).
> 
And we have a corp account with Dell.  Maybe I can get even a better deal.
Just  want to find a small screen PII-III 600 with 256m Ram and 10g  HD

Pete

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Message: 32
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:34:15 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> My point was more that I'd like the series truck in my area to make a
better showing on the trips we plan

Soon, very very soon.  The 88 ships on the 17th, will be in seattle within
10 days.  I will be their about 15 days later...Just intime for the PNWC.
Pete

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Message: 33
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:37:26 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> You may want to examine your pricing again.  I can buy two RRC for the
> price of a 109 on a solid frame.

Range Rover Classics?

If so I tend to agree...there are some early 90s on the islands for under
5k.

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Message: 34
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Schramm <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] parabolics
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Do a poll of everyone who has put parabolics on their
truck and more than 1/2 will tell you they sag in 6 months.
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Message: 35
Date: 30 Aug 2001 10:47:50 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 30 August 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:

...Just intime for the PNWC.

The Challenge has loads of series trucks.  In fact, I've never seen anything other than D90's and series trucks enter.  It would be interesting to see a Rangie or Disco participate, and I imagine more will as time goes by.

What are you planning to do for work when you get up here, by the by?

Bryan

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Message: 36
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf spring anti-friction liners
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:45:10 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> for a company that sells them.  One of the styles of
> liners has an adhesive side so that it can be fixed to

I used the ones from McMasster-Carr.
Worked great.  Only dirt gets inbetween the leaves and is shredding up the
plastic.
If you are only doing rock crawling this is a great upgrade.  But spend
anytime in mud and you are wasting time and money.
I am saying f-it and going to make the switch to parabolics.
Pete

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Message: 37
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:21:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerrod <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

ha!

Peace.
--- "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> It's called....a phone number, do you like
> (877)-845-3355 better?  ;-)
> 
> 
> Carey
>
asked:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> 
> [ John Tackley says
> [ ... Dell sells their off lease boxes
> direct(877.845.3355).
> 
> How do you access a web page using this address
> number?  What do you call 
> this type of address?
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Message: 38
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: GPS, Notebook PCs and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:25:26 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Carey, it is called an IP address.
>
> It is made up of 4 separate sections, each of which contains a number
> between 0 and 255.
>

Just to really confuse you 0-255 is an octet.  An IP address is 4 octets.
Octet is 8 bits or one byte.  So the address range is 00000000 - 11111111 or
in hex 00-FF.

Phone numbers in Hex format would have a range of (000) 000-0000 through
(03E7) 03E7-270F
sooooo (877) 845-3355 would be (036D) 01C8-0615

Yes I am very bored.  There is a briefing going on, and the machine I work
on displays the network live trends, so just playing on the net.
Pete

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Message: 39
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:47:05 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://www.ram-mount.com

Hope Peter wrote:

>>How are people actually "mounting" laptops in their vehicles?  I am really
>>concerned about the "suspension".  I have taken some pretty sharp hits in
>>rocky/rutty/rooty terrain that would probably knock the platters out of a
>>hard drive.
>>
>>Pete

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Message: 40
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:01:32 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have looked at the ram stuff when I got the GPS.  I like it.  But am
thinking that it's too rigid for a laptop mounted to a series vehicle.
Really am worried about shocks to the HD.
pete

> http://www.ram-mount.com

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Message: 41
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerrod <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

it's all solid state i believe.  You could just about
drop the thing.  CD would be the only thing to worry
about and I don't even think that.

Peace,
Jerrod.
--- Hope Peter <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I have looked at the ram stuff when I got the GPS. 
> I like it.  But am
> thinking that it's too rigid for a laptop mounted to
> a series vehicle.
> Really am worried about shocks to the HD.
> pete
> 
> >
> > http://www.ram-mount.com
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Message: 42
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:18:30 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

They sell a model for laptops specifically designed to absorb impacts. 
 Several police forces use them including Breckenrdige, CO which use 
them in their Discos.

-P

Hope Peter wrote:

>I have looked at the ram stuff when I got the GPS.  I like it.  But am
>thinking that it's too rigid for a laptop mounted to a series vehicle.
>Really am worried about shocks to the HD.
>pete

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Message: 43
From: "CW - Carey Woodings" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:26:34 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[ Peter Hope
[
[ I have looked at the ram stuff when I got the GPS.
[ I like it.  But am thinking that it's too rigid for
[ a laptop mounted to a series vehicle.  Really am
[ worried about shocks to the HD.
[
Does everyone remember their wine transport designs from last week?  Minor 
modification and repost the idea for Pete and his laptop.  Let's leave out 
the centrifuge ideas however!
      ____________
     /____________\     Cheers,   CW
     !     !!     !
     !_____!!_____!
   O !===[[[]]]===! O
    \__ -------- __/
    !..!( )##( )!..!    Carey Woodings           AND NOW
    !  !########!  !    "Nessie the Antique      a 1988
    !  !#O####O#!  !    Monster" Bronze Green    Range Rover
    ================    1962 SIIA SWB SW         Deb's Daily
     !!      ~   !!                                    Driver
     !!  ~~ ~ ~~ !!     1968 SIIA LWB Marshall Bodied
           ~~           Ambulance awaiting restoration

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Message: 44
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:28:35 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/30/01 10:47:07 AM, [email-masked] writes:

>incredible 
>axle articulation while off-roading

i wouldnt say INCREDIBLE, but id say slightly better than poor : )  
incredible is what im doing with the leafs on my truck.  more info to come 
later.

adam

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Message: 45
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:46:08 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolics
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How much Sag? To the point of rubbing?
thanks
Scott Just
Rochester Hills, MI.

> 
> 
> Do a poll of everyone who has put parabolics on their

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Message: 46
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:51:31 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] parabolics
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The worst I've seen of the Ottawa trucks had sagged down to "normal" ride 
height - ie, the level of stock springs. My truck doesn't seem to have 
settled at all even though it drove 2000 miles fully loaded.

Keith

At 14:46 8/30/01, you wrote:

>How much Sag? To the point of rubbing?
>thanks
>Scott Just
>Rochester Hills, MI.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Do a poll of everyone who has put parabolics on their
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Message: 47
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:13:22 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Come on Perrone, let up on the guy!  Bryan's making a good point and being amicable about his (and my) desire to see more Series rigs out playing with the Disco's and RR's.  He wasn't making a derogatory statement, or can't you tell the difference?

Ron Ward

>>> [email-masked] 08/30/01 12:36PM >>>

You may want to examine your pricing again.  I can buy two RRC for the 
price of a 109 on a solid frame.  And I just checked AGAIN this week.

-P

Bryan Hoult wrote:

>On Thu, 30 August 2001, Perrone Ford wrote:
>
>>Did the Discos and Rangies hold you >up on the trail?
>>
> 
>Oh, to the contrary.  Those things are awesome if you've got the dough.  The Disco's I go on the trail with have more money in their bumpers (SG/ARB,etc) than I have in my engine, but they go off road like butter.  The Rangies also go well.  My point was more that I'd like the series truck in my area to make a better showing on the trips we plan.  Believe me, I'm happy to have all that attend - Disco's, Rangies, Red Wing wagons, whatever.
>
>Bryan
>62 88
>70 109 "Genie"
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Message: 48
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:23:16 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

    I wasn't trying to be a hard case.  I was just pointing out that a 
LOT of people (in this case fellow LR owners) tend to have a misinformed 
opinion that coilers are really expensive.  Series guys like to mention 
that we don't want to scratch our precious rigs, or get anything on the 
carpet, etc., because we have these expensive trucks.

    I was only trying to dispel that myth.  I KNOW I could get more for 
a 109 in the same condition as my 91 RR.  Its actually kind of sad. 
 I've seen at least 10 RR Classics in the past 6 weeks selling below 
$7k.  I finally found a place to pick up a series truck for under $7k, 
but they all need extensive work.  I have YET to find a 109 in good 
condition for under $15k.

    I think that Unimog is in my future yet.

-P

RON WARD wrote:

>Come on Perrone, let up on the guy!  Bryan's making a good point and being amicable about his (and my) desire to see more Series rigs out playing with the Disco's and RR's.  He wasn't making a derogatory statement, or can't you tell the difference?
>
>Ron Ward

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Message: 49
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:11:00 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hope Peter wrote:
 
> Do you know the diagonal measurment on the screen?

http://www.amherst.co.uk/libspecs.htm

Different models have different specs, but I was looking at one with a
7" display. Librettos are cult 'puters, do a search on the name and wade
through the info.
 
> Am also worried about processor speed, memory and HD space if I go full DV.

Right, you may outrun a sub-note here.

> How are people actually "mounting" laptops in their vehicles?  I am really
> concerned about the "suspension".  I have taken some pretty sharp hits in
> rocky/rutty/rooty terrain that would probably knock the platters out of a
> hard drive.

And they're plenty tough. I have a few friends that have bounced them
out of their mountings and against the cab roof before, with no ill
effects.
 
-- 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 50
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:45:36 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/30/01 5:24:16 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>I have YET to find a 109 in good 
>condition for under $15k.

look at the military trucks, a la www.skytoprover.com, i have seen a few of 
these rigs around and they are in great shape.

adam

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Message: 51
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:14:49 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hope Peter wrote:
 
> > Paul Mentioned the new BFG Mudder the other day here is some info:
> > http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/01july/bfg.asp
> 
> Think that was Pete....but tis ok.

Um, no, that was me... on the za-lro, and one of the guys on the za-lro
found the story and I posted his mail onto the lro... are you confused
yet?

Can't remember where I first heard about the mudders, perhaps it was on
the lro (?)

Regards

Paul (wheels within wheels within wheels) Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 52
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:16:53 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> i wouldnt say INCREDIBLE, but id say slightly better than poor : )

Uhhh... Poor compared to what? The 88" that you are dreaming about building?
A 40,000$ D90?

I would say incredible, for a bolt on mod. They increase articulation up
front by oodles, and make the rear flex like mad. With twice the horsepower
and torque, and a crawl ratio close to 100-1, I still can't follow Keith
Tanner's lines up rocks and bumps... I just don't have the flex. If you have
seen a properly prepared 88" with parabolics driven by a competent driver,
it can be a force to reckon with. Have you been in contact enough with rocky
mountain parabolics to pass judgement?

I can personally vouch for the fact that every time I off-road with Kieth
Elliot in his yellow 88", I am green with envy at the smooth ride and great
flex. Now if he can just learn to stay outta the water... Right aquaboy?

> incredible is what im doing with the leafs on my truck.  more info to come
> later.

Have you started this vehicle yet, or are you still at the debating stage?
Seems like you have been talking about this super duper 88" rock crawling
monster truck for years, have you actually started working on it? Hey,
dreaming is fun, but the idea won't get you across a rock... You have to
build it before you can brag.

J-L (who started building "it" three years ago, and is far from finished)

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Message: 53
Date: 30 Aug 2001 14:54:18 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 30 August 2001, Perrone Ford wrote:

>I wasn't trying to be a hard case.  

Good thing, because I would be the last person to pick that up.  I have been doing the discussion group thing for so long that folks pretty much have to include "you idiot" in the post before I think maybe they're not happy with me.

Anyway, back to the topic.  It's only natural for folks to want to hit the trail with like minded individuals.  One of my chief dissappointments is my neighbor's (and best friend) unwillingness to risk his body work on a trail ride.  Notice I say risk, not out and out trash.  I generally don't sustain damage on an outing, but it does happen.  Neighbor dude won't even go.  He has a very nice 69 IIa 88.  I'm not asking him really to even go on the trail, but he could at least go along to camp.  He's my navigator for this years NW Challenge, so maybe he'll get into it a little bit after he sees some truly hairy terrain and realizes he can make some of the tamer trails with out doing any harm.

Point taken on the cost of coilers.  Outside of the insane Microsoft/Town and Country centric corner of the world I live in, RR's are fairly reasonable.  Heck, even some my closest friends drive RR's - the nasty trail shredding type.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Message: 54
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: leaf springs
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:20:31 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Usually free too... ask me how I know.

(J-L, who has a pile of springs in his garage)

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Stop nuclear warfare - ban electrons worldwide.

Jean-Lion Morin
Ottawa, Ont.
1966 109 3 door
"extensively bastardized"
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: leaf springs

>
> I would not assume that your vehicle has factory springs when you buy it.
I
> had something heavy-duty on mine of unknown parentage. The parabolics
> (Rocky Mountain in my case) transformed the ride and gave the car a huge
> increase in offroad ability due to the simple fact that the wheels were
> staying attached to dirt.
>
> Around Ottawa, there are usually used factory springs fairly easily
> available thanks to the growing number of parabolicians.
>
> Keith Tanner
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 55
From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:00:27 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

the vehicle is well on its way as a whole, but the suspension is just coming 
through the final design stages.  all i can say is that i am fairly sure that 
this rig will be among the top 3 series trucks out there in terms of 
suspension flex.  i am going to be running rear springs on the front with one 
leaf removed, as on the back.  the front is going to have revolver shackles, 
while the rear is going to have a custom buggy spring design that is lockable 
for off camber and road use.  the rear suspension is going to have among the 
best flex ever seen on a land rover, its the front that has to be figured out 
more.  look for updates in a few days with links to design drawings.

adam

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Message: 56
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:03:39 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have one on LRX too.  It is a 72 Series III with new paint, Salisbury D-60
rear axle (thanks) 109 Safari, with the 6 under the hood.  It is great driver.
I will have photos in the next few days. Does anyone want to see pictures of my
Dormobile just for the hell of it? E-mail me off-line for them if you are
interested in seeing them. The roof is up!!
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

[email-masked] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/30/01 5:24:16 PM, [email-masked] writes:
>
> >I have YET to find a 109 in good
> >condition for under $15k.
>
> look at the military trucks, a la www.skytoprover.com, i have seen a few of
> these rigs around and they are in great shape.
>
> adam
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 57
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:23:53 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> suspension flex.  i am going to be running rear springs on the front with
one
> leaf removed, as on the back.

Just removing one spring will not do much for the travel.  I had to go to 7
springs per pack, and do the sand/paint/teflon treatment to get the 11" of
travel I have in the rear.

Have you seen Timm Cooper's SerI 107 pickup?  No there is some leaf travel.
Michael Slade used to have photos of it, but has moved web servers and not
back up last time I checked.  Don't know if anyone else has photos out
there.

Pete

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Message: 58
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:26:28 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> > Think that was Pete....but tis ok.
>
> Um, no, that was me... on the za-lro,

Ahhh, but it was me on the lro list when the subject of TE's first came up.
But of course I can't read and didn't catch that you crossposted from the
other list, nor that it was posted by you.  Sorry. :-)

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Message: 59
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:28:22 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> http://www.amherst.co.uk/libspecs.htm
> 
> Different models have different specs, but I was looking at one with a
> 7" display. Librettos are cult 'puters, do a search on the name and wade
> through the info.
Paul,
thanks for the info.
Will add this to my research list.
Pete

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Message: 60
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:38:42 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Adam wrote:
>i am going to be running rear springs on the front with one leaf removed, 
>as on the back.
>
Have you measured how this will impact front approach
angle?  I assume you are extending forward the front
frame rails/spring hangers to accommodate the longer
springs?  In combination with taking out a leaf,
resulting in a flatter spring, you may find the
front spring hangers plowing into trail obstacles.

Something that may be of interest:  I was just reading
about a new product - spherical leaf spring bushings
that allow the leaf springs to more easily move side
to side.  Sort of like the twisting action of the
revolver shackles.  I don't know if additional side
bracing is needed such as a track bar.

I think of all the axle drop methods the buggy spring
idea you are considering is still one of the best.
It is simple and inexpensive and it can be locked out
for highway use.  Plus it continues to put some vehicle
weight on the axle as it drops - unlike some of the
trick axle fall away setups.  What good is a tire on
the ground if there is no weight on it - although it
looks nice going up the RTI ramp:)

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 61
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] tracedges.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:43:46 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Now I want to put some 235/85/16s on the D90 and I got the same
story.

  Your putting smaller tires on the D90 than it came with?  I thought the
D90's had 265/75/16's or are these 32" tall too?

Scooter

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