Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #70 - 13 msgs

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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 03:05:47 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: leaf springs (girasoli)
   2. Re: leaf springs (Paul Quin)
   3. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Hope Peter)
   4. RE: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (G. Mugele)
   5. Re: tracedges. (G. Mugele)
   6. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Hope Peter)
   7. RE: GPS and Land Rovers (Perrone Ford)
   8. Re: One more time (Paul Oxley)
   9. Re: leaf springs (Paul Oxley)
  10. RE: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Perrone Ford)
  11. Re: GPS and Land Rovers (Paul Oxley)
  12. Re: Gas Mileage and tracedges. (Paul Oxley)
  13. [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG] (Paul Oxley)

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Message: 1
From: "girasoli" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:10:37 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi Keith,

What are the difference between parabolics and leaf springs? Does one make
it ride smoother than the other? Which ones last longer?

Thanx for your advice!
brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Elliott" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: [lro] leaf springs

>
> Hi Brian...
>
>     Do your back a favor and buy parabolics for the LR. Makes all the
> difference in the world. There are a few
> suppliers for them like Rocky Mountain and Atlantic British.
>
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: girasoli [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:39 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] leaf springs
>
>
>
> Afternoon, all...
>
> I'm new to the list as of today. I have the opportunity to buy a '67
Series
> IIa. However, it has a rusty frame as well as leaf springs. Are leaf
springs
> hard to come by? I've been talking to another Series IIa owner (Niall, you
> out
> there?) who's given me some helpful advice. What company offers these
> springs?
> Are they expensive?
>
> My knowledge of rovers is practically nil, I'm new to the whole thing. Any
> advice you have is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
> brian
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Message: 2
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:36:20 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How rusty is rusty?

If it's just one section, most frame sections can be bought separately such
as the rear crossmember, rear half chassis, front dumb irons, all of the
outriggers etc.

Go to your local good bookstore and see if they carry any of the Land Rover
dedicated magazines from Britain (there are at least three), you'll even
find some one or two of the columnists lurking online here (Hi Frank!)

There are also a couple of good Land Rover restoration books to be had.  Get
the shop manual (Green Bible) too.

The original Land Rover springs were known as semi-elliptical (I think...?).
They are rather primitive and a bit rough on the spine.  This adds to the
vehicles *charm*, right :-)
Parabolics are much lighter and offer a much more soothing ride.  They are
supposed to offer more axle articulation when the going gets rough off-road.

Have a look at http://www.ovlr.org/

They have lots of good tech advise and links.

Paul in Victoria

----- Original Message -----
From: "girasoli" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs

>
> Hi Keith,
>
> What are the difference between parabolics and leaf springs? Does one make
> it ride smoother than the other? Which ones last longer?
>
> Thanx for your advice!
> brian

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Message: 3
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:35:16 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am using Garmin's EMap.  Have been explorering a lot of the island
recently using the GPS, 1/7500 and 1/25000 military maps, Delorme Topo 3 and
Street Atlas 7.
Have been working with maps and compass for years.  The GPS takes a lot of
the terrain analysis out of explorer new places.  Saturday and the previous
weekend, we were doing a bunch of unmapped trails.  Was great, when ever we
hit an intersection or a key feature I would grab the 10 digit grid and plot
it on the map.  Because it was "new" terrain I didn't want to risk the
laptops.  Anyway, I now have upto date maps with all the trails marked.  I
will be leaving these with the other guys.  I also have downloaded all of
the tracks to the laptop so I have a copy for myself.

I also love being able to plan the trip on the computer sitting on the sofa.
Create the paths add in a few waypoints.  Load it into the GPS.  Go on your
way.  It's great.

I am hoping to be able to find a pc that is in between a full laptop and a
handheld in size.
The screen on the EMap is the same size as my PalmPilot, so connecting the
two together is just a waste of time.  The full size laptop is great, but I
can not figure out a workable place for it in the series.  Kinda out-there,
but have considered mounting the laptop in an enclosed case with external
cooling to the inside of the cage roof.  This will be high enough and out of
the way to protect it.  Would then run a 8" diagonal flatscreen remote
monitor out to the dash along with a small trackball.

Pete

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:49:37 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 7:06 PM -0400 8/29/01, Perrone Ford wrote:
>This rumor comes up a few times a year.  Right around the time people start
>to buy new tires for summer travel, or new tires for winter use.  They
>always are around...

Wannah bet a beer on that?  See if you can find 'em in the lower 48...

       _
     / o\_         Gerald Mugele
    /   )-- \       [email-masked]
   /    |            Glen Ellen, CA
*** "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:50:03 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 3:27 PM -0700 8/29/01, Jeff Bieler wrote:
>Is the rumor that BFG is discontinuing the TracEdge back up again? 
>I think someone alluded to that in a previous post.  A few months 
>back, when I was getting tires for the Discovery, I called BFG to 
>ask and they said their were no plans to drop the line.  I wound up 
>going with Dunlop Radial Rovers R/T's, which are essentially 
>equivalent, but I don't think the TracEdge tire is going away.

When I got my last set about six years ago I was told that they were 
NLA and besides there were many better choices  yada yada yada.  But 
I insisted and they eventually "found" 7.50x16s some in a warehouse 
in New Orleans.  So I got 'em and loved em.

Now I want to put some 235/85/16s on the D90 and I got the same 
story.  But this time they seemed more adamant.  I persevered but to 
no avail.  So I've spent much of the past 10-12 days trying to find 
some.  I called everybody including BFG and Michelin (BFGs mom now) 
and the PR guy told me that despite the fact they're still shown on 
the website they are no longer in production but they have some new 
improved thing available... but no one has THAT either and it ain't 
shown on the website.

So putting out the call on the Mendo-recce list pointed me to Canada 
where they are still available... I don't no how that can be but 
there ya have it.

Wise Owl has bunches of 'em and I'll be doing a bit of importing I 
guess... AND the prices are far better than the quotes I was getting 
with the proviso "If I can find any."

BTW I think that the Dunlop R/Ts are unlike the TracEdge in that they 
don't have the heavy lugs on the shoulders.  That's what makes the 
TEs so great.  They have a reasonably tight center tread and then 
when things get gooey ya air down a bit and let those lugs grab. 
They're amazing in snow.

       _
     / o\_         Gerald Mugele
    /   )-- \       [email-masked]
   /    |            Glen Ellen, CA
*** "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain

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Message: 6
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:49:41 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> > This of course depends on
> > what the terrain is like in Wash.
>packs the tread so bad that chains are pretty much a must.

That is the plan.
Not sure how much wheeling I will get in this winter, but there is always
next year.
Plan for this winter is power steering, thinner tires, and rebuild the lower
end.  Maybe some lockers and discs also...hahahaha

Pete

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Message: 7
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:50:33 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter,

	Your wish has been granted, if you've got the dough!  There are several
smallish laptop type things you can use.  Sony makes a two series of Vaio
with an 8" screen.  NEC make the "Mobile Pro" with either an 8" or 9"
screen.  Panasonic Toughbooks are available with a 10" screen and are
hardened against shock and water.  You can let it rain on them all day with
no ill effects (I believe the smallest is the model CF-27).

	I agree with you about the planning trips at home.  I've been doing
computer GPS nav for about 7 years now, and this stuff amazes me.  And if
you think SA7 is good, wait till you see 8 or 9!  In my area alone, the
quality of some obscure places doubled from 7-8.  I am still amazed that
some of the footpaths in the forest near me even appear on the software.
Places I was scared to drive alone are on the maps in full detail.  In some
cases, there were trails there that weren't on the 7.5 minute TOPO from the
USGS.  Truly amazing.

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of Hope Peter
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:35 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
>
>
>
> I am using Garmin's EMap.  Have been explorering a lot of the island
> recently using the GPS, 1/7500 and 1/25000 military maps, Delorme
> Topo 3 and
> Street Atlas 7.
> Have been working with maps and compass for years.  The GPS takes a lot of
> the terrain analysis out of explorer new places.  Saturday and
> the previous
> weekend, we were doing a bunch of unmapped trails.  Was great,
> when ever we
> hit an intersection or a key feature I would grab the 10 digit
> grid and plot
> it on the map.  Because it was "new" terrain I didn't want to risk the
> laptops.  Anyway, I now have upto date maps with all the trails marked.  I
> will be leaving these with the other guys.  I also have downloaded all of
> the tracks to the laptop so I have a copy for myself.
>
> I also love being able to plan the trip on the computer sitting
> on the sofa.
> Create the paths add in a few waypoints.  Load it into the GPS.
> Go on your
> way.  It's great.
>
> I am hoping to be able to find a pc that is in between a full laptop and a
> handheld in size.
> The screen on the EMap is the same size as my PalmPilot, so connecting the
> two together is just a waste of time.  The full size laptop is
> great, but I
> can not figure out a workable place for it in the series.  Kinda
> out-there,
> but have considered mounting the laptop in an enclosed case with external
> cooling to the inside of the cage roof.  This will be high enough
> and out of
> the way to protect it.  Would then run a 8" diagonal flatscreen remote
> monitor out to the dash along with a small trackball.
>
> Pete

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:59:01 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] One more time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Frank Elson wrote:

> a Grouse standing on some rocks, bet you can't guess that one...

A stoned grouse? Now why would they... Oh!

:-{)}
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:02:26 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] leaf springs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

girasoli wrote:
>  Which ones last longer?

Ah! You have the makings of a true Series owner, welcome :-{)}
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 10
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:04:53 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'd not bet anything as sacred as a beer.  But if you've been looking and
not finding... then that truly is sad.  In al honesty, there are tires out
now that are probably better.  If you've not sampled the new Goodyear MT/R
or the Bridgestone MT, then you should.  Both clean mud better than the
trackedge, both are quieter, and both are good in the wet.  I can't vouch
personally for snow, but the people I've talked to have been duly impressed
with each in the snow.

Just a thought.  If I had i to do over again, I'd probably opt for one of
those instead because I do run a lot of mud.  My Trac Edges have taken me a
lot of places, but I would be more comfy with a set of real mud terrains
right now!

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of G. Mugele
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:50 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: RE: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
>
>
>
> At 7:06 PM -0400 8/29/01, Perrone Ford wrote:
> >This rumor comes up a few times a year.  Right around the time
> people start
> >to buy new tires for summer travel, or new tires for winter use.  They
> >always are around...
>
> Wannah bet a beer on that?  See if you can find 'em in the lower 48...

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:28:21 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS and Land Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Perrone Ford wrote:
 
>         Your wish has been granted, if you've got the dough!  There are several
> smallish laptop type things you can use.  Sony makes a two series of Vaio
> with an 8" screen.  NEC make the "Mobile Pro" with either an 8" or 9"
> screen.  Panasonic Toughbooks are available with a 10" screen and are
> hardened against shock and water.  

Or try lay your paws on the Toshiba Libretto, the tiniest and toughest
of them all. Full Windoze 98, 133Mhz, 64Mb RAM, 6Gig HDD, active colour
screen, etc. You should find a good second-hand one for ~USD500-600.
Toshiba is the master of notebook and sub-notebook manufacture, new
they're waaaay expensive though. 

I currently have a Toshiba Portege (bigger than the Libretto, but way
thinner. 210X260X20mm) which I use for moving maps, etc.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:34:28 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage and tracedges.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Perrone Ford wrote:
>   If you've not sampled the new Goodyear MT/R
> or the Bridgestone MT, then you should.   

I read a few weeks ago that BFG/Michelin have launched a new MT with
additional lugs on the sidewall. Saw a picture, but can't remember
where.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:35:47 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] [Fwd: [za-lro] NEW BFG]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Strange stuff, one of the guys on the za-lro just mailed in this link to
the new BFG MT's

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [za-lro] NEW BFG
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:17:22 +0200
From: Sats Oosthuizen <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>

Paul Mentioned the new BFG Mudder the other day here is some info:
http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/01july/bfg.asp

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