Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #68 - 44 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: A question on Swivels (no grease content) (Ian Stuart)
   2. Re: DIY "lockers" (John Cranfield)
   3. Re: A question on Swivels (no grease content) (John Cranfield)
   4. Re: Steadycam (was male mind...) (CW - Carey Woodings)
   5. fabricator in Los Angeles area (Jeff Bieler)
   6. Re: DIY "lockers" (William J. Rice)
   7. Re: DIY "lockers" (Paul Quin)
   8. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Rich & Lori Williams)
   9. Re: Steadycam (Faure, Marin)
  10. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Jeff Bieler)
  11. Re: Electrical problems (Mark Pilkington)
  12. Re: A question on Swivels (Faure, Marin)
  13. Re: Re: A question on Swivels (Martin Rothman)
  14. Re: Gas Mileage? (Mark Pilkington)
  15. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Bryan Hoult)
  16. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Hope Peter)
  17. Too much time (George Simmons)
  18. Re: DIY "lockers" (RON WARD)
  19. Re: Too much time (Rick Grant)
  20. Re: Too much time (Ivan Van Laningham)
  21. Re: Steadycam (was male mind...) (Steve Mace)
  22. Re: Too much time (David Scheidt)
  23. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Jeff Bieler)
  24. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Jeff Bieler)
  25. One more time (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  26. MAR question (Scott Wickham)
  27. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Hope Peter)
  28. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Jeff Bieler)
  29. Re: Gas Mileage? (Peter Ogilvie)
  30. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Hope Peter)
  31. Re: Gas Mileage? (Hope Peter)
  32. Re: DIY "lockers" (Jim Hall)
  33. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Jeff Bieler)
  34. Re: Gas Mileage? (Jeff Bieler)
  35. Re: fabricator in Los Angeles area (Hope Peter)
  36. Re: Gas Mileage? (Gerald)
  37. Re: Gas Mileage? (Jeff Bieler)
  38. Re: MAR question (Bill Fishel)
  39. Re: Gas Mileage? (Par Leijonhufvud)
  40. Re: Gas Mileage? (Rick Grant)
  41. Re: Gas Mileage? (Peter Ogilvie)
  42. Sacrifices to the lord of darkness... (Par Leijonhufvud)
  43. Looking for seat bottom 'brackets' . . ([email-masked])
  44. Seats? (Par Leijonhufvud)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:26:11 +0100
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] A question on Swivels (no grease content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rick Grant wrote:

> .....  Does this 
> really mean that if I am say, driving to Vancouver from Calgary that I 
> should stop half way, find a dirt trail, lock the hubs, and drop into 
> four wheel and drive for 20 miles?

Nope... what they're talking about is locking the hubs so that the 
wheels turn the hubs, which turn the half-shafts (throwing oil around 
the inside of the swivels), which turn the diffs (which pull oil up into 
the innards of the diffs)

There is no need to alter the gearbox - it's already doing it's own 
oilly thing...

-- 

--==++
Ian Stuart
A man in serious need of a Brain Transplant

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:00:09 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] DIY "lockers"
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jim,
 it sounds like you would engage your locker at the start of a trail and
leave it engaged 'til the trails end.
This is not a recommended practice for  the reason that the problems you
describe will occur.
The better method to employ is to engage the locker immediately before
it is likely to be of benefit and release it right after it's need has
passed. This of course applies to operator engaged locker like the ARB
Airlocker. Detroit lockers and others of that type have enough "slip"
that torque loading isn't a problem.
John and Muddy

Jim Hall wrote:
> 
> I have many broken axles that tested this theory. The theory has merit,
> but an important little bit is missing. As you drive, a torque bias gets
> built up between the two rear wheels, kind of like what happens between
> the front and rear when in 4wd on pavement. This is due to the off-road
> terrain not being flat or from turning corners. So you end up with this
> extra torque, in the forward direction on one axle, and reverse
> direction on the other. As you drive the torque needed to move the
> vehicle forward gets added to the torque already on the axles. This ends
> up snapping axles in a big hurry. I ended up breaking an axle almost
> every trail, even somewhat more mellow trails, even ones with some snow
> on them. A limited slip would probably be different, but I STRONGLY
> reccomend stronger axles with a locker from personal experience.
> 
> [email-masked] wrote:
> >
> > somewhat true, peter.  but instead of transfering all the power to a wheel
> > with no grip, it transfers 50% of it to the wheel that does, stressing the
> > axle with the traction and weight on it.  my theory is that you are less
> > likely tobreak an axle or diff with a locker because you wont have to "bump"
> > over an obstacle as often, reducing the times that a wheel is unloaded, have
> > most power transfered to that wheel that is spinning, then coming down again
> > and regaining traction, causing an extreme shock load to that part of the
> > drivetrain.  instead, with a locker, you can be easy on the gas with much
> > more finesse, putting not nearly as much power through the drivetrain and
> > with no shock loading.
> >
> > adam
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> --
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:13:53 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] A question on Swivels (no grease content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The 4x4 bit refers to the position of the hub not the transfercase and
you wouldn't be expected to stop and engage them in 2/3 of the way
through a 750 mile journey.
Remember these instructions were written for the average LandRover owner
who would use it for short journeys for most of it's life. To the
average Land Rover owner in Britain in the 60s a thousand miles was a
distance almost beyond imagining.
JoHn and Muddy

Rick Grant wrote:
> 
> I really hope this doesn't precipitate the "take them off" controversey all
> over again but. . .
> 
> on the subject of free wheeling hubs. . .
> 
> The perceived wisdom is that if you do have them fitted and run with them
> disengaged you should periodically lock them and drive a few miles to make
> sure the swivels are properly lubricated.  Lindsay Porter in his book,
> "Purchase and Restoration Guide" says this. . .
> 
> "The makers recommend strongly that the vehicle is run approximately 20
> miles out of every 500 miles in a 4X4 position so that the swivel housing
> oil is enabled to circulate and do its job."
> 
> I doubt very much if my Series II was ever subjected to that regime before
> I got it and certainly not very often since then.  Does this really mean
> that if I am say, driving to Vancouver from Calgary that I should stop half
> way, find a dirt trail, lock the hubs, and drop into four wheel and drive
> for 20 miles?
> 
> If as I suspect, two wheel locked hub drive is what is meant by that
> statement then I still have to ask whether it is really all that necessary
> at that frequency?  What is there to suffer from lack of lubrication?  The
> interior of the housings is not likely to rust since a fine coating of oil
> will always remain, right?  The seals will retain their suppleness for a
> lot longer than 500 miles of unlockedness, right?
> 
> For what it is worth, and I really am not trying to start a fight about
> FWH's, I run in town with the hubs locked, unlocked on the highway,
> otherwise I ignore them.
> 
> An aside.  While I have many oil drips and seepages in my beast, (some of
> Exxon Valdez proprotion), my swivel seals are drip and seepage free.  The
> chrome is as smooth as when it came out of the coating tank.
> 
>                                              Rick Grant
> 
>                                   1959 Series II   "88"
>                                   VORIZO
> 
> Rick Grant Communications
> Media and Crisis Management
> Calgary Ottawa
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Message: 4
From: "CW - Carey Woodings" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Steadycam (was male mind...)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:33:26 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[ Rick Grant saays:
[ ... some time ago I ran into a Canadian National Film
[ Board Producer/Director who claimed that he had built
[ something like a Steadicam for a production in the
[ late sixties.  He loudly bemoaned the fact that he
[ never patented the idea nor followed through on it.

DOH!!!

I don't know how many times I've found some new product on the market and 
remember thinking of that idea years before.  I just don't have the 
inventor's mindset.  I get the ideas but don't consider that it may be 
useful to others or patentable.  I forget about it for a while until I'm 
reminded of the idea when I see it on the shelf.
      ____________
     /____________\     Cheers,   CW
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     !_____!!_____!
   O !===[[[]]]===! O
    \__ -------- __/
    !..!( )##( )!..!    Carey Woodings           AND NOW
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    !  !#O####O#!  !    Monster" Bronze Green    Range Rover
    ================    1962 SIIA SWB SW         Deb's Daily
     !!      ~   !!                                    Driver
     !!  ~~ ~ ~~ !!     1968 SIIA LWB Marshall Bodied
           ~~           Ambulance awaiting restoration (still!!!)

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:36:16 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Being new to LA, I'm not familiar with the local resources yet.

I am looking for a shop that could lengthen my front shackles about
3/4",  Military shackles will be overkill and open another can of drive
line angle concerns I don't want to get into.

If anyone is aware of any shops, I would appreciate it.

Jeff Bieler

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Message: 6
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:13:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] DIY "lockers"
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:00:09 -0300 [email-masked] (John
Cranfield) writes:
> 
> Jim,
>  it sounds like you would engage your locker at the start of a trail 
> and
> leave it engaged 'til the trails end.

Actually what Jim had was a spool.  He blew his diff at last summer's CO
rally and just welded the thing.  Went thro' halfshafts in a hurry.  Even
some heavy duty ones ended up dying (both of 'em at once) the day we did
the Kelly Flats Trail.  After that he ran w/ only one intact rear
halfshaft, locked diff, standard strength halfshaft, and it worked quite
well.  He now is back to regular open diff setup.

bill

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Message: 7
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] DIY "lockers"
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:01:29 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Didn't you guys every try a brake stand as a kid ? ;-)

As a previous poster pointed out, the poor man's locking dif requires the
right foot on the gas (not too much) and the left foot modulating the brake
pedal.  This is a trick that my dad showed me years ago in a two wheel drive
car that was stuck in the snow.  One wheel was spinning uselessly and dad
says "touch the brake and send some of that torque to the other wheel"  and
sure enough off we went.

I tried this in my Land Rover on an emarassingly gentle but very muddy
hilside that had me stopped in my tracks with one front and one rear tyre
spinning.  I modulated the brake pedal while keeping the revs at around 2K
and the truck imediatly slipped sideyways as all four wheels lost traction
:-)  After a few feet of back and forth, I did manage to climb up the 4 or 5
feet needed to reach good traction again.

Paul in Victoria.

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Message: 8
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:07:15 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff,

How local are you to El Monte?  I have a client down there who is working on
some LR fabrications for me and changing the length of your shackles
shouldn't be a problem for him.

Rich Williams
'60 Series II 109SW

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From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:36 AM
Subject: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area

>
> Being new to LA, I'm not familiar with the local resources yet.
>
> I am looking for a shop that could lengthen my front shackles about
> 3/4",  Military shackles will be overkill and open another can of drive
> line angle concerns I don't want to get into.
>
> If anyone is aware of any shops, I would appreciate it.
>
> Jeff Bieler
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Message: 9
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:51:29 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Steadycam
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Steadycam (was male mind...)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I was curious about this because some time ago I ran into a Canadian 
National Film Board Producer/Director who claimed that he had built 
something like a Steadycam for a production in the late sixties.  He loudly 
bemoaned the fact that he never patented the idea nor followed through on
it.

Actually, there have been a lot of attempts, some successful, some not, to  
build handheld camera stabilizing devices for decades.  Brown's Steadycam 
was the first one to hit the magic ingredient of being workable, affordable,
and 
marketable.  He hooked up with Cinema Products (CP) to market the thing 
originally, although I don't know if that agreement is still in force.
Several years 
later, Panavision came out with their own version, one that was close enough
in 
principle to the Steadycam to initiate a lawsuit or two.  I haven't worked
with the 
Panavision device, although some camera operators I know claim it's superior

to the Steadycam.

The Steadycam is not easy to use, and it doesn't fit smaller people very
well.  It 
is also extremely hard on the lower back.  The best way to use it is to
develop a sort of 
"duck walk" with the knees bent and the feet splayed out a bit.  It's an
unbeatable device 
for several kinds of shots, but I have found that we use a Chapman track
dolly far more 
than a Steadycam in our work.

___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:12:50 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That's pretty close (about 45 minutes).  I'm not too familar with El Monte, but
I do work at the tank museum on Rosemead sometimes.

Jeff

Rich & Lori Williams wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> How local are you to El Monte?  I have a client down there who is working on
> some LR fabrications for me and changing the length of your shackles
> shouldn't be a problem for him.
>
> Rich Williams
> '60 Series II 109SW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:36 AM
> Subject: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
>
> >
> > Being new to LA, I'm not familiar with the local resources yet.
> >
> > I am looking for a shop that could lengthen my front shackles about
> > 3/4",  Military shackles will be overkill and open another can of drive
> > line angle concerns I don't want to get into.
> >
> > If anyone is aware of any shops, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Jeff Bieler
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:17:59 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Electrical problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Along a similar theme to Marin, I had a "maintenance problem" yesterday that
turned out to be cheap and simple.  In the Range Rover towing a boat I lost
power and the whole rig was shuddering when pulling away. It is automatic, so I
shifted into 1 and left it there. It shuddered in second and was OK in 3 and 4.
There was not a lot of power though, so I thought the tranny was slipping.  The
"Check engine" light came on and thoughts of huge expensive repairs and a lot of
downtime were going through my mind as I pulled into a gas (Petrol) station. New
tranny versus used and where to get one and who to do the work, or even if I
could do it.  It all was a pain in the neck or arse or where ever. Upon opening
the bonnet, I heard a hiss of air escaping.  There was a tiny hole in the
radiator hose which was squirting a thin jet of water DIRECTLY at the
distributor cap and leads. Everything was wet and shorting. The engine had been
missing.  It was not the tranny. The gearbox had been trying to compensate for
the lack of power. I taped the hole and put two hose clamps (Jubilee clips)
around it right next to each other, WD 40'ed the cap and drove off into the wide
blue yonder with a smile on my face and bulge in my wallet!
Interesting?
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

> I just got back from a filming trip to Honolulu, and I notice
> there are a number of posts about electrical problems with brake
> lights.  While the following probably has nothing to do with the particular
> problem being discussed, it might be something to check if
> you find your vehicle blowing fuses for no obvious reason.
>
> A couple of years ago, I noticed one day that my brake lights were inop.
> Upon
> checking, I found the fuse under the steering column had blown.  I replaced
> the fuse, and the brake lights were fine for a while, and then they stopped
> working
> again.  The immediate cause was the same fuse which had blown again.  This
> went on for
> several weeks with my being unable to see any sort of pattern that would
> pinpoint
> the true cause.  Finally, one evening I got in the vehicle at work to drive
> home.  I
> started the engine, turned on the headlights, and shifted into reverse.
> There was
> an odd flicker of the headlights in the windows in front of me the moment I
> hit reverse.
> On a hunch, I checked the brake lights, and sure enough, they didn't work
> and
> the fuse had blown (again).
>
> I replaced the fuse, and shifted into reverse again. Same headlight flicker,
> no
> brake lights, and the fuse had blown.  So now I at least knew the problem
> lay
> somewhere in the reverse light system.  For awhile, I worked around the
> problem
> by taking the fuse out before shifting into reverse.  This kept the brake
> lights functioning, but it was a pain in the butt.
>
> After a few weeks of this I took the time to trace the root of the problem.
> I was
> convinced it was a shorted reverse light switch on the transmission, so I
> ordered
> a new one.  But when I removed the floor panels and checked the original
> switch,
> it was fine. The actual problem turned out to be one of the wires that went
> to the
> reverse light switch.  It had lain up against the back of the bell housing
> for two and a half
> decades, and vibration and heat had finally gotten to the insulation.  A
> section of it had
> cracked and worn off, and the bare wire was right up against the
> bellhousing.  So
> whenever I shifted into reverse, if the bare wire was actually touching the
> housing, it made
> a dead short and the fuse would blow.  The cure was a length of electrical
> tape and a
> wire tie to keep the reverse switch wire off the bellhousing.
>
> So don't overlook the incredibly simplistic causes when troubleshooting an
> electrical problem.
> It may well be a failed component or broken switch.  But it also might be
> nothing more than a wire
> worn through and rubbing against something it shouldn't.  Unfortunately,
> it's often these simple
> little things that are the hardest to find, and the last thing you'd expect.
> ___________________________
> C. Marin Faure
>   (original owner)
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>   Seattle
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Message: 12
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:17:10 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: A question on Swivels
Reply-To: [email-masked]

To: [email-masked]
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] A question on Swivels (no grease content)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The perceived wisdom is that if you do have them fitted and run with them 
disengaged you should periodically lock them and drive a few miles to make 
sure the swivels are properly lubricated.

Here's the deal.  The upper swivel bushings depend on splash lubrication from 
the lube oil in the swivel balls (this is why grease doesn't work very well- it doesn't 
splash, and it doesn't seep into the bushing like lube oil does).  The only way to 
splash the oil around in the swivel balls is to spin the U-joint that's in there.  The 
only way to spin the U-joint is to engage the locking hubs.  If you don't have 
locking hubs at all, the front drive train is spinning whenever the vehicle is in 
motion, and the oil splashes around as required all the time.

If you have locking hubs, and want to take advantage of the mileage increase and 
marginal acceleration improvement you get when they are unlocked, you need 
to periodically lock them in order to ensure that the upper swivel bushings 
get doused with lube oil.  Warn recommends driving a minimum of one 
mile per month with the hubs locked in.   This may be sufficient for a Jeep or 
other vehicle with open U-joints on the front axle, but I think it's far too little 
for the Land Rover's swivel ball setup.

You don't need to run an off-road course to lubricate the swivel bushings.  
If you're driving from Calgary to Vancouver (I'm going to do that next 
month, the other direction, but I'm going to do it in a 737), I imagine that's 
about a two or three day drive.  If you lock your hubs in for a bit of driving before 
you start on the trip, I think you should be fine leaving the hubs unlocked 
the whole journey.  As I assume you will be driving on freeways, or at least 
highways, you aren't going to be doing a lot of sharp turning from side to side.  
So the "work" the upper swivel bushings will be doing is not too strenuous.

I have driven from Oakland, California to Watson Lake, Yukon on the Alaska 
Highway back before they paved it.  I left the hubs unlocked the whole way.  
That portion of the trip takes about six days.  Once I got to the Watson Lake, 
I left the hubs locked in for the next few weeks of our trip, as we were on back 
roads and never really knew when we might need four wheel drive.

When I was driving my SIII every day for the first ten years I owned it, I would 
lock the hubs in for one day a week.  The rest of the time, I left them unlocked, 
unless I was going up into the mountains on Oahu where I needed 4wd.  I've since
modified that practice a bit, in that I now leave the hubs locked in for daily driving 
around town, as that's when the swivel bushings are getting the greatest workout.  
When I'm 
going to be doing mostly freeway or highway driving, I unlock the hubs, as that's 
when I get the most mileage benefit, and the swivel bushings aren't doing all that 
much in the way of turning back and forth.  While the swivel bushings in my SIII are 
the originals, they've certainly worn at least some since 1973, so I figure making sure 
they have plenty of oil these days will make them last that much longer.

As the swivel balls, seals, and bushings have not yet required any repair or replacement 
since my vehicle left the factory, I assume my hub operating "practice" has a 
fair degree of merit.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 13
From: "Martin Rothman" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: A question on Swivels
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:26:53 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Here's the deal.  The upper swivel bushings depend on splash
>lubrication from the lube oil in the swivel balls (this is why grease 
>doesn't work very well- it doesn't splash, and it doesn't seep into the 
>bushing like lube oil does).  The only way to
>splash the oil around in the swivel balls is to spin the U-joint
>that's in there.

So what if you have Railco Bushes and free wheeling hubs installed?  Do the 
Railco bushes need the same lubrication?

Regards,

Martin Rothman
'52 S1 80" w/Railco Bushes....

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:31:32 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That seems firkin economical to me!

Rick Grant wrote:

> Well thanks for the answers, it sounds like I am well in the ballpark on
> mileage.
>
> By the way, I had such fun converting metric to imperial that I decided to
> press on converting and it turns out that I get roughly 120 furlongs to the
> firkin.
>
>                                              Rick Grant
>
>                                   1959 Series II   "88"
>                                   VORIZO
>
> Rick Grant Communications
> Media and Crisis Management
> Calgary Ottawa
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Message: 15
Date: 28 Aug 2001 09:45:08 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ooooo....what's at the tank museum?  Sounds intriguing.

Bryan

On Tue, 28 August 2001, Jeff Bieler wrote:

> 
> 
> That's pretty close (about 45 minutes).  I'm not too familar with El Monte, but
> I do work at the tank museum on Rosemead sometimes.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
> 
> > Jeff,
> >
> > How local are you to El Monte?  I have a client down there who is working on
> > some LR fabrications for me and changing the length of your shackles
> > shouldn't be a problem for him.
> >
> > Rich Williams
> > '60 Series II 109SW
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
> > To: <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:36 AM
> > Subject: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
> >
> > >
> > > Being new to LA, I'm not familiar with the local resources yet.
> > >
> > > I am looking for a shop that could lengthen my front shackles about
> > > 3/4",  Military shackles will be overkill and open another can of drive
> > > line angle concerns I don't want to get into.
> > >
> > > If anyone is aware of any shops, I would appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Jeff Bieler
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > LRO mailing list
> > > [email-masked]
> > > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
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Message: 16
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:17:14 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I am looking for a shop that could lengthen my front shackles about
> 3/4",  Military shackles will be overkill and open another can of drive
> line angle concerns I don't want to get into.

Wondering why you only want 3/4" longer?  That relates to only 3/8" of lift.

You can make up some shackles right quick with a piece of 2"x1/4 plate, a
hacksaw, a drill bit of the correct size and a tap.  Then find someone with
a arc/wirefeeder to weld on the spacer.  Maybe contact the local highschool,
if someone on the list isn't close enough to you.
Pete

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:30:46 -0700
From: George Simmons <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Too much time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here is a classic example of someone with too much time on his hands!

"By the way, I had such fun converting metric to imperial that I decided
to press on converting and it turns out that I get roughly 120 furlongs
to the firkin."

George in Auburn CA

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:47:55 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] DIY "lockers"
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well didn't anyone besides me see the "Junkyard Wars" episode where the team from the US built a car crusher of sorts using the same method?  Pretty neat how it worked in that case.

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 08/28/01 11:01AM >>>

Didn't you guys every try a brake stand as a kid ? ;-)

As a previous poster pointed out, the poor man's locking dif requires the
right foot on the gas (not too much) and the left foot modulating the brake
pedal.  This is a trick that my dad showed me years ago in a two wheel drive
car that was stuck in the snow.  One wheel was spinning uselessly and dad
says "touch the brake and send some of that torque to the other wheel"  and
sure enough off we went.

I tried this in my Land Rover on an emarassingly gentle but very muddy
hilside that had me stopped in my tracks with one front and one rear tyre
spinning.  I modulated the brake pedal while keeping the revs at around 2K
and the truck imediatly slipped sideyways as all four wheels lost traction
:-)  After a few feet of back and forth, I did manage to climb up the 4 or 5
feet needed to reach good traction again.

Paul in Victoria.
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:53:46 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Too much time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 10:30 28/08/01 -0700, George Simmons, wrote

>Here is a classic example of someone with too much time on his hands!

Oh you have that right.  For the last two weeks I've been doing nothing but 
waiting for various contract approvals and travel visas to come 
through.   I'm in a constant readiness standby for a UN deal in 
Albania/Macedonia followed by a few months of straightening out 
communications for an Indonesian government department.

				Rick Grant

Rick Grant Communications
International Media and Crisis Management
Calgary - Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:13:23 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Organization: Symantec
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Too much time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi All--

George Simmons wrote:
> 
> Here is a classic example of someone with too much time on his hands!
> 
> "By the way, I had such fun converting metric to imperial that I decided
> to press on converting and it turns out that I get roughly 120 furlongs
> to the firkin."
> 

??? This whole LIST is an example of many, many people with too much
time on their hands!

<spare-the-rod-and-spoil-the-furlong>-ly y'rs,
Ivan;-)
----------------------------------------------
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Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org 
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
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Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Message: 21
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:12:35 +0100
Subject: Re: [lro] Steadycam (was male mind...)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Along similar lines...

When the IBM PC clone was just starting to appear back in the 80's a 
colleague returned from the far east with two of these clone PC's in his 
luggage (with 2 x 5.25" floppies!); at the time you just couldn't buy clone 
PC's in the UK. He then proposed that we should start importing them and 
flogging them in the UK. My reply was something along the lines "no one will 
want to buy these....they'll never take off". To think we could have been in 
there at pole position with importing PC clones to the UK. Even now I still 
sometimes wake up at nights in a cold sweat over that one.

Or when we were asked by Philips to convert our BBC based package over 
to Windows (Ver 1 !) and we said no because it was too slow and 
unusable... so they went else where to another two men and a dog size 
company who would write for Windows. When I checked 5 years later the 
company they went with had just floated on the stock exchange for 50 
million quid :-(

Or the time when I had shares in Acorn computers for years and years when 
they were worth virtually nothing (about 15p). Then one day I read in a trade 
mag how Acorn Risc Machines (ARM - which Acorn Computers owned then) 
had just landed a huge contract for their RISC processor. I then checked the 
stock value to find it was hardly changed at all so decided to cash them in. A 
week later news about the big deal reached the city and the share price went 
up 20 fold.

And then there's the time...

Stop... Stop!! I can't take any more!

On 28 Aug 2001, at 7:33, CW - Carey Woodings wrote:

> DOH!!!
> 
> I don't know how many times I've found some new product on the market and 
> remember thinking of that idea years before.  I just don't have the 
> inventor's mindset.  I get the ideas but don't consider that it may be 
> useful to others or patentable.  I forget about it for a while until I'm 
> reminded of the idea when I see it on the shelf.

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt Green
1993 D90 Red
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Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:23:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Too much time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, George Simmons wrote:

:
:Here is a classic example of someone with too much time on his hands!
:
:"By the way, I had such fun converting metric to imperial that I decided
:to press on converting and it turns out that I get roughly 120 furlongs
:to the firkin."
:

Not enough time, I think.  He claimed 15.3 miles/Imperial gallon.

dscheidt@shell-2 ~/maildir/mail 599$ units
493 units, 54 prefixes
You have: 15.3 mile/brgallon
You want: furlong/firkin
        * 917.27201

:

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:03:16 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Reply-To: [email-masked]

We have a Bren Carrier there that I work on and get to drive around periodically.
After driving the carrier around for a day, the Series feels rather posh.

They have some neat toys tucked in there.

Jeff

Bryan Hoult wrote:

> Ooooo....what's at the tank museum?  Sounds intriguing.
>
> Bryan
>
> On Tue, 28 August 2001, Jeff Bieler wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > That's pretty close (about 45 minutes).  I'm not too familar with El Monte, but
> > I do work at the tank museum on Rosemead sometimes.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > How local are you to El Monte?  I have a client down there who is working on
> > > some LR fabrications for me and changing the length of your shackles
> > > shouldn't be a problem for him.
> > >
> > > Rich Williams
> > > '60 Series II 109SW
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
> > > To: <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Being new to LA, I'm not familiar with the local resources yet.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for a shop that could lengthen my front shackles about
> > > > 3/4",  Military shackles will be overkill and open another can of drive
> > > > line angle concerns I don't want to get into.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone is aware of any shops, I would appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Bieler
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > LRO mailing list
> > > > [email-masked]
> > > > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > LRO mailing list
> > > [email-masked]
> > > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
>
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:08:39 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'd just assume take the extra shackles I have, go to a shop that does decent
work, and have then extend them for me.

As for the length, I don't need any extra height.  I just need to get the
springs away from the frame.  I don't want to change my drive line angles any
more then I have to.

Jeff

Hope Peter wrote:

> > I am looking for a shop that could lengthen my front shackles about
> > 3/4",  Military shackles will be overkill and open another can of drive
> > line angle concerns I don't want to get into.
>
> Wondering why you only want 3/4" longer?  That relates to only 3/8" of lift.
>
> You can make up some shackles right quick with a piece of 2"x1/4 plate, a
> hacksaw, a drill bit of the correct size and a tap.  Then find someone with
> a arc/wirefeeder to weld on the spacer.  Maybe contact the local highschool,
> if someone on the list isn't close enough to you.
> Pete
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:13:16 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] One more time
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] wrote:

>As far as I know the Virginia ABC Board does not get Glen Rothes, but it
is available at DC and MD beverage stores by special order.

Glen Rothes is one of the 'singles' that goes into "Famous Grouse" a
blended.  Famous Grouse has an amusing, direct mail marketing program where
you receive various 'artifacts' from global expeditions, such as a
hand-tied fly from the tomb of Tutankamun or Celtic swizzle sticks
unearthed at Stonhenge.  The marketing department is quite creative.  Not a
bad list to be on.

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 26
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:13:33 -0400
Subject: [lro] MAR question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  Hey Sandy, how far is it you have to winch the truck in the Alum. tri with
the high lift?  20', 30'?

Scooter

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Message: 27
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:23:39 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I'd just assume take the extra shackles I have, go to a shop that does
decent
> work, and have then extend them for me.
>

So you are tring to find a shop that will cut your shackles in half and then
weld em back up with a 3/4" piece in the center?

If so let me know and I will check m y scrap bin and see if I still have the
stock shackles.  I will be in Malibu on the 18th and could make arrangements
to deliver even.

Pete

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:44:49 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Something like that.  After talking with Ray at Rocky Mountain and taking a
good look at what's going on with my suspension, I think that that will give me
a solution with the least impact on ride height and performance.

I think it's safe to say that the truck has some frame damage just behind the
right front spring hanger.  The damage shortened the distance between the
hanger and the rear shackle point just enough to impact how the spring sits.

Is this an offer?  ;-)

Jeff

Hope Peter wrote:

> > I'd just assume take the extra shackles I have, go to a shop that does
> decent
> > work, and have then extend them for me.
> >
>
> So you are tring to find a shop that will cut your shackles in half and then
> weld em back up with a 3/4" piece in the center?
>
> If so let me know and I will check m y scrap bin and see if I still have the
> stock shackles.  I will be in Malibu on the 18th and could make arrangements
> to deliver even.
>
> Pete
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Message: 29
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:21:34 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A stock 88 should get at least 15 miles per US gallon. That's probably 
closer to 17 mpg using imperial gallons.  Some people claim 18mpg or more 
but I have never gotten that except on long highway runs with no stop and 
go.  My local driving is about as inefficient as it gets, constant hills, 
relatively low speeds, daily short plugging in 4wd and I've never gotten 
worse than 13mpg except when I had a major mechanical problem like a bad 
distributor or busted rings.  That's in a 109 regular with cam, two barrel 
weber and a shaved head.  Dragging brakes, vacuum leaks, etc. can really 
suck the gas so be sure you don't have anything like that happening.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

> > I'm just wondering whether I am in the ballpark with the mileage I'm
> > getting with my SII.  I've recently tracked by GPS some 300 miles 
>(everything converted from metric) of highway driving at about 55mph 
>(90k/hr) for an average fuel burn of 15.3 miles per Imperial gallon.  
>Solex, FWH disengaged, no overdrive.

Before I had done a complete tuneup - valves, timing etc - I was getting
about 10/gal
I'm satisfied with 15+ on the highway but I'd like to know whether I should 
be getting more.
Rick Grant

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Message: 30
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:22:41 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Is this an offer?  ;-)
Sure.
will be Saturday before I can get to it.
Plan is to get the garage ready for shipping this weekend.  Will go through
my scrap bins and see if I can find the old shackles.  I made custom ones
that are beafier...nothing wrong with the old ones.  If I can find em I do
have a piece of 2"x1/4 plate laying on the work bench.  take me about 30
minutes to lengthen the shackles.

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Message: 31
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:48:44 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> A stock 88 should get at least 15 miles per US gallon. That's probably
> closer to 17 mpg using imperial gallons.

I am wondering how the milage is based upon miles per hour?

according to the GPS in 6 hours time I drove 69.7 miles and I used a total
of 8.61 gallons.  Avg speed was 23.7 mph. An hour of that time resulted in a
net gain of about 30 feet.  Found a killer rut whose center was a 12" tree
root.  No damage to the rover, but it was an extreme 80 degree side pull
with the winch.  Kept pulling myself off the root, but further into the rut.
Would then un hitch the winch, back up unto the root, dig some more in front
of the front tires and try and pull again.  This was my first time to ever
use the koenig in the field and a true "Oh Shit" situation, and it did
great.  And again I learned a bunch about vehicle extraction.  It's a shame
that I had to clean up the truck and get it ready for shipping, I am really
getting into this stuff.

I digress.  I filled up again and am going to recheck milage before I ship
her to Seattle.  I think I am getting about 10-11 mpg on the highway.  Yes
she's running very rich.  New dizzy and wires have made a great improvement
over idle and general running smoothness.  Local race shops don't have the
carb jets I need.  Not sure if I am going to just go ahead and order them
from BP, or save it as an excuse to visit the store while in CA next month.

Pete

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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:26:19 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] DIY "lockers"
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes, what Bill said is true. I ran around with a welded diff for about
9 months and took it out after finally breaking the stronger axles. I
will give them their due however. I was testing them and was not holding 
back at all. They finally broke as I was trying to go up a rock that I
shouldn't have tried. I ended up hopping quite a bit, and as everyone
knows, that's what breaks axles. When I get the money, I am going to
get them again, and some type of locker as a spool wears the tires way
too fast.

William J. Rice wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:00:09 -0300 [email-masked] (John
> Cranfield) writes:
> >
> > Jim,
> >  it sounds like you would engage your locker at the start of a trail
> > and
> > leave it engaged 'til the trails end.
> 
> Actually what Jim had was a spool.  He blew his diff at last summer's CO
> rally and just welded the thing.  Went thro' halfshafts in a hurry.  Even
> some heavy duty ones ended up dying (both of 'em at once) the day we did
> the Kelly Flats Trail.  
-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:36:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

on 8/28/01 5:22 PM, Hope Peter at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
>> Is this an offer?  ;-)
>> 
> Sure.
> will be Saturday before I can get to it.
> Plan is to get the garage ready for shipping this weekend.  Will go through
> my scrap bins and see if I can find the old shackles.  I made custom ones
> that are beafier...nothing wrong with the old ones.  If I can find em I do
> have a piece of 2"x1/4 plate laying on the work bench.  take me about 30
> minutes to lengthen the shackles.
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

That would be appreciated.  I'm not sure what I can offer in exchange.  I
haven't owned the truck long enough to accumulate much in the way of spares
beyond a set of half shafts, some hoses, and a few fuel pump rebuild pieces.
;-)

Getting the garage ready for shipping?  Are you moving?

Regardless of whether or not you can help, Malibu is only about a 30~40
minute drive up the coast from my house.  We can meet.

Jeff

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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:40:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

on 8/28/01 5:21 PM, Peter Ogilvie at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> A stock 88 should get at least 15 miles per US gallon. That's probably
> closer to 17 mpg using imperial gallons.  Some people claim 18mpg or more
> but I have never gotten that except on long highway runs with no stop and
> go.  My local driving is about as inefficient as it gets, constant hills,
> relatively low speeds, daily short plugging in 4wd and I've never gotten
> worse than 13mpg except when I had a major mechanical problem like a bad
> distributor or busted rings.  That's in a 109 regular with cam, two barrel
> weber and a shaved head.  Dragging brakes, vacuum leaks, etc. can really
> suck the gas so be sure you don't have anything like that happening.
> 
> Aloha
> Peter Ogilvie
> Kona Coffee Rover
> 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
> from exposure of the dark side.
> 1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
> 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
> 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
> certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust
> 
>>> I'm just wondering whether I am in the ballpark with the mileage I'm
>>> getting with my SII.  I've recently tracked by GPS some 300 miles
>> (everything converted from metric) of highway driving at about 55mph
>> (90k/hr) for an average fuel burn of 15.3 miles per Imperial gallon.
>> Solex, FWH disengaged, no overdrive.
> 
> Before I had done a complete tuneup - valves, timing etc - I was getting
> about 10/gal
> I'm satisfied with 15+ on the highway but I'd like to know whether I should
> be getting more.
> Rick Grant
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I average about 11MPG right now (with a lot of that being freeway miles).
I'm still playing with the carb and timing so I don't know where it will
wind up.  Power and performance seem on track, so I not really sure where
I'm losing MPG.  I'm not running rich.

I am wondering what changes I will see around town if I go to a Petronix
ignition and K&N filter to open up the airways a bit.

Jeff 

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Message: 35
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] fabricator in Los Angeles area
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:51:41 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Getting the garage ready for shipping?  Are you moving?
>
> Regardless of whether or not you can help, Malibu is only about a 30~40
> minute drive up the coast from my house.  We can meet.
>
> Jeff

Yes we are moving.  SWMBO is navy, we are on our way to Bremerton
Washington, by way of San
Diego-Malibu-Bakersfield-Sacremento-Portland-Seattle.
Government won't ship "building materials" so my 5 milk greats of metal bits
and my metal storage rack will be going to the local rover guys.  If I have
the old shackles still (the front ones with the spacer welded on) you are
welcome to them.
Pete

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Message: 36
From: Gerald <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:33:32 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wow, I felt bad getting only 11 mpg in the heavy 101 with a V-8 engine.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:40:39 -0700, you wrote:

>I average about 11MPG right now (with a lot of that being freeway miles).
>I'm still playing with the carb and timing so I don't know where it will
>wind up.  Power and performance seem on track, so I not really sure where
>I'm losing MPG.  I'm not running rich.
>
>I am wondering what changes I will see around town if I go to a Petronix
>ignition and K&N filter to open up the airways a bit.
>
>Jeff 

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Message: 37
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:49:10 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think most of my problems lie with the Solex.  I just recently replaced all
the gaskets and seals on it, yet its starting to dribble again already.
Eventually, I know a replacement will work its way onto the engine, but other
projects occupy my time and wallet.

I'm also thinking that the 215/85R16's haven't helped much.

Jeff

Gerald wrote:

> Wow, I felt bad getting only 11 mpg in the heavy 101 with a V-8 engine.
>
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:40:39 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >I average about 11MPG right now (with a lot of that being freeway miles).
> >I'm still playing with the carb and timing so I don't know where it will
> >wind up.  Power and performance seem on track, so I not really sure where
> >I'm losing MPG.  I'm not running rich.
> >
> >I am wondering what changes I will see around town if I go to a Petronix
> >ignition and K&N filter to open up the airways a bit.
> >
> >Jeff
>
> --
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Message: 38
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] MAR question
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:53:19 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For you Scooter, from one tower to the next.

> 
> 
>   Hey Sandy, how far is it you have to winch the truck in the Alum. tri with
> the high lift?  20', 30'?
> 
> Scooter

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Message: 39
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:19:42 +0200
From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter Ogilvie <[email-masked]> [2001.08.29] wrote:
> 
> A stock 88 should get at least 15 miles per US gallon. That's probably 
> closer to 17 mpg using imperial gallons.  Some people claim 18mpg or more 
> but I have never gotten that except on long highway runs with no stop and 

SIII 109 with the 2-1/4 diesel: very approximately 23 miles/USgallon.
This is map miles, since the odometer is pretty much totally fubar
(example; 700km on the map once equalled 1-2 km on the instrument
panel).

/Par
 from the land where they count litres per 10 km

% units
you have: 10 km/litre
you want: furlong/firkin
        * 1.693545e+03
        / 5.904774e-04
you have: 10 km/litre
you want: mile/gallon 
        * 2.352146e+01

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Par Leijonhufvud                                      [email-masked]
You live and learn. Or you don't live long.  
		-- Lazarus Long (R.A. Heinlein) 

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Message: 40
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:39:05 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

At 06:19 29/08/01 +0200, Par Leijonhufvud, wrote
>You live and learn. Or you don't live long.
>                 -- Lazarus Long (R.A. Heinlein)

When I joined the Canadian Air Force in 1969, then the RCAF, pilot training 
was full of sayings like this.  There were others that I have never forgotten:

"The thing you don't check is the thing that will kill you."
"Panic kills"
"Fly the airplane, then work the problem"
"If you get upset, emotional, or angry you are not dealing with the emergency'
"There is always a way."

Rather good rules for life in general I've always thought.

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Message: 41
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:57:29 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Your tires are larger than 32", I believe.  You are probably running a 15" 
speedometer.  Between the two, you are probably covering quite a bit more 
ground than is actually registering.  If you wanted to play with the gps, 
you might find your getting respectable mileage, after all.  Of course, 4wd, 
low range is not noted for generating great mileage, especially if your hung 
up on a root and spinning your tires.

When you get to more normal in the real world, bet the gps will give you 
some better mpg numbers.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] Gas Mileage?
>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:48:44 -1000
>
>
> > A stock 88 should get at least 15 miles per US gallon. That's probably
> > closer to 17 mpg using imperial gallons.
>
>I am wondering how the milage is based upon miles per hour?
>
>according to the GPS in 6 hours time I drove 69.7 miles and I used a total
>of 8.61 gallons.  Avg speed was 23.7 mph. An hour of that time resulted in 
>a
>net gain of about 30 feet.  Found a killer rut whose center was a 12" tree
>root.  No damage to the rover, but it was an extreme 80 degree side pull
>with the winch.  Kept pulling myself off the root, but further into the 
>rut.
>Would then un hitch the winch, back up unto the root, dig some more in 
>front
>of the front tires and try and pull again.  This was my first time to ever
>use the koenig in the field and a true "Oh Shit" situation, and it did
>great.  And again I learned a bunch about vehicle extraction.  It's a shame
>that I had to clean up the truck and get it ready for shipping, I am really
>getting into this stuff.
>
>I digress.  I filled up again and am going to recheck milage before I ship
>her to Seattle.  I think I am getting about 10-11 mpg on the highway.  Yes
>she's running very rich.  New dizzy and wires have made a great improvement
>over idle and general running smoothness.  Local race shops don't have the
>carb jets I need.  Not sure if I am going to just go ahead and order them
>from BP, or save it as an excuse to visit the store while in CA next month.
>
>Pete
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Message: 42
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:45:15 +0200
From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Sacrifices to the lord of darkness...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone who have any serious advice regarding the electrics in SIIIs?

Yesterday I replaced the horn/flasher/hi-lo stick since it was working
it's way from slightly wonky towards useless[1]. Everything works,
except the front flashers, after some cussing I find the fault (ground,
big surprise). 

After tracing things in the partial rats nest of wiring (original,
random colored replacements, all kinds of connectors know to man,
including "twist and wrap some tape around it", I would really want to
do it all over, correctly. Am I insane? More than  using a 30 year old
truck as more or less daily driver (bicycle to work, but when I need a
car the 109 is it) already implies?

Which is best, buing a complete wiring harness and spending X hours
putting it in, or buying a metric buttload of wire and doing it myself? 

Or should I just fix it as the faults pop up? Is there anything minor
that is worthwile doing[2]?

/Par

[1] First it took away the horn, but it's a year until the annual test,
and I don't use it much anyway. Then it took away the low beams...

[2] Such as replacing the patch-on-patch-on-patch crap that passes for
wiring for the front lights and horn. Any advice on what kind of
connectors would do nicely instead?

-- 
Par Leijonhufvud                                      [email-masked]
Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators:
Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. 
		-- Adapted from Stephen Pinker

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Message: 43
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:48:53 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Looking for seat bottom 'brackets' . .
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone out there parting a Series vehicle with adjustable seat bottoms. I'm 
looking for the complete setup (one side) to put on the passenger side.
thanks
Scott Just
Rochester, MI.
1968 '109

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Message: 44
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:55:11 +0200
From: Par Leijonhufvud <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Seats?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm thinking about replacing then seats that currently reside in the
SII. Best guess is that they are from an old WV, and they are not really
properly attached. The original "frames" are gone, naturally. I can see
three alterantives

1. Get "original high back" or something along that line.
2. Buy Volvo or Saab seats in the junkyard. 
3. Racing seats.

Naturally the junk yard alterantive is cheapest, but the -- supposedly?
-- higher level of protection that a racing seat will give is tempting.
How uncomfortable/inconvenient are they for normal driving? 

Then we have the whole issue of how to attach whatever seats I get
properly... 

/Par

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