Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #62 - 62 msgs

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:19:04 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content ([email-masked])
   2. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally ([email-masked])
   3. RE: now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content (Carl Kinkade)
   4. RE: Glen Rothes (James G.Wolf)
   5. Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET (TeriAnn Wakeman)
   6. Single Malt from LCBO (Easton Trevor A)
   7. Re: now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content (Jerrod)
   8. Series II club (James G.Wolf)
   9. Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET (john hess)
  10. Re: Series II club (Dick Joltes)
  11. Re: Series II club (Rich Williams II)
  12. Gearbox noise (Keith Tanner)
  13. Re: Gearbox noise (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  14. Re: now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content (Alex Maiolo)
  15. Re: Gearbox noise (N Forbes)
  16. Re: Gearbox noise (Keith Tanner)
  17. Re: Gearbox noise (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  18. What's hot (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  19. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Frank Elson)
  20. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Frank Elson)
  21. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Frank Elson)
  22. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Frank Elson)
  23. rivet guns (Simon J. Harding)
  24. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  25. Rear Axle (Mark Pilkington)
  26. RE: Rear Axle (Simon J. Harding)
  27. Re: Rear Axle (Hope Peter)
  28. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Jeff Berg)
  29. RE: Rear Axle (Simon J. Harding)
  30. Re: Rear Axle (Mark Pilkington)
  31. Re: Rear Axle (Hope Peter)
  32. RE: Rear Axle (Simon J. Harding)
  33. Mid Atlantic Rally and Wombles (Easton Trevor A)
  34. Re: Gearbox noise (Keith Tanner)
  35. Parabolics on, but... (Jeff Bieler)
  36. Re: Rear Axle (Mark Pilkington)
  37. Re: Rear Axle ([email-masked])
  38. Re: Parabolics on, but... ([email-masked])
  39. Ratio problems after V6 Conversion (Lance da Silva)
  40. Re: Parabolics on, but... (Jeff Bieler)
  41. Greasy balls. (Keith Tanner)
  42. Re: Greasy balls. (Mark Pilkington)
  43. Re: Ratio problems after V6 Conversion (John Cranfield)
  44. Re: Parabolics on, but... (N Forbes)
  45. Re: Greasy balls. (N Forbes)
  46. Re: Gearbox noise (Phil Norris)
  47. Re: Rear Axle (Phil Norris)
  48. Re: Gearbox noise (Jim Hall)
  49. Re: Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET (Jim Hall)
  50. RE: Greasy balls. (Perrone Ford)
  51. Re: Greasy balls. (Keith Tanner)
  52. Re: Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET (Keith Tanner)
  53. Re: Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET (Jim Hall)
  54. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Scott Wickham)
  55. Re: Rear Axle (Scott Wickham)
  56. Re: What's hot (Peter Ogilvie)
  57. Re: Greasy balls. (N Forbes)
  58. RE: Greasy balls. (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  59. Re: Rear Axle (Peter Ogilvie)
  60. Re: Parabolics on, but... ([email-masked])
  61. Re: Rear Axle ([email-masked])
  62. Re: Greasy balls. (Keith Tanner)

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Message: 1
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:33:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/23/01 10:36:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> --"premium tequila" not the liquor guy)
> 
> Actually, he's right. There are now tequila's being produced that
> fetch hundreds of dollars per bottle. Guys pay $30-$60 a glass to
> experience the class.
> 
> I won't claim to understand it, but it is the truth.
> 
> 

As they say, "Paper will stand still for whatever you want to write on it."

I doubt that historically there are very few bigtime tequila drinkers who 
ever said,
"You know this just isn't a premium tequila" (except when cut with kerosene). 
 Just because a bunch of wealthy yahoos want to pretend they have "the finest 
in premium tequilas" doesn't mean there's really a difference.

Side note:  Scientific studies have shown that the typical impurities in 
tequila make it the distilled product most likely to cause a hangover.

Nate

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Message: 2
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:25:46 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>"Frank Elson" wrote:

I> look forward to meeting you all there.

Excellent!
Don't worry about bringing fly rods, I will provide. 
I'm looking forward to meeting you.

rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA

1965 Diesel LWB, The Ugly Truck
1965 Ex-MOD FFR LWB, pile'o'parts <- Just add bolts  :-0
1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Winnie
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

Q. Why do they call it a kilt?
A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt.

             The road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs.
                                               -Bill Gorton

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Message: 3
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:57:00 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> impurities in tequila make it the distilled product most likely
> to cause a hangover.

And I thought it was just because of the quantity that gets consumed, since
you tend not to sip tequila.  I know I have had a few handovers from it, but
I thought it was due to the 10 tequila poppers.

Carl

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:48:43 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] RE: Glen Rothes
Reply-To: [email-masked]

According to my single malt book: Glen Rothes is used to blend Famous
Grouse and Cutty Sark, they make over 1 million gallons yearly.
The small amount that is bottled as single malt is described as.."A find",
"My Favorite", "A whisky with deep, complex aromas and flovors".
Aromas: Comlpex, spicy, light peat, nutty.
Flavors: Caramel, buttery, vanilla, sweet, smoky finish.

Usually bottled at 15 years.

Sounds good, wonder if I can get a bottle locially?

Jim Wolf

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 01 08:17:27 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>, "mendo rec list"
  <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date:        08/24  7:42 AM
Received:    08/24  8:12 AM
From:        Richard Feibusch, [email-masked]
To:          [email-masked]
CC:          [email-masked]
             British cars list, [email-masked]

THE 2001 PALO ALTO BRITISH CAR MEET - CANCELED!!!

Dear California British car enthusiasts,

It is with an extremely heavy heart that we have to inform you that the
23rd Annual Palo Alto British Car Meet, scheduled for Sept. 9th, is being
canceled for this year.  On August 20th, Caltrans, the California State
highway board, informed the City of Palo Alto department of Parks &
Recreation that they would be tearing up the El Camino Real and closing 
off
El Camino Park from the street starting Sept. 1st. As the park is backed 
by
railroad tracks and their are no other entrances that could handle 600+
cars or trailers and equipment, there seems no way around the certain 
chaos
and confusion and we have opted for cancellation.

There was no way to comfortably use the park and little time to relocate
the meet (barely enough time to cancel it!) we have been forced to cancel
the Sunday car show. We will be back next year, possibly with a new
location. We are truly sorry and hope that you understand this unfortunate
turn of events. Please tell all of your British car owning friends so we
don't have a bunch of people show up to an empty park.

Sincerely,

Rick Feibusch & The British Car Meet Staff

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Message: 6
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:11:12 -0400
Subject: [lro] Single Malt from LCBO
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For Glen Rothes see www.lcbo.ca

 <<...OLE_Obj...>> 
Glenrothes Vintage Single Malt*
Made in Great Britain 
by Berry Brothers & Rudd Ltd.
Alcohol / volume: 43.00%   
Size (mL)      Item number     Price     
750                543694           $79.95  
Tasting Note-Medium amber colour, aromas of heather, iodine, peat and spice
with a generous palate and soft finish
Serving Suggestions-Serve after dinner, with mineral water
For Product availability, go to the Store Search page and locate the LCBO
store closest to any address or postal code in Ontario. Click on the Store
#. This location will be stored with your web browser's "cookie" for use
with subsequent product searches. 

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerrod <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content
To: land rover list <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I bought my Rover with the money I saved when I
stopped drinking and to give me something to do so I
could stop drinking.  It has been the most successful
attempt at this that I have tried.  Now to see this
thread.  Ha!

I'm not knockin' it's just the irony of it all.

My fav was Jim Beam out of the bottle.  mmmmm I can
smell it now.

Peace,
Jerrod.
'89RR
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:02:50 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Series II club
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just found out that there is a Series II club. It is for the entire SII,
SIIB, SIIA range. Check this web site.
http://www.series2club.org.uk/

Jim & Jeanne Wolf
Elvenwood Kennel
  at Tighe na Ulbhaidh
450 Mount Vernon Ave
Portsmouth, VA, 23707 USA
757-397-2428
[email-masked]
http://www.elvenwood.com

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:10:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: john hess <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
cc: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hey, the Land Rovers could come in the back way!

Dang, I was looking forward to the meet since I won't be at Portland.

john hess, Davis, California        [email-masked]
Dormie web pages at 
http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:25:30 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Series II club
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There's also one for us Lightweight owners:  
  http://www.lwt.i8.com/

but it's apparently not very active at this point...web site hasn't
been updated for a while.

cheers,

dj

"James G.Wolf" wrote:
> 
> I just found out that there is a Series II club. It is for the entire SII,
> SIIB, SIIA range. Check this web site.
> http://www.series2club.org.uk/
> 
> Jim & Jeanne Wolf
> Elvenwood Kennel
>   at Tighe na Ulbhaidh
> 450 Mount Vernon Ave
> Portsmouth, VA, 23707 USA
> 757-397-2428
> [email-masked]
> http://www.elvenwood.com
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Message: 11
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Series II club
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:24:37 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Excellent!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: James G.Wolf <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:02 PM
Subject: [lro] Series II club

I just found out that there is a Series II club. It is for the entire SII,
SIIB, SIIA range. Check this web site.
http://www.series2club.org.uk/

Jim & Jeanne Wolf
Elvenwood Kennel
  at Tighe na Ulbhaidh
450 Mount Vernon Ave
Portsmouth, VA, 23707 USA
757-397-2428
[email-masked]
http://www.elvenwood.com
_______________________________________________
LRO mailing list
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:29:25 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Gearbox noise
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My gearbox has started making an odd noise. It's a squeal that happens when 
I first start to let the clutch out from a stop with the truck in gear or 
sometimes when idling in gear and the clutch depressed. If the tranny brake 
is on, it often won't make the noise. It seems to go away as the 
transmission warms up. It never makes the noise with the clutch fully engaged.

This is a D-suffix transmission that I recently installed in my SIIa. The 
tranny originally had a PTO-driven winch installed, so I had to reinstall 
the gear on the back of the box. I used the proper tool and cranked it down 
as hard as I could.

Keith Tanner

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox noise
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:43:23 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sounds like maybe the center bushing on the flywheel's a bit worn/dry. Did
you change the bushing when you did the clutch/tranny?

               ajr

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Message: 14
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] now:Booze question - no Land Rover Content
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:37:43 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Side note:  Scientific studies have shown that the typical impurities in
> tequila make it the distilled product most likely to cause a hangover.
>
> Nate

The bad thing is that Scotch isn't really so hot on the impurities issue
either. Some of the best distilleries produce malt full of oils, phenol,
etc. that are pretty big contributors to morning head. I hear the ones from
Islay, which I tend to favor, can be the worst.
Ultimately it doesn't matter. I doubt there are many people who sit around
doing bottle after bottle of shots of premium malt. I've seen some people
put some high quality Scotch back, but the tequilla drinkers are a different
breed.
Like Dave S., the mere thought of Te-kill-ya makes me wretch, so I'll never
know the culture.
Gin is typically *very* impure too, but I like gin :)

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

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Message: 15
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox noise
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:49:02 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Worn/siezed pilot shaft bushing? Sounds like it's more clutch related than 
tranny related.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
--author unknown

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:52:29 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox noise
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Sounds like maybe the center bushing on the flywheel's a bit worn/dry. Did
>you change the bushing when you did the clutch/tranny?

Nope. The clutch was replaced this spring (I left the flywheel alone) and 
the tranny was just a couple of weeks ago. Nobody mentioned the bushing at 
the time I was asking "what else should I do while I'm in there" :(  Don't 
tell me I have to pull the tranny again! Argh.

Keith

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Message: 17
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox noise
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:31:31 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

hmmm...maybe it isn't. It occurs to me that you mentioned it's doing this
on engagement, not disengagement, so that kinda-sorta lets the pilot
bushing out. Ditto the throwout bearing, as they're both doing all their
business when the clutch is disengaged and slacking off white it is
engaged.

Does it squeak with the tranny in neutral, and if not does it squeak with
the tranny engaged and the transfer case in neutral?

Lastly, is this kind of a rotational squeak (chirp,chirp,chirp) or could it
be just something positioning itself under torwue (like a bolt scraping the
tranny casing or something like that)? A loose or flunky transmission mount
comes to mind here.....maybe something moving under torque loading.

                    aj"Yes, you shoulda replaced the pilot bushing"r

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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:46:39 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] What's hot
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] wrote:

>He replies (I'm not joking here)  "No, actually the really hot liquor is 
>premium tequila."

>My wife and I looked at each other and burst out laughing.

...and the price of *any* tequila has gone though the roof.  Supposedly, a
cold snap in the growing regions of Mexico damaged or destroyed several
year's worth of agave plants.  Come to think of it, wasn't the same reason
given for the this year's run-up in gasoline prices?

Cheers

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Message: 19
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:40:34 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

John writes: >>>the attendance of a famed UK journalist at this
> year's MAR.<<<

is someone else going from here as well as me?    

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 20
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:52:45 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

nope, I never did learn to write...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Wickham <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally

>
> I look forward to meeting you all there.
>
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
>
>
>   Frank, is this true?  Your going to be at the MAR?  Wow, true LR celeb
> from the UK.  I can't wait.  I'm bringing a black Sharpie marker, will you
> sign my SIII?
>
> Scott Wickham Jr.
> Pgh., Pa.
> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
> '72 SIII
> '84 RR
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 21
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:36:05 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Phil Norris wrote: >>>Shouldn't that read " famed UK
Womble-impersonator"??<<<

ignore that man, he's probably drunk again. In any case, tonight, ten
minutes after he finishes wiring up my broadband, he dies.... horribly...

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Message: 22
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:38:15 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A Womble is/was a lovable television character who MADE A GOOD FEW QUID by
recording some popular music songs...
what on earth in that is there to be ashamed of in that?
Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally

>
> >Shouldn't that read " famed UK Womble-impersonator"??
> >Yours
> >Phil(now I've done it...)N
>
> OK - I have heard the story - but :
>
> WHAT THE F*** IS A WOMBLE!?!?!?!
>
>                     ajr
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 23
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:41:21 -0700
Subject: [lro] rivet guns
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just bought a compressor and I need to get an air rivet setting gun (poprivets), as I'm planning to have my cappings regalvy'd this winter (we'll see if this actually happens)  Can those of you with these tools mail me direct with your comments on yours, price, etc (I'll be unsubbed on vacation for the next 1.5 weeks).  I'm looking for inexpensive (low cost), not cheap (low quality).  Thanks all and have a great holiday.
Simon

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Message: 24
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:01:18 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A Womble is/was a lovable television character who MADE A GOOD FEW QUID by
recording some popular music songs...
what on earth in that is there to be ashamed of in that?
Best Cheers

Frank

Not a damned thing, Frank, not a damned thing......8*)

I am just having far too much fun picturing you cavorting around on a stage
in frot of a few thousand screaming kiddies in a damn Teddy-bear
suit......how drunk were you at the time?

My heart can't take it.....8*)

                    ajr

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:15:11 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Rear Axle
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quick question to the Gurus.  Are all Military Salisbury type rear axels
limited slip Diff's? Are any indeed? What is the benefit of a
Salisbury?  I have just found one under the arse-end of my 72 109.
Thanks
Mark Pilkington

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Message: 26
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:11:04 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Stronger.  Better.  Faster.  Well, maybe not faster.
Simon

 What is the benefit of a
Salisbury?

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Message: 27
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:17:18 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Quick question to the Gurus.  Are all Military Salisbury type rear axels
> limited slip Diff's?
Not stock
> Are any indeed? What is the benefit of a
> Salisbury?
None what so ever.  They are actually quit inferior to the Rover axles.
Pure crap they are.  I have a spare rear axle assembly, with all new brake
parts that I can swap with ya if you like.  Will even come over and do the
work myself ;-)

Pete

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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:26:55 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I am just having far too much fun picturing you cavorting around on a stage
>in frot of a few thousand screaming kiddies in a damn Teddy-bear
>suit......how drunk were you at the time?
>
>My heart can't take it.....8*)

Well how about picturing this--best have someone grab the shock 
paddles 'fore you do though... Let's get Frank to a Birthday Party so 
that he, Dale and Jon H. can ALL don fuzzy suits and dance about the 
fire singing "I'm a little Pixie."

jeff

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Message: 29
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:21:57 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take back what I said about salisbury axles.  I agree with Pete.  They
really are garbage.  I wouldn't have one under my rover if you paid me, but I
can't afford to get rid of mine.  In fact, they are so unreliable I'm looking
for another one, just to have on hand.  I'm closer to you than Pete is, so why
don't I just swing down and take that axle off your hands.  I'm sure you can
find a rover axle to replace it.  I'll pay you what the rover axle xosts plus
labor to remove adn replace the salisbury.  Yeah... that's the ticket...
Simon"compulsive liar" H

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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:36:09 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quick Peter,
    Let's get that out from under there and get it back to what it once was.
Will you really do it for free and give me that "real" axle?/ ;-)  Are they
Limited slip?  I wonder what else I will find on it.

Hope Peter wrote:

> > Quick question to the Gurus.  Are all Military Salisbury type rear axels
> > limited slip Diff's?
> Not stock
> > Are any indeed? What is the benefit of a
> > Salisbury?
> None what so ever.  They are actually quit inferior to the Rover axles.
> Pure crap they are.  I have a spare rear axle assembly, with all new brake
> parts that I can swap with ya if you like.  Will even come over and do the
> work myself ;-)
>
> Pete
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 31
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:07:02 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Quick Peter,
>     Let's get that out from under there and get it back to what it once
was.
> Will you really do it for free and give me that "real" axle?/ ;-)

No problem.  Will ship the axle this weekend and fly over next to do the
work :-)

> Are they
> Limited slip?  I wonder what else I will find on it.
To the best of my knowledge, no axles (Salisbury, ENV, Rover) installed at
the factory had limited slips.

The Salisbury axle you have is a Dana 60.  This means that the parts are out
there to do anything you want...with out having to pay Atlantic British
prices.  You can get just about any lock/slip out there for the D-60 as long
as the spline count is the same.

There are also front salisburies out there.  The ones I have seen have disc
brakes.  Have also seen some rears with discs.  Since they are D-60s
changing ring and pinions is also a much more inexpensive task then with the
rover axle.

Salisbury's do require more work to set up the pinions and stuff the Rover
axles.  Rovers have a screw adjustedbearing.  Salisburys require a D60 case
spreader to do lockers and stuff.

In the end Sals are cheaper to run and maintain and much stronger.  They are
heavier, a bit harder to set up and have less clearance under the case.
Many places in the USA offer a different case that has the bottom shaved.
Doesn't effect strength but gets back about an inch of clearance.  Any
driveline shop can pull your existing tubes and reweld into the new case.

Pete

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Message: 32
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:31:16 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mind you:  the front pinion bearing (I think its the front one, maybe rear?)
is NOT a dana part, nor is the crush sleeve.  But I have the part numbers for
them from Timkin someplace.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Hope Peter [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Friday, August 24, 2001 12:07 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: [lro] Rear Axle

> Quick Peter,
>     Let's get that out from under there and get it back to what it once
was.
> Will you really do it for free and give me that "real" axle?/ ;-)

No problem.  Will ship the axle this weekend and fly over next to do the
work :-)

> Are they
> Limited slip?  I wonder what else I will find on it.
To the best of my knowledge, no axles (Salisbury, ENV, Rover) installed at
the factory had limited slips.

The Salisbury axle you have is a Dana 60.  This means that the parts are out
there to do anything you want...with out having to pay Atlantic British
prices.  You can get just about any lock/slip out there for the D-60 as long
as the spline count is the same.

There are also front salisburies out there.  The ones I have seen have disc
brakes.  Have also seen some rears with discs.  Since they are D-60s
changing ring and pinions is also a much more inexpensive task then with the
rover axle.

Salisbury's do require more work to set up the pinions and stuff the Rover
axles.  Rovers have a screw adjustedbearing.  Salisburys require a D60 case
spreader to do lockers and stuff.

In the end Sals are cheaper to run and maintain and much stronger.  They are
heavier, a bit harder to set up and have less clearance under the case.
Many places in the USA offer a different case that has the bottom shaved.
Doesn't effect strength but gets back about an inch of clearance.  Any
driveline shop can pull your existing tubes and reweld into the new case.

Pete
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Message: 33
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:44:50 -0400
Subject: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally and Wombles
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> A Womble is/was a lovable television character who MADE A GOOD FEW QUID by
> recording some popular music songs...
> what on earth in that is there to be ashamed of in that?
> Best Cheers
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
	Now can you remember the tune ,Frank?

	New words:-

	On the road, off the road,
	Wombleing free,
	The Womble of Cowper common,
	That's me

	Dedicated to Uncle Bulgaria Elson Aug 2001

	See you at MAR, we can compare notes on compression, ignition,
depression etc

	Regards
	Trevor 

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Message: 34
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:34:14 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox noise
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Guaranteed way to generate the squeal: start the truck cold with the clutch 
depressed. When you start letting the clutch out to move off, it'll make 
the noise. Once you're underway, it'll stop. Sometimes it will make the 
noise when sitting with the clutch depressed and the truck in gear - but 
usually not if the transmission brake is applied. I haven't tried putting 
the transfer case in neutral. I'll give that a go tonight.

It's a squeal, a bit like a belt slipping. Something is spinning up to 
speed. It's what I would imagine a dry bushing to sound like. My initial 
guess was throwout bearing. I'm not 100% of when it's idle and when it 
starts to spin, but it's something coming up to speed from a rest.

Tranny mounts are new and tight. The gearshift is not moving around.

Keith

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Message: 35
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:07:10 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Parabolics on, but...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The parabolics are on with all new hardware, bump stops, check straps,
shocks, etc.  All the old stuff was gone to sh*t.  The ride is great and
the truck is about 2 1/2" taller.  I went with Rocky Mountain 2 leafs
front and rear.

Anyway, after getting everything settled, torqued, etc., I have a
concern.  The right front shackle is cantered back far enough that the
military wrap of the spring is contacting the frame.  The truck is
sitting level.  A little nose down, but level left to right.  Any
thoughts?

Thanks.

Jeff

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Message: 36
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:11:16 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks Peter.  That is the info I needed.  I got lucky there.  I thought it
looked different to ones I have seen in the past.
Mark

Hope Peter wrote:

> > Quick Peter,
> >     Let's get that out from under there and get it back to what it once
> was.
> > Will you really do it for free and give me that "real" axle?/ ;-)
>
> No problem.  Will ship the axle this weekend and fly over next to do the
> work :-)
>
> > Are they
> > Limited slip?  I wonder what else I will find on it.
> To the best of my knowledge, no axles (Salisbury, ENV, Rover) installed at
> the factory had limited slips.
>
> The Salisbury axle you have is a Dana 60.  This means that the parts are out
> there to do anything you want...with out having to pay Atlantic British
> prices.  You can get just about any lock/slip out there for the D-60 as long
> as the spline count is the same.
>
> There are also front salisburies out there.  The ones I have seen have disc
> brakes.  Have also seen some rears with discs.  Since they are D-60s
> changing ring and pinions is also a much more inexpensive task then with the
> rover axle.
>
> Salisbury's do require more work to set up the pinions and stuff the Rover
> axles.  Rovers have a screw adjustedbearing.  Salisburys require a D60 case
> spreader to do lockers and stuff.
>
> In the end Sals are cheaper to run and maintain and much stronger.  They are
> heavier, a bit harder to set up and have less clearance under the case.
> Many places in the USA offer a different case that has the bottom shaved.
> Doesn't effect strength but gets back about an inch of clearance.  Any
> driveline shop can pull your existing tubes and reweld into the new case.
>
> Pete
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 37
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:16:45 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/24/01 3:13:05 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>To the best of my knowledge, no axles (Salisbury, ENV, Rover) installed
>at
>
>the factory had limited slips.

There were some rover rear axles that had a type of auto locker (like the 
detroit) installed from the factory.  I believe this was around the late 60's.

adam

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Message: 38
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:24:56 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Parabolics on, but...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/24/01 5:10:42 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>A little nose down, but level left to right.  Any
>thoughts

are you sure you didnt put the rear spring on the front? the only reason i 
can think of you haveing this problem is if the spring were too long, pushing 
the shackle backwards.  maybe they sent you 2 sets of rear springs?

adam

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Message: 39
From: "Lance da Silva" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:32:53 +0200
Subject: [lro] Ratio problems after V6 Conversion
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have fitted a Ford V6 to my 11A 109 as the original 6 cyl was tired and diesel replacements scarce in South Africa. The old 
Essex 3.0l V6 on the other hand is very available and spares are very cheap. Somewhere I went wrong as I have all gears, 
but in High range a maximum speed of 60km/h and then you are out of revs. The only other problem I notice is that she will 
not select 4WD in High Range. Unless I have done something really obvious I suppose it is open up gearbox time.
regards 
Lance

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Message: 40
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:07:36 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Parabolics on, but...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No.  The two leaf rears include a pad at the bottom of the pack.  The fronts
don't include it.  I was thinking the frame might be tweeked, but the truck
doesn't crab and it doesn't pull either.

[email-masked] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/24/01 5:10:42 PM, [email-masked] writes:
>
> >A little nose down, but level left to right.  Any
> >thoughts
>
> are you sure you didnt put the rear spring on the front? the only reason i
> can think of you haveing this problem is if the spring were too long, pushing
> the shackle backwards.  maybe they sent you 2 sets of rear springs?
>
> adam
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Message: 41
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:22:55 -0600
To: "lro-koan.team.net" <[email-masked]>
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Greasy balls.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I keep seeing references to a smouldering war between those that grease 
their balls and those that oil them. Their swivel balls, I mean. I do not 
mean to reopen a rift, but I have a question.

Is there any external sign of the change from oil-filled to grease-filled? 
I drained what was left of the fluid inside Basil's swivel balls yesterday 
and the mess that came out looked like it was gear oil mixed with grease, 
ie "eewww!". The drain and fill plugs look normal, no grease fittings 
attached. I don't remember the previous change looking so gross, but I've 
also run the truck across country since then which was the first long 
outing for over a decade.

Keith

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Message: 42
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:39:44 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Greasy balls.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Keith,
    I just squeezed as much grease as I could get into my balls through a cake
icing bag.  It was about enough to fill a small grease gun.  I squeezed it in
through the hole in the top that the oil goes in until no more would fit. Then
I went and had a shower because it was probably the dirtyest, greasiest job I
have ever done.  You have to turn the wheels so the hole is "open". Hey
presto...No leaks,  I do not know if this is right, but with that much grease
in there it must be protected.  No problems in the last 6 months. The vehicle
is a 1990 Range Rover.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

Keith Tanner wrote:

> I keep seeing references to a smouldering war between those that grease
> their balls and those that oil them. Their swivel balls, I mean. I do not
> mean to reopen a rift, but I have a question.
>
> Is there any external sign of the change from oil-filled to grease-filled?
> I drained what was left of the fluid inside Basil's swivel balls yesterday
> and the mess that came out looked like it was gear oil mixed with grease,
> ie "eewww!". The drain and fill plugs look normal, no grease fittings
> attached. I don't remember the previous change looking so gross, but I've
> also run the truck across country since then which was the first long
> outing for over a decade.
>
> Keith
>
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Message: 43
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:44:26 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Ratio problems after V6 Conversion
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Your transfercase is stuck in low range.
Just above the front out put flange is a "tin" cover over the ends of
the shifting rods. Take this off and give everything inside a good clean
and light lube. Work the rods back and forth til all slides well.
John and Muddy.
PS if you try to feed your computer coffee you will need a new keyboard.

Lance da Silva wrote:
> 
> I have fitted a Ford V6 to my 11A 109 as the original 6 cyl was tired and diesel replacements scarce in South Africa. The old
> Essex 3.0l V6 on the other hand is very available and spares are very cheap. Somewhere I went wrong as I have all gears,
> but in High range a maximum speed of 60km/h and then you are out of revs. The only other problem I notice is that she will
> not select 4WD in High Range. Unless I have done something really obvious I suppose it is open up gearbox time.
> regards
> Lance
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> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 44
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Parabolics on, but...
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:32:14 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff, just make up some slightly longer shackles. And I mean slightly - like 
a quarter inch or less longer. Mine don't touch but they ae close. I often 
wonder if they hit when I bottom out can can find no evidence of it.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 45
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Greasy balls.
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:34:53 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Kieth, that's water and mud in your oil. Welcome to the world of off-roading 
;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 46
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox noise
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:38:49 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I had this, just before some damned spring in the clutch dies, fell in the
pressure plate and jammed the lot.  Not that it's the spring squeeking but
in the repair I got a new thrust-bearing and all of a sudden.....perfect
peace!
Brgds
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 24 August 2001 17:37
Subject: [lro] Gearbox noise

>
>My gearbox has started making an odd noise. It's a squeal that happens when
>I first start to let the clutch out from a stop with the truck in gear or
>sometimes when idling in gear and the clutch depressed. If the tranny brake
>is on, it often won't make the noise. It seems to go away as the
>transmission warms up. It never makes the noise with the clutch fully
engaged.
>
>This is a D-suffix transmission that I recently installed in my SIIa. The
>tranny originally had a PTO-driven winch installed, so I had to reinstall
>the gear on the back of the box. I used the proper tool and cranked it down
>as hard as I could.
>
>Keith Tanner
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Message: 47
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:41:12 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My 110 has one as stock, not LSD, but bigger,stronger better-built etc....
In my dreams I'd have a Sali front too, no probs EVER with that then!!
Discs all round. PAS, 5-speed box, hiback seats.........
Then I wake up!!
Brgds
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 24 August 2001 19:16
Subject: [lro] Rear Axle

>
>Quick question to the Gurus.  Are all Military Salisbury type rear axels
>limited slip Diff's? Are any indeed? What is the benefit of a
>Salisbury?  I have just found one under the arse-end of my 72 109.
>Thanks
>Mark Pilkington
>_______________________________________________
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Message: 48
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:50:16 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Gearbox noise
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mine did something like this after I put a clutch in it. After ignoring
it for a while, it stopped. I think Ralph had the same thing happen to
him also. I think mine may have been due to the fact that the bushing in
the clutch mechanism cover, the one that the sleve that engages the
pressure plate rides inside of, is a little loose in the cover. At one 
point I tried peening it in several places to keep it from spinning, 
but didn't feel like pulling everything out to replace it when that 
didn't last long. But it hasn't done it for a long long time, and I 
don't leak any more oil than I ever did, so it will stay that way for
a while...

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> Guaranteed way to generate the squeal: start the truck cold with the clutch
> depressed. When you start letting the clutch out to move off, it'll make
> the noise. Once you're underway, it'll stop. Sometimes it will make the
> noise when sitting with the clutch depressed and the truck in gear - but
> usually not if the transmission brake is applied. I haven't tried putting
> the transfer case in neutral. I'll give that a go tonight.
> 
> It's a squeal, a bit like a belt slipping. Something is spinning up to
> speed. It's what I would imagine a dry bushing to sound like. My initial
> guess was throwout bearing. I'm not 100% of when it's idle and when it
> starts to spin, but it's something coming up to speed from a rest.
> 
> Tranny mounts are new and tight. The gearshift is not moving around.
> 
> Keith
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 49
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:53:03 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You can all just come to the Colorado English Motoring Conclave on Sept.
15th & 16th instead.

john hess wrote:
> 
> Hey, the Land Rovers could come in the back way!
> 
> Dang, I was looking forward to the meet since I won't be at Portland.

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 50
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Greasy balls.
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:54:30 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In truth, either will work just fine.  But there are some REAL drawbacks to
each.  The grease is quite messy to get in the swivels.  Once in it stays
there, even when you don't want it!  Grease doesn't flow, so in very cold
temperatures, things are probably not getting lubricated like you might
like.  If you have less than perfect seals (and who doesn't) then if you go
off-road you will get sand, grit, mud, and water into the swivels.
Unfortunately, getting it back OUT means dismantling the swivels, and
scraping that stuff out.  Then it all has to be washed down with solvent,
then the swivel filled up with grease again.

With the oil, it flows well when cold, and flushes easily after off-roading.
The big drawback is that it leaks.  So you dismantle the swivel, replace the
seals for $20 and be on your way.  Lots of positives for only one real
drawback.

Choose your own path...

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of Keith Tanner
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:23 PM
> To: lro-koan.team.net
> Subject: [lro] Greasy balls.
>
>
>
> I keep seeing references to a smouldering war between those that grease
> their balls and those that oil them. Their swivel balls, I mean. I do not
> mean to reopen a rift, but I have a question.
>
> Is there any external sign of the change from oil-filled to
> grease-filled?
> I drained what was left of the fluid inside Basil's swivel balls
> yesterday
> and the mess that came out looked like it was gear oil mixed with grease,
> ie "eewww!". The drain and fill plugs look normal, no grease fittings
> attached. I don't remember the previous change looking so gross, but I've
> also run the truck across country since then which was the first long
> outing for over a decade.
>
> Keith

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Message: 51
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:13:39 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Greasy balls.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Kieth, that's water and mud in your oil. Welcome to the world of 
>off-roading ;-)

Come to think of it, the colour was about the same as this stuff: 
http://keith.miata.net/landy/images/offroad_dropoff_basil2.jpg . Hmm.

Keith

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Message: 52
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:14:30 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>You can all just come to the Colorado English Motoring Conclave on Sept.
>15th & 16th instead.

Ooh ooh. A new Colorado resident needs information! Please tell me I don't 
have to coax Basil back over the passes by Vail again...

Keith, now in Grand Junction

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Message: 53
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:27:50 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Fwd: CANCELED! - PALO ALTO BRITISH MEET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Coax, coax coax... 8101 West Ralston Road (58th Ave.) and Ammons St.
Arvada, CO.  500+ vehicles last year, 15-20 series or thereabout. On the
16th is a "ride the rockies" tour with a "Gimmick Rallye". Sunday is the
show and parts swap. 8:30 ish each day. $15 in advance, or $20 on the
day it happens. BTW, I have nothing to do with it, but I do attend.

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> >You can all just come to the Colorado English Motoring Conclave on Sept.
> >15th & 16th instead.
> 
> Ooh ooh. A new Colorado resident needs information! Please tell me I don't
> have to coax Basil back over the passes by Vail again...
> 
> Keith, now in Grand Junction
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Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 54
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:50:01 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Let's get Frank to a Birthday Party so
that he, Dale and Jon H. can ALL don fuzzy suits and dance about the
fire singing "I'm a little Pixie."

jeff

  I'd like to see that!  I think Jon drinks more at the MAR so it might be
fun this year.  Although, I didn't see much of him at the BP this year.

Scooter

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Message: 55
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:52:33 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

;-)  Are they
Limited slip?  I wonder what else I will find on it.

  Jack up the rear of any vehicle, spin one rear wheel clockwise.  If the
other one goes the SAME way, posi.  If they spin opposite of each other,
open diff.  Every LR, RR, Disco has open diff's as far as I've ever
heard/read.

Scott Wickham Jr.
Pgh., Pa.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
'72 SIII
'84 RR

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Message: 56
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] What's hot
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:58:15 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Don't believe the loss of agave had much to do with increase in price of 
gasoline.  Believe it was Local and Federal demands for special ingredients 
like that worm that caused gas prices to go up.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
>...and the price of *any* tequila has gone though the roof.  Supposedly, a
>cold snap in the growing regions of Mexico damaged or destroyed several
>year's worth of agave plants.  Come to think of it, wasn't the same reason
>given for the this year's run-up in gasoline prices?
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Message: 57
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Greasy balls.
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:12:54 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Come to think of it, the colour was about the same as this stuff: 
>http://keith.miata.net/landy/images/offroad_dropoff_basil2.jpg . Hmm.
>
>Keith

Ooooooooo, that looks nice.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 58
Subject: RE: [lro] Greasy balls.
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 01 18:15:27 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>In truth, either will work just fine.  But there are some REAL drawbacks to
>each.  The grease is quite messy to get in the swivels.  Once in it stays
>there, even when you don't want it!  Grease doesn't flow, so in very cold
>temperatures, things are probably not getting lubricated like you might
>like. 

One minor item people keep forgetting is that the grease solution to 
leaky swivel seals was for a vehicle that has CV joints inside the balls. 

Series rigs hage 'U' joints with a passle of little needle bearings that 
need lubercation for long life.

If you swap your 'U' joints for CV joints the solution would probably 
work fine long term.

But I still feel the solution is keeping your swivel balls & seals clean 
then replace them as needed.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 59
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:15:14 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rover offered a LSD or locker in the 60's but the unit apparently was crap.  
Have heard they blew up with very low mileage.  Did know of a 109 that still 
had a working one in it.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:52:33 -0400
>
>
>;-)  Are they
>Limited slip?  I wonder what else I will find on it.
>
>
>   Jack up the rear of any vehicle, spin one rear wheel clockwise.  If the
>other one goes the SAME way, posi.  If they spin opposite of each other,
>open diff.  Every LR, RR, Disco has open diff's as far as I've ever
>heard/read.
>
>Scott Wickham Jr.
>Pgh., Pa.
>Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
>'72 SIII
>'84 RR
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Message: 60
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:34:17 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Parabolics on, but...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

if your shackles are touching, or are even CLOSE to touching your frame at 
regular ride height, there is a serious design flaw with the springs.  as the 
spring compresses, it gets longer, so if the spring is closed to touching the 
frame at ride height, under compreession it will hit the frame and you will 
either run out of travel, or you will start to bend the springs.  bending the 
spring is a very streesful practice to a spring, fatigueing and making the 
metal more brittle.  this may cause the spring to unexpectedly breal.  a VERY 
dangerous thing to happen.  i suggest you contact the manufacturer of the 
springs and talk to them seriously, this is not a safe thing to have on your 
vehicles.

adam

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Message: 61
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:37:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Rear Axle
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/24/01 8:55:21 PM, [email-masked] writes:

>Jack up the rear of any vehicle, spin one rear wheel clockwise.  If the
>
>other one goes the SAME way, posi.  If they spin opposite of each other,
>
>open diff.  Every LR, RR, Disco has open diff's as far as I've ever
>
>heard/read.

JW< but would this go for the detroit locker too? i have one in the rear of 
the range rover and when you do this the wheels still spin opposite.

adam

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Message: 62
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:22:05 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Greasy balls.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>Come to think of it, the colour was about the same as this stuff: 
>>http://keith.miata.net/landy/images/offroad_dropoff_basil2.jpg . Hmm.
>
>Ooooooooo, that looks nice.

Not coming out of a drain plug, it doesn't. Ewww. There's more where that 
came from as well as photos of my trip from Ottawa to Colorado up on 
Basil's website: http://keith.miata.net/landy . I just put the road trip 
photos up. Expect to see some backcountry CO after this weekend!

Keith
------------
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    http://keith.miata.net
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