Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #58 - 55 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Brake Line configuration (Steve Mace)
   2. Re: What the...!?! (Steve Mace)
   3. Disco question? ([email-masked])
   4. All Invited - 8th Annual Southern Appalachian Expedition (Chris Schramm)
   5. Re: Disco question? (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   6. Re: Spray can sand, or any color... (Tackley, John)
   7. The male mind at work.... (Matt Peckham)
   8. Re: Re: Spray can sand, or any color... (David Scheidt)
   9. RE: The male mind at work.... (Simon J. Harding)
  10. Sinking brake pedal - fixed. (S. Vels)
  11. Re: Brake Line configuration (S. Vels)
  12. RE: The male mind at work.... (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  13. RE: The male mind at work.... (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  14. RE: The male mind at work.... (Simon J. Harding)
  15. RE: The male mind at work.... (RON WARD)
  16. Re: The male mind at work.... (John Cranfield)
  17. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Frank Elson)
  18. Re: The male mind at work.... (John Cranfield)
  19. RE: The male mind at work.... (Matt Peckham)
  20. Re: The male mind at work.... (Dick Joltes)
  21. Re: The male mind at work.... (Hope Peter)
  22. RE: The male mind at work.... (Simon J. Harding)
  23. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (CW - Carey Woodings)
  24. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally ([email-masked])
  25. Re: The male mind at work.... (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  26. Re: The male mind at work.... (CW - Carey Woodings)
  27. Re: The male mind at work.... (Hope Peter)
  28. frame bushings... (Jeff Bieler)
  29. Frank, was Mid Atlantic Rally (Bill Adams)
  30. Re: frame bushings... (RON WARD)
  31. Re: Frank, was Mid Atlantic Rally ([email-masked])
  32. Re: Brake Line configuration (William J. Rice)
  33. Re: frame bushings... (Jeff Bieler)
  34. Re: frame bushings... (RON WARD)
  35. Re: Frank, was Mid Atlantic Rally (Bill Adams)
  36. RE: The male mind at work.... (Easton Trevor A)
  37. RE: The male mind at work.... (Keith Tanner)
  38. RE: The male mind at work.... (Easton Trevor A)
  39. RE: Re: Spray can sand (Sergi, Michael)
  40. Re: The male mind at work.... (Larry Smith)
  41. Re: Brake Line configuration (Larry Smith)
  42. Re: frame bushings... (Jeff Bieler)
  43. RE: Brake Line configuration (Simon J. Harding)
  44. RE: The male mind at work.... (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  45. Re: The male mind at work.... (Jim Hall)
  46. Re: frame bushings... (RON WARD)
  47. RE: The male mind at work.... (Easton Trevor A)
  48. transfer box Q (joe mulqueen)
  49. Re: The male mind at work.... (Jim Hall)
  50. Re: The male mind at work.... (Winn Bearden)
  51. steering box o-ring (William J. Rice)
  52. Re: The male mind at work.... (Jean-Leon Morin)
  53. Re: frame bushings... (Hope Peter)
  54. RE: frame bushings... (Perrone Ford)
  55. Re: The male mind at work.... (Paul Oxley)

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Message: 1
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:52:24 +0100
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It's the way mine is (SIII, 1972 LtWt) and it seems to stop okay ;-)

On 20 Aug 2001, at 12:23, Michael Hatton wrote:

> I have one line going directly from the Master Cylinder to the
> rear 3-way junction on the rear diff and another line from the Master
> Cylinder going to a 3-way junction for the front brakes. Is this correct,
> or more appropriately, is this safe?

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt Green
1993 D90 Red
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: [email-masked]
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 0845 458 4559
Intl. Fax. +44 1482 672877
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Message: 2
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:19:20 +0100
Subject: Re: [lro] What the...!?!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Worth checking the capacitor (condensor) when you switch back. I'd been 
running on an electronic setup for 5 years now but a few weeks ago I tried 
switching back to normal setup (switch on the box) and found the capacitor 
was dead causing huge backfires... 

On 20 Aug 2001, at 19:48, Larry Smith wrote:

> 
> Sandy,
> 
> Your electronic ignition has just expired.
> 
> I had almost the same symptoms when my Pertronix puked.
> 
> Try going back to points and see if the truck can be resurrected.

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt Green
1993 D90 Red
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: [email-masked]
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 0845 458 4559
Intl. Fax. +44 1482 672877
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:31:40 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Disco question?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone:

Well the disco waited till it was inspected and tagged then antifreeze started pouring from the back of the motor looks like around the intake to the rear anyone have any thing to suggest

Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Schramm <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] All Invited - 8th Annual Southern Appalachian Expedition
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On the weekend of September 14, 15, 16 the Southern
Land Rover Society will sponser the 8th Annual SAE. 
This year's event will be held in Menlo, GA (between
Atlanta and Chattanooga) on about 2000 acres.  There
are trails at all levels and a parts auction and
raffle.  Sponsors again include all the big names,
from Rovers North all the way to British Pacific.  RN
will be in attendence, along with many other sponsors.
 Go to www.solaros.com for details and the
registration form -- it's only $15.  We're expecting
about 150 land rovers this year, up from about a 100
last year.
Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger
http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

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Message: 5
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Disco question?
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:48:54 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Valley pan gasket or one of the heater/water pump hoses. I just did the
valley pan on my Range Rover - it was a PITA but not a nightmare - took a
weekend.

If you want to talk about what's involved ping me offline - no need to bore
the list with it.

                              ajr

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Message: 6
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:11:46 -0400
Subject: [lro] Re: Spray can sand, or any color...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tower Paint (www.towerpaint.com)
...provide them any paint code and for 10$ a can, + shipping, you can get
custom 16 oz. spray cans with the nice fan spray nozzle.  I've bought a
bunch and always had a perfect match whatever the color or vehicle or year,
and it is much nicer to spray than a standard rattle can.  Highly
recommended.

JT/ric

Marin said:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anyway, I had them make up some cans of Limestone and it was a perfect
match.  I used it on things like the dash, the side steps I added, and so
forth, and so eventually ran out of it.  By then, the Dupont people were no
longer offering this service.

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Message: 7
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:25:40 -0400
Subject: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/

now something like this for out on the trail would be a good idea....

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:32:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Spray can sand, or any color...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Tackley, John wrote:

:
:Tower Paint (www.towerpaint.com)
:...provide them any paint code and for 10$ a can, + shipping, you can get
:custom 16 oz. spray cans with the nice fan spray nozzle.  I've bought a
:bunch and always had a perfect match whatever the color or vehicle or year,
:and it is much nicer to spray than a standard rattle can.  Highly
:recommended.

Many paint shops can put any sort of paint into a can for less than $10 a
can, even with the nifty nozles.  Worth looking around locally.
:
:JT/ric
:
:Marin said:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
:Anyway, I had them make up some cans of Limestone and it was a perfect
:match.  I used it on things like the dash, the side steps I added, and so
:forth, and so eventually ran out of it.  By then, the Dupont people were no
:longer offering this service.
:_______________________________________________
:LRO mailing list
:[email-masked]
:http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
:
:

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Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 9
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:36:52 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A thing of beauty.  Except Guiness is best warmish.  Substitute a nice Mirror Pond Ale (local microbrew), and it would be perfect.

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:40:54 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Sinking brake pedal - fixed.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, got around to fix the bad master cylinder and treat it with at kit of new seals. The seals
were dead easy, whereas the allen nut was at real pain in the a**.
Heat and chisel as per spec!.
Took a nut from the old cylinder in the mobile parts bin in the tub to reassemble.

Pumped the brake pedal after reinstall, no bleeding nescessary. Cylinder took all the air in the
top end of the lines. Good solid pedal again.

Thanks again for advice.

sv/aurens

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:45:59 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Michael Hatton wrote:

> Continuing on my endless endeavour to finish my frame over on my 1972 SIII
> 88", I am redoing all the brake lines and noticed that the setup is
> different frame what is described in the "Green Bible" (Which is actually
> blue?). I have one line going directly from the Master Cylinder to the
> rear 3-way junction on the rear diff and another line from the Master
> Cylinder going to a 3-way junction for the front brakes. Is this correct,
> or more appropriately, is this safe?

If safety is an issue, you can order the safety cut-off junction which will
lead out front and rear. It will cut off the front or rear in case of a leak
(provided it is in good uncorroded condition) and turn on a light on the dash
(if the bulb is intact).

rgds
sv/aurens

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Message: 12
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 01 09:59:39 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>A thing of beauty.

I always knew there was a madness in men's methods that defied all 
attempts at logic.  Rub Goldbarb just HAD to have been a man.

> Except Guiness is best warmish. 

I've always preferred my Ales and stouts at the same temperature as I 
prefer my red wines, about 55 degrees F.

If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to 
keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going 
back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.

I'm finding myself bringing young wines on trips because I have not 
solved the problem of shocking aged wines.

I'm currently relying upon a redwood box with three compartments, each 
lined with foam rubber.

I would like to end up with a capacity for six bottles for longer trips 
(2 redwood boxes?).

The goal is to bring  along one bottle each of: Petite Sirah, Cabernet 
Sauvignon, Merlot, Zinfandel, Southern Rhone Chateauneuf-Du-Pape, Chianti 
Classico Reserva.

The ale seems to do just fine stuffed in a corner in the cupboard under 
the front sink.

ANy of you inventers out there have a workble solution?

TeriAnn Near Santa Cruz, California

My old car: 1960 Land Rover 109 owned since 1978
My new car: 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986
  "Who could ask for anything more"

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Message: 13
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:53:05 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.

Simple - freeze it. Sediments will go nowhere.....'course I ain't vouching
for the condition of the bottle afterwards.

Or, more seriously, store the bottles neck down. The largely-decreased
surface area of the sediment bed will make for a lot less tannins and bits
getting thrown back into the wine. Uncorking may get dodgy, though.

                              aj"Just drink whisky....it's easier to
store"r

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Message: 14
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:49:03 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How about one of those  webbing shopping bags suspended in space inside your
rover with bungee cords running off in about 8-10 directions.  You'd need bump
pads floor and ceiling though, and passengers might find it a little
unnerving.  Otherwise, do like the guys in the french(?) movie Wages of Fear
did, with their trucks full of nitroglycerin driving through South American
jungle:  drive vewwy vewwy slowly.  They only had a fifty percent success
rate, but your stakes are somewhat lower.

I suggest you conduct numerous tests and keep us advised of the results.
Unfortunately, you'll have to drink the wine to obtain meaningful data!

Simon

If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:59:30 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sediments?  Whats the big deal? I never have that problem with my wine-in-a-box.

>>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 01:53PM >>>

If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.

Simple - freeze it. Sediments will go nowhere.....'course I ain't vouching
for the condition of the bottle afterwards.

Or, more seriously, store the bottles neck down. The largely-decreased
surface area of the sediment bed will make for a lot less tannins and bits
getting thrown back into the wine. Uncorking may get dodgy, though.

                              aj"Just drink whisky....it's easier to
store"r
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http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:05:33 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How about a gimbals mounted wine rack with anti vibe mounting?
John and Muddy

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> 
> >A thing of beauty.
> 
> I always knew there was a madness in men's methods that defied all
> attempts at logic.  Rub Goldbarb just HAD to have been a man.
> 
> > Except Guiness is best warmish.
> 
> I've always preferred my Ales and stouts at the same temperature as I
> prefer my red wines, about 55 degrees F.
> 
> If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
> keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
> back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.
> 
> I'm finding myself bringing young wines on trips because I have not
> solved the problem of shocking aged wines.
> 
> I'm currently relying upon a redwood box with three compartments, each
> lined with foam rubber.
> 
> I would like to end up with a capacity for six bottles for longer trips
> (2 redwood boxes?).
> 
> The goal is to bring  along one bottle each of: Petite Sirah, Cabernet
> Sauvignon, Merlot, Zinfandel, Southern Rhone Chateauneuf-Du-Pape, Chianti
> Classico Reserva.
> 
> The ale seems to do just fine stuffed in a corner in the cupboard under
> the front sink.
> 
> ANy of you inventers out there have a workble solution?
> 
> TeriAnn Near Santa Cruz, California
> 
> My old car: 1960 Land Rover 109 owned since 1978
> My new car: 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986
>   "Who could ask for anything more"
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 17
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:19:16 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I look forward to meeting you all there.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Wickham <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally

>
>   The FPLRG folks will be attending.  Myself in the 88", Bill in his 88",
> Mark in the SI (all the way from Pgh. his new name is iron ass), my
> girlfriend Courtney in her RR, Jon, Mr. Miller's beer, and Budzo in his
RR.
> More members too hopefully.  I'm bringing Sherman so I can take as many
> panels off as I
> can to get it down to fighting weight.  Dean Huminsky and I have been
> challenged by fellow club members Mark Love and Lisa Gundlach in the
> Aluminum Man Tri.
> Mark's got that light little SI so I'll have to lighten my truck as much
as
> possible, make it a little easier to winch with the High Lift ;)
>
> Scott Wickham Jr.
> Pgh., Pa.
> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
> '72 SIII
> '84 RR
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:07:31 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A "Brita" wine decanter?
John and Muddy

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> 
> >A thing of beauty.
> 
> I always knew there was a madness in men's methods that defied all
> attempts at logic.  Rub Goldbarb just HAD to have been a man.
> 
> > Except Guiness is best warmish.
> 
> I've always preferred my Ales and stouts at the same temperature as I
> prefer my red wines, about 55 degrees F.
> 
> If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
> keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
> back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.
> 
> I'm finding myself bringing young wines on trips because I have not
> solved the problem of shocking aged wines.
> 
> I'm currently relying upon a redwood box with three compartments, each
> lined with foam rubber.
> 
> I would like to end up with a capacity for six bottles for longer trips
> (2 redwood boxes?).
> 
> The goal is to bring  along one bottle each of: Petite Sirah, Cabernet
> Sauvignon, Merlot, Zinfandel, Southern Rhone Chateauneuf-Du-Pape, Chianti
> Classico Reserva.
> 
> The ale seems to do just fine stuffed in a corner in the cupboard under
> the front sink.
> 
> ANy of you inventers out there have a workble solution?
> 
> TeriAnn Near Santa Cruz, California
> 
> My old car: 1960 Land Rover 109 owned since 1978
> My new car: 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986
>   "Who could ask for anything more"
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 19
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:04:10 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

a 1' by 18" by 18" sealed metal box.  fill with hot water.  add gelatine.
flavorless is fine.  stir.  add ice and your bottles of wine.  Support said
box inside another box, slightly larger, with 4" coils to support it's
weight, and several shock absorbers to limit the bounce.  (those froma Volvo
station wagon hatch should do.)  fill this box with gelatine.  seal and go
offroading.

spend 45 minutes trying to remove bottles of wine from gelatine and boxes.
spend 15 minutes cleaning Jello out of land rover and from skin and clothes.
enjoy a now warm bottle of merlot.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon J. Harding [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:49 PM
To: [email-masked]'
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....

How about one of those  webbing shopping bags suspended in space inside your
rover with bungee cords running off in about 8-10 directions.  You'd need
bump
pads floor and ceiling though, and passengers might find it a little
unnerving.  Otherwise, do like the guys in the french(?) movie Wages of Fear
did, with their trucks full of nitroglycerin driving through South American
jungle:  drive vewwy vewwy slowly.  They only had a fifty percent success
rate, but your stakes are somewhat lower.

I suggest you conduct numerous tests and keep us advised of the results.
Unfortunately, you'll have to drink the wine to obtain meaningful data!

Simon

If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.

[demime 0.98e lite $Revision: 1.8 $ removed an attachment of type
application/ms-tnef]
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:08:47 -0400
From: Dick Joltes <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The other option is to accept the inevitable and decant the wine 
through a sediment trap upon arrival.

In true LR style, an old fuel filter screen would be appropriate.

dj

1974 SIII Lightweight, "Smudger"

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
 
> Simple - freeze it. Sediments will go nowhere.....'course I ain't vouching
> for the condition of the bottle afterwards.
> 
> Or, more seriously, store the bottles neck down. The largely-decreased
> surface area of the sediment bed will make for a lot less tannins and bits
> getting thrown back into the wine. Uncorking may get dodgy, though.
> 
>                               aj"Just drink whisky....it's easier to
> store"r
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 21
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:09:35 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A small portable, selfcontained black hole.  Place the bottle in the center
of it, no gravity, no shaking effect possible on the particles in
suspension.
Pete

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Message: 22
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:05:22 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Use platypus bags and figure out a way to suspend them in your water tank.

-----Original Message-----
From:	John Cranfield [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:08 AM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: [lro] The male mind at work....

A "Brita" wine decanter?
John and Muddy

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> 
> >A thing of beauty.
> 
> I always knew there was a madness in men's methods that defied all
> attempts at logic.  Rub Goldbarb just HAD to have been a man.
> 
> > Except Guiness is best warmish.
> 
> I've always preferred my Ales and stouts at the same temperature as I
> prefer my red wines, about 55 degrees F.
> 
> If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
> keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
> back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.
> 
> I'm finding myself bringing young wines on trips because I have not
> solved the problem of shocking aged wines.
> 
> I'm currently relying upon a redwood box with three compartments, each
> lined with foam rubber.
> 
> I would like to end up with a capacity for six bottles for longer trips
> (2 redwood boxes?).
> 
> The goal is to bring  along one bottle each of: Petite Sirah, Cabernet
> Sauvignon, Merlot, Zinfandel, Southern Rhone Chateauneuf-Du-Pape, Chianti
> Classico Reserva.
> 
> The ale seems to do just fine stuffed in a corner in the cupboard under
> the front sink.
> 
> ANy of you inventers out there have a workble solution?
> 
> TeriAnn Near Santa Cruz, California
> 
> My old car: 1960 Land Rover 109 owned since 1978
> My new car: 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986
>   "Who could ask for anything more"
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
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Message: 23
From: "CW - Carey Woodings" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:30:41 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When is the rally this year???

      ____________
     /____________\     Cheers,   CW
     !     !!     !
     !_____!!_____!
   O !===[[[]]]===! O
    \__ -------- __/
    !..!( )##( )!..!    Carey Woodings           AND NOW
    !  !########!  !    "Nessie the Antique      a 1988
    !  !#O####O#!  !    Monster" Bronze Green    Range Rover
    ================    1962 SIIA SWB SW         Deb's Daily
     !!      ~   !!                                    Driver
     !!  ~~ ~ ~~ !!     1968 SIIA LWB Marshall Bodied
           ~~           Ambulance awaiting restoration

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Message: 24
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:37:16 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/21/01 2:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> I look forward to meeting you all there.
> 
> 

Frank,

Does this mean you'll stop by the campsite if there happens to be a bottle of 
Jameson's on the liftgate for a short chat?

Nate (It would be my pleasure to meet you in person)

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Message: 25
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 01 12:39:40 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just KNEW you guys could come up with some creative replys 8*)

I've been chuckling my way through the replies.

>A small portable, selfcontained black hole.  Place the bottle in the center
>of it, no gravity, no shaking effect possible on the particles in
>suspension.

And I suppose I can store the portable black hole in the ARB locker?

TeriAnn & O'Malley (Born Feb 2001)

  http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/Dogs/Omalley.htm

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Message: 26
From: "CW - Carey Woodings" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:42:06 -0500
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
[ If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.
[ How to keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot
[ from going back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.

Find a surplus "Steady-Cam" as used by movie-makers.  They've been around a 
while, should be some used ones out there.  Mount your wine rack where the 
camera should go.

Anybody remember the first movie filmed with a Steady-Cam?

      ____________
     /____________\     Cheers,   CW
     !     !!     !
     !_____!!_____!
   O !===[[[]]]===! O
    \__ -------- __/
    !..!( )##( )!..!    Carey Woodings           AND NOW
    !  !########!  !    "Nessie the Antique      a 1988
    !  !#O####O#!  !    Monster" Bronze Green    Range Rover
    ================    1962 SIIA SWB SW         Deb's Daily
     !!      ~   !!                                    Driver
     !!  ~~ ~ ~~ !!     1968 SIIA LWB Marshall Bodied
           ~~           Ambulance awaiting restoration

_________________________________________________________________
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Message: 27
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:41:40 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> And I suppose I can store the portable black hole in the ARB locker?
> 
> TeriAnn & O'Malley (Born Feb 2001)

Nope, the ARB 12v fridge
Pete

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:57:08 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] frame bushings...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

OK.  I need some suggestions on frame bushings.

The rears are done and right now the truck looks like a muscle are.  Low
in the front, high in the rear.  The front frame bushings I pulled out
were two pieces.  There were two seperate short bushings in the frame.
The replacement bushings are full length one piece.  I can get the dame
thing in 1/2 way, but unless I want to beat it to death with a sledge
hammer, that's the end of the day.  I am unable to find anything in
grade 8 long enough to use to pull the  bushing through with.  I've
tried every industrial supply and hardware place I can find locally and
no one sells ready rod in grade 8 and no one has 1/2" grade eight bolts
longer the 5".

What's the secret?  And could someone confirm if removing and replacing
frame bushings is the worst job on the Rover?  It's OK to lie.

Jeff & his 1/2 IIa

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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:02:50 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Frank, was Mid Atlantic Rally
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nate, are you trying to turn Frank into one of your customers? I think
his Jameson days are behind him...
-- 
Bill Adams
Motion Graphics/3D Design Director
IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC
[email-masked]
202-205-9638

1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel
1981 Honda GoldWing Standard
1963 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:10:26 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] frame bushings...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff, thought you'd hired out the spring swap job?

>>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 03:57PM >>>

OK.  I need some suggestions on frame bushings.

The rears are done and right now the truck looks like a muscle are.  Low
in the front, high in the rear.  The front frame bushings I pulled out
were two pieces.  There were two seperate short bushings in the frame.
The replacement bushings are full length one piece.  I can get the dame
thing in 1/2 way, but unless I want to beat it to death with a sledge
hammer, that's the end of the day.  I am unable to find anything in
grade 8 long enough to use to pull the  bushing through with.  I've
tried every industrial supply and hardware place I can find locally and
no one sells ready rod in grade 8 and no one has 1/2" grade eight bolts
longer the 5".

What's the secret?  And could someone confirm if removing and replacing
frame bushings is the worst job on the Rover?  It's OK to lie.

Jeff & his 1/2 IIa
_______________________________________________
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[email-masked] 
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Message: 31
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:18:16 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Frank, was Mid Atlantic Rally
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/21/01 4:04:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked] 
writes:

> Nate, are you trying to turn Frank into one of your customers? I think
> his Jameson days are behind him...
> 

Bill,

Are you going to MAR?

Don't follow the establishment press too closely.  Mild EtOH consumption is 
good for cardiovascular system, and helps prevent colon cancer.  It's the 
excessive, Canadian-LR-owner style drinking that can put the big hurt on you.

Just gotta make sure there are no interactions with possible meds.

Nate (I'll have soft drinks available if preferable--There'll be a chair 
there for you too, Bill)

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Message: 32
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:57:17 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> If safety is an issue, you can order the safety cut-off junction 
> which will
> lead out front and rear. It will cut off the front or rear in case 
> of a leak
> (provided it is in good uncorroded condition) and turn on a light on 
> the dash
> (if the bulb is intact).
> 
> rgds
> sv/aurens

Yeah, what are these things called anyway?  I did a teensy bit of
research on this during my frameover (when D. Gomes crafted all new lines
for my system), and it didn't seem like anyone knew what went with
what--is this the shuttle valve?  Or is it called a PDA or something? 
What goes with what lines?  Does it mount in the middle of the rear
circuit and at the 3-way junction of the front circuit?  Not that I'd
dream of changing anything at the moment, but would like to put one of
these in eventually.

bill
109sw

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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:43:58 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] frame bushings...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nah.  They didn't seem very enthusiastic so I said screw it, broke out the
tools, and started up.  The rear is done (except for tightening once I have
driven it around to settle things) and the front is getting there.  I have
one bushing out and the replacement in up to the last 1/8".  After I finish
this one, I get to tackle the passenger side and take her for a spin.

Getting the new bushings in has been harder then removing the old ones!

Jeff

RON WARD wrote:

> Jeff, thought you'd hired out the spring swap job?
>
> >>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 03:57PM >>>
>
> OK.  I need some suggestions on frame bushings.
>
> The rears are done and right now the truck looks like a muscle are.  Low
> in the front, high in the rear.  The front frame bushings I pulled out
> were two pieces.  There were two seperate short bushings in the frame.
> The replacement bushings are full length one piece.  I can get the dame
> thing in 1/2 way, but unless I want to beat it to death with a sledge
> hammer, that's the end of the day.  I am unable to find anything in
> grade 8 long enough to use to pull the  bushing through with.  I've
> tried every industrial supply and hardware place I can find locally and
> no one sells ready rod in grade 8 and no one has 1/2" grade eight bolts
> longer the 5".
>
> What's the secret?  And could someone confirm if removing and replacing
> frame bushings is the worst job on the Rover?  It's OK to lie.
>
> Jeff & his 1/2 IIa
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:51:05 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] frame bushings...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How'd you remove the old ones?  You got the whole thing on jack stands or what??

>>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 04:43PM >>>

Nah.  They didn't seem very enthusiastic so I said screw it, broke out the
tools, and started up.  The rear is done (except for tightening once I have
driven it around to settle things) and the front is getting there.  I have
one bushing out and the replacement in up to the last 1/8".  After I finish
this one, I get to tackle the passenger side and take her for a spin.

Getting the new bushings in has been harder then removing the old ones!

Jeff

RON WARD wrote:

> Jeff, thought you'd hired out the spring swap job?
>
> >>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 03:57PM >>>
>
> OK.  I need some suggestions on frame bushings.
>
> The rears are done and right now the truck looks like a muscle are.  Low
> in the front, high in the rear.  The front frame bushings I pulled out
> were two pieces.  There were two seperate short bushings in the frame.
> The replacement bushings are full length one piece.  I can get the dame
> thing in 1/2 way, but unless I want to beat it to death with a sledge
> hammer, that's the end of the day.  I am unable to find anything in
> grade 8 long enough to use to pull the  bushing through with.  I've
> tried every industrial supply and hardware place I can find locally and
> no one sells ready rod in grade 8 and no one has 1/2" grade eight bolts
> longer the 5".
>
> What's the secret?  And could someone confirm if removing and replacing
> frame bushings is the worst job on the Rover?  It's OK to lie.
>
> Jeff & his 1/2 IIa
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked] 
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro 
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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:01:02 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Frank, was Mid Atlantic Rally
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Depends on how well and how fast the V8 install goes. Working feverishly
on that, will keep you informed. 
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 36
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:56:50 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Simple solution. You require a six bottle centrifuge. At rest the bottles
will hang vertically and be easily available for consumption. When the
vehicle is in motion the bottles are spun, bases out to create an artificial
gravity. the drive could be either electric or by some arrangement driven by
the engine (power steering pump driving small hydraulic motor).

Trevor"Innovative solutions'r'us" Easton

PS be sure to load only even numbers of similarly weighted bottles or device
may vibrate you Rover to death.

> If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to 
> keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going 
> back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.
> 
> I'm finding myself bringing young wines on trips because I have not 
> solved the problem of shocking aged wines.
> 
> I'm currently relying upon a redwood box with three compartments, each 
> lined with foam rubber.
> 
> 
> ANy of you inventers out there have a workble solution?

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Message: 37
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:03:23 -0600
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Pardon me, but the drive mechanism should be off a PTO, should it not?

Keith

At 15:56 8/21/01, you wrote:

>Simple solution. You require a six bottle centrifuge. At rest the bottles
>will hang vertically and be easily available for consumption. When the
>vehicle is in motion the bottles are spun, bases out to create an artificial
>gravity. the drive could be either electric or by some arrangement driven by
>the engine (power steering pump driving small hydraulic motor).
>
>Trevor"Innovative solutions'r'us" Easton
>
>PS be sure to load only even numbers of similarly weighted bottles or device
>may vibrate you Rover to death.

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Message: 38
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:10:27 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

PTO is OK but something direct off engine is better. PTO may be too slow
when rock crawling!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Keith Tanner [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:03 PM
> To:	[email-masked]
> Subject:	RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
> 
> 
> Pardon me, but the drive mechanism should be off a PTO, should it not?
> 
> Keith
> 
> >Simple solution. You require a six bottle centrifuge. 

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Message: 39
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Re: Spray can sand
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:22:33 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rustoleum Antique White is an excellent match.

>Rustoleum Sand but it was a little too dark for my taste.

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Message: 40
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:31:45 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No, No, TeriAnn,

In the best Rube Goldberg tradition (and the NZ beer cooler), you need to
work out a gyroscopically stabilized suspension system, like the Army M-1
Tank has on its gun aiming system.  With the dual axis stabe system, it will
keep the boxes you have at the same orientation and prevent the lees from
going back into suspension in the wine.

May want to look in the Property Disposal web site:
http://www.drms.dla.mil/asset/pubalpa.html  to see if Uncle Sugar is selling
off any spares.

BTW, there have been a couple of 110 Land Rovers listed at the Molesworth UK
site.

Best regards,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 21 August, 2001 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....

>
> >A thing of beauty.
>
> I always knew there was a madness in men's methods that defied all
> attempts at logic.  Rub Goldbarb just HAD to have been a man.
>
> > Except Guiness is best warmish.
>
> I've always preferred my Ales and stouts at the same temperature as I
> prefer my red wines, about 55 degrees F.
>
> If you guys would like an engineering project I have one for you.  How to
> keep the sediments in a bottle of 10+ yr old cab or marlot from going
> back into suspension when offroading in a leafer LR.
>
> I'm finding myself bringing young wines on trips because I have not
> solved the problem of shocking aged wines.
>
> I'm currently relying upon a redwood box with three compartments, each
> lined with foam rubber.
>
> I would like to end up with a capacity for six bottles for longer trips
> (2 redwood boxes?).
>
> The goal is to bring  along one bottle each of: Petite Sirah, Cabernet
> Sauvignon, Merlot, Zinfandel, Southern Rhone Chateauneuf-Du-Pape, Chianti
> Classico Reserva.
>
> The ale seems to do just fine stuffed in a corner in the cupboard under
> the front sink.
>
> ANy of you inventers out there have a workble solution?
>
> TeriAnn Near Santa Cruz, California
>
> My old car: 1960 Land Rover 109 owned since 1978
> My new car: 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986
>   "Who could ask for anything more"
> _______________________________________________
> LRO mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Message: 41
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:37:41 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill,

The shuttle valve seems to be a UK contrivance.  Never seen one on a US spec
truck, but also understand that no SIII 109s were imported under the LRNA
umbrella.  The shuttle valve sits on top of the right frame rail, just in
front of the foot well.  Not a bad idea really, but a PITA if it has been
ignored.  Is a great place for mung, roux, and water to accumulate.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 21 August, 2001 03:57 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration

>
> > If safety is an issue, you can order the safety cut-off junction
> > which will
> > lead out front and rear. It will cut off the front or rear in case
> > of a leak
> > (provided it is in good uncorroded condition) and turn on a light on
> > the dash
> > (if the bulb is intact).
> >
> > rgds
> > sv/aurens
>
> Yeah, what are these things called anyway?  I did a teensy bit of
> research on this during my frameover (when D. Gomes crafted all new lines
> for my system), and it didn't seem like anyone knew what went with
> what--is this the shuttle valve?  Or is it called a PDA or something?
> What goes with what lines?  Does it mount in the middle of the rear
> circuit and at the 3-way junction of the front circuit?  Not that I'd
> dream of changing anything at the moment, but would like to put one of
> these in eventually.
>
> bill
> 109sw
>
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro
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Message: 42
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:41:03 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] frame bushings...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

3 down, 1 to go.  Inner sleeves were easy.  Blow torch until the rubber runs out
and then knock out the inner.  Outer sleeve was a PITA in the rear, but easier up
front.  In the rear, I cut to grooves, folded them in with a chisle, and knocked
them out with a punch.  Up front, with the two shorter bushings, I did the same,
but it went much faster.

Replacing the bushings has been the worst.  They just don't want to go in.  I am
using grade 8 hardware to pull them into place, but it's hard tiring work and it
takes up most of my time.

Right now, I am down to the last one (passenger front) and I have come across
another issue.  The front bolt has fused to the spring bushing.  Ugh!

It looks like someone before you got the truck did some suspension work as the
hardware is not uniform in size or quality.  The spring pack bolt on both front
springs have broken and were fused to the bottom of the axle housing.  That caused
some cursing and kicking, but that's over with now as well.

Anyway, back to work.  Hopefully, someone will post a creative way to get the
bushings in that I can use on the last one.  Back to that fused bolt/bushing!

My wife doesn't know whether to laugh or cry when she comes out to visit me in the
driveway.

Jeff

RON WARD wrote:

> How'd you remove the old ones?  You got the whole thing on jack stands or what??
>
> >>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 04:43PM >>>
>
> Nah.  They didn't seem very enthusiastic so I said screw it, broke out the
> tools, and started up.  The rear is done (except for tightening once I have
> driven it around to settle things) and the front is getting there.  I have
> one bushing out and the replacement in up to the last 1/8".  After I finish
> this one, I get to tackle the passenger side and take her for a spin.
>
> Getting the new bushings in has been harder then removing the old ones!
>
> Jeff
>
> RON WARD wrote:
>
> > Jeff, thought you'd hired out the spring swap job?
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 03:57PM >>>
> >
> > OK.  I need some suggestions on frame bushings.
> >
> > The rears are done and right now the truck looks like a muscle are.  Low
> > in the front, high in the rear.  The front frame bushings I pulled out
> > were two pieces.  There were two seperate short bushings in the frame.
> > The replacement bushings are full length one piece.  I can get the dame
> > thing in 1/2 way, but unless I want to beat it to death with a sledge
> > hammer, that's the end of the day.  I am unable to find anything in
> > grade 8 long enough to use to pull the  bushing through with.  I've
> > tried every industrial supply and hardware place I can find locally and
> > no one sells ready rod in grade 8 and no one has 1/2" grade eight bolts
> > longer the 5".
> >
> > What's the secret?  And could someone confirm if removing and replacing
> > frame bushings is the worst job on the Rover?  It's OK to lie.
> >
> > Jeff & his 1/2 IIa
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Message: 43
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Brake Line configuration
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:58:00 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a SIII 109SW that was imported in about 1990.  I'll take a look and see
if it has this valve.  It was a rebuild on a new frame so it might not, but I
seem to recall it being there.  Anything anyone wants to know about it if it
is there?  If so, let me know.  Simon
[email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From:	Larry Smith [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:38 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration

Bill,

The shuttle valve seems to be a UK contrivance.  Never seen one on a US spec
truck, but also understand that no SIII 109s were imported under the LRNA
umbrella.  The shuttle valve sits on top of the right frame rail, just in
front of the foot well.  Not a bad idea really, but a PITA if it has been
ignored.  Is a great place for mung, roux, and water to accumulate.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 21 August, 2001 03:57 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration

>
> > If safety is an issue, you can order the safety cut-off junction
> > which will
> > lead out front and rear. It will cut off the front or rear in case
> > of a leak
> > (provided it is in good uncorroded condition) and turn on a light on
> > the dash
> > (if the bulb is intact).
> >
> > rgds
> > sv/aurens
>
> Yeah, what are these things called anyway?  I did a teensy bit of
> research on this during my frameover (when D. Gomes crafted all new lines
> for my system), and it didn't seem like anyone knew what went with
> what--is this the shuttle valve?  Or is it called a PDA or something?
> What goes with what lines?  Does it mount in the middle of the rear
> circuit and at the 3-way junction of the front circuit?  Not that I'd
> dream of changing anything at the moment, but would like to put one of
> these in eventually.
>
> bill
> 109sw
>
>
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Message: 44
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:40:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Trevor"Mad scientist" Easton pronounced:

>Simple solution. You require a six bottle centrifuge.

OK - hold it right there. Now, You are going to have to do this in a
vertical orientation - horizontal would be a BIG problem. Given the mass of
the bottles and the RPMs involved to keep the lees in place you are going
to have a serious amount of rotational mass there - and that mesns serious
gyro action.

This could be quite detrimental to the handling of the Green Whale...er
Rover.....8*).

The vertial orientation, however, could be advantageous in a sideslope
condition - the Rover would tend to stay in its orientation if suddenly
nudged sideways.

                        ajr

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Message: 45
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:46:21 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How about spinning each bottle around it's own central axis, that way
you would cut down greatly on the rotational mass, and can have as many
or few bottles as you have room for in the spinner without having to 
worry about balancing problems.

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> 
> Trevor"Mad scientist" Easton pronounced:
> 
> >Simple solution. You require a six bottle centrifuge.
> 
> OK - hold it right there. Now, You are going to have to do this in a
> vertical orientation - horizontal would be a BIG problem. Given the mass of
> the bottles and the RPMs involved to keep the lees in place you are going
> to have a serious amount of rotational mass there - and that mesns serious
> gyro action.
> 
> This could be quite detrimental to the handling of the Green Whale...er
> Rover.....8*).
> 
> The vertial orientation, however, could be advantageous in a sideslope
> condition - the Rover would tend to stay in its orientation if suddenly
> nudged sideways.
> 
>                         ajr
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 46
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:11:00 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] frame bushings...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Now you understand why i never did the springs myself.... :)

>>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 18:43 PM >>>

3 down, 1 to go.  Inner sleeves were easy.  Blow torch until the rubber runs out
and then knock out the inner.  Outer sleeve was a PITA in the rear, but easier up
front.  In the rear, I cut to grooves, folded them in with a chisle, and knocked
them out with a punch.  Up front, with the two shorter bushings, I did the same,
but it went much faster.

Replacing the bushings has been the worst.  They just don't want to go in.  I am
using grade 8 hardware to pull them into place, but it's hard tiring work and it
takes up most of my time.

Right now, I am down to the last one (passenger front) and I have come across
another issue.  The front bolt has fused to the spring bushing.  Ugh!

It looks like someone before you got the truck did some suspension work as the
hardware is not uniform in size or quality.  The spring pack bolt on both front
springs have broken and were fused to the bottom of the axle housing.  That caused
some cursing and kicking, but that's over with now as well.

Anyway, back to work.  Hopefully, someone will post a creative way to get the
bushings in that I can use on the last one.  Back to that fused bolt/bushing!

My wife doesn't know whether to laugh or cry when she comes out to visit me in the
driveway.

Jeff

RON WARD wrote:

> How'd you remove the old ones?  You got the whole thing on jack stands or what??
>
> >>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 04:43PM >>>
>
> Nah.  They didn't seem very enthusiastic so I said screw it, broke out the
> tools, and started up.  The rear is done (except for tightening once I have
> driven it around to settle things) and the front is getting there.  I have
> one bushing out an the replacement in up to the last 1/8".  After I finish
> this one, I get to tackle the passenger side and take her for a spin.
>
> Getting the new bushings in has been harder then removing the old ones!
>
> Jeff
>
> RON WARD wrote:
>
> > Jeff, thought you'd hired out the spring swap job?
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 08/21/01 03:57PM >>>
> >
> > OK.  I need some suggestions on frame bushings.
> >
> > The rears are done and right now the truck looks like a muscle are.  Low
> > in the front, high in the rear.  The front frame bushings I pulled out
> > were two pieces.  There were two seperate short bushings in the frame.
> > The replacement bushings are full length one piece.  I can get the dame
> > thing in 1/2 way, but unless I want to beat it to death with a sledge
> > hammer, that's the end of the day.  I am unable to find anything in
> > grade 8 long enough to use to pull the  bushing through with.  I've
> > tried every industrial supply and hardware place I can find locally and
> > no one sells ready rod in grade 8 and no one has 1/2" grade eight bolts
> > longer the 5".
> >
> > What's the secret?  And could someone confirm if removing and replacing
> > frame bushings is the worst job on the Rover?  It's OK to lie.
> >
> > Jeff & his 1/2 IIa
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
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Message: 47
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'Jim Hall '" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked] '"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:43:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hall
To: [email-masked]
Sent: 8/21/01 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....

How about spinning each bottle around it's own central axis, that way
you would cut down greatly on the rotational mass, and can have as many
or few bottles as you have room for in the spinner without having to 
worry about balancing problems.

The problem there will be the deposition of the sediment around the outer
surfaces of the bottle. Upon stoppin th sdiment will fall towards the bottom
effctively mixing itself with the wine and negating any advantages derived
from the rotation.

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Message: 48
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: joe mulqueen <[email-masked]>
To: LRO <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] transfer box Q
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello,
I have this weird condition where (just after
gear/transferbox bearing replacements) I can't pull
the transfer box Hi/Low lever back into the low range
UNLESS I push and physically hold  the 4 wheel drive
selector down further than it's normal spring loaded
condition.  It did work during a trip a few weeks back
but now it doesn't.
The box or levers were never forced and all the
external linkage is properly in its place.  Has
something failed in the transfer and front wheel drive
controls?

Thanks for any insight on this..

JoeMulqueen
'67 SIIA 109 SW
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Message: 49
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:07:35 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

No, I'm talking about spinning it the long way, the other axis.

Easton Trevor A wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hall
> To: [email-masked]
> Sent: 8/21/01 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
> 
> How about spinning each bottle around it's own central axis, that way
> you would cut down greatly on the rotational mass, and can have as many
> or few bottles as you have room for in the spinner without having to
> worry about balancing problems.
> 
> The problem there will be the deposition of the sediment around the outer
> surfaces of the bottle. Upon stoppin th sdiment will fall towards the bottom
> effctively mixing itself with the wine and negating any advantages derived
> from the rotation.
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 50
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:15:36 -0400
From: Winn Bearden <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

12 pack in a Playmate cooler works for me.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
The goal is to bring  along one bottle each of: Petite Sirah, Cabernet
Sauvignon, Merlot, Zinfandel, Southern Rhone Chateauneuf-Du-Pape, Chianti
Classico Reserva.

--
Winn Bearden          19XX SIIa/SIII/RR 100" Hybrid
P.O. Box 464          1967 NADA 109" SW (in pieces)
Americus, GA 31709    1996 4.0 SE

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Message: 51
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:31:54 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] steering box o-ring
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The green bible doesn't have replacement of this seal listed as a
separate task.  I pulled the drop arm tonight and it sure doesn't look
like I can do anything from that end.

So I'm wondering what's the easiest way to get at this thing with the
steering box in situ?

Pull the wing and take the box apart?

bill

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Message: 52
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:59:27 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn, I second Alan R's idea. Whiskey is much easier to store. And, in
the case of Bruce Fowler's notoriously evil-looking Yukon Jack, it can be
used as paint stripper, starting fluid, campstove fuel...

J-L

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Message: 53
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] frame bushings...
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:45:57 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Now you understand why i never did the springs myself.... :)
>

I just got back in the house from installing a set of parabolics on a local
88.
Once again the OMC Ball Joint Press came in ringers for pressing in and out
the frame bushings.  Took 1 hour to do all 4.  30 minutes for 3, 30 minutes
for the right rear.  Tail pipe was kinda in the way of the Press and this
bushing outer sleeve was pretty worn.
Pete

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Message: 54
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] frame bushings...
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:59:05 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter,

	What is this thing?  Maybe it'll save me money over me buying a shop press.

-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> Of Hope Peter
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:46 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] frame bushings...
>
>
>
> > Now you understand why i never did the springs myself.... :)
> >
>
>
> I just got back in the house from installing a set of parabolics
> on a local
> 88.
> Once again the OMC Ball Joint Press came in ringers for pressing
> in and out
> the frame bushings.  Took 1 hour to do all 4.  30 minutes for 3,
> 30 minutes
> for the right rear.  Tail pipe was kinda in the way of the Press and this
> bushing outer sleeve was pretty worn.
> Pete

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Message: 55
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:41:01 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] The male mind at work....
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Simon J. Harding" wrote:
> 
>  Except Guiness is best warmish. 

Heresy! Warm beer (anything NOT icy cold) is FTD.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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