Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #57 - 34 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Mid Atlantic Rally (Tom Rowe)
   2. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Kirk Hillman)
   3. RE: Old Man Emu shock part #'s (Tackley, John)
   4. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Phil Norris)
   5. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   6. RE: Mid Atlantic Rally (Easton Trevor A)
   7. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Scott Wickham)
   8. What the...!?! (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
   9. Re: What the...!?! (Paul Quin)
  10. Re: What the...!?! (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  11. RE: What the...!?! (Easton Trevor A)
  12. Brake Line configuration (Michael Hatton)
  13. Re: Brake Line configuration (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  14. Re: What the...!?! (Hope Peter)
  15. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Hope Peter)
  16. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Phil Norris)
  17. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (RON WARD)
  18. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Kirk Hillman)
  19. stainless fuel tanks and BP's  zenith "fix" (Simon J. Harding)
  20. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Bryan Hoult)
  21. Tellico (David Murrell)
  22. Re: stainless fuel tanks and BP's  zenith "fix" (William J. Rice)
  23. Re: Mid Atlantic Rally (Hope Peter)
  24. RE: stainless fuel tanks and BP's  zenith "fix" (Simon J. Harding)
  25. Re: stainless fuel tanks and BP's zenith "fix" (Peter Ogilvie)
  26. Transfer case selector problem (C. Marin Faure)
  27. Re: Spray can sand (C. Marin Faure)
  28. Re: What the...!?! (Larry Smith)
  29. Rochester Model B (was zenith float...) (C. Marin Faure)
  30. RE: Mid Atlantic Rally (Easton Trevor A)
  31. Re: What the...!?! (Alex Maiolo)
  32. Was: Mid Atlantic-Now Gluv uv Luv (Alex Maiolo)
  33. It's time to move the server... (Bill Caloccia)
  34. Re: stainless fuel tanks and BP's zenith "fix" (William J. Rice)

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Message: 1
From: "Tom Rowe" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked]"
  <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:21:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'll be driving up from Atlanta for the rally this year, yes, really I will, if anyone south of 
here or along the way wants to convoy.
Right now, I'm planning to leave mid-afternoon Wed. I'll be in my Disco, the Antichirst is 
still suffering from frame cancer, but I'm not a speed demon so have no problem 
traveling with Series vehicles.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
        in places even more inaccessible

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Message: 2
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 06:24:51 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tom wrote:
"... I'm not a speed demon so have no problem
traveling with Series vehicles."

    Tom, you must not be one of us then!  Surely you understand that the
rest of LR owners never go below 60 MPH?  ; )

Kirk

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Message: 3
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Old Man Emu shock part #'s
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:54:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Give Ray Wood a call at Wise Owl/RM...he sells them.
Jeff asked:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was at Rover Accessories today for their open house and met with Marc
Bowers from ARB.  We were talking about what shocks to get for my Series
after I install parabolics.  He commented that their shock part #'s were
for standard leaf springs and that folks were using different shocks
when they went to parabolics, but that he was not sure what part #'s
those were.  Anyone know?
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Message: 4
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:57:07 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm sure this is a really old comment but get a long snorkel and plenty of
WD40 for a rally in the mid-atlantic!!
:-))
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Rowe <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
<[email-masked]>
Date: 20 August 2001 13:23
Subject: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally

>
>I'll be driving up from Atlanta for the rally this year, yes, really I
will, if anyone south of
>here or along the way wants to convoy.
>Right now, I'm planning to leave mid-afternoon Wed. I'll be in my Disco,
the Antichirst is
>still suffering from frame cancer, but I'm not a speed demon so have no
problem
>traveling with Series vehicles.
>
>Tom Rowe
>Atlanta, GA
>
>Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
>        in places even more inaccessible
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Message: 5
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:07:58 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm sure this is a really old comment but get a long snorkel and plenty of
WD40 for a rally in the mid-atlantic!!
:-))
Phil

Naaaahhh...silicone grease on the plug boots - much better for keeping the
water out.....8*)

                              aj"glub....."r

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Message: 6
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:19:47 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

And of course the RACER. That's Rover Automatic Catalytic Exhaust
Rebreather.
For the really deep bits. British Bulldog used to have these.

Trevor"acronyms on sale this week" Easton

> I'm sure this is a really old comment but get a long snorkel and plenty of
> WD40 for a rally in the mid-atlantic!!
> :-))
> Phil
> 
> Naaaahhh...silicone grease on the plug boots - much better for keeping the
> water out.....8*)
> 
>                               aj"glub....."r

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Message: 7
From: "Scott Wickham" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:20:58 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  The FPLRG folks will be attending.  Myself in the 88", Bill in his 88",
Mark in the SI (all the way from Pgh. his new name is iron ass), my
girlfriend Courtney in her RR, Jon, Mr. Miller's beer, and Budzo in his RR.
More members too hopefully.  I'm bringing Sherman so I can take as many
panels off as I
can to get it down to fighting weight.  Dean Huminsky and I have been
challenged by fellow club members Mark Love and Lisa Gundlach in the
Aluminum Man Tri.
Mark's got that light little SI so I'll have to lighten my truck as much as
possible, make it a little easier to winch with the High Lift ;)

Scott Wickham Jr.
Pgh., Pa.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
'72 SIII
'84 RR

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:43:47 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] What the...!?!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Drove the '72 about 450 miles this weekend in order to exercise the low
range a bit.    Good time rock crawling with friends, and the vehilce ran
flawlwssly unitl about 10 miles from home.  Prior to the most critical part
of the journey (the infamous Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel), the engine
'hiccuped' once, but continued to run strong.  On the uphill pull out of
the tunnel, it did it again, let out a *trememdous* backfire (surprised me
and pro'lly scared the s#!+ out of the guy in the next car) and began
losing power and stumbling.  With momentum, an a couple of more monumental
backfires, I was able to coast up and out of the tunnel to a secure
pull-off where the engine promptly dies.  Now this vehicle has never, ever
backfired in the 30 years I've been driving it.  Even stranger, it starts
right up and idles sweetly, as if nothing has happened.  If I had points, I
would suspect them, but I've been 'electronic' for the second half the
Rover's life so far.  Engine ran fine the remainder of the way, though I
took surface streets rather than the super-slab....

Probably not temperature-related, as it was a benign 80F and the engine was
running cool.  Perchance funkus in the carb, but then I'll never be able to
prove it, 'cause it fixed itself.  There's an in-line, glass micro-filter
just prior to the carb, so not much crap can get by.  Sediment bowl doesn't
show any water/debris. (Cleaned just prior to the trip.)  Don't
know...sometimes the Rover acts up just to keep you honest.

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
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Message: 9
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What the...!?!
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:47:20 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A few month ago I had the exact same symptoms.  Turned out that the choke
cable had swung over and was intermittently shorting out the coil +
terminal.

Regards,

Paul in Victoria.

----- Original Message -----
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>

>
> Probably not temperature-related, as it was a benign 80F and the engine
was
> running cool.  Perchance funkus in the carb, but then I'll never be able
to
> prove it, 'cause it fixed itself.  There's an in-line, glass micro-filter
> just prior to the carb, so not much crap can get by.  Sediment bowl
doesn't
> show any water/debris. (Cleaned just prior to the trip.)  Don't
> know...sometimes the Rover acts up just to keep you honest.

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Message: 10
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What the...!?!
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:48:44 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sandy, keep a set of points and a condenser in the truck - personal opinion
is that your electronic ignition is showing its age.

                              ajr

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Message: 11
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] What the...!?!
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:50:52 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sounds like just the way the Rangie behaved with a flaky electrical
connection in the ignition circuit. She would cough and recover or fade
completely only to restart normally and run for days without a problem.
Try waggling some wires

> Even stranger, it starts
> right up and idles sweetly, as if nothing has happened.  If I had points,
> I
> would suspect them, but I've been 'electronic' for the second half the
> Rover's life so far.  Engine ran fine the remainder of the way, though I
> took surface streets rather than the super-slab....

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:23:20 -0400
From: Michael Hatton <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Brake Line configuration
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Continuing on my endless endeavour to finish my frame over on my 1972 SIII
88", I am redoing all the brake lines and noticed that the setup is
different frame what is described in the "Green Bible" (Which is actually
blue?). I have one line going directly from the Master Cylinder to the
rear 3-way junction on the rear diff and another line from the Master
Cylinder going to a 3-way junction for the front brakes. Is this correct,
or more appropriately, is this safe?

Michael Hatton
"desperately waiting for his galvanized bulkhead"

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [lro] Brake Line configuration
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 01 10:53:20 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Continuing on my endless endeavour to finish my frame over on my 1972 SIII
>88", I am redoing all the brake lines and noticed that the setup is
>different frame what is described in the "Green Bible" (Which is actually
>blue?).

Mine are white.  But I understand the green ones are current printings 
for II & IIA and the blue one is for III.  My white ones are an older 
printing of the II & IIA manuals.

> I have one line going directly from the Master Cylinder to the
>rear 3-way junction on the rear diff and another line from the Master
>Cylinder going to a 3-way junction for the front brakes. Is this correct,

This is correct for A North American Spec series III 88 and incorrect for 
a series III 109.  It could be you are looking at a 109 diagram or non 
North American brake line spec.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

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Message: 14
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What the...!?!
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:52:24 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> 'hiccuped' once, but continued to run strong.  On the uphill pull out of
> the tunnel, it did it again, let out a *trememdous* backfire (surprised me
> and pro'lly scared the s#!+ out of the guy in the next car) and began
> losing power and stumbling.

Sandy,
sounds like the HRBT ghost to me.  If it had been 6-7am on a weekday it
would have grabbed you closer to the center of the tunnel.
Pete

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Message: 15
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:32:22 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Naaaahhh...silicone grease on the plug boots - much better for keeping the
> water out.....8*)
>

Add to this a rubber kitchen dishwashing glove.  Cut the ends of the
fingertips.  Thread a wire through each finger.  High tension lead, leads to
the coil and vacume can all go out the thumb.  A bit of sillycone and secure
with a small ziptie.  Slip the wrist of the glove down to the base of the
dizzy.  Sillycone and another ziptie.  Bobs yer uncle.
Pete

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Message: 16
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:08:38 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've got to now find an 8-fingered person, and nick their washing up glove??
Maybe 2-per-finger on an ordinary pair??
<VVBG!!>
Brgds
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Peter <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 20 August 2001 19:40
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally

>
>> Naaaahhh...silicone grease on the plug boots - much better for keeping
the
>> water out.....8*)
>>
>
>Add to this a rubber kitchen dishwashing glove.  Cut the ends of the
>fingertips.  Thread a wire through each finger.  High tension lead, leads
to
>the coil and vacume can all go out the thumb.  A bit of sillycone and
secure
>with a small ziptie.  Slip the wrist of the glove down to the base of the
>dizzy.  Sillycone and another ziptie.  Bobs yer uncle.
>Pete
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:00:01 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've heard of a six-fingered Spaniard who killed the father of Inigo Montoya, prepare to die.

>>> [email-masked] 08/20/01 04:08PM >>>

I've got to now find an 8-fingered person, and nick their washing up glove??
Maybe 2-per-finger on an ordinary pair??
<VVBG!!>
Brgds
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Peter <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 20 August 2001 19:40
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally

>
>> Naaaahhh...silicone grease on the plug boots - much better for keeping
the
>> water out.....8*)
>>
>
>Add to this a rubber kitchen dishwashing glove.  Cut the ends of the
>fingertips.  Thread a wire through each finger.  High tension lead, leads
to
>the coil and vacume can all go out the thumb.  A bit of sillycone and
secure
>with a small ziptie.  Slip the wrist of the glove down to the base of the
>dizzy.  Sillycone and another ziptie.  Bobs yer uncle.
>Pete
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Message: 18
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:01:52 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ron wrote:
"I've heard of a six-fingered Spaniard who killed the father of Inigo
Montoya, prepare to die."

In a soft masculine voice, 'As you wish...'

Kirk

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Message: 19
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:10:24 -0700
Subject: [lro] stainless fuel tanks and BP's  zenith "fix"
Reply-To: [email-masked]

	My 109SW petrol tank has some weeping at the seams, and one or two other places.  In looking at replacing it I came across foroverforever.com which advertises a stainless steel tank for USD 565.  Has anyone on list received one of this fellow's tanks?  The quality looks good in the images on the site and I recall hearing good things about the products from this person, but can't recall if that involved a fuel tank or not.  Is 14 ga.  the same or close to the genuine LR tanks?  (I think I have a nongenuine tank presently).  Given the amount of support a SW tank receives is it silly to wonder about the brittleness of stainless steel?

My zenith carb, which I posted about a week or so ago is now running great.  I replaced the O ring and gasket and plugged a vacuum port shown on the BP site as the one to block  in lieu of planing the carb halves.  The diagram BP shows is not accuarate in my case.  It shows the larger of two ports at that location as the one to plug.  In my instance, that was wrong.  On my carb, that port has a counterpart in the top half of the carb and should not be blocked.  Rather, a smaller port, shown in the diagram, is the one to block, and it has no counterpart in the top half of the carburetor.  I blocked it with a small bit of O ring and all is well with the world carb wise.  Thankfully, I was able to stop short of taking the carb out back with a 12 gauge and putting it out of my misery.

Simon

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Message: 20
Date: 20 Aug 2001 15:21:53 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Reply-To: [email-masked]

inconceivable!

On Mon, 20 August 2001, "Kirk Hillman" wrote:

> 
> 
> Ron wrote:
> "I've heard of a six-fingered Spaniard who killed the father of Inigo
> Montoya, prepare to die."
> 
> In a soft masculine voice, 'As you wish...'
> 
> Kirk
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Message: 21
From: "David Murrell" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:39:35 -0700
Subject: [lro] Tellico
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've posted a few pictures from the SOLAROS (www.solaros.com) trip up to
Tellico this past weekend at:

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1768525&a=13657491&f=0

Dave

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Message: 22
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:19:42 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] stainless fuel tanks and BP's  zenith "fix"
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I got a stainless SW tank from DAP about a year ago and it's quite
nice--I have no idea what guage it is.  It was heavier than my crappy
aftermarket one (lasted a whopping 3 years) but lighter than the stock
tank, maybe only because it's only one layer on the bottom or maybe
because it's not lead-lined, as I think the original ones were.  No
complaints thus far. 

Price was about the same--actually that reminds me of a complaint--they
quoted me one price, I said yes, and then they went into some song and
dance about their supplier raising his price.  I said fine and paid the
extra $$ (maybe 50 extra) but that's pretty poor business practice--I say
quote a price and stick w/ the price--if you screwed up your quote you'll
be more careful next time.

Incidentally, I showed the tank to my then-local welder who did nice work
and he said it'd have cost about what I paid to have him make it (and his
prices were quite reasonable) so I don't feel ripped-off at all.

bill

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:10:24 -0700 "Simon J. Harding"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
>         My 109SW petrol tank has some weeping at the seams, and one 
> or two other places.  In looking at replacing it I came across 
> foroverforever.com which advertises a stainless steel tank for USD 
> 565.  Has anyone on list received one of this fellow's tanks?  The 
> quality looks good in the images on the site and I recall hearing 
> good things about the products from this person, but can't recall if 
> that involved a fuel tank or not.  Is 14 ga.  the same or close to 
> the genuine LR tanks?  (I think I have a nongenuine tank presently). 
>  Given the amount of support a SW tank receives is it silly to 
> wonder about the brittleness of stainless steel?
> 
> My zenith carb, which I posted about a week or so ago is now running 
> great.  I replaced the O ring and gasket and plugged a vacuum port 
> shown on the BP site as the one to block  in lieu of planing the 
> carb halves.  The diagram BP shows is not accuarate in my case.  It 
> shows the larger of two ports at that location as the one to plug.  
> In my instance, that was wrong.  On my carb, that port has a 
> counterpart in the top half of the carb and should not be blocked.  
> Rather, a smaller port, shown in the diagram, is the one to block, 
> and it has no counterpart in the top half of the carburetor.  I 
> blocked it with a small bit of O ring and all is well with the world 
> carb wise.  Thankfully, I was able to stop short of taking the carb 
> out back with a 12 gauge and putting it out of my misery.
> 
> Simon
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Message: 23
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:52:28 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I've got to now find an 8-fingered person, and nick their washing up
glove??
> Maybe 2-per-finger on an ordinary pair??
> <VVBG!!>
> Brgds
> Phil

Yeah, I have seen v-8s done with 2 per finger.  Find some gloves for the fat
fingered set and you should be all set.
:-)

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Message: 24
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] stainless fuel tanks and BP's  zenith "fix"
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:51:20 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 Bill, That last bit about local versus mail order price being similar was
part of what I wanted to hear.... I'm considering getting an estimate for a
custom tank made out of mild steel, together with a low profile aux tank for
under the passenger seat (don't like the way the stock tanks hang down), both
with thicker bottom plates.  Has anyone had a SW tank made?  If the price is
the same/similar I may go that route to have the extra thick bottom I could
get with a custom tank.  The environment here is so benign salt wise, SS seems
a little bit of overkill for a fuel tank, but I may yet go that route.  Thanks
for the info.

Simon

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Message: 25
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] stainless fuel tanks and BP's zenith "fix"
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:06:29 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Stainless isn't brittle, it just work hardens very easily and then cracks.  
As used in a tank, it's not in a position where it would be flexed so 
wouldn't work harden.  Of course, if you rock crawl and habitually hang the 
tank up on boulders, its a different story.

My doubts about stainless for tanks is its tendency to develop pin hole 
corrosion, at least when used in diesel boat tanks.  Don't know if they last 
any longer than mild steel but would hope they would for the cost 
differential.

Personally, I'd like to see a tank made out of aluminum.  It would have to 
be heavy gauge to resist bending but should last forever.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: [lro] stainless fuel tanks and BP's  zenith "fix"
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:10:24 -0700
>
>
>	My 109SW petrol tank has some weeping at the seams, and one or two other 
>places.  In looking at replacing it I came across foroverforever.com which 
>advertises a stainless steel tank for USD 565.  Has anyone on list received 
>one of this fellow's tanks?  The quality looks good in the images on the 
>site and I recall hearing good things about the products from this person, 
>but can't recall if that involved a fuel tank or not.  Is 14 ga.  the same 
>or close to the genuine LR tanks?  (I think I have a nongenuine tank 
>presently).  Given the amount of support a SW tank receives is it silly to 
>wonder about the brittleness of stainless steel?
>
>My zenith carb, which I posted about a week or so ago is now running great. 
>  I replaced the O ring and gasket and plugged a vacuum port shown on the 
>BP site as the one to block  in lieu of planing the carb halves.  The 
>diagram BP shows is not accuarate in my case.  It shows the larger of two 
>ports at that location as the one to plug.  In my instance, that was wrong. 
>  On my carb, that port has a counterpart in the top half of the carb and 
>should not be blocked.  Rather, a smaller port, shown in the diagram, is 
>the one to block, and it has no counterpart in the top half of the 
>carburetor.  I blocked it with a small bit of O ring and all is well with 
>the world carb wise.  Thankfully, I was able to stop short of taking the 
>carb out back with a 12 gauge and putting it out of my misery.
>
>Simon
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:23:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: [email-masked]
From: "C. Marin Faure" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Transfer case selector problem
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: DaveB <[email-masked]>

Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> Also, the transfer case selector regularly jumps out of low.

>you might need to replace one or both of the output gears. big job...
try the spring first.

A trick to get stronger spring pressure on the high-low transfer case
lever is to put some washers on above the detents spring.  Also, the rubber
boot around the shift lever can put enough forward pressure on the lever to
pull it out of low.  I recall you said you checked this, and of course an
obvious test is to run the vehicle without the boot to see if the lever still
jumps out.  I had the same problem with my SIII after I took delivery of
the vehicle.  I called the west coast Land Rover rep, and he sent me a
replacement boot.  I installed it, and also put a few washers in above the
detent spring, and it stopped jumping out of gear.  Whether it was the boot
that was the problem or if it needed stronger pressure on the detent spring
I'm afraid I have no idea.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
To: [email-masked]
From: "C. Marin Faure" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Re: Spray can sand
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "kyle vandyke" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Spray can sand?
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:56:02
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>Does anyone know if there is a spray can approximation of the >Rover
sand color? Rust O leum? Krylon?

>I used Rustoleum Almond, gives a nice light sand color.  They have a
rustoleum Sand but it was a little too dark for my taste.

My SIII was painted all-Limestone at the factory, and it still has its
original paint, although I'm not going to claim it doesn't need a paint
job.  At one time back in Hawaii, the local Dupont dealer/distributor would
make up
a case (6) of professional-quality spray cans with any custom color you
wanted if you gave them a sample.  They were professional in that they had
terrific spray nozzles that put out a vertical fan of paint and wouldn't
clog.  We used the company to make paint for our Cessna aircraft, as it was
a hell of a lot cheaper than buying paint through Cessna.

Anyway, I had them make up some cans of Limestone and it was a perfect
match.  I used it on things like the dash, the side steps I added, and so
forth, and so eventually ran out of it.  By then, the Dupont people were no
longer offering this service.

I have used Rustoleum Almond in more recent years, and while it is better
than nothing, it is definitely darker than Limestone.  Used on wheels,
which are a bit removed from the body panels, it's hard to notice the
difference.  Whenever I get around to having my wheels sandblasted
(probably the year 2010 at the rate I'm going), I'll use the almond and it
will certainly be acceptable.  But if you're looking for a touch-up paint
for Limestone, or you want to repaint a body panel, I know from experience
that Rustoleum almond is definitely a bit darker, and you'll see the
difference if you put the two side-by-side.  But it's probably as close to
Limestone as you'll get in a readily-available, off-the-shelf spray paint.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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Message: 28
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What the...!?!
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:48:47 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sandy,

Your electronic ignition has just expired.

I had almost the same symptoms when my Pertronix puked.

Try going back to points and see if the truck can be resurrected.

Best regards,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 20 August, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: [lro] What the...!?!

>
> Drove the '72 about 450 miles this weekend in order to exercise the low
> range a bit.    Good time rock crawling with friends, and the vehilce ran
> flawlwssly unitl about 10 miles from home.  Prior to the most critical
part
> of the journey (the infamous Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel), the engine
> 'hiccuped' once, but continued to run strong.  On the uphill pull out of
> the tunnel, it did it again, let out a *trememdous* backfire (surprised me
> and pro'lly scared the s#!+ out of the guy in the next car) and began
> losing power and stumbling.  With momentum, an a couple of more monumental
> backfires, I was able to coast up and out of the tunnel to a secure
> pull-off where the engine promptly dies.  Now this vehicle has never, ever
> backfired in the 30 years I've been driving it.  Even stranger, it starts
> right up and idles sweetly, as if nothing has happened.  If I had points,
I
> would suspect them, but I've been 'electronic' for the second half the
> Rover's life so far.  Engine ran fine the remainder of the way, though I
> took surface streets rather than the super-slab....
>
> Probably not temperature-related, as it was a benign 80F and the engine
was
> running cool.  Perchance funkus in the carb, but then I'll never be able
to
> prove it, 'cause it fixed itself.  There's an in-line, glass micro-filter
> just prior to the carb, so not much crap can get by.  Sediment bowl
doesn't
> show any water/debris. (Cleaned just prior to the trip.)  Don't
> know...sometimes the Rover acts up just to keep you honest.
>
> Cheers
>
> *-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
> |                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
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> |     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: [email-masked]
From: "C. Marin Faure" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Rochester Model B (was zenith float...)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:08:56 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: zenith float and annealing
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The replacement was a Model B Rochester.

If the Model B is the so-called "tallow-pot" Rochester, the
very basic carburetor that was used on, among other things,
Chevy trucks ages ago, the conversion kit for the Land Rover has
been around since at least the early 1970s.  I bought a Rochester conversion
kit from the original Northern California Atlantic British back in the
mid-'70s.  I installed it in 1978, and while I initially thought it was an
improvement, I eventually went back to the Zenith.  The tallow-pot
Rochester is an impressively simple carburetor, which is good, and it
gives a modicum of increased power, which is also good.  And it completely
eliminates the Zenith fuel-overload problem at idle, which is extremely
good and is why I made the switch in the first place.

But the fuel consumption goes up noticeably, and you have to cut down the
air-intake elbow so the thing will clear the underside of the hood, which
results in a somewhat insecure attachment between the elbow and the top of
the carburetor throat.  I had it vibrate off on several occasions.  But the
most important issue is there may be something about the tallow-pot
Rochester's fuel-air mixture that the 2.25's exaust valves don't like.

About a year after I installed the Rochester, the exhaust valves on
cylinders 2 and 3 burned quite badly.  Fortunately, my trusty manifold
pressure gauge told me immediately what was going on, and I pulled the head
and had it overhauled before any damage was done to the machined-in valve
seats.

Now I'd put about 125,000 miles on the vehicle by this point, and it's very
easy to assume the valves were due to burn anyway.  It's been my
observation that exhaust valves on the 2.25 engine tend to have problems at
this mileage or sooner, often with as little as 80,000 miles on the engine.
And I'm not saying this wasn't the case on my vehicle.  It may have simply
been "time to burn" for those valves.  (The valves on cylinders 1 and 4
looked fine.)

But I subsequently heard from a few people with LOTS of Land Rover
experience dating from the 1960s, in one case the fellow running the old
Atlantic British (no connection, I believe to the current Atlantic
British), and who sold Rochester conversions, including mine, that a number
of people who converted to tallow-pot Rochesters in the '70s experienced
valve-burn problems within a year or so of installing the Rochester,
regardless of the miles on their engines.  No one knew why this was, only
that it was a phenomenon reported by a number of owners.

There's no telling if this is total coincidence, or if there really is
something about the mixture that makes it burn hotter in the cylinders.  I
don't recall any change in coolant temperature after I switched to the
Rochester, but the 2.25 is so over-cooled that it would probably take a
nuclear explosion in the cylinders to cause much of a rise in overall
engine temperature.  The only times in 28 years the temperature gauge of my
engine has gone much over the mid-point are the couple of times a radiator
hose has sprung a leak while driving and dumped most of the coolant
overboard.

Anyway, I am now quite wary of the tallow-pot Rochester, and as my current
Zenith has been relatively trouble-free since installing it back in the
early '80s sometime, I have had no incentive to reinvestigate the
Rochester, even though it's still sitting on a shelf in the garage.

If the Model B Rochester is NOT the "tallow-pot" carburetor, then all this
has been a perhaps amusing but otherwise worthless commentary.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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Message: 30
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'Bryan Hoult '" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked] '"
  <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:00:53 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Impregnable???

inconceivable!

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Message: 31
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] What the...!?!
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:04:36 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

While driving my first 88 home one day it let out a HUGE backfire. It made
my ears ring!
I pulled over and looked under the bonnet, and things looked OK, so I
started her up and realized what had happened.
My muffler looked like someone had slit it with a knife and spread it
apart - totally split down the seam. Looked at the ignition again and
noticed the points were hosed. I adjusted them with a matchbook and had the
noisiest ride of my life home I'd ever had.
Strangely, Meineke had a round tube looking muffler that was a dead ringer
for the LR model, so I put it on for $40. I would have used original, but it
was the week before MidAt, and I wanted to drive her up.

I did, however, have a Pertronix kit shipped overnight :)

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: [lro] What the...!?!

>
> Drove the '72 about 450 miles this weekend in order to exercise the low
> range a bit.    Good time rock crawling with friends, and the vehilce ran
> flawlwssly unitl about 10 miles from home.  Prior to the most critical
part
> of the journey (the infamous Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel), the engine
> 'hiccuped' once, but continued to run strong.  On the uphill pull out of
> the tunnel, it did it again, let out a *trememdous* backfire (surprised me
> and pro'lly scared the s#!+ out of the guy in the next car) and began
> losing power and stumbling.  With momentum, an a couple of more monumental
> backfires, I was able to coast up and out of the tunnel to a secure
> pull-off where the engine promptly dies.  Now this vehicle has never, ever
> backfired in the 30 years I've been driving it.  Even stranger, it starts
> right up and idles sweetly, as if nothing has happened.  If I had points,
I
> would suspect them, but I've been 'electronic' for the second half the
> Rover's life so far.  Engine ran fine the remainder of the way, though I
> took surface streets rather than the super-slab....
>
> Probably not temperature-related, as it was a benign 80F and the engine
was
> running cool.  Perchance funkus in the carb, but then I'll never be able
to
> prove it, 'cause it fixed itself.  There's an in-line, glass micro-filter
> just prior to the carb, so not much crap can get by.  Sediment bowl
doesn't
> show any water/debris. (Cleaned just prior to the trip.)  Don't
> know...sometimes the Rover acts up just to keep you honest.
>
> Cheers
>
> *-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
> |                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
> |    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
> |     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
> |     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 32
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:09:37 -0400
Subject: [lro] Was: Mid Atlantic-Now Gluv uv Luv
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Maybe 2-per-finger on an ordinary pair??

Two leads per glove works great. Did that on my first RR. Make sure to use
plenty of Silicone and let it partially set before you yank the ziptie
taught.
I used a furniture refinisher's glove - much thicker and obviously oil
resistant.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally

>
> I've got to now find an 8-fingered person, and nick their washing up
glove??
> Maybe 2-per-finger on an ordinary pair??
> <VVBG!!>
> Brgds
> Phil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hope Peter <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Date: 20 August 2001 19:40
> Subject: Re: [lro] Mid Atlantic Rally
>
>
> >
> >> Naaaahhh...silicone grease on the plug boots - much better for keeping
> the
> >> water out.....8*)
> >>
> >
> >Add to this a rubber kitchen dishwashing glove.  Cut the ends of the
> >fingertips.  Thread a wire through each finger.  High tension lead, leads
> to
> >the coil and vacume can all go out the thumb.  A bit of sillycone and
> secure
> >with a small ziptie.  Slip the wrist of the glove down to the base of the
> >dizzy.  Sillycone and another ziptie.  Bobs yer uncle.
> >Pete
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:40:39 -0400
From: Bill Caloccia <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
To: [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] It's time to move the server...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi,
	The co-location facility where the land-rover.team.net server
is located announced they were going into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy
proceedings about two weeks ago. Our host Amaranth Networks, has
made arrangements to move to new facilities, which for us, should
occur Tuesday Afternoon.  We'll be going in Tuesday morning
(U.S. Eastern time) to set up a router and switch and verify
connectivity, etc.  If all is well, this server should be moved
in the afternoon, with approximately an hour outage.

	During the period that it takes to drive the server from one
place to the next, mail won't be accepted -- no big deal, the mail
will be queued and should start flowing right after the move.
	(You may have noticed I was testing that functionality this
	 past weekend :-)

The web server, will, of course, be unavailable during that period.
The DNS server has been de-tuned in preparation for the move, so
unless you've got an ISP with a evil caching server, by the time
the new server is turned on, the address change will have propagated.

Cheers,
Bill Caloccia                         sensei at koan.team.net
aka mailman at koan.team.net

PS  For our friends outside that states, ch.11 is where the
company tells creditors to piss off while it tries to make
another go of it with the money they aren't paying their
previous suppliers...

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Message: 34
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:09:22 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] stainless fuel tanks and BP's zenith "fix"
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter said:
> any longer than mild steel but would hope they would for the cost 
> differential.

Actually, there's not much cost differential for a SW tank.  The genuine
tanks (the only thing I'd consider using after my bad experience w/ an
aftermarket one) are $570 from RN.  I reckon you could order a genuine
one from England for less, but the cost diffo. domestically for stainless
vs. genuine ain't even there.

bill

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