Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #51 - 8 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. IIA tranny problems (Jean-Leon Morin)
   2. Re: IIA tranny problems (Jim Hall)
   3. Re: Help with Local LR Resources (Jean-Leon Morin)
   4. Re: IIA tranny problems (Jean-Leon Morin)
   5. Re: South Georgia Boys (Winn Bearden)
   6. Vincent Black Shadow (was Was that you...) (Faure, Marin)
   7. Re: Vincent Black Shadow (was Was that you...) (Jeff Bieler)
   8. Re: Howling 109 SIII ([email-masked])

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Message: 1
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:44:24 -0400
Subject: [lro] IIA tranny problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello list,

I have been working on a particularly nice 88 IIA, trying to get it back on
the road for its owner. Many small things have been addressed, but one thing
remains - The transmission.

This is one area of the Land-Rover with which I am unfamiliar. The
transmission appears to be worn, but not completely shot. One thing is amiss
however, as it is impossible to shift it into 3rd or 4th. The lever will
move ths shifter fork a little bit, and you can "feel" things start to move
in the tranny, as pressing on the shifter hard will get you a faint grinding
noise.

I took the top cover off today, and felt around in there. I can move the 3rd
and 4th gear selector piece inside the transmission, with shift forks
removed, quite easily. It seemed to be cocked, but a little bit of
screwdriver pushing, and it was free. Reassembling yielded a smooth shifting
transmission, but as soon as I started it up, it got the same way. Will go
1st and 2nd, no problem, but, 3rd and 4th, no go.

Is this a common problem with the IIA transmission? I've never heard of it,
but, I'm a definite newbie. Anything to check for?

thanks,

J-L

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:42:56 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] IIA tranny problems
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sounds like a broken spring in the synchro. Can be replaced in-situ
with hemostats I believe.

Jean-Leon Morin wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I have been working on a particularly nice 88 IIA, trying to get it back on
> the road for its owner. Many small things have been addressed, but one thing
> remains - The transmission.
> 
> This is one area of the Land-Rover with which I am unfamiliar. The
> transmission appears to be worn, but not completely shot. One thing is amiss
> however, as it is impossible to shift it into 3rd or 4th. The lever will
> move ths shifter fork a little bit, and you can "feel" things start to move
> in the tranny, as pressing on the shifter hard will get you a faint grinding
> noise.
> 
> I took the top cover off today, and felt around in there. I can move the 3rd
> and 4th gear selector piece inside the transmission, with shift forks
> removed, quite easily. It seemed to be cocked, but a little bit of
> screwdriver pushing, and it was free. Reassembling yielded a smooth shifting
> transmission, but as soon as I started it up, it got the same way. Will go
> 1st and 2nd, no problem, but, 3rd and 4th, no go.
> 
> Is this a common problem with the IIA transmission? I've never heard of it,
> but, I'm a definite newbie. Anything to check for?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> J-L
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-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 3
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:52:33 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Uhhh. Bruce Fowler, got your ears on?

I don't know if Bruce is in southern Maine, but driving down from Canada in
the middle of the night, sure seemed that way...

Bruce, I'm sure you could recommend a shop that could swap a diff...

J-L

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Message: 4
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] IIA tranny problems
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:14:08 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Broken spring? Kind of like a flat plate-ish piece of steel, inside the
synchro cage?

I thought I saw something in there, but it's hard to see when you don't know
what you are looking for...

Thanks!

J-L
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hall <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] IIA tranny problems

>
> Sounds like a broken spring in the synchro. Can be replaced in-situ
> with hemostats I believe.
>
> Jean-Leon Morin wrote:
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I have been working on a particularly nice 88 IIA, trying to get it back
on
> > the road for its owner. Many small things have been addressed, but one
thing
> > remains - The transmission.
> >
> > This is one area of the Land-Rover with which I am unfamiliar. The
> > transmission appears to be worn, but not completely shot. One thing is
amiss
> > however, as it is impossible to shift it into 3rd or 4th. The lever will
> > move ths shifter fork a little bit, and you can "feel" things start to
move
> > in the tranny, as pressing on the shifter hard will get you a faint
grinding
> > noise.
> >
> > I took the top cover off today, and felt around in there. I can move the
3rd
> > and 4th gear selector piece inside the transmission, with shift forks
> > removed, quite easily. It seemed to be cocked, but a little bit of
> > screwdriver pushing, and it was free. Reassembling yielded a smooth
shifting
> > transmission, but as soon as I started it up, it got the same way. Will
go
> > 1st and 2nd, no problem, but, 3rd and 4th, no go.
> >
> > Is this a common problem with the IIA transmission? I've never heard of
it,
> > but, I'm a definite newbie. Anything to check for?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > J-L
> > _______________________________________________
> > LRO mailing list
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>
> --
> Jim Hall
> 1966 88" Elephant Chaser
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
> "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
> with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:11:43 -0400
From: Winn Bearden <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] South Georgia Boys
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I saw him today as a matter of fact.  He helped me adjust the valves on
my 200 TDi.  (229)386-8498

Perrone Ford wrote:

> Any of you guys from S. Ga, got the new number for Steve Johnson at
> Dixieland Rovers?  My number for him doesn't seem to be working.
>
> -P
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--
Winn Bearden          19XX SIIa/SIII/RR 100" Hybrid
P.O. Box 464          1967 NADA 109" SW (in pieces)
Americus, GA 31709    1996 4.0 SE

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Message: 6
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:47:16 -0700
Subject: [lro] Vincent Black Shadow (was Was that you...)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:58:26 -0700
From: Dick Love <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Was that you?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I was taking my Black Shadow out for my Sunday cruise and Guinness.

I have only seen one Vincent Black Shadow in my life, at a small hotel in 
the Yorkshire Dales.  The owners pulled it on a trailer behind their car, and 
this was how they took their holidays.  They would go to a little hotel in an 
area they wanted to explore, and then do their exploring on the Vincent every 
day.  He took me out to the car park to see it on its trailer.  I know virtually 
nothing about the motorcycle, but after seeing one in the flesh it has become 
my all time favorite motorcycle.  I'd love to have one, but with all the other things 
I've got going on now I'd never have the time to use it, let alone get a motorcycle 
license here in Washington.  But I envy you your Vincent- they're beautiful machines.  
At least to look at.  I have no idea how much trouble they are to keep running, nor do 
I have a clue how they compare riding-wise with other motorcycles.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:56:52 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Vincent Black Shadow (was Was that you...)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I only saw his bike from across the intersection, but it looked nice!  This past Sunday
was a great day for soft tops and motorcycles.

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:58:26 -0700
> From: Dick Love <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
> Subject: [lro] Was that you?
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
>
> >I was taking my Black Shadow out for my Sunday cruise and Guinness.
>
> I have only seen one Vincent Black Shadow in my life, at a small hotel in
> the Yorkshire Dales.  The owners pulled it on a trailer behind their car, and
> this was how they took their holidays.  They would go to a little hotel in an
> area they wanted to explore, and then do their exploring on the Vincent every
> day.  He took me out to the car park to see it on its trailer.  I know virtually
> nothing about the motorcycle, but after seeing one in the flesh it has become
> my all time favorite motorcycle.  I'd love to have one, but with all the other things
> I've got going on now I'd never have the time to use it, let alone get a motorcycle
> license here in Washington.  But I envy you your Vincent- they're beautiful machines.
> At least to look at.  I have no idea how much trouble they are to keep running, nor do
> I have a clue how they compare riding-wise with other motorcycles.
> ___________________________
> C. Marin Faure
>   (original owner)
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>   Seattle
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Message: 8
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:26:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
From: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It over crushes the crush collar.  That would pull the pinion out of mesh
with the ring gear.  I'm guessing that you have a Salisbury axle.  You
could check gear mesh by pulling the back cover, cleaning the teeth with
brake cleaner then painting the teeth with "layout blue" (Dykem being the
big name), then turn the pinion.  After one turn of the ring gear look at
the area where the pinion has worn the "blue " away.  Any text on diff
rebuilds should have pictures or diagrams of what and where the contact
area should be.  Contact patterns are pretty much generic,  what works
for a Honda passport also works for a ALFA alfetta and everything I have
ever set up.

Chris hall
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:47:41 +0200 Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thor=E9n?=
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> Yes Mike, I have, sound gone.
> 
> I was reading the green bible yesterday. There they describe how to 
> tighten 
> the "flange nut" (?..behind the rear prop). Behind the nut there is 
> a 
> collapsible bushing. If the nut is tightened to hard this bush has 
> to be 
> renewed. Does anyone know what will happen if this nut is tightened 
> to 
> hard? Reason for asking is that PO had changed all axle seals just 
> before I 
> bought the truck and he might just as well have overdone it. Could 
> this 
> cause howling?
> 
> Thanks for all the response,
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> At 20:38 2001-08-03 +0100, Mike Rogers wrote:
> 
> >But have you driven it up the road with the rear prop removed as I
> >suggested?
> >
> >Mike Rogers
> >Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
> >LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn)
> >(if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)
> >
> >
> >Dear list,
> >
> >Some days ago I posted the following mail to the uk-lro list. I got 
> some
> >really nice responses but now I feel ideas are running out. I hope 
> someone
> >in this list might be able to help me. In addition to what is 
> written below
> >(suggestions from Alasdair Worsley) I have also tested to put 
> High-Low
> >stick in neutral and run the gearbox in 4th gear. This generates no 
> sounds.
> >I also tested to take away the rear prop shaft and run the gearbox 
> in 4th
> >gear with some resistance applied to it from the handbrake, again 
> no sound.
> >Could someone please enlighten me about this mystery?
> >
> >Sorry for the crosspost,
> >
> >Peter
> >
> > >Ever since I bought my 109 (1975 2.25 diesel) back in early 1998 
> it has
> > >made a howling/whining sound that I always thought came from the 
> gearbox
> > >or the transfer case. I have made numerous attempts to find out 
> the cause
> > >including pulling the gearbox three times changing all bearings, 
> bushings
> > >and checking gears etc. I can say that the gearboxes are as new 
> and I am
> > >pretty convinced they must be ok. The car also has a high ratio 
> transfer
> > >case (Ashcrofts) so I have been in contact with Ian and David and 
> they
> > >told me that it had happened that when drilling the transfer case 
> body in
> > >order to move the intermediate shaft it has happened that the box 
> starts
> > >to whine due to slight misalignment of the new hole. They sent me 
> a new
> > >case and I have moved all parts over but still I get the same 
> sound. The
> > >car behaves like this:
> > >
> > >The howling is most likely there all the time but it get evident 
> at higher
> > >speed and especially when changing gear to 4th. The sound is 
> increasing in
> > >strength with speed of car and starts to get really high at 
> approximately
> > >70 km/h and at 90 km/h (when I manage to get there...) it is 
> really loud
> > >and your ears get really tired after some time (swmbo uses 
> earprotection).
> > >Sound is completely gone when pressing the clutch and immediately 
> comes
> > >back when releasing it. When breaking using the engine  it goes 
> away for a
> > >second or two and then comes back.
> > >
> > >I really need some input on this one. Nothing that I have been 
> doing has
> > >changed the sound in any way. Oils are new and levels are ok. I 
> have tried
> > >synthetic oil, STP additive but with no success. Also the rear 
> diff has
> > >Red line synthetic oil but made no difference. I cant believe 
> this amount
> > >of sound would be considered normal and I am running out of 
> ideas. Could
> > >someone pleas help?
> > >
> > >Peter
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >PhD, Senior Research Scientist
> >Head of R&D section
> >National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
> >Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
> >P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
> >Sweden
> >Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
> >Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
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> National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
> Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
> P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
> Sweden
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