Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #50 - 62 msgs

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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:24:04 -0400 (EDT)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Sliding side window replacement. (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   2. Re: Resurecting Red Zit (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   3. RE: Resurecting Red Zit (Easton Trevor A)
   4. Re: Sliding side window replacement. (Rob MacCormick)
   5. Coiler axles (Bill Adams)
   6. Re: Sliding side window replacement. (Rob MacCormick)
   7. Re: Coiler axles (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   8. RE: Roverfest pictures (Matt Peckham)
   9. RE: Roverfest pictures (Martin Rothman)
  10. RE: Roverfest pictures (Matt Peckham)
  11. SII Drive Train ([email-masked])
  12. Kodiak heater hoses... (Jeff Bieler)
  13. Re: Coiler axles ([email-masked])
  14. RE: Roverfest pictures ([email-masked])
  15. Re: Howling 109 SIII (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thor=E9n?=)
  16. Re: Kodiak heater hoses... (John Karlsson)
  17. SIII Clutch hydraulics (Herman Stude)
  18. Re: Kodiak heater hoses... (Jeff Bieler)
  19. Re: SIII Clutch hydraulics (William J. Rice)
  20. Re: Axle straps (Faure, Marin)
  21. South Georgia Boys (Perrone Ford)
  22. Re: Powder coating wheels (Faure, Marin)
  23. Re: Re: Axle straps (Rob MacCormick)
  24. Axle straps (Easton Trevor A)
  25. Was that you? (Dick Love)
  26. achives and seat belts (Rob MacCormick)
  27. Re: achives and seat belts (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  28. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  29. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  30. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  31. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  32. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  33. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  34. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  35. New member to our Rover family ([email-masked])
  36. Re: Was that you? (Jeff Bieler)
  37. RE: New member to our Rover family (Matt Peckham)
  38. Behind the T case... (Garrick Olsen)
  39. Re: achives and seat belts (Rob MacCormick)
  40. pictures of LR events (Rich Williams II)
  41. Re: South Georgia Boys (RON WARD)
  42. Re: achives and seat belts (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  43. Re: achives and seat belts (Rob MacCormick)
  44. Re: South Georgia Boys (William J. Rice)
  45. Re: South Georgia Boys (Perrone Ford)
  46. Re: New member to our Rover family SORRY ([email-masked])
  47. Re: Handbrakes (Frank Elson)
  48. Compression what's GOOD, BAD or WORRISOME (aka UGLY) in a 2.25 ([email-masked])
  49. Re: Compression what's GOOD, BAD or WORRISOME (aka UGLY)
       in a 2.25 (Peter Ogilvie)
  50. Re: Axle straps (Peter Ogilvie)
  51. Help with Local LR Resources (Scott Lambert)
  52. Re: Help with Local LR Resources (Peter Ogilvie)
  53. RE: trans drum ebrake (Andre Shoumatoff)
  54. Re: Ujoints (Jerrod)
  55. Re: Help with Local LR Resources (Russ Wilson)
  56. 7:1 compression test (Jeff Bieler)
  57. Re: Help with Local LR Resources (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  58. Re: Axle straps (Jim Hall)
  59. Re: Help with Local LR Resources (Peter Ogilvie)
  60. Re: Help with Local LR Resources (Jim Hall)
  61. Re: Help with Local LR Resources (Jim Hall)

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Message: 1
Subject: Re: [lro] Sliding side window replacement.
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:33:48 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Replacing the window is a pretty easy job - the window track needs to be
unscrewed (the screws are down embedded in the felt), the top track
removed, the new glass inserted and the screws done back up.

Were I you I'd think about replacing the window tracks in the doortop at
the same time - they're usually worn out.

A glass shop with a clue should be able to do this, but it's an easy fix
for the owner too....

                              ajr

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Message: 2
Subject: Re: [lro] Resurecting Red Zit
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:11:06 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Niall, I've run halogens on Mr. C and Miss Jessica for years with no
problems on the headlamp switch. The relay is a good idea, though, if
simply for the lack of voltage drop (brighter lights and less current
draw).

When you say the switch is burning out - which section?

                    ajr

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Message: 3
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Resurecting Red Zit
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:57:21 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I had a similar problem with the switch on Miss G. It turns out that it's
not burning out but wearing out. I dismantled the switch and with a little
juggling of components and a minute spot of JB Weld (actually it was some
other variety but similar stuff) was able to fix it.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:03:10 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Sliding side window replacement.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I bought track for the rearward most windows and thought I'd see how it
went.....I'm in less of a hurry to get that done than I am eager to get the
brakes working properly, the exhaust fixed, the propshaft spun...and heck
why not throw in a MA inspection?

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Replacing the window is a pretty easy job - the window track needs to be
> unscrewed (the screws are down embedded in the felt), the top track
> removed, the new glass inserted and the screws done back up.
>
> Were I you I'd think about replacing the window tracks in the doortop at
> the same time - they're usually worn out.
>
> A glass shop with a clue should be able to do this, but it's an easy fix
> for the owner too....
>
>                               ajr
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:06:37 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Coiler axles
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Is there any difference between the Range Rover axles, the Discovery
axles and the Defender axles, other than the late rangie has air
springs? Just curious as I'm thinking of putting these under the 109,
after installing spring perches, of course. Is one a better fit than
another?
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:12:53 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Sliding side window replacement.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Oops...nimble fingers.....sputtering brain....I too am in the window track
replacement circle....My windows aren't broken yet but with the amount of
effort it takes to open and close them, they may break ......"MA inspection" is
an annual requirement associated with Massachusetts and safety and fee
collection (or is it fee collection and safety?)

Rob MacCormick wrote:

> I bought track for the rearward most windows and thought I'd see how it
> went.....I'm in less of a hurry to get that done than I am eager to get the
> brakes working properly, the exhaust fixed, the propshaft spun...and heck
> why not throw in a MA inspection?
>
> Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
>
> > Replacing the window is a pretty easy job - the window track needs to be
> > unscrewed (the screws are down embedded in the felt), the top track
> > removed, the new glass inserted and the screws done back up.
> >
> > Were I you I'd think about replacing the window tracks in the doortop at
> > the same time - they're usually worn out.
> >
> > A glass shop with a clue should be able to do this, but it's an easy fix
> > for the owner too....
> >
> >                               ajr
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Message: 7
Subject: Re: [lro] Coiler axles
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:25:59 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill, it's a pity you're not closer - I have a pair of Range Rover axles
I'd love to get out of my damned way....

Near as I know they're all preytty-well the same until the early 90s (92-93
comes to mind) then they went 24-spline.

                         ajr

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Message: 8
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Roverfest pictures
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:11:30 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I had an almost identical experience a month ago at a Hope Center event.
Except sort of in the reverse order...

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Danger [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:12 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Roverfest pictures

Ok, I ran out of gas going there, broke my rear axel up there and ended up 
driving home (at 45) using on the front wheels. And know what? Id do it all 
again next weekend. Well maybe not NEXT weekend, I still need some sleep. 
Zzzzzz.....

Some images -

http://www.hackermonkey.com/roverfest/

To everyone I met, Hi! Thanks for all the incredible help I got, and I had 
one hell of a time. 

-Nick
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Message: 9
From: "Martin Rothman" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Roverfest pictures
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:51:11 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How was the attendance at Roverfest this year?  Looking at your pics, it 
seems to have been down from last year when close to 200 rovers showed up.

Great pictures Nick.

Regards,

Martin Rothman

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Danger [mailto:[email-masked]]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:12 AM
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: [lro] Roverfest pictures
>
>
>
>Ok, I ran out of gas going there, broke my rear axel up there and ended up
>driving home (at 45) using on the front wheels. And know what? Id do it all
>again next weekend. Well maybe not NEXT weekend, I still need some sleep.
>Zzzzzz.....
>
>Some images -
>
>
>http://www.hackermonkey.com/roverfest/
>
>To everyone I met, Hi! Thanks for all the incredible help I got, and I had
>one hell of a time.
>
>-Nick

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Message: 10
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Roverfest pictures
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:52:14 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

last year it was about 250.  I was going to say it looks like less than half
that this year.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Rothman [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:51 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Roverfest pictures

How was the attendance at Roverfest this year?  Looking at your pics, it 
seems to have been down from last year when close to 200 rovers showed up.

Great pictures Nick.

Regards,

Martin Rothman

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Danger [mailto:[email-masked]]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:12 AM
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: [lro] Roverfest pictures
>
>
>
>Ok, I ran out of gas going there, broke my rear axel up there and ended up
>driving home (at 45) using on the front wheels. And know what? Id do it all
>again next weekend. Well maybe not NEXT weekend, I still need some sleep.
>Zzzzzz.....
>
>Some images -
>
>
>http://www.hackermonkey.com/roverfest/
>
>To everyone I met, Hi! Thanks for all the incredible help I got, and I had
>one hell of a time.
>
>-Nick

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Message: 11
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:20:33 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] SII Drive Train
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sandy,
    The change in wheelbase was to accomidate the 2.0 L diesel, not the 2.25. 
 The 2.25L diesel did not come out until until 1961 with the introduction of 
the SIIA.  The 2.0L diesel was fitted to all SI and SII diesels.
-Regards
-Ike Goss

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:40:48 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: Series Rovers <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Kodiak heater hoses...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Updating as much of the perishables as I can find on the engine these
days and have moved on to heater hoses.  The hoses appear to be 5/8"
inner and 1" outer diameter, but I have been unable to find any
information to confirm this.  Anyone out there know if I'm correct off
hand?

Thanks,

Jeff

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Message: 13
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:55:25 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Coiler axles
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/14/01 6:10:14 AM, [email-masked] writes:

<< Is there any difference between the Range Rover axles, the Discovery
axles and the Defender axles, other than the late rangie has air
springs >>

Bill
    The ABS models are slightly different in the flange area.

Bill
GBR

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Message: 14
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Roverfest pictures
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:49:52 -0400 (EDT)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoting Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>:

> 
> Why did you drive home at 45mph?

Because anything over 45 made for a nasty humming sound from my front drive
shaft. And I really didnt want to break that as it was my only means of
propulsion. Checking the GPS I really averaged (according to it) 50 over the
drive so I guess I wasnt going as slow as I thought. 

So, this afternoon is new axles and sometime next week when I have more cash I
'll replace the front drive shaft. It was a bit wobbly, and probably a good idea
to replace it.

-Nick

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:47:41 +0200
To: [email-masked], <[email-masked]>
From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thor=E9n?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Yes Mike, I have, sound gone.

I was reading the green bible yesterday. There they describe how to tighten 
the "flange nut" (?..behind the rear prop). Behind the nut there is a 
collapsible bushing. If the nut is tightened to hard this bush has to be 
renewed. Does anyone know what will happen if this nut is tightened to 
hard? Reason for asking is that PO had changed all axle seals just before I 
bought the truck and he might just as well have overdone it. Could this 
cause howling?

Thanks for all the response,

Peter

At 20:38 2001-08-03 +0100, Mike Rogers wrote:

>But have you driven it up the road with the rear prop removed as I
>suggested?
>
>Mike Rogers
>Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
>LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn)
>(if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)
>
>
>Dear list,
>
>Some days ago I posted the following mail to the uk-lro list. I got some
>really nice responses but now I feel ideas are running out. I hope someone
>in this list might be able to help me. In addition to what is written below
>(suggestions from Alasdair Worsley) I have also tested to put High-Low
>stick in neutral and run the gearbox in 4th gear. This generates no sounds.
>I also tested to take away the rear prop shaft and run the gearbox in 4th
>gear with some resistance applied to it from the handbrake, again no sound.
>Could someone please enlighten me about this mystery?
>
>Sorry for the crosspost,
>
>Peter
>
> >Ever since I bought my 109 (1975 2.25 diesel) back in early 1998 it has
> >made a howling/whining sound that I always thought came from the gearbox
> >or the transfer case. I have made numerous attempts to find out the cause
> >including pulling the gearbox three times changing all bearings, bushings
> >and checking gears etc. I can say that the gearboxes are as new and I am
> >pretty convinced they must be ok. The car also has a high ratio transfer
> >case (Ashcrofts) so I have been in contact with Ian and David and they
> >told me that it had happened that when drilling the transfer case body in
> >order to move the intermediate shaft it has happened that the box starts
> >to whine due to slight misalignment of the new hole. They sent me a new
> >case and I have moved all parts over but still I get the same sound. The
> >car behaves like this:
> >
> >The howling is most likely there all the time but it get evident at higher
> >speed and especially when changing gear to 4th. The sound is increasing in
> >strength with speed of car and starts to get really high at approximately
> >70 km/h and at 90 km/h (when I manage to get there...) it is really loud
> >and your ears get really tired after some time (swmbo uses earprotection).
> >Sound is completely gone when pressing the clutch and immediately comes
> >back when releasing it. When breaking using the engine  it goes away for a
> >second or two and then comes back.
> >
> >I really need some input on this one. Nothing that I have been doing has
> >changed the sound in any way. Oils are new and levels are ok. I have tried
> >synthetic oil, STP additive but with no success. Also the rear diff has
> >Red line synthetic oil but made no difference. I cant believe this amount
> >of sound would be considered normal and I am running out of ideas. Could
> >someone pleas help?
> >
> >Peter
>
>
>
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>---------------------
>Dr. Peter Thorin
>PhD, Senior Research Scientist
>Head of R&D section
>National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
>Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
>P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
>Sweden
>Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
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Head of R&D section
National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:34:09 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: John Karlsson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Kodiak heater hoses...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff,

I have always just used the standard 5/8" hose from the local auto parts 
store.  Of course, maybe in southern California they don't know what heater 
hose is.  ;^}

John

At 10:40 AM 8/14/01, you wrote:

>Updating as much of the perishables as I can find on the engine these
>days and have moved on to heater hoses.  The hoses appear to be 5/8"
>inner and 1" outer diameter, but I have been unable to find any
>information to confirm this.  Anyone out there know if I'm correct off
>hand?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
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John Karlsson
956 Main Street
P.O. Box 1023
Hope Valley, RI  02832

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Message: 17
From: "Herman Stude" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:38:04 -0500
Subject: [lro] SIII Clutch hydraulics
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm looking for any specific info on replacing the clutch slave and master
of my SIII.  I replaced the slave over the weekend only to find that the
master was bad too.  I clamped on the flex line and got almost no pedal
pressure.  I have a new master and flex line on the way.  I have removed the
master (the wing is off now too, LHD), loosened the flex line, what do I
need to do?  I have a Green Bible and will set all tolerances to match the
book.

Funny thing is that the truck drove well, I just had to top off clutch fluid
often and was getting tired of worrying about spilling Girling/Castrol GTLMA
fluid on fresh paint.

Thanks for any input!

Herman Stude
1973 SIII 88
Topless in Texas

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:42:51 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Kodiak heater hoses...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I was pretty sure it was 5/8" when I pulled off a top hose to measure it, but
I wanted a 2nd opinion before I ran out, bought the hose, got home, and
started taking things off and realizing I had bought the wrong stuff....

It will also be a good time to flush out the heater core a bit as well.

In LA it will probably be available on special order only.  ;-)

Thanks.

Jeff

John Karlsson wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I have always just used the standard 5/8" hose from the local auto parts
> store.  Of course, maybe in southern California they don't know what heater
> hose is.  ;^}
>
> John
>
> At 10:40 AM 8/14/01, you wrote:
>
> >Updating as much of the perishables as I can find on the engine these
> >days and have moved on to heater hoses.  The hoses appear to be 5/8"
> >inner and 1" outer diameter, but I have been unable to find any
> >information to confirm this.  Anyone out there know if I'm correct off
> >hand?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jeff
> >_______________________________________________
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>
> John Karlsson
> 956 Main Street
> P.O. Box 1023
> Hope Valley, RI  02832
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Message: 19
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:56:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] SIII Clutch hydraulics
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Herman,
You might want to order the steel clutch line now too, if it's not too
late to do so, since if it's the original line there's a good chance
you'll destroy it disconnecting it from the master.  Don't ask how I know
. . .

But the procedure's pretty straightforward for a sIII--undo the steel
line to master connection, loosen up the bolts holding the pedal tower to
the bulkhead (I just happen to think this is easiest--but it may not be
necessary at all), pull tower, r and r the master, reinstall tower,
connect steel line to master, replace flex line (you have to connect it
to the slave first so you can spin it into the slave and then tighten it
w/ a wrench before spinning the steel line nut around the other end of
it), fill reservoir w/ LMA, bleed system by reaching your bleeder wrench
through the little hole in the bulkhead (I'm assuming that the SIII slave
is similar to the SIIA slave, tho' I may be completely wrong and in fact
think I am--I have SIII master w/ older slave).  More or less, that's it.

Process pretty easy, tho'--no need to bench bleed or do any kind of
magical incantations or anything w/ the SIII stuff.

bill

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:38:04 -0500 "Herman Stude" <[email-masked]>
writes:
> 
> I'm looking for any specific info on replacing the clutch slave and 
> master
> of my SIII

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Message: 20
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:19:22 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Axle straps
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In a message dated 8/11/01 10:31:27 AM, [email-masked] writes:

<< What is the common thought about the need for axle straps? I left them off
after installing the Salisbury rear axle, seems to give us a bit more
articulation.  Jim, CT >>

The straps are there to prevent the axle from dropping down low enough to 
allow the driveshaft to pull apart at its splined joint.  If you are running stiffer 
springs than stock, like the 109 rear springs I run on my 88, the springs themselves 
may not have the flexibility to let the axle sag to the point where the driveshaft 
pulls apart, so the straps may not ever be needed.  If the straps are the correct 
length, they should allow full articulation up to the point where the driveline is in 
danger of separating, at least with stock springs.  I have no idea 
of the spring rates of aftermarket springs as I have always run Land Rover-
supplied springs.  But in my experience, the straps don't do any harm and 
they have the potential to do a lot of good if you suddenly drop the back end 
into a ditch or something.  So I've always kept them installed on my SIII.  I 
have operated 4wd trucks in the past that had been fitted with home-made 
cables to keep the axles from dropping too low on the rough terrain we were 
driving on, so it's obviously a solution that was thought necessary by more people than 
just Land Rover.  The straps seem like a good idea to me, so I have always 
kept them on, and replaced them when they've gotten old and started 
to come apart.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:23:23 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] South Georgia Boys
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Any of you guys from S. Ga, got the new number for Steve Johnson at 
Dixieland Rovers?  My number for him doesn't seem to be working.

-P

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Message: 22
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:28:30 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: Powder coating wheels
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 04:58:51 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Powder coating wheels
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Apparently I missed a thread about powder-coating wheels, what
is the verdict?

I posed the same question a few months ago, and virtually every reply 
I got recommended against powder coating wheels (sorry....).  The reasons 
all made sense to me- powder coating will chip under impact, and once it does, 
moisture can get underneath and the coating starts breaking down very quickly.  
All the replies I got were in two camps, both of which said don't powder coat wheels.  
One camp said sandblast the wheels, prime them with anti-rust paint, and then paint 
them with regular automotive paint.  The other camp said sandblast the wheels and 
then have them galvanized.  I don't like the look of galvanized wheels on a Land Rover, 
so when I get around to it, I'm going to have the wheels on my SIII sandblasted, primed, 
and painted Limestone (or an approximate equivalent).  But powder coating seems to 
be universally not recommended for a 4wd vehicle that's going to actually see use off 
the pavement.  It does look very nice, but apparently it's brittle nature makes it unsuitable 
for anything that's going to get whacked by rocks, bushes, etc.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:36:14 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Axle straps
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I took one end of each strap off to facilitate an axle removal......Mine will go back on
partly becasue it will be easier for me to redo (with antiseize) 4 bolts than to undo 4
bolts.....as for function.....They'll be there if the need ever arises.....

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Message: 24
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:44:00 -0400
Subject: [lro] Axle straps
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have axle straps fitted (Used old contractor safety arrest belts) that are
slightly longer than the originals but stop the axle before full extension
of the dampers. 
I also believe that a strap mounted at the centre of the axle would do the
job just as well, catching the axle if it drops into a sudden hole,  but not
affecting articulation. The drive shaft protection would come from the strap
and articulation stops would be the dampers at full extension. Drops happen
suddenly articulation is usually more gentle.

I often wonder why there are no straps for the front. Is it because the
greatest hazard to dampers and prop shaft is from the entire axle dropping
into a hole when the rear crossmember is hung up on the edge of the hole?
This is less likely to happen to the front as it really could only happen in
reverse if you backed into a deep hole and kept on going!!!

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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:58:26 -0700
From: Dick Love <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Was that you?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That was me with the older black cycle and the black and white helmet. I was
taking my Black Shadow out for my Sunday cruise and Guinness. Very nice
Landie. I have an ex-MOD (lhd) Series IIa in quasi-storage that I hope to
have looking like yours some day.

Dick Love
'67 Series IIa '88
'95 Disco (wife's)
'50 Vincent Black Shadow
'60's Triton
'66 BSA Victor
'72 Morgan 4/4 4pass (also wife's)
Lots of oil spots!

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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:04:38 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] achives and seat belts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Where do I/how do I access archives if there are any? I'm scratching my
chin about updating my driver/passenger seatbelts and would like to do
it in a cost effective manner.......I currently have lap/shoulder belts.
I don't want airbags but would like retractable or whatever they're
called types of shoulder belts...Is it my imagination or are junk yards/
breakers starting to not sell safety type stuff from wrecks????

Rob M
Concord, MA USA

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Message: 27
Subject: Re: [lro] achives and seat belts
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:11:38 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rob, seatbelts from a J**P fit...and most of the wrecks I've seen have
unused belts....

Seriously, though, check with me Thursday and maybe you and I will go
junkin' for parts...8*)

                         ajr

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:14:51 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:14:58 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:15:00 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:15:06 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:15:09 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:15:08 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:15:04 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:15:04 EDT
From: [email-masked]
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7

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Message: 36
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:18:56 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: Dick Love <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: Was that you?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The bike looked nice, but I am woefully ignorant of motorcycles so I didn't
know what I was looking at.  Just that I liked it.

The condition of the truck is solely due to the PO's work.  The only things I
have done to date are under the bonnet.

Jeff

Dick Love wrote:

> That was me with the older black cycle and the black and white helmet. I was
> taking my Black Shadow out for my Sunday cruise and Guinness. Very nice
> Landie. I have an ex-MOD (lhd) Series IIa in quasi-storage that I hope to
> have looking like yours some day.
>
> Dick Love
> '67 Series IIa '88
> '95 Disco (wife's)
> '50 Vincent Black Shadow
> '60's Triton
> '66 BSA Victor
> '72 Morgan 4/4 4pass (also wife's)
> Lots of oil spots!

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Message: 37
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] New member to our Rover family
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:16:37 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

wow, how'd you get that many new vehicles?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:15 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] New member to our Rover family

Well i just took delivery of a 96 disco se7 seems to be in good runnig order
and looking forward to some rover fun anyone having any input please feel
fre to tell me

Thanks
Dave Walls
1965 IIa88
1996 disco se7
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Message: 38
From: "Garrick Olsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:20:04 -0500
Subject: [lro] Behind the T case...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I lost use of the hand brake and got permission from my wife to work on
it.  This in exchange for digging a pond in the back yard instead of
going to the Minnesota Land Rovers annual weekend camping trip- next
year...Oil gushed out of the brake when I removed the rear prop!  (should
have drained the T case first. It was a big mess in the hand brake drum-
no shoes left on oily rivets and all blackened with oil. The actuators
were held in with faith and the castle nut snug as my baggy pants.  I
tore out the leather and inner metal of the rear seal of the t-case and
am now chewing away at the outside metal retainer ring with the
Vice-Grips.  Is there a better way to get this out? I am scratching the
T-case casing with the demolition of the metal ring.  Fear- that the ring
was supposed to stay there...  I thought I'd install that rubber boot
over the drive shaft while the prop is down.  The two halves will only
slip so far and then they stop.  I have the collar off.  Is there
somthing else to remove/ loosen? Bigger hammer?   -Rik1960 SWB SWSeries
IIin Minnesota 

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Message: 39
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:22:44 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] achives and seat belts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well I was trying to keep the car all original....HAHAHAHA....Sounds like
a plan. 5:30 ish OK on Thurs?

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Rob, seatbelts from a J**P fit...and most of the wrecks I've seen have
> unused belts....
>
> Seriously, though, check with me Thursday and maybe you and I will go
> junkin' for parts...8*)
>
>                          ajr
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> [email-masked]
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Message: 40
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] pictures of LR events
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:38:57 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

This is to Lori, Nick, and the rest of you who insist on sharing your
glorious Rover fun with stories and links to photos that are sent out on
this list.

KNOCK IT OFF!

Okay, I'm only kidding.  I have truly enjoyed seeing what everyone is doing
out there with their old Rovers.  It's just that I've got a three-car garage
2/3rds full of rover parts and pieces that once resembled a Series II 109
station wagon.  I'm having fun with the resurrection of the old beast but I
really wish I had one to drive for a change.  And when I am done and back on
the road I'm going to have a hard time deciding where to go and what to do.
Between the OVLR Birthday Party, Rover Fest, and many other things to do,
places to go and people to meet, next summer is going to be busy - I can
just see SWMBO rolling her eyes now.

All in good time I guess.

And everyone - I really was just kidding so keep the images and the stories
coming - they do great service as a source of motivation and inspiration
while I'm up to my elbows in 90wt.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 9:12 PM
Subject: [lro] Roverfest pictures

Ok, I ran out of gas going there, broke my rear axel up there and ended up
driving home (at 45) using on the front wheels. And know what? Id do it all
again next weekend. Well maybe not NEXT weekend, I still need some sleep.
Zzzzzz.....

Some images -

http://www.hackermonkey.com/roverfest/

To everyone I met, Hi! Thanks for all the incredible help I got, and I had
one hell of a time.

-Nick
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Message: 41
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:49:03 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] South Georgia Boys
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Last number I got is 912-386-8498

>>> [email-masked] 08/14/01 12:23PM >>>

Any of you guys from S. Ga, got the new number for Steve Johnson at 
Dixieland Rovers?  My number for him doesn't seem to be working.

-P
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Message: 42
Subject: Re: [lro] achives and seat belts
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:56:07 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

5:30 is it - and if you want to talk about a Dormie convsion with a
Salisbury diff and a Chevy engine as original I'm going to barf in your
engine compartment....8*)

          ajr

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Message: 43
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:06:10 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] achives and seat belts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Actually come to think of it.,......It looks as though someone DID barf in
there.....After eating an enormous meal of BBQ'd frayed wires, zip ties,
grease, oil, hydraulic fluid, and grit.....

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> 5:30 is it - and if you want to talk about a Dormie convsion with a
> Salisbury diff and a Chevy engine as original I'm going to barf in your
> engine compartment....8*)
>
>           ajr
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Message: 44
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:46:36 -0600
Subject: Re: [lro] South Georgia Boys
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Perrone,
I'm not from S. GA anymore, but I reckon his number's still 912-386-8498.

bill

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:23:23 -0400 Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
writes:
> 
> Any of you guys from S. Ga, got the new number for Steve Johnson at 
> 
> Dixieland Rovers?  My number for him doesn't seem to be working.
> 
> -P
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> [email-masked]
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Message: 45
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:30:53 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] South Georgia Boys
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nope,

   The number didn't work...  That's why I posted asking for a new number.

-P

RON WARD wrote:

> Last number I got is 912-386-8498

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Message: 46
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:09:48 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] New member to our Rover family SORRY
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

SORRY

Dave

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Message: 47
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Handbrakes
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:24:36 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

that's a joke right Bill? I just don't believe it could have been you but if
it was it's even funnier!
Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:02 AM
Subject: [lro] Handbrakes

>
> Frank writes --
> several years ago I returned to the Range Rover I had then and found that
> aTriumph Herald had blocked me in by parking right up to the front -
> there was a tree behind  So I eased forward in first low to 'nudge' him a
> little, just to get the space.
>  It was 2am and nothing else on the road (the centre of Liverpool) and I
> had to sit and watch this vehicle take off, nice and slowly and describe
> a pleasant curve to rest up against the opposite pavement (sidewalk-US)
> about fifty yards away!
>
>   So after all these years I find that my wife was telling the truth
> about our Triumph............  Where's my lawyer!
>
> Regards
>
>   Bill Leacock.
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Message: 48
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:03:31 EDT
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Compression what's GOOD, BAD or WORRISOME (aka UGLY) in a 2.25
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've received conflicting information on what is 'expectable' compression for 
a daily driver two and a quarter engine.

>From the front (grill) back she measures,

109

109 

115

123

The engine is supposed to have around 70 K on her, if the previous owners' 
numbers were correct.

The compression (and not knowing the condition bottom end of the engine) 
along with a main shaft oil leak (out the wading plug hole) has my thinking 
of the engine swap . .

Any insight as to expectable compression numbers for a used engine or advice 
would be great.

Thanks

Scott Just
Rochester, MI.

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Message: 49
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Compression what's GOOD, BAD or WORRISOME (aka UGLY)
  in a 2.25
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:19:48 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If it is a screw in type of compression tester, your readings are a tad low. 
  A push-on rubber seal type will normally read low and your in the ball 
park.  Think the factory specs are 145 or above.  I've never gotten close to 
that with my gauge, even with a fresh engine.  More important is that the 
cylinders are within 10% or less of each other.  A valve going bad will 
normally do so in a very short period of time.  I'd monitor the pressure on 
a weekly basis and see if there is any significant change in the short term. 
  If pressure is steady, you've probably got no problems though may not be 
getting optimal performance.

Another check would be to put in a couple table spoons of oil ine each of 
the cylinders and see if the pressure goes up.  If it does, your rings or 
cylinder bores are going south.  These can take a while to become a serious 
problem so it gives you time to plan the rebuild.  Unfortunately, its costly 
because it typically involves a rebore and new pistons.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: [email-masked]
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: [lro] Compression what's GOOD, BAD or WORRISOME (aka UGLY) in a 
>2.25
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:03:31 EDT
>
>
>I've received conflicting information on what is 'expectable' compression 
>for
>a daily driver two and a quarter engine.
>
>From the front (grill) back she measures,
>
>109
>
>109
>
>115
>
>123
>
>The engine is supposed to have around 70 K on her, if the previous owners'
>numbers were correct.
>
>The compression (and not knowing the condition bottom end of the engine)
>along with a main shaft oil leak (out the wading plug hole) has my thinking
>of the engine swap . .
>
>Any insight as to expectable compression numbers for a used engine or 
>advice
>would be great.
>
>Thanks
>
>Scott Just
>Rochester, MI.
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Message: 50
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Axle straps
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:34:06 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A strap in the center might work but your going to have to reinforce the 
heck out of the mount for the strap.  Probably would rip right through the 
bed.

Probably the reason that the front axle has no strap is that the short front 
springs limit articulation to the point it's not a problem.

Those that mentioned roll over protection from the straps are joking, 
RIGHT???  If you high side a rock, the down side wheel could be prevented 
from full extension by the strap, increasing the lean angle.  Exactly the 
opposite of increasing side load stability.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: [lro] Axle straps
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:44:00 -0400
>
>
>I have axle straps fitted (Used old contractor safety arrest belts) that 
>are
>slightly longer than the originals but stop the axle before full extension
>of the dampers.
>I also believe that a strap mounted at the centre of the axle would do the
>job just as well, catching the axle if it drops into a sudden hole,  but 
>not
>affecting articulation. The drive shaft protection would come from the 
>strap
>and articulation stops would be the dampers at full extension. Drops happen
>suddenly articulation is usually more gentle.
>
>I often wonder why there are no straps for the front. Is it because the
>greatest hazard to dampers and prop shaft is from the entire axle dropping
>into a hole when the rear crossmember is hung up on the edge of the hole?
>This is less likely to happen to the front as it really could only happen 
>in
>reverse if you backed into a deep hole and kept on going!!!
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Message: 51
From: "Scott Lambert" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:32:16 -0400
Subject: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just moved to southern Maine and promptly blew the rear ring and pinion on
my '66 109.  I called East Coast Rover but they can't even look at it until
the end of the month.  If anybody has any recommendations as to where I
might get this problem sorted a little quicker I would appreciate the input.
Cheers,
Scott Lambert

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Message: 52
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:29:12 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Someone in Colorado has been trying to off a couple of series diff's for 
several months.  Think asking price was around $250.  Try RN 'for sale' 
board a few weeks back.  Think you'll find it there.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Scott Lambert" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>I just moved to southern Maine and promptly blew the rear ring and pinion 
>on
>my '66 109.  I called East Coast Rover but they can't even look at it until
>the end of the month.  If anybody has any recommendations as to where I
>might get this problem sorted a little quicker I would appreciate the 
>input.
>Cheers,
>Scott Lambert

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Message: 53
From: "Andre Shoumatoff" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:56:40 -0400
Subject: [lro] RE: trans drum ebrake
Reply-To: [email-masked]

C. Marin Faure wrote:
> I assume the reason Toyota also used a driveline handbrake on some, if not
all
> models of the Land Cruiser was because it is so effective.

If I remember correctly Toyota went to the rear axle ebrake in '79.  I think
both have merits except that the transmission drum does require more
adjustment more often and is more prone to slippage (as is certainly the
case in my 74 Land Cruiser).  I never had a problem with any of the ebrakes
on all three of the axle type ebrakes that were on later model Cruisers I
owned.  But then again I learned how to work on disk brakes first and am
just starting to become familiar with drums & shoes.

Andre

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Message: 54
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:09:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerrod <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Ujoints
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just to add, they are agricultural joints (commonly)
and in Georgia they were 24.99 at NAPA (Rover
friendly)
Peace,
Jerrod
89RR
--- [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Napa # 369
> 
> $8.99 at any store
> 
> scott just
> rochester, mi.
> 
> > 
> > I have the 2 15/16 ujoint - does anyone happen to
> have the NAPA number for
> > the ujoint with grease fitting?
> > 
> > I used to have the # and checked the archives but
> could not find it.
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > [email-masked]
> > end of message
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Message: 55
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:52:57 -0700
From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 03:29 PM, Peter Ogilvie wrote:

>
> Someone in Colorado has been trying to off a couple of series diff's 
> for several months.  Think asking price was around $250.

At that price they will most likely be for sale for several more months.

Russ Wilson

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Message: 56
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:01:45 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] 7:1 compression test
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Finally got around to testing engine compression (still fiddling with
the carb which I think is running OK now, but I've got to track down a
vacuum leak...).

Anyway, there was a page that showed what to look for in compression.
After getting the engine up to operating temp and pulling the plugs, I
got the following readings from a screw in gauge:

Cylinder        Reading
1                    110PSI
2                    110PSI
3                    108PSI
4                    109PSI

I know it's good news that they are very close which is nice.  I'm just
wondering how low this is over all.  Being that it's still the original
7:1 head, I know I'll be lower then most folk.

Thanks!

Jeff

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Message: 57
Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:24:54 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sure - get a stock Rover diff and just replace the silly thing. A used diff
is available from any number of places, and the removal and refitting are
trivial - a few hours, no more.

               ajr

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Message: 58
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:52:53 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Axle straps
Reply-To: [email-masked]

After rearching my rear springs and extending the length of the mounts
and shackles, my u-joint angle was too much with both back springs fully
extended (with longer shocks of course;) ) So after much grinding on the 
driveshaft and yokes to increase the angle I could be at, I put a 
"strap" on the center of the diff. I started with a nylon strap but
had to go to vinyl coated cable. I welded pieces of 3 x 1 1/2 x 3/16
steel onto the ends of a piece of 1 1/2 square tube 3/16 wall. This just
fits between the frame rails and bolts through the flat steel with the
top shock mounting bolts. Works great so far. I have 18" of rear wheel
travel. I wish I had measured before the change to see what I gained.
Anybody have some stock measurements???

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> A strap in the center might work but your going to have to reinforce the
> heck out of the mount for the strap.  Probably would rip right through the
> bed.
> 

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 59
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:07:41 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tried having a diff rebuilt or buy a new one???  Think they are a few 
dollars more than $250.  May be better deals out there but don't do you much 
good if you have a need and can't find them.

Since we're talking over priced, check this 'cheap at half the price' 109.  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594317822&r=0&t=0

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:52:57 -0700
>
>
>On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 03:29 PM, Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>
>>
>>Someone in Colorado has been trying to off a couple of series diff's
>>for several months.  Think asking price was around $250.
>
>At that price they will most likely be for sale for several more months.
>
>Russ Wilson
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Message: 60
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:21:09 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ok, what is the muffler doing under the hood? Maybe they are trying to 
kill the buyer off with exhaust before they discover they have been had?

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> Tried having a diff rebuilt or buy a new one???  Think they are a few
> dollars more than $250.  May be better deals out there but don't do you much
> good if you have a need and can't find them.
> 
> Since we're talking over priced, check this 'cheap at half the price' 109.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594317822&r=0&t=0
> 
> Aloha
> Peter Ogilvie
> Kona Coffee Rover
> 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
>      from exposure of the dark side.
> 1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
> 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
> 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
>      certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust
> 
> >From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
> >Reply-To: [email-masked]
> >To: [email-masked]
> >Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
> >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:52:57 -0700
> >
> >
> >On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 03:29 PM, Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Someone in Colorado has been trying to off a couple of series diff's
> >>for several months.  Think asking price was around $250.
> >
> >At that price they will most likely be for sale for several more months.
> >
> >Russ Wilson
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Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 61
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:23:37 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Help with Local LR Resources
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Guess I didn't read far enough, it must be the block heater.

Jim Hall wrote:
> 
> Ok, what is the muffler doing under the hood? Maybe they are trying to
> kill the buyer off with exhaust before they discover they have been had?

-- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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